[Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
Nhung
nhuung at gmail.com
Fri Jun 1 20:18:52 PDT 2007
Chao anh Thien va cac anh cac chi,
I've been really enjoying the discussion in silent because I don’t have much knowledge & experience to say. Anh Thien, thanks for your moving chronicle... and thank you all for eye-open opinions. I would like to add my 2 essay photos in this discussion... the 1st one is the seaface of Hon Tam where the water's so clear that u can see coral meters underneath, the 2nd one is a floating garbage lot in Thuy Cung Tri Nguyen, Nha Trang.
I think, what we are trying to preserve, is a clean & beautiful Vietnam in general, Nha Trang particularly for our own selves, for our own generation and the next, before mentioning about any foreign tourists. Is that the messy & destroyed world is what you would save for your own kids?
I've noticed that Vietnamese people are really ignorant about environmental issues - but that will make us lost and run slow in the long way to develop. That will even hurt us in near future if we keep on ignoring. Do not forget that the globe is getting warmer- and whichever country adopt better to it will survive.
-nhung
NGUYEN HONG NHUNG
VIR - Time Out
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Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 8:02 AM
To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net
Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
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Dear CACC,
Toi vua di du lich o Nha Trang tu ngay chu nhat 27 den thu nam 31/5/2007 ve.
Toi da di tham cac diem du lich nhu Hon Ngoc Viet Vin Pearl bang cap treo,
tham cac dao trong vinh Nha Trang bang thuyen du lich, tham doc Let v.v...
va v.v...
Toi di vao luc ma moi noi o hi thuyen dung lai o hon Mun, khu sinh thai bien
duy nhat tai Vietnam, khach du lich duoc mac ao phao va nhay xuong bien ngam
san ho. Mot anh ban di chung tau sau khi leo tro ve thuyen da hoi ha chup
cac thang canh tren vung vinh nay. Anh noi:
-Chang biet vai nam toi khi tro lai NT, nguoi ta da huy diet cai thien nhien
nay den muc nao roi?
Noi xong vai cau, anh nem cai lon nuoc ngot xuong bien khien nguoi huong dan
vien du lich tren thuyen phai hot hoang la lon:
Xin qui khach dung xa rac xuong vung bien nay. Chung ta dung tai pham cai
sai lam cua cha ong khi ....
Mot anh nhan vien tren thuyen lay vot de vot cai lon nuoc ngot kia truoc khi
no kip chim xung day bien ben nhung rang san ho dep huyen ao kia.
den Doc Let tam trong mot sang nuoc bien em nhu mot cai ho lon. Nhung nguoi
dang tam o day vua vui dua vua voi va ngam
nhin cai thien nhien long lay vi e rang vai nam nua, no se chang con. Dong
thoi, ho cung phai ngamng
nhin mat bien de tranh tam nhung noi dang noi leu beu nhung boc nylon dung
rac va nhung mon can ba con sot lai cua nganh ky nghe khong khoi bui nhung
day rac thai nay.
Dung la giua phat trien kinh te va bao ve moi truong thien nhien luon luon
co nhung buoc di nguoc chieu nhau. Toi thay trong cai lo lang cua nhung
nguoi dan NT va nhung nguoi khach du lich den NT co cai lo lon nhat la hay
giu lai nguyen trang cai hinh thu, dang voc cua nhung ngon nui, hay giu lai
nguyen trang cai mau xanh thuc vat tren cac trien nui, giu lai nhung rang
san ho nhung bay ca du mau sac so boi loi quanh do... HO yeu cau rat nhieu
va hau nhu khong ai nghi den cau hoi rang:
-Ai se la nguoi co nhiem vu bao ve cai thien nhien xinh dep ay?
Hau het deu nghi rang chinh phu la nguoi co trach nhiem. Sau chinh phu thi
la nguoi khac, nhung nguoi nao do khong phai la toi xin vui long dung xa rac
dung lam o nhiem moi truong. co ve nhu cai y tuong bao ve thien nhien va bao
ve moi truong dang duoc hieu nhu mot cai roi chi de danh nguoi khac ma khong
danh chinh minh. Nguoi ta phan doi viec tan pha thien nhien va huy hoai moi
truong cua nguoi khac mot cach het suc khat khe nhung lai tha thu va khoan
dung cho hanh vi cua minh mot cach rat la "nhan tu". Anh ban cua toi sau khi
hoi mac co vi cai lon bia nem xuong nuoc quay sang toi bao chua:
-Nay gio tim mai chang thay cai gio rac tren tau de o cho nao nen minh vo y
danh roi xuong nuoc.
Co le, ban to chuc du lich cua chiec thuyen nay cung noi:
-Minh ban ron cham soc khach hang nen sang nay vo y quen mang cai gio rac
len thuyen...
Toi sinh ra o NT nhung suot cuoc doi song tai Saigon. Toi yeu NT vo cung va
cung cam thay dau long neu NT bi tan pha boi ban tay cua con nguoi. Ro rang
khong phai la NT sap bi huy diet nhung NT dang bi huy diet mot cach vo to
chuc. Sap toi day nguoi ta se huy diet no mot cach co to chuc hon. Nguoi
ngoai cuoc nhu toi se cam thay ganh ty vi minh hong duoc tham du vao tro huy
diet nay. biet dau, phai biet dau, neu toi cung co mot phan hun kha lon
torng mot cai cong ty nao do se cat ngang cai dinh nui cua dao Hon Tre va
dung len do mot khu vui choi nhu Vin Pearl, hay xay mot cai thap Ba giong
nguoi Chiem Thanh da lam hoi the ky thu 8 sau CN, hoac nhu nguoi phap cat
phang mot ngon doi giua long thanh pho de dung len nha tho Nui Nha Trang nam
1930... Nhung cai do the he cua toi da quen nhin va cam thay hai long roi tu
cho rang phai co Thap Ba, Nha Tho Nui, tuong Phat Thich Ca thi moi la Nha
Trang. Nhung neu cat Hon Tre hay duc vao cac vach nui da chung quanh NT va
khac len do nhung buc chan dung cac lanh tu nhu Quang Trung, Le Loi, Ho Chi
Minh thi dong nghia voi tan pha Nha Trang? Biet dau va biet dau 100 nam toi,
the he sau se cho rang phai co cac buc tuong nu the, phai cat ngan cai chop
nui cua Hon Tre nhu the thi moi la Nha Trang?
Toi nho cai hom o New York gap mot co gai nguoi Alaska. Chi nay khoe voi toi
rang chi la nguoi Eskimo va torng nhom bao ton van hoa Eskimo. Chi ke rang
thanh nien Eskimo ngay nay song song voi viec hoc tai cac truong high
schools, ho cung duoc hoc cach danh bat ca, cach xay nha tuyet igloo v.v...
Toi hoi chi ay rang vay chi con noi duoc tieng Eskimo khong? chi lac dau.
Toi roi Nha Trang vao sang thu nam 31/5 ma long cu phan van mai voi cau hoi
rang roi mai NT cua toi se ra sao day? Toi den Mui Ne-Phan Thiet o choi them
1 dem nua roi moi quay ve Sg. Chieu hom ay, chung toi den truot cat tai cac
ngon doi cat do ma nguoi ta goi la Doi Hong. Nhung dua be dia phuong om nhom
om nhach tay cam cac tam van truoc cat bu den doan chung toi moi thue van.
Toi leo den dinh doi cat va tim cach hoi tham cac em.
-Chau co di hoc khong? toi hoi
-KHong, mot dua dap
-Vay lam sao biet chu duoc? toi hoi
-Da me chau day cho chau, no dap
-Nha chau co may anh em? toi ho
-Da co 5 nguoi chet mot nguoi con 4. 2 chi cua chau dang lam viec o Sg. Ba
chau chi biet di nhau suot ngay. Thinh thoang ong moi ve rua cho me chau may
cai chen. Con me chau thi ban sang di ban nuoc sam tren Doi Hong nay.
Khi co may nguoi khach du lich khac cung vua leo len dinh doi cho chung toi
dang ngoi nghi met. Ho tray a gia thue tam van truot cat voi cac em.
-500 thoi, may dua duoi chan doi noi chi 500 thoi chu lam gi 1000 nhu tui
bay noi?
Trong cai dem truoc ngay 1/6 Ngay quoc te thieu nhi, co mot doan tre con
dang phai lao dong kiem song cho cha chung lay tien di danh so de, di uong
ruou. Trong cai dem trang tron vang vac cua le Phat Dan, khi Duc Thich Ca
con la cau be thai tu Tat Dat Da, cac em phai bo hoc phai lang thang. Toi
dua cho chung to giay 100,000 cho ca nhom chia nhau. Co mot dua mung qua den
cam on toi bao rang sang toi gio no chua kiem duoc dong nao het. Nhung ngon
doi cao ngat ngheu nay, chung toi, nhung ke thua com thua tien leo len de
tieu bot nang luong de vui choi. Chi can leo len mot lan la muon het ca hoi
de tho. The ma cac chau phai leo len leo xuong moi ngay hang tram lan mong
kiem duoc vai ngan. Toi khong cho cac em 100,000 nhung da xin cac em hay cho
toi duoc boi thuong. Cac em da hy sinh niem vui va tuong lai cua minh de
nhung ke tra du, tuu hau chung toi co duoc mot dem trang trong vui ve voi
con cai, voi ban be voi gia dinh.
Gap cac em xong, toi cu tuong rang minh se noi voi chinh phu rang phai nhanh
chong phat trien kinh te de nhung dua be nay khong con phai di kiem song
trong dem Quoc Te Thieu Nhi va Le mung sinh nhat Phat Thich ca.. Toi chi
tuong tuong nhu the ma thoi. Su that cau tra loi van con o xa lam cac ban
ah...
men
Tran Ba Thien
tranbathien at gmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shane Wall" <shane.wall at translingualexpress.com>
To: <vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
>[ Vietnam Business Forum ]
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> Hi Craig and CACC,
> I am very interested in your last idea Craig. "Pockets" of tourism
> showcasing different aspects of life, but being in relatively close
> proximity to each other. Is an excellent idea. This is essentially what
> we did with my Mom and Aunty (64 &54 y.o. respectively).
>
> We didn't do much in HCMC, just used it as a "base" for our trips. We
> did a homestay in a village Northwest of Tay Ninh town, a real rural
> experience, went to Black Lady Mountain (rarely visited by foreigners),
> did some shopping in the market, in addition to the normal tourist Cu
> Chi tunnels-Cao Dai Holy See tours. They loved it.
>
> We did similar things in Hue, Hoi An and Vinh Long - visited the major
> attractions, but went 'deeper' into the life of each place by visiting
> nearby places that are not "on the tourist trail". The reception we
> found in every place was simply staggering. In the shadows of these
> major tourist destinations, we found exactly the "pockets" you talk
> about Craig. We wanted to see the 'real' Hue, Hoi An, etc., and we found
> it. Obviously the 'normal, day-to-day' life of these places will not be
> of interest to everyone, but it certainly was to my Mom and Aunty.
>
> Indeed, the success of that trip, and similar ones I've done with other
> family & friends in the past, has prompted us to consider setting up a
> more formal arrangement catering to this "niche market" rather than the
> mass tourism we see most of.
>
> Just my 2,000VND worth.
>
> Shane
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> Mr. Shane Wall
> Principal,
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> Trans Lingual Express
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> Vietnam
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> Craig Stevenson wrote:
>> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
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>> Dear CACC,
>> Dyung Le, I really can't agree with your perspective more (in some
>> respects).
>> To me hawkers are part of the experience. Some of my best friends in
>> the places I have lived and traveled have been these hawkers. They,
>> are the salt of the earth, and should be much admired for doing what
>> it takes to make a living with the lot that they have been given. As
>> to some making only 15,000 a day, that would be surprising if that
>> low. Some I knew made well more than that. But I digress, I guess the
>> point is that for those who are real tourists, they want the
>> experience without being pestered. They haven't learned how to deal
>> with hawkers as it may be impolite to ignore a person who is talking
>> to them. Hawkers work you until they understand who you are, whether
>> you know how to deal with them, whether you will hold your ground or
>> give just to stop them and have them move on their way.
>> As to hawkers, any person who has spent time traveling in developing
>> nations should be aware of hawkers. Hawkers won't drive away the types
>> of individuals who travel to developing nations. Hawkers are part of
>> the process, part of the experience, par for the course. Of course,
>> for the cruise ship crowd, hawkers need to be severly restrained.
>> Cruise Ship tourists are catered to, want relaxation, don't want to
>> see anything, but something pretty. THey are not here to see countries
>> and peoples, to taste the food and notice the cultural nuances, they
>> are spectators in luxury boxes at a sporting event. So on the streets
>> of Hanoi or HCMC hawkers are fine, on the beaches that cruise ships
>> let passengers off on for a three hour swim and sun they should be
>> limited.
>> When in a country I always notice how locals deal with street-sellers
>> and then try to respond more politely with equal firmness. Tourists
>> venturing into cities like HCMC need to learn how to deal with it or
>> they should just go on a cruise.
>> On tourist and tourist sites I believe Vietnam has many challenges.
>> The country is long and narrow. The distances between sites can be
>> far. Cities like HCMC are often intimidating to a tourist. It is big,
>> busy, filled with commerce, buzzing. There are few large parks,
>> limited greenery, and lotsa concrete and asphalt. Exciting for
>> youthful travelers, less exciting for the elderly or older toursists.
>> It would seem wise to effectively develop tourist venues in pockets.
>> Pockets of short distances. Sites that make the best use of local
>> flora, local flavors, local culture, music and dance. Effectively
>> creating sites close in proximity to each other, that capture things
>> different than can be seen elsewhere in a relaxing environment might
>> work to capture and encourage people to return.
>> Just my two cents,
>> Craig
>>
>> On 5/30/07, *Dyung Le* <dyungle at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:dyungle at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>>
>>
>> Dear CCCA,
>>
>> I don't think aggressive hawking is a characteristics only of BN.
>> I remember
>> being in Puerto Rico, visiting some historial sites. The layout
>> was a narrow
>> pathways in between 2 rows of stalls. The hawking was extremely
>> aggressive,
>> quasi intimidating. It left quite a bad taste in my mouth
>> regarding my
>> experience in Puerto Rico.
>>
>> Re the example given, I think people will hawk what they have to
>> hawk. If
>> they have sunglass, they'll try to sell sun glass. They don't have
>> other
>> stuff to sell so what can they do.
>>
>> I do remember visiting some ancient temples in China. When we
>> arrived the
>> sky was clear. When we left, it was raining. I was amazed that the
>> bus stop
>> litterally is sprouting with vendors of umbrella and raincoat.
>> Those guys
>> made a killing!
>>
>> I do aggree some tourism planning is needed. But I'm not sure how.
>> Sometimes
>> I do get bothered by agressive hawking, but then I realized that
>> lots of
>> these people make only 15,000 dong a day working 12-14 hours. So I
>> stopped
>> feeling so annoyed.
>>
>> Dyung Le
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----Original Message Follows----
>> From: Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov <mailto:Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov>
>> Reply-To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net <mailto:vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
>> To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net <mailto:vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
>> CC: vnbiz at vietlinks.net <mailto:vnbiz at vietlinks.net>,
>> vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com <mailto:vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
>> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:57:40 -0400
>>
>> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
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>>
>> Hi Shane,
>> As it is with international trade -- which tourism is a part where
>> the
>> customers actually come to you -- Vietnam is on a learning curve
>> without
>> much appropriate help from the authorities. In earlier days,
>> Vietnamese
>> trade delegations would bring to America samples of products that
>> are not
>> marketable here. That doesn't happen much anymore.
>> The local hawkers do not intend to pester the tourists. They just
>> don't
>> realize/understand the negative consequence of their hard work. The
>> authorities' approach to hawkers appear to be binary; they are either
>> banned altogether or allowed unfettered access to the tourists.
>> Central
>> or local authorities can really help by educating the hawkers to
>> provide
>> more of what is needed and wanted by the tourists and less of
>> pestering.
>> The example with your relatives' experience is a good case in
>> point, and
>> it's not unique. But they don't have a channel to give feed back to
>> tourism authorities that are in a position to effect improvement.
>> Whether
>> they will actually do it is a different issue. A training session
>> on how
>> not to bother tourists and a suggested list of goods to sell,
>> including
>> sunscreen (though most tourists likely have their own) would be
>> simple
>> things the authorities can do that can help both the local hawkers to
>> provide the appropriate services and the tourists to enjoy their
>> experience.
>> I hear that Hoi An did a good job in planning a tourism policy.
>> Others
>> may benefit from their best practices.
>> I remember the hawkers at Angkor Wat who always stopped once you've
>> entered the perimeter of a ruin. I appreciated the cold soda they
>> offered
>> me in the middle of a hot, sun drenched field and thought how I
>> would have
>> gladly paid more for it.
>> Best, HPP
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Shane Wall < shane.wall at translingualexpress.com
>> <mailto:shane.wall at translingualexpress.com>>
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>> 05/29/2007 06:00 PM
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>> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
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>> Dear CACC,
>> The bay in Nha Trang may be beautiful, and worthy of World Heritage
>> listing ( I don't believe it is currently listed. Can anybody show
>> me a
>> verifiable source that lists Vinh Nha Trang on the World Heritage
>> list?
>> I challenge you all!), but that is not the point.
>>
>> The underlying point is this: How much of Vietnam's unique cultural
>> and physical attractions should be 'adulterated' or 'changed' to
>> cater
>> for foreign tourists?
>>
>> My initial thinking is NONE! Leave the attractions alone, but get
>> much, much better at making the SERVICES which operate in and around
>> those attractions more attractive to repeat visitors. We all know
>> that
>> lots of foreigners love to come to Vietnam. However, very, very few
>> of
>> them come back for a second or third visit. Why?
>>
>> According to my Mom and Aunty, who visited in April (Sai Gon, Tay
>> Ninh, Hue, Da Nang, Hoi An, Pleiku, Vung Tau, Vinh Long - we got
>> around
>> a bit), they could not stand people pestering them at every turn.
>> One of
>> their overwhelming feelings and emotions about their Vietnam visit is
>> that: "Vietnamese people just want to sell you s**t that you don't
>> want
>> or need. Why don't they understand that if I am wearing sunglasses, I
>> don't need another pair. Why would he physically stop me and try
>> to sell
>> me something I obviously do not need?"
>>
>> My feeble answer was "He's just trying to make a buck." My Mom wisely
>> replied, "Well he would be much more successful if he tried to sell
>> me
>> something I need. Can't he see my skin is as red as a b****y lobster?
>> I'd buy some soothing sun-screen lotion from him, but another pair of
>> sunglasses? Forget. What a loser!" - On the beach at Vung Tau.
>>
>> Sadly, what foreign tourists WANT for a repeat visit is not what they
>> get in Vietnam yet. That is why they go back to Thailand, Malaysia,
>> Singapore, the Philippines, etc. many times, but seem to visit
>> Vietnam
>> only once.
>>
>> My 1000VND worth!
>>
>> Shane
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Mr. Shane Wall
>> Principal,
>>
>> Trans Lingual Express
>> 120/14 Mai Thi Luu St,
>> P. Dakao, Q.1, HCMC,
>> Vietnam
>>
>> Mail: shane.wall at translingualexpress.com
>> <mailto:shane.wall at translingualexpress.com>
>> Web: www.translingualexpress.com <http://www.translingualexpress.com>
>>
>> Mbl: +84 (090) 9484 753 (Anh) - Tel: +84 (8) 820 9143 (Viet)
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>> Mercedes Benz wrote:
>> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
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>> > Dear CACC,
>> >
>> > Both a. Duong and a. Thang are paritially correct (my opinion).
>> Ithink
>> > it s not Khanh Hoa's issue here.It is the complicated problem for
>> > VNese government. Everyone knows money can be made but Heritage,
>> > nature .. hardly can. The first thought came to me is Khanh Hoa is
>> > such a ridiculous guy. really angry in mind. Yes, but think deeply
>> > raised out a bad sign of governance.
>> > "Co thuc moi vuc duoc dao". Despite the campaign for Vietnamese
>> > tourism, I think it has not gained an achievement as we
>> expected. And
>> > Khanh Hoa has its own reason. However, does the decision of
>> Khanh Hoa
>> > province help much the poor or only the rich? Big question I think.
>> >
>> > Regarding the a. Hoanh 1st question: I think Khanh Hoa absolutely
>> do
>> > not have such right. And the government MUST have their own
>> decision
>> > for which they are fully responsible. If the can not deal it
>> > appropriately, that will be the bad practice for other provinces.
>> It
>> > will ruin our precious nature properties as well as culture and
>> > tradition. Money can be good excuse for all circumstances!
>> >
>> > Secondly, education, our education need boosting and reforming more
>> > and more. That is the key for our flourish and stable future.
>> >
>> > Finally, sorry to say that I do not know how we, VN citizens, can
>> > contribute to the sustainable development of our country.
>> >
>> > It is really interesting to hear your ideas a bout that.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > On 5/26/07, *Tran Dinh Hoanh* < tdhoanh at gmail.com
>> <mailto:tdhoanh at gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:tdhoanh at gmail.com <mailto:tdhoanh at gmail.com>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear CACC,
>> >
>> > Probably you have heard that Khanh Hoa authority was trying to do
>> > some tourist develoment in Nha Trang Bay but the Ministry of
>> > Culture and Information told it to stop because that would violate
>> > the World Heriatage rules, Nha Trang Bay being a World Heritage
>> > site. Then, the vice-chairman of Khanh Hoa's People's Committee
>> > was quoted as saying that Nha Trang should request that its name
>> > be withdrawn from the World Heritage list. (Previously, Khanh Hoa
>> > authorities had submitted a petition to have Vinh Nha Trang named
>> > as a World Heritage and that petition had been approved) (Please
>> > see VNEpxress article below).
>> >
>> > Here are some issues I would like to hear your opinion on:
>> >
>> > 1. Does Nha Trang has the right to withdraw itself from being a
>> > World Heritage site? What if the central government in Hanoi says
>> > that Nha Trang cannot withdraw? Does the central government has
>> > that right?
>> >
>> > 2. This guy in Nha Trang seems to think that environment
>> > preservation hurts development. Does that make sense?
>> > Please voice your opinion.
>> >
>> > Have a great day!
>> >
>> > Hoanh
>> > _________________
>> >
>> >
>> >
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