[Vnbiz] Staying to be a Leader -- the Champion of Values

[Tran Dinh Hoanh]

Dear Brother Thien & CACC,

If we watch animal groups, they have their own law and orders, and many of
them are similar to human rules, such as parents taking care of children and
defending the children, children loving parents, each animal holding a
specific job in a group, united against common enemies, taking care of the
old and the weak, etc.  So obviously there are social rules even before
[human] social consciousness develops.  And these rules are not man-made.
We can call them natural law or whatever, but certainly they are not
man-made.

But of course, we human develop our societies and our values to a much more
complex level through socilization and learning.

Have a great day!

Hoanh


On 5/10/07, Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
>  Dear CACC
>
> From the question: Values, are we born with them?
>
> In 20th century, psychologists gave cases of children, who lived with
> animals in forests and had no chance to meet human society. Those children
> could not have human social values. Psychologists concluded that value was
> not from natural but socialized.
>
> Some sociologist say values are somethings that your society expect from
> you and also somthing that you try to reach in performing your social role.
> IE. there is a young lady. Her parent and her family members expect that she
> would marry good man. The values of that good man in the mind of her family
> are handsom, good education, good job, good personality and etc. What
> happens when she loves an old and poor man, who is older than her over 30
> years? What happens when she loves someone, who is less than her 12 years?
> her family members never expect for those.
>
> Besides the expectation from others, values is what you try to reach.
> Sometime value is your painful trial. Back to the story of the young lady
> above, when she loves someone that her family members don't expect for the
> love values. If she thinks love is her personal choice, personal freedom,
> she respects the values of love, she must overcome her family barrier to
> reach to that value.But if she thinks the value of her birth family is the
> highest, she must painfully follow her family and deny the unexpecting love.
> it's not her sacrify for the value but only her choice.
>
> for my oppinion, I accept values are from socialization and from learning.
> You learn values in class and in interaction to people. I.E. in a room
> without the sign of "no smoking", no one smoke at the room. You see the fact
> then you don't want to smoke here even you are desired for smoking now. But
> 30 years ago, when smoking was allowed everywhere, you would not pay
> attention for if any smoke or not. You would smoke whenever you like.
> Smoking at right place is value of today personality.Why is it up today
> but not in 30 or 50 years ago? Because today people expect you to perform
> the value and because you want to keep the value.
>
> Values are born in socializing process and social developing process.
> Values help stabilize society. No value will link to no human society.
>
> Do value come from God? or any supernatural powers? I have no idea on the
> issue. I disagree the idea of conserving traditional values without any
> assessments. I.E. nhan, le, nghia, tri, tin, some say they are very good.
> But other say no, they aren't quite good. Some say Confucius standards may
> bring better living quality. Some disagree. They argue that bad leaders use
> the unmeasurable standards of Confucius for their dominant. Relativist view
> say life is constituted on many opposite sides. It's really a big confuse
> for us to take a choice especially in value conflicts.
>
> In aesthetic view, they define what is good and what is beauty. Good is
> something support physical life. beauty is something enhance and promote
> spiritual life. Picture with only blood and death body cannot be beautiful.
> It may be beautiful when the author shows out living creature is trying to
> rise up through out the death. In daily living, it's hard to seperate which
> is good and which is beauty. The 2 things mix together in our activities.
> When you give food to someone, the activity supports their life and it
> raises your heart up too. For my experience, I always use the 2 values as
> basic values to judge other values in order to take options. Yes, it's not
> easy to take decision in conflicts of value.
>
> Karl Mannheim said their was no rule for every time, every body, every
> case. I'd like his idea. Many generations have tried to find a rule that's
> no matter of time, of culture, of place of everything else. but they fail.
> Therefore Mannheim went to his conclusion of no rule for everything.
> Scientificly, I may say that it seems the 2 value of aesthetic are my base.
> I use the verb "seem" because I am not sure that I always obey my rule.
>
> Bestg wishes,
>
>
> Tran Ba Thien
> tranbathien at gmail.com
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://mail.saigon.com/pipermail/vnbiz/attachments/20070510/36a97814/attachment.html