[Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay

Tue Jun 5 15:44:19 PDT 2007

Dear anh Hoanh,
Perhaps you've not seen any evidence of harassment for providing frank, 
honest, even stinging feedback because matters that are discussed here on 
VnBiz haven't been done so in a manner that is frank, honest or stinging 
enough.  In my view, many of the activists recently jailed in Vietnam are 
also working to build a better Vietnam.  There are plenty of 
self-censorship here, if we are honest with ourselves.  Also, remember 
that those of us not living in Vietnam are not subject to the same 
treatment or harrasment simply because we aren't there.
I don't disagree with your peaceful approach.  But let's not sing 
ourselves a lullaby either!
Best,  HPP 

"Tran Dinh Hoanh" <tdhoanh at gmail.com> 
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Dear Brother Tuan & CACC,

Thanks for the note, brother Tuan.  We already have a forum.  VNBIZ is
a forum with 3 archives on the Net for the public to search.  The
benefit of having on single blog (or one single website) for an
important issue is that it will appear more prominent and therefore
keep the issue standing out more.

About providing feedback to the Vietnamese government, that is a
matter of attitude.  It is not what you say but how you say it, and
for what purpose.  In this family, we maintain a fundamental
philosophy that all Vietnamese are brothers and sisters and that
everyone's opinion and feedback are to build a nation of brothers and
sisters.  There are many hatred preachers around using politics to
preach hatred and division.  I am not fond of such activities.  Have
the right heart, and what comes out of the right heart will be right.
 I have not seeing any convincing evidence that you are harassed
simply by providing frank and honest feedback, even stingy feedback.
This forum itself is the concrete evidence of that.

Have a great day!

Hoanh

On 6/5/07, Tuan Nguyen <diespiter at yahoo.com> wrote:
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> 1. Do the people have an intrinsic right to have a say in issues
> affecting their lives?  Well, it depends on their government.  In the
> case of the U.S., yes - we have the right to petition the government
> (it's in our constitution) and it is exercised regularly.  I have no
> clue about VN's constitution, but anecdotal evidence suggests that in
> practice protests and expression of political differences are seldom
> tolerated.  The only protests that seem to be tolerated (and reported
> by the press) are labor protests directed at foreign firms.  So in
> short, the only "rights" the people have are those guaranteed in their
> covenants with their respective governments (generally the national
> constitutions) and how those convenants are actually enforced.
>
> 2. A forum format as opposed to a mailing list would be better suited
> to what you have described here.  Instead of multiple websites, you'll
> only need one to house the forum and people could post and reply to
> "topics" that'll keep all info together and coherent.  An example is
> one forum on development with a section devoted to Vietnam in
> particular:
>
> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=588
>
> And here's what they have to say about development at Nha Trang:
>
> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=376092
>
> Careful about providing "feedback" to the VN government though.  There
> have been a flurry of jailings lately, one for no less than translating
> a U.S. State Department's article on democracy.
>
> Tuan
>
> --
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC
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