[Vnbiz] how to make oversea VNese students to return ?

Thu Nov 29 12:28:34 PST 2007

Dear CACC
     The US Committee has about 580 students here in the US from Vietnam. 
The reason many do not return is exactly the reason you gave. We provide 
the opportunity for students from Vietnam  to take the TOEFL examination 
which we administer twice/year in Hanoi,Hue and HCMC. They are charged 
30,000 dong-$2.00.Almost all of the students which we facilitate to US 
Universities
have returned to Vietnam with a Masters degree or Ph.D. We have only 5-6 
from our program that did not return. The ones  still here have stayed for 
the following reasons:
   1) the salaries in Vietnam are too low
    2) Most have children and find it hard for them to return after going 
to elementary and/or secondary school in the US
    3) The few who are here would return if the International schools in 
Vietnam tuition is somewhat lower
     4) When they are in touch with their professors in Vietnam,they are 
advised not to return at this time by their Professors in Vietnam although 
I strongly urge them to return. Most of our students work in the US for one 
year after completing their degreeon a OPT- then return
     5. Most of the people they would work for have less training than them 
so the working conditions and atmosphere are not conducive to their return 
and jeolousy prevails
      6.Many say they are not given the opportunity to use what they have 
learned because they are told in Vietnam to teach by memorization-not 
problem solving and told what they have to teach by the senior members of 
the school or University
      7. The situation in libraries is not good- cannot enter or take books 
out. The libraries close at 4pm
      8. The research opportunities are not good-little opportunity in the 
Universities-they have to go to a research Institute
      9. The people in Vietnam are told that the overseas Vietnamese wish 
to be treated like Kings and their counterparts in Vietnam have had to 
suffer great difficulty over the past years and resent the way Viet Khieu 
wish to be treated
         If you feel the need and have time,please respond
   Best wishes
  Dr. Judith L. Ladinsky
   USCFSCWVN


At 07:08 AM 11/29/2007, you wrote:
>[ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>Dear CACC,
>
>Putting aside personal desire to contribute to Vietnam, I would cite these 
>criterias to be of importance to the possibility of me coming back:
>
>1. Interesting job: a job that allows me to apply what I have learned abroad.
>
>2. Opportunities for career advancement and personal development.
>
>3. Money: It has always been an issue, especially when we have to pay off 
>expensive college loans or return our parents initial investment.
>
>As far as I am aware of, many students who study abroad are "trying their 
>best" to come back to Vietnam considering their financial situation and 
>career prospect.  However, it seems like they have to work on their own 
>without any active initiatives from either the government or the companies 
>in Vietnam. While foreign companies come directly to campuses to recruit 
>with premium offers, there seems to be lip-service and nothing more in the 
>prospect of coming back to Vietnam. Therefore, in order to invite more 
>students to return, there need to be some kind of formal program or 
>concrete promise attractive enough to outweigh the offers abroad.
>
>Best,
>
>Dieu Nguyen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Nov 29, 2007 4:12 AM, Chuck Searcy 
><<mailto:chucksearcy at yahoo.com>chucksearcy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>[ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>>
>>
>>Nga oi and CACC,
>>
>>I would be interested to know which "recent survey" you mention and their 
>>sources and methodology.  The findings may be accurate; however, last 
>>time I checked with the U.S. Consulate (several years ago) the non-return 
>>rate for all Vietnamese (not just students) was about 25 percent, roughly 
>>the same as the average for all international visitors to the U.S.
>>
>>It may be that students do stay longer, indefinitely or even permanently, 
>>for the reasons you cite below.   If so, that's a loss for Vietnam and a 
>>misapplication of the intent and funding basis for most scholarships and 
>>studies abroad programs.
>>
>>I have Vietnamese friends who have studied abroad, and their original 
>>academic program stretched into a graduate program, then sometimes a 
>>post-graduate degree, usually because they were exceptional achievers and 
>>many opportunities opened up for them.  However, most of the ones I know 
>>have come back, after longer stays than they had planned, but they are 
>>back now and happy to be home in Vietnam facing opportunities that did 
>>not exist a few years ago.
>>
>>However, I have another friend who got an advanced medical degree in the 
>>U.S., and intended to return to Vietnam upon completion of the 
>>program.  But he got a good job in the meantime, and his son and daughter 
>>wanted to finish high school with their American friends, and now the 
>>daughter is entering university, and suddenly a two- or three-year 
>>program has turned into 10 years.  That was not the original plan, and he 
>>really wants to come back to Vietnam, but the family and the economic 
>>dynamics are now very different.  The younger boy's Vietnamese language 
>>ability has suffered, but he speaks English like an American 
>>teenager.  My friend hopes he and his family will return to Vietnam, but 
>>he will have to make that decision for himself.
>>
>>I would be interested in whatever information you can gather on this 
>>subject.  Vietnamese students at one time had little opportunity to study 
>>abroad; now the doors are wide open, and the chance to make a significant 
>>contribution to the country's development abound for those who return -- 
>>but some choose to stay away and make a new home for themselves 
>>elsewhere.  My guess is they will regret it in the long run . . . but 
>>that's a personal decision made up of many layers and dimensions.
>>
>>Chuck Searcy
>>
>>
>>Pham Nga <<mailto:ngapham2k at yahoo.co.uk>ngapham2k at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>[ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>>>
>>>Dear CACC,
>>>
>>>I plan to have a special issue on this topic - how to make oversea 
>>>Vietnamese students to return?. As according to a recent survey, around 
>>>80% Vietnamese students are staying on abroad after their studies! I 
>>>donÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â't want to mean about the brain drain whose impact on the 
>>>country, but the willingness of our students -  whether they return to 
>>>Vietnam at all after their overseas studies?
>>>
>>>I want to raise this topic to have your sharing since the willingness of 
>>>our students is still a question mark at this point. I have collected 
>>>some answers as follow:
>>>
>>>-           I will return to VN, but donÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â't set a concrete date or 
>>>year. I believe it will be someday ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â

>>>-          I would prefer to work in VN, but I cant ignore the lucrative 
>>>options available here ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â

>>>-          Will I find a suitable job in VN with high pay?
>>>-           I donÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â't have any relationships at governmental 
>>>offices, how to get a job there? And once I get in there, will I have a 
>>>chance to do the appropriate things or just making tea? Etc
>>>
>>>Could CACC give some more sharing? Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>Have a great day to all,
>>>
>>>Nga Pham
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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