From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Fri Jun  1 11:26:04 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:26:04 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Documents & presentations for workshop on Legal Environment
	affecting Civil Society Organizations
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50706011126u65de1897l59ef69559f871916@mail.gmail.com>

Dear CACC,

The following link has very good documents.

Have a great day!

Hoanh

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From: eddy at ngocentre.org.vn <eddy at ngocentre.org.vn>
Date: May 31, 2007 11:14 PM
Subject: [ppwg] PPWG workshop documents & presentations
To: ppwg at ngocentre.org.vn


Hi all,

You can now find all the presentations and background documents from
the May 29 PPWG workshop - Overview on the Legal Environment affecting
Civil Society Organisations (CSOs) at the following link:
http://www.ngocentre.org.vn/default.asp?page=people_participation_working_group/ppwg_latest_meetings

Regards,


Eddy McCall
Communications Advisor
NGO Resource Centre


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From diespiter at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  1 15:14:51 2007
From: diespiter at yahoo.com (Tuan Nguyen)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:14:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
In-Reply-To: <97dd19d0705291112tf6be3f4wda663fe23fc50e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <909997.133.qm@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> Finally, sorry to say that I do not know how we, VN citizens, can
> contribute to the sustainable development of our country.
> It is really interesting to hear your ideas a bout that.

You already are, assuming that you are gainfully employed (whether
within a company or running your own).  I won't bore you with economic
theory and the "invisible hand" of the market
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_hand), which I'm sure you're
already aware of.  Suffice it to say, as long as people are permitted
to seek their self-interest without too much undue burden, VN should
continue on its current trajectory of economic progress.

What can be done to improve it?  Combat corruption, bureaucracy, and
contradictory regulations/laws and instead establish a clear rule of
law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law), i.e., no shady
under-the-table and arbitrary government actions.  In other words,
reduce the transaction costs and uncertainly of the business
environment in VN.  Only with a stable political and regulatory
framework will ecnomic progress be ensured.  VN's ascension to the WTO
is one step toward that, but only time will tell if it will keep the
promises it has made to obtain that membership.  If VN backtracks as it
did in the 90s, it can be sure to see the same exodus of foreign
investment as it saw back then.  "Once bitten, twice shy."  Twice
bitten, goodbye.

What can an individual VN citizen do?  I'm not sure if it's practical
(or safe) in VN, but from a U.S. perspective, I'd say join or form
business groups that lobby the government for an open and clear
business environment.  If it takes you two years to get some papers
stamped so you could run your business, chances are you won't be seeing
too much investment in your country.  Even worse if legally valid
contracts aren't enforced by the VN courts.  How can you do business if
basic international contract laws are not honored?  Transaction costs
like those act as substantial barriers to entry.

As for anh Hoanh's questions:

> 1.  Does Nha Trang has the right to withdraw itself from being a
World > Heritage site?

According to the UNESCO World Heritage List, Nha Trang is not a World
Heritage site, although VN does have 5 sites listed.  Info at:
http://whc.unesco.org/pg.cfm?cid=31

> What if the central government in Hanoi says that Nha Trang cannot
> withdraw?  Does the central government has that right?

This is a moot point given the above, but nevertheless this would
depend on how the VN constitution/law is structured.  I'd guess the
national government would have the final say in this issue though, as
UNESCO is an international body and national governments generally
trump local governments in international affairs.

> 2.  This guy in Nha Trang seems to think that environment
preservation
> hurts development.  Does that make sense? 

As my written Vietnamese skills are extremely limited I could not read
the article.  But, tension between environmental preservation and
development will always exist, not only in VN but in other countries,
including the U.S., as well.  The trick is to balance the two so as not
to harm either.  Whatever society (or whoever is in charge) currently
values will determine the winner of the day.  Over time it will change.
 A good example of that is the current strength of environmentalism
(the "green movement") after decades of dormancy (at least in the
developed world).

My prediction is that VN, like many other developing countries, cannot
afford environmentalism and will therefore choose to forgo it in favor
of economic development.  Over time this balance will shift as VN
becomes more affluent, but it is likely a long road.  

Tuan

--- Mercedes Benz <myhometheatre at gmail.com> wrote:

> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> 
> > Dear CACC,
> 
> Both a. Duong and a. Thang are paritially correct (my opinion).
> Ithink it s
> not Khanh Hoa's issue here.It is the complicated problem for VNese
> government. Everyone  knows money can be made but Heritage, nature ..
> hardly
> can. The first thought came to me is Khanh Hoa is such a ridiculous
> guy.
> really angry in mind. Yes, but think deeply raised out a bad sign of
> governance.
> "Co thuc moi vuc duoc dao". Despite the campaign for Vietnamese
> tourism, I
> think it has not gained an achievement as we expected. And Khanh Hoa
> has its
> own reason. However, does the decision of Khanh Hoa province help
> much the
> poor or only the rich? Big question I think.
> 
> Regarding the a. Hoanh 1st question: I think Khanh Hoa absolutely do
> not
> have such right. And the government MUST have their own decision for
> which
> they are fully responsible. If the can not deal it appropriately,
> that will
> be the bad practice for other provinces. It will ruin our precious
> nature
> properties as well as culture and tradition. Money can be good excuse
> for
> all circumstances!
> 
> Secondly, education, our education need boosting and reforming more
> and
> more. That is the key for our flourish and stable future.
> 
> Finally, sorry to say that I do not know how we, VN citizens, can
> contribute
> to the sustainable development of our country.
> 
> It is really interesting to hear your ideas a bout that.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> On 5/26/07, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> > Dear CACC,
> >
> > Probably you have heard that Khanh Hoa authority was trying to do
> some
> > tourist develoment in Nha Trang Bay but the Ministry of Culture and
> > Information told it to stop because that would violate the World
> Heriatage
> > rules, Nha Trang Bay being a World Heritage site.  Then, the
> vice-chairman
> > of Khanh Hoa's People's Committee was quoted as saying that Nha
> Trang should
> > request that its name be withdrawn from the World Heritage list.
> > (Previously, Khanh Hoa authorities had submitted a petition to have
> Vinh Nha
> > Trang named as a World Heritage and that petition had been
> approved) (Please
> > see VNEpxress article below).
> >
> > Here are some issues I would like to hear your opinion on:
> >
> > 1.  Does Nha Trang has the right to withdraw itself from being a
> World
> > Heritage site?  What if the central government in Hanoi says that
> Nha Trang
> > cannot withdraw?  Does the central government has that right?
> >
> > 2.  This guy in Nha Trang seems to think that environment
> preservation
> > hurts development.  Does that make sense?
> > Please voice your opinion.
> >
> > Have a great day!
> >
> > Hoanh
> > _________________
> >
> >
> >
> >     Th?????? b??????y, 26/5/2007, 10:59 GMT+7 [image: B??????n ?????????? in]
> <http:///> [image:
> > G??????i cho b??????n b????] <http:///>
> >
> > 'V??????nh Nha Trang kh????ng ph??????i t????i s??????n ri????ng c??????a Kh????nh
> H????a'
> >
> > Th?????? tr??????????ng B?????? V????n h????a Th????ng tin Tr??????n Chi??????n Th??????ng
> cho r??????ng, t??????nh Kh????nh H????a
> > kh????ng ph??????i m??????t v????????ng qu??????c, v???? v??????nh Nha Trang kh????ng
> ph??????i l???? t????i s??????n ri????ng c??????a
> > Kh????nh H????a. M???? h????nh kinh t?????? - x???? h??????i th????nh c????ng kh????ng
> bao gi?????? ch??????p nh??????n ph????t
> > tri??????n b??????ng m??????i gi????.
> > > 'V??????nh Nha Trang ??????nh h??????????ng ??????????n ph????t tri??????n c??????a
> Kh????nh
> H????a'<http://www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Xa-hoi/2007/05/3B9F66E7/>/
> > Xin r????t v??????nh Nha Trang kh??????i danh th??????ng qu??????c
> gia<http://www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Xa-hoi/2007/05/3B9F6633/>
> >
> > *- ????ng ngh???? g???? n??????u nh???? ??????????a ph????????ng ch?????? ??????????ng  xin
> r????t v??????nh Nha Trang kh??????i
> > danh th??????ng qu??????c gia? *
> >
> >    Th?????? tr??????????ng Tr??????n Chi??????n Th??????ng. ??????nh: *Tu??????i Tr??????.*-
> H?????? ???????? ?????????? ngh?????? ??????????????c c????ng
> > nh??????n th???? h?????? c?
??ng ho????n to????n c???? th?????? l????m h????nh ??????????ng
> ng??????????c l??????i. Ch?????? c???? ????i??????u t????i
> > xin n????i th??????ng: c???? l?????? ????????y l???? ngo??????i l?????? duy nh??????t tr????n
> th?????? gi??????i. C?????? th?????? gi??????i ??????????u
> > ra s??????c ph??????n ??????????u b??????o t??????n, tu b??????, g????n gi?????? v???? t????m
> m??????i c????ch v??????n ??????????ng ?????????? danh lam
> > th??????ng c??????nh, di s??????n c??????a m????nh ??????????????c c????c t?????? ch??????c
> qu??????c t??????, qu??????c gia c???? uy t????n
> > c????ng nh??????n v???? l????m t??????t c?????? ?????????? gi?????? ??????????????c danh hi??????u.
> Ch?????? c???? m??????t m????nh Kh????nh H????a
> > kh????ng l????m th??????.
> >
> > T????i kh????ng tr??????c ti??????p nghe l????nh ??????????o ??????????a ph????????ng n????o
> ph????t ng????n, nh????ng t????i ngh????
> > khi n????i nh???? v??????y h?????? ???????? qu????n m??????t t??????nh l???? m??????t b??????
> ph??????n c??????a qu??????c gia ch?????? kh????ng
> > ph??????i m??????t v????????ng qu??????c, v???? v??????nh Nha Trang kh????ng ph??????i l????
> t????i s??????n ri????ng c??????a Kh????nh
> > H????a, m???? l???? t????i s??????n chung c??????a qu??????c gia, th??????m ch???? c??????a
> to????n nh????n lo??????i.
> >
> > *- Nhi??????u l????nh ??????????o ??????????a ph????????ng v???? nh???? ??????????u t???? t??????ng
> "k????u" r??????ng ?????? nh??????ng v????ng
> > "??????????ng ????????u c?
??ng l???? di t????ch" th???? kh???? l????m ????n ch?????? n????i
> g???? ??????????n ph????t tri??????n. ????ng
> > ????????nh gi???? th?????? n????o? *
> >
> > - Sao h?????? kh????ng th??????y may m??????n v???? n??????????c ta c???? nhi??????u di
> t????ch? Ch????ng ta t??????ng c????
> > nhi??????u c??????nh ??????????p, di s??????n qu???? gi????, nh????ng m??????t th??????i gian
> d????i kh????ng ??????????????c quan t????m
> > g????n gi?????? ????????ng m??????c n????n ???????? b?????? h??????y ho??????i nhi??????u. B????y
> gi?????? ???????? ??????????n l????c ph??????i c?????? gi??????
> > n??????t nh??????ng g???? c????n l??????i.
> >
> > M????u thu??????n gi??????a b??????o t??????n v???? ph????t tri??????n l???? ????i??????u m????
> qu??????c gia n????o c?
??ng ???????? v????
> > ????ang g??????p ph??????i. Nh????ng kinh nghi??????m c??????a nh??????ng m???? h????nh
> kinh t?????? - x???? h??????i th????nh
> > c????ng nh??????t cho th??????y h?????? kh????ng bao gi?????? ch??????p nh??????n ph????t
> tri??????n b??????ng m??????i gi????. Ph????t
> > tri??????n ?????????? m????i tr??????????ng b?????? h??????y ho??????i, ?????????? v????i l??????p
> c????c gi???? tr?????? truy??????n th??????ng, ??????????
> > m????nh kh????ng c????n l???? m????nh n??????a th???? ph????t tri??????n l????m g?????
> >
> > *- V??????y B?????? s?????? gi??????i quy??????t ra sao khi nh??????n ?????????? ngh??????
> ch????nh th??????c xin r????t v??????nh
> > Nha Trang kh??????i danh s????ch danh th??????ng qu??????c gia c??????a UBND
> t??????nh Kh????nh H????a? *
> >
> > - Nh???? t????i ???????? n????i ?????? tr????n, v???? ????????y l???? m??????t vi??????c ch????a
> h?????? c???? ti??????n l??????, v???? v???? v??????nh
> > Nha Trang kh????ng ph??????i l???? t????i s??????n ri????ng c??????a Kh????nh H????a
> n????n B?????? s?????? cho ????????ng b????o
> > c????ng b?????? to????n b?????? c????c th????ng tin tr????n v???? s?????? m?????? di?????
n
> ????????n th??????c hi??????n tr????ng c??????u ????
> > ki??????n to????n d????n. Nh????ng t????i v??????n hi v??????ng B?????? kh????ng ph??????i
> l????m vi??????c ????????.
> >   **
> >
> > *????ng Paul Stoll - TG???? C????ng ty T???? v??????n D??????ch v?????? Du l??????ch
> Qu??????c t?????? Celadon:
> > Kh????nh H????a ??????????ng v???? l??????i ????ch tr??????????c m??????t!*
> >
> >    ????ng Paul Stoll. ??????nh: *Tu??????i Tr??????.*T????i ngh???? ch????nh quy??????n
> t??????nh Kh????nh H????a
> > ??????????ng v???? nh??????ng l??????i ????ch tr??????????c m??????t m???? qu????n ????i m??????t
> ti??????m n????ng ch??????ng ph??????i n????i n????o
> > c?
??ng c???? th?????? c???? ??????????????c. Trong qu???? tr????nh ph????t tri??????n,
> ph??????i bi??????t m????nh mu??????n ??????????t
> > ??????????????c th????nh t??????u g???? trong t????????ng lai.
> >
> > N??????u ???????? ch??????n ph????t tri??????n theo k?????? ho??????ch d????i h????i th????
> kh????ng th?????? ngay l??????p t??????c
> > thu ??????????????c l??????i nhu??????n. Th????nh c????ng trong kinh t?????? kh????ng
> ch?????? ????o b??????ng s?????? ti??????n m????
> > ch????nh quy??????n ???????? thu ??????????????c. ???????? c????n l???? s?????? trong s??????ch
> c??????a m????i tr??????????ng s??????ng, cu??????c
> > s??????ng c??????a ng??????????i d????n h??????nh ph????c h????n. Ph????t tri??????n kinh
> t?????? th????nh c????ng ?????????? l????m g????
> > khi m????i tr??????????ng s??????ng c????ng tr?????? n????n t?????? h????n? N??????u ch??????
> t??????p trung cho ph????t tri??????n
> > kinh t??????, li??????u c???? ??????????m b??????o m????i tr??????????ng v???? c??????nh quan
> c??????a v??????nh Nha Trang s?????? t??????t
> > h????n b????y gi???????
> >
> > (Theo *Tu??????i Tr??????*)
> >
> > --
> > Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> > Washington DC
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From dyungle at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  1 16:50:09 2007
From: dyungle at hotmail.com (Dyung Le)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:50:09 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Vietnam Aims for Image as Luxury Destination
In-Reply-To: <465E88CB.1090409@translingualexpress.com>
Message-ID: <BAY144-F364232C21038EE1E270600A72C0@phx.gbl>

Vietnam Aims for Image as Luxury Destination
By The Wall Street Journal
Last Update: 12:06 AM ET May 30, 2007

CHINA BEACH, Vietnam -- Paul Chong was searching for paradise on a beach in 
Vietnam.
Mr. Chong, the head of business development at Singapore's Banyan Tree 
Hotels & Resorts, came here on a weeklong mission last August to scout sites 
for a luxury resort. He had journeyed by car and plane up the coast from Ho 
Chi Minh City before arriving at a tiny fishing village near the central 
city of Da Nang. In a remote cove reachable only by rowboat, he and three 
colleagues explored a two-mile stretch of beachfront.

"We fell so much in love with the site that we didn't leave until it was 
pitch black," Mr. Chong recalls. In March, Banyan Tree won a license to 
begin building the Laguna Vietnam, a $270 million complex of hotels, villas 
and spas.

The complex is the latest in a small but growing number of exclusive resorts 
planned or already open in Vietnam -- a country many Americans still 
associate more with farmers' huts and a war that ended decades ago than with 
a luxurious vacation.

Investors from the U.S., Canada, Singapore and Dubai are among those 
developing posh getaways here. Many of these new resorts are sprouting along 
the central coast, on or near China Beach, 20 miles of white sand where U.S. 
troops body-surfed and swigged warm beer on R 'n' R breaks during the 
Vietnam War.

With its powdery beaches, mountains, rare wildlife, French-inspired cuisine 
and world-class cultural sites, Vietnam could be the next top-drawer 
destination in Asia, on a par with Phuket, Thailand, or the Indonesian 
resort island of Bali, some international tourism industry officials say.
"It's so diverse. In one destination, you can do so much," says John 
Koldowski of the Pacific Asia Travel Association, a regional travel-industry 
trade group.

A number of the world's hoteliers seem to agree. For example, China Beach is 
home to the five-star Furama Resort Da Nang, where guests have included 
European royalty and Asian heads of state. Among its diversions: scuba 
diving, cooking classes and slot machines. "I think it matches any resort 
anyplace in the world," says Furama guest Fred Williams , a globe-trotting 
security consultant from Davie, Fla.

Mr. Williams, who says he was twice wounded in Vietnam as a U.S. Marine, was 
making his first trip back to China Beach -- Vietnamese call it My Khe or 
Non Nuoc -- since a day's respite after the 1968 Tet Offensive. "I remember 
playing volleyball and eating steak and baked beans on that very spot, over 
by that stand of pine trees, 40 years ago," he says, wagging a finger 
southward from his poolside lounge chair.

Then there is the nearby Nam Hai Resort & Villas, which set a new standard 
for resort opulence in central Vietnam when London-listed investment fund 
Indochina Capital opened it in December. The Nam Hai is managed by Global 
Hotel Management Ltd., whose founder Adrian Zecha has made his name 
operating luxury hotels from Malaysia to Miami. Each of the Nam Hai's 40 
residential villas has a butler, a private pool and an ocean view; prices 
for the seven units still available start at $1 million. Daily room rates 
for the resort's 60 hotel villas begin at $550.

Four Seasons Hotels & Resorts of Toronto is completing a full-size model of 
one of the 80 rental villas it plans to manage on secluded Cham Island, a 
25-minute boat ride from Da Nang, beginning in 2009. Dubai's Kingdom Hotel 
Investments plans a 150-room, $65 million luxury resort called the Raffles 
Da Nang, to open in 2011. Foreigners' ability to own 100% of a project and 
to lease property for 50 years were important factors in Kingdom's decision 
to invest here, says the company's chief executive officer, Sarmad Zok.

The resorts are catering to a swelling tide of foreigners, numbering 3.6 
million last year, two-thirds more than in 2000, according to the Vietnam 
National Administration of Tourism. Americans were the third-largest 
nationality among last year's visitors, after Chinese and South Koreans. The 
Pacific Asia Travel Association forecasts a robust 7.6% average annual 
growth rate in foreign arrivals through 2009.

But while Vietnam remains popular with backpackers, it is now attracting a 
more affluent class of traveler. It had the second-fastest GDP growth rate 
in Asia in 2005 (only China's was faster) according to Thomson Financial. 
People are coming to Vietnam to do business and returning to take vacations. 
In addition to the natural and cultural attractions, Vietnam has a deserved 
reputation for safety and political stability.

There are some inconveniences for the traveler. Getting a visa to Vietnam 
takes time, and international flights, particularly to Da Nang, are limited.

And some environmentalists worry that uncontrolled beachfront development 
could degrade Vietnam's environment. Resorts need lots of water for showers 
and laundry and to sprinkle on lawns and golf greens. If they pump too much 
fresh water from natural aquifers, seawater can seep in and damage 
surrounding croplands. Overdevelopment of Vietnam's idyllic beaches poses an 
additional risk: Discouraging the very guests that a luxury resort is trying 
to attract.

Banyan Tree was already thinking of building boutique hotels in the former 
imperial capital Hue, 60 miles north of Da Nang, when it decided that 
Vietnam was "ripe" for upscale tourism and warranted a larger investment, 
says Mr. Chong, the head of business development. Now Banyan Tree is drawing 
up a master plan for what it believes will be Vietnam's first big integrated 
luxury resort.

Mr. Chong crawled over boulders and waded though mud to find the right site 
-- a beach called Lang Co, between Hue and Da Nang. The 516-acre property 
will include a golf course and more than 1,000 hotel rooms and villas.

Banyan Tree is watching closely to see how business fares at the nearby $56 
million Nam Hai Resort & Villas. The centerpiece of the Nam Hai is a 
reflecting pool and three swimming pools that cascade gently toward an 
875-yard beachfront. The resort's hotel villas boast sinks with a 
cracked-eggshell lacquerware finish and fully loaded iPods.

Frenchman Hugues Lamotte, a London fund manager, bought a three-bedroom 
villa here with his wife in 2005 when the Nam Hai had just broken ground. He 
wanted to be close to Hong Kong; Bali was too far and Thailand too hot.

"A lot of our friends who do not know Vietnam think we are very courageous. 
They think of Vietnam as being totally undeveloped," he says, gazing at the 
vast, empty beach beneath his seawall. The villa "has exceeded my best 
expectations," he says. He even bought a neighboring villa as an investment 
and persuaded three of his friends to do the same.

A remote location like China Beach doesn't make a developer's life easy. 
Building the Nam Hai proved a challenge in part because local craftsmen had 
limited experience performing up to the required standards, Indochina 
Capital Chief Executive Officer Peter Ryder says. Electricians occasionally 
installed sockets upside down. Finding enough staff who could speak English 
was also a problem. The Nam Hai continues to run English classes for people 
from nearby communities to ensure it has a pool of potential employees with 
a minimal competence in the language.

Still, the hurdles to building a luxury resort in Vietnam haven't deterred 
Indochina Capital from planning additional projects. One is a villa compound 
on Con Dao island, a protected marine reserve notorious for the "tiger cage" 
prisons that the former South Vietnamese government once operated there. 
(The cages are no longer used to hold people, but some have been preserved 
as historical artifacts.) Elsewhere in the South, near the city of Nha 
Trang, the Evason Hideaway & Spa at Ana Mandara pampers guests, but in a 
rustic, Robinson Crusoe-like setting, where they are encouraged to go 
barefoot.

Some developers, meanwhile, are trying to lessen their environmental impact 
by recycling bathwater to spray on grass and using renewable construction 
materials, among other efforts. And local Vietnamese officials say they are 
controlling the proliferation of hotels on China Beach. Da Nang, for 
example, has a comprehensive plan for sharing its seafront between resort 
projects and public beaches, says Le Tran Nguyen Han , the city's head of 
environmental management.

But Anneke Schenk , a guest-relations manager at the Furama Resort, 
questions whether any such plan can withstand pressure from developers and 
authorities eager to cash in on Vietnam's beachfront bonanza. She fears for 
the distinctive scenery of puttering fishing boats and Vietnamese doing tai 
chi exercises on the sand.

"Now is the best time to visit China Beach," she says. "In five years, it'll 
be just like any beach in Thailand."

Write to Bruce Stanley at bruce.stanley at wsj.com

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From: tranbathien at gmail.com (Tran Ba Thien)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 08:02:14 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
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Dear CACC,

Toi vua di du lich o Nha Trang tu ngay chu nhat 27 den thu nam 31/5/2007 ve.
Toi da di tham cac diem du lich nhu Hon Ngoc Viet Vin Pearl bang cap treo,
tham cac dao trong vinh Nha Trang bang thuyen du lich, tham doc Let v.v...
va v.v...

Toi di vao luc ma moi noi o hi thuyen dung lai o hon Mun, khu sinh thai bien
duy nhat tai Vietnam, khach du lich duoc mac ao phao va nhay xuong bien ngam
san ho. Mot anh ban di chung tau sau khi leo tro ve thuyen da hoi ha chup
cac thang canh tren vung vinh nay. Anh noi:

-Chang biet vai nam toi khi tro lai NT, nguoi ta da huy diet cai thien nhien
nay den muc nao roi?

Noi xong vai cau, anh nem cai lon nuoc ngot xuong bien khien nguoi huong dan
vien du lich tren thuyen phai hot hoang la lon:

Xin qui khach dung xa rac xuong vung bien nay. Chung ta dung tai pham cai
sai lam cua cha ong khi ....

Mot anh nhan vien tren thuyen lay vot de vot cai lon nuoc ngot kia truoc khi
no kip chim xung day bien ben nhung rang san ho dep huyen ao kia.

den Doc Let tam trong mot sang nuoc bien em nhu mot cai ho lon.  Nhung nguoi 
dang tam o day vua vui dua vua voi va ngam
nhin cai thien nhien long lay vi e rang vai nam nua, no se chang con. Dong
thoi, ho cung phai ngamng
nhin mat bien de tranh tam nhung noi dang noi leu beu nhung boc nylon dung
rac va nhung mon can ba con sot lai cua nganh ky nghe khong khoi bui nhung
day rac thai nay.

Dung la giua phat trien kinh te va bao ve moi truong thien nhien luon luon
co nhung buoc di nguoc chieu nhau. Toi thay trong cai lo lang cua nhung
nguoi dan NT va nhung nguoi khach du lich den NT co cai lo lon nhat la hay
giu lai nguyen trang cai hinh thu, dang voc cua nhung ngon nui, hay giu lai
nguyen trang cai mau xanh thuc vat tren cac trien nui, giu lai nhung rang
san ho nhung bay ca du mau sac so boi loi quanh do... HO yeu cau rat nhieu
va hau nhu khong ai nghi den cau hoi rang:

-Ai se la nguoi co nhiem vu bao ve cai thien nhien xinh dep ay?

Hau het deu nghi rang chinh phu la nguoi co trach nhiem. Sau chinh phu thi
la nguoi khac, nhung nguoi nao do khong phai la toi xin vui long dung xa rac
dung lam o nhiem moi truong. co ve nhu cai y tuong bao ve thien nhien va bao
ve moi truong dang duoc hieu nhu mot cai roi chi de danh nguoi khac ma khong
danh chinh minh. Nguoi ta phan doi viec tan pha thien nhien va huy hoai moi 
truong cua nguoi khac mot cach het suc khat khe nhung lai tha thu va khoan 
dung cho hanh vi cua minh mot cach rat la "nhan tu". Anh ban cua toi sau khi 
hoi mac co vi cai lon bia nem xuong nuoc quay sang toi bao chua:

-Nay gio tim mai chang thay cai gio rac tren tau de o cho nao nen minh vo y 
danh roi xuong nuoc.

Co le, ban to chuc du lich cua chiec thuyen nay cung noi:

-Minh ban ron cham soc khach hang nen sang nay vo y quen mang cai gio rac 
len thuyen...

Toi sinh ra o NT nhung suot cuoc doi song tai Saigon. Toi yeu NT vo cung va 
cung cam thay dau long neu NT bi tan pha boi ban tay cua con nguoi. Ro rang 
khong phai la NT sap bi huy diet nhung NT dang bi huy diet mot cach vo to 
chuc. Sap toi day nguoi ta se huy diet no mot cach co to chuc hon. Nguoi 
ngoai cuoc nhu toi se cam thay ganh ty vi minh hong duoc tham du vao tro huy 
diet nay. biet dau, phai biet dau, neu toi cung co mot phan hun kha lon 
torng mot cai cong ty nao do se cat ngang cai dinh nui cua dao Hon Tre va 
dung len do mot khu vui choi nhu Vin Pearl, hay xay mot cai thap Ba giong 
nguoi Chiem Thanh da lam hoi the ky thu 8 sau CN, hoac nhu nguoi phap cat 
phang mot ngon doi giua long thanh pho de dung len nha tho Nui Nha Trang nam 
1930... Nhung cai do the he cua toi da quen nhin va cam thay hai long roi tu 
cho rang phai co Thap Ba, Nha Tho Nui, tuong Phat Thich Ca thi moi la Nha 
Trang. Nhung neu cat Hon Tre hay duc vao cac vach nui da chung quanh NT va 
khac len do nhung buc chan dung cac lanh tu nhu Quang Trung, Le Loi, Ho Chi 
Minh thi dong nghia voi tan pha Nha Trang? Biet dau va biet dau 100 nam toi, 
the he sau se cho rang phai co cac buc tuong nu the, phai cat ngan cai chop 
nui cua Hon Tre nhu the thi moi la Nha Trang?

Toi nho cai hom o New York gap mot co gai nguoi Alaska. Chi nay khoe voi toi 
rang chi la nguoi Eskimo va torng nhom bao ton van hoa Eskimo. Chi ke rang 
thanh nien Eskimo ngay nay song song voi viec hoc tai cac truong high 
schools, ho cung duoc hoc cach danh bat ca, cach xay nha tuyet igloo v.v... 
Toi hoi chi ay rang vay chi con noi duoc tieng Eskimo khong? chi lac dau.

Toi roi Nha Trang vao sang thu nam 31/5 ma long cu phan van mai voi cau hoi 
rang roi mai NT cua toi se ra sao day? Toi den Mui Ne-Phan Thiet o choi them 
1 dem nua roi moi quay ve Sg. Chieu hom ay, chung toi den truot cat tai cac 
ngon doi cat do ma nguoi ta goi la Doi Hong. Nhung dua be dia phuong om nhom 
om nhach tay cam cac tam van truoc cat bu den doan chung toi moi thue van. 
Toi leo den dinh doi cat va tim cach hoi tham cac em.
-Chau co di hoc khong? toi hoi
-KHong, mot dua dap
-Vay lam sao biet chu duoc? toi hoi
-Da me chau day cho chau, no dap
-Nha chau co may anh em? toi ho
-Da co 5 nguoi chet mot nguoi con 4. 2 chi cua chau dang lam viec o Sg. Ba 
chau chi biet di nhau suot ngay. Thinh thoang ong moi ve rua cho me chau may 
cai chen. Con me chau thi ban sang di ban nuoc sam tren Doi Hong nay.

Khi co may nguoi khach du lich khac cung vua leo len dinh doi cho chung toi 
dang ngoi nghi met. Ho tray a gia thue tam van truot cat voi cac em.

-500 thoi, may dua duoi chan doi noi chi 500 thoi chu lam gi 1000 nhu tui 
bay noi?

Trong cai dem truoc ngay 1/6 Ngay quoc te thieu nhi, co mot doan tre con 
dang phai lao dong kiem song cho cha chung lay tien di danh so de, di uong 
ruou. Trong cai dem trang tron vang vac cua le Phat Dan, khi Duc Thich Ca 
con la cau be thai tu Tat Dat Da, cac em phai bo hoc phai lang thang. Toi 
dua cho chung to giay 100,000 cho ca nhom chia nhau. Co mot dua mung qua den 
cam on toi bao rang sang toi gio no chua kiem duoc dong nao het. Nhung ngon 
doi cao ngat ngheu nay, chung toi, nhung ke thua com thua tien leo len de 
tieu bot nang luong de vui choi. Chi can leo len mot lan la muon het ca hoi 
de tho. The ma cac chau phai leo len leo xuong moi ngay hang tram lan mong 
kiem duoc vai ngan. Toi khong cho cac em 100,000 nhung da xin cac em hay cho 
toi duoc boi thuong. Cac em da hy sinh niem vui va tuong lai cua minh de 
nhung ke tra du, tuu hau chung toi co duoc mot dem trang trong vui ve voi 
con cai, voi ban be voi gia dinh.

Gap cac em xong, toi cu tuong rang minh se noi voi chinh phu rang phai nhanh 
chong phat trien kinh te de nhung dua be nay khong con phai di kiem song 
trong dem Quoc Te Thieu Nhi va Le mung sinh nhat Phat Thich ca.. Toi chi 
tuong tuong nhu the ma thoi. Su that cau tra loi van con o xa lam cac ban 
ah...

men
Tran Ba Thien
tranbathien at gmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shane Wall" <shane.wall at translingualexpress.com>
To: <vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay


>[ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>


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> Hi Craig and CACC,
> I am very interested in your last idea Craig. "Pockets" of tourism
> showcasing different aspects of life, but being in relatively close
> proximity to each other. Is an excellent idea. This is essentially what
> we did with my Mom and Aunty (64 &54 y.o. respectively).
>
> We didn't do much in HCMC, just used it as a "base" for our trips. We
> did a homestay in a village Northwest of Tay Ninh town, a real rural
> experience, went to Black Lady Mountain (rarely visited by foreigners),
> did some shopping in the market, in addition to the normal tourist Cu
> Chi tunnels-Cao Dai Holy See tours. They loved it.
>
> We did similar things in Hue, Hoi An and Vinh Long - visited the major
> attractions, but went 'deeper' into the life of each place by visiting
> nearby places that are not "on the tourist trail". The reception we
> found in every place was simply staggering. In the shadows of these
> major tourist destinations, we found exactly the "pockets" you talk
> about Craig. We wanted to see the 'real' Hue, Hoi An, etc., and we found
> it. Obviously the 'normal, day-to-day' life of these places will not be
> of interest to everyone, but it certainly was to my Mom and Aunty.
>
> Indeed, the success of that trip, and similar ones I've done with other
> family & friends in the past, has prompted us to consider setting up a
> more formal arrangement catering to this "niche market" rather than the
> mass tourism we see most of.
>
> Just my 2,000VND worth.
>
> Shane
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mr. Shane Wall
> Principal,
>
> Trans Lingual Express
> 120/14 Mai Thi Luu St,
> P. Dakao, Q.1, HCMC,
> Vietnam
>
> Mail: shane.wall at translingualexpress.com
> Web: www.translingualexpress.com
>
> Mbl: +84 (090) 9484 753 (Anh) - Tel: +84 (8) 820 9143 (Viet)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Craig Stevenson wrote:
>> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Dear CACC,
>> Dyung Le, I really can't agree with your perspective more (in some
>> respects).
>> To me hawkers are part of the experience. Some of my best friends in
>> the places I have lived and traveled have been these hawkers. They,
>> are the salt of the earth, and should be much admired for doing what
>> it takes to make a living with the lot that they have been given. As
>> to some making only 15,000 a day, that would be surprising if that
>> low. Some I knew made well more than that. But I digress, I guess the
>> point is that for those who are real tourists, they want the
>> experience without being pestered. They haven't learned how to deal
>> with hawkers as it may be impolite to ignore a person who is talking
>> to them. Hawkers work you until they understand who you are, whether
>> you know how to deal with them, whether you will hold your ground or
>> give just to stop them and have them move on their way.
>> As to hawkers, any person who has spent time traveling in developing
>> nations should be aware of hawkers. Hawkers won't drive away the types
>> of individuals who travel to developing nations. Hawkers are part of
>> the process, part of the experience, par for the course. Of course,
>> for the cruise ship crowd, hawkers need to be severly restrained.
>> Cruise Ship tourists are catered to, want relaxation, don't want to
>> see anything, but something pretty. THey are not here to see countries
>> and peoples, to taste the food and notice the cultural nuances, they
>> are spectators in luxury boxes at a sporting event. So on the streets
>> of Hanoi or HCMC hawkers are fine, on the beaches that cruise ships
>> let passengers off on for a three hour swim and sun they should be
>> limited.
>> When in a country I always notice how locals deal with street-sellers
>> and then try to respond more politely with equal firmness. Tourists
>> venturing into cities like HCMC need to learn how to deal with it or
>> they should just go on a cruise.
>> On tourist and tourist sites I believe Vietnam has many challenges.
>> The country is long and narrow. The distances between sites can be
>> far. Cities like HCMC are often intimidating to a tourist. It is big,
>> busy, filled with commerce, buzzing. There are few large parks,
>> limited greenery, and lotsa concrete and asphalt. Exciting for
>> youthful travelers, less exciting for the elderly or older toursists.
>> It would seem wise to effectively develop tourist venues in pockets.
>> Pockets of short distances. Sites that make the best use of local
>> flora, local flavors, local culture, music and dance. Effectively
>> creating sites close in proximity to each other, that capture things
>> different than can be seen elsewhere in a relaxing environment might
>> work to capture and encourage people to return.
>> Just my two cents,
>> Craig
>>
>> On 5/30/07, *Dyung Le* <dyungle at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:dyungle at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>>
>>
>>     Dear CCCA,
>>
>>     I don't think aggressive hawking is a characteristics only of BN.
>>     I remember
>>     being in Puerto Rico, visiting some historial sites. The layout
>>     was a narrow
>>     pathways in between 2 rows of stalls. The hawking was extremely
>>     aggressive,
>>     quasi intimidating. It left quite a bad taste in my mouth
>>     regarding my
>>     experience in Puerto Rico.
>>
>>     Re the example given, I think people will hawk what they have to
>>     hawk. If
>>     they have sunglass, they'll try to sell sun glass. They don't have
>>     other
>>     stuff to sell so what can they do.
>>
>>     I do remember visiting some ancient temples in China. When we
>>     arrived the
>>     sky was clear. When we left, it was raining. I was amazed that the
>>     bus stop
>>     litterally is sprouting with vendors of umbrella and raincoat.
>>     Those guys
>>     made a killing!
>>
>>     I do aggree some tourism planning is needed. But I'm not sure how.
>>     Sometimes
>>     I do get bothered by agressive hawking, but then I realized that
>>     lots of
>>     these people make only 15,000 dong a day working 12-14 hours. So I
>>     stopped
>>     feeling so annoyed.
>>
>>     Dyung Le
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     ----Original Message Follows----
>>     From: Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov <mailto:Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov>
>>     Reply-To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net <mailto:vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
>>     To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net <mailto:vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
>>     CC: vnbiz at vietlinks.net <mailto:vnbiz at vietlinks.net>,
>>     vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com <mailto:vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com>
>>     Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
>>     Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:57:40 -0400
>>
>>     [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>>
>>
>>
>>     Hi Shane,
>>     As it is with international trade -- which tourism is a part where
>> the
>>     customers actually come to you -- Vietnam is on a learning curve
>>     without
>>     much appropriate help from the authorities. In earlier days,
>>     Vietnamese
>>     trade delegations would bring to America samples of products that
>>     are not
>>     marketable here. That doesn't happen much anymore.
>>     The local hawkers do not intend to pester the tourists. They just
>>     don't
>>     realize/understand the negative consequence of their hard work. The
>>     authorities' approach to hawkers appear to be binary; they are either
>>     banned altogether or allowed unfettered access to the tourists.
>>     Central
>>     or local authorities can really help by educating the hawkers to
>>     provide
>>     more of what is needed and wanted by the tourists and less of
>>     pestering.
>>     The example with your relatives' experience is a good case in
>>     point, and
>>     it's not unique. But they don't have a channel to give feed back to
>>     tourism authorities that are in a position to effect improvement.
>>     Whether
>>     they will actually do it is a different issue. A training session
>>     on how
>>     not to bother tourists and a suggested list of goods to sell,
>>     including
>>     sunscreen (though most tourists likely have their own) would be
>> simple
>>     things the authorities can do that can help both the local hawkers to
>>     provide the appropriate services and the tourists to enjoy their
>>     experience.
>>     I hear that Hoi An did a good job in planning a tourism policy.
>> Others
>>     may benefit from their best practices.
>>     I remember the hawkers at Angkor Wat who always stopped once you've
>>     entered the perimeter of a ruin. I appreciated the cold soda they
>>     offered
>>     me in the middle of a hot, sun drenched field and thought how I
>>     would have
>>     gladly paid more for it.
>>     Best, HPP
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     Shane Wall < shane.wall at translingualexpress.com
>>     <mailto:shane.wall at translingualexpress.com>>
>>     Sent by: vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com
>>     <mailto:vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com>
>>     05/29/2007 06:00 PM
>>     Please respond to
>>     vnbiz at vietlinks.net <mailto:vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
>>
>>
>>     To
>>     vnbiz at vietlinks.net <mailto:vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
>>     cc
>>
>>     Subject
>>     Re: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>>
>>     Dear CACC,
>>     The bay in Nha Trang may be beautiful, and worthy of World Heritage
>>     listing ( I don't believe it is currently listed. Can anybody show
>>     me a
>>     verifiable source that lists Vinh Nha Trang on the World Heritage
>>     list?
>>     I challenge you all!), but that is not the point.
>>
>>     The underlying point is this: How much of Vietnam's unique cultural
>>     and physical attractions should be 'adulterated' or 'changed' to
>>     cater
>>     for foreign tourists?
>>
>>     My initial thinking is NONE! Leave the attractions alone, but get
>>     much, much better at making the SERVICES which operate in and around
>>     those attractions more attractive to repeat visitors. We all know
>>     that
>>     lots of foreigners love to come to Vietnam. However, very, very few
>> of
>>     them come back for a second or third visit. Why?
>>
>>     According to my Mom and Aunty, who visited in April (Sai Gon, Tay
>>     Ninh, Hue, Da Nang, Hoi An, Pleiku, Vung Tau, Vinh Long - we got
>>     around
>>     a bit), they could not stand people pestering them at every turn.
>>     One of
>>     their overwhelming feelings and emotions about their Vietnam visit is
>>     that: "Vietnamese people just want to sell you s**t that you don't
>>     want
>>     or need. Why don't they understand that if I am wearing sunglasses, I
>>     don't need another pair. Why would he physically stop me and try
>>     to sell
>>     me something I obviously do not need?"
>>
>>     My feeble answer was "He's just trying to make a buck." My Mom wisely
>>     replied, "Well he would be much more successful if he tried to sell
>> me
>>     something I need. Can't he see my skin is as red as a b****y lobster?
>>     I'd buy some soothing sun-screen lotion from him, but another pair of
>>     sunglasses? Forget. What a loser!" - On the beach at Vung Tau.
>>
>>     Sadly, what foreign tourists WANT for a repeat visit is not what they
>>     get in Vietnam yet. That is why they go back to Thailand, Malaysia,
>>     Singapore, the Philippines, etc. many times, but seem to visit
>> Vietnam
>>     only once.
>>
>>     My 1000VND worth!
>>
>>     Shane
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Mr. Shane Wall
>>     Principal,
>>
>>     Trans Lingual Express
>>     120/14 Mai Thi Luu St,
>>     P. Dakao, Q.1, HCMC,
>>     Vietnam
>>
>>     Mail: shane.wall at translingualexpress.com
>>     <mailto:shane.wall at translingualexpress.com>
>>     Web: www.translingualexpress.com <http://www.translingualexpress.com>
>>
>>     Mbl: +84 (090) 9484 753 (Anh) - Tel: +84 (8) 820 9143 (Viet)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     Mercedes Benz wrote:
>>     > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>     >
>>     > Dear CACC,
>>     >
>>     > Both a. Duong and a. Thang are paritially correct (my opinion).
>>     Ithink
>>     > it s not Khanh Hoa's issue here.It is the complicated problem for
>>     > VNese government. Everyone knows money can be made but Heritage,
>>     > nature .. hardly can. The first thought came to me is Khanh Hoa is
>>     > such a ridiculous guy. really angry in mind. Yes, but think deeply
>>     > raised out a bad sign of governance.
>>     > "Co thuc moi vuc duoc dao". Despite the campaign for Vietnamese
>>     > tourism, I think it has not gained an achievement as we
>>     expected. And
>>     > Khanh Hoa has its own reason. However, does the decision of
>>     Khanh Hoa
>>     > province help much the poor or only the rich? Big question I think.
>>     >
>>     > Regarding the a. Hoanh 1st question: I think Khanh Hoa absolutely
>> do
>>     > not have such right. And the government MUST have their own
>> decision
>>     > for which they are fully responsible. If the can not deal it
>>     > appropriately, that will be the bad practice for other provinces.
>> It
>>     > will ruin our precious nature properties as well as culture and
>>     > tradition. Money can be good excuse for all circumstances!
>>     >
>>     > Secondly, education, our education need boosting and reforming more
>>     > and more. That is the key for our flourish and stable future.
>>     >
>>     > Finally, sorry to say that I do not know how we, VN citizens, can
>>     > contribute to the sustainable development of our country.
>>     >
>>     > It is really interesting to hear your ideas a bout that.
>>     >
>>     > Best regards,
>>     >
>>     > On 5/26/07, *Tran Dinh Hoanh* < tdhoanh at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:tdhoanh at gmail.com>
>>     > <mailto:tdhoanh at gmail.com <mailto:tdhoanh at gmail.com>> > wrote:
>>     >
>>     > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Dear CACC,
>>     >
>>     > Probably you have heard that Khanh Hoa authority was trying to do
>>     > some tourist develoment in Nha Trang Bay but the Ministry of
>>     > Culture and Information told it to stop because that would violate
>>     > the World Heriatage rules, Nha Trang Bay being a World Heritage
>>     > site. Then, the vice-chairman of Khanh Hoa's People's Committee
>>     > was quoted as saying that Nha Trang should request that its name
>>     > be withdrawn from the World Heritage list. (Previously, Khanh Hoa
>>     > authorities had submitted a petition to have Vinh Nha Trang named
>>     > as a World Heritage and that petition had been approved) (Please
>>     > see VNEpxress article below).
>>     >
>>     > Here are some issues I would like to hear your opinion on:
>>     >
>>     > 1. Does Nha Trang has the right to withdraw itself from being a
>>     > World Heritage site? What if the central government in Hanoi says
>>     > that Nha Trang cannot withdraw? Does the central government has
>>     > that right?
>>     >
>>     > 2. This guy in Nha Trang seems to think that environment
>>     > preservation hurts development. Does that make sense?
>>     > Please voice your opinion.
>>     >
>>     > Have a great day!
>>     >
>>     > Hoanh
>>     > _________________
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
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From nhuung at gmail.com  Fri Jun  1 20:18:52 2007
From: nhuung at gmail.com (Nhung)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 10:18:52 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
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Chao anh Thien va cac anh cac chi,
I've been really enjoying the discussion in silent because I don?t have much knowledge & experience to say. Anh Thien, thanks for your moving chronicle... and thank you all for eye-open opinions. I would like to add my 2 essay photos in this discussion... the 1st one is the seaface of Hon Tam where the water's so clear that u can see coral meters underneath, the 2nd one is a floating garbage lot in Thuy Cung Tri Nguyen, Nha Trang.
I think, what we are trying to preserve, is a clean & beautiful Vietnam in general, Nha Trang particularly for our own selves, for our own generation and the next, before mentioning about any foreign tourists. Is that the messy & destroyed world is what you would save for your own kids?
I've noticed that Vietnamese people are really ignorant about environmental issues - but that will make us lost and run slow in the long way to develop. That will even hurt us in near future if we keep on ignoring. Do not forget that the globe is getting warmer- and whichever country adopt better to it will survive.
-nhung

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Dear CACC,

Toi vua di du lich o Nha Trang tu ngay chu nhat 27 den thu nam 31/5/2007 ve.
Toi da di tham cac diem du lich nhu Hon Ngoc Viet Vin Pearl bang cap treo,
tham cac dao trong vinh Nha Trang bang thuyen du lich, tham doc Let v.v...
va v.v...

Toi di vao luc ma moi noi o hi thuyen dung lai o hon Mun, khu sinh thai bien
duy nhat tai Vietnam, khach du lich duoc mac ao phao va nhay xuong bien ngam
san ho. Mot anh ban di chung tau sau khi leo tro ve thuyen da hoi ha chup
cac thang canh tren vung vinh nay. Anh noi:

-Chang biet vai nam toi khi tro lai NT, nguoi ta da huy diet cai thien nhien
nay den muc nao roi?

Noi xong vai cau, anh nem cai lon nuoc ngot xuong bien khien nguoi huong dan
vien du lich tren thuyen phai hot hoang la lon:

Xin qui khach dung xa rac xuong vung bien nay. Chung ta dung tai pham cai
sai lam cua cha ong khi ....

Mot anh nhan vien tren thuyen lay vot de vot cai lon nuoc ngot kia truoc khi
no kip chim xung day bien ben nhung rang san ho dep huyen ao kia.

den Doc Let tam trong mot sang nuoc bien em nhu mot cai ho lon.  Nhung nguoi 
dang tam o day vua vui dua vua voi va ngam
nhin cai thien nhien long lay vi e rang vai nam nua, no se chang con. Dong
thoi, ho cung phai ngamng
nhin mat bien de tranh tam nhung noi dang noi leu beu nhung boc nylon dung
rac va nhung mon can ba con sot lai cua nganh ky nghe khong khoi bui nhung
day rac thai nay.

Dung la giua phat trien kinh te va bao ve moi truong thien nhien luon luon
co nhung buoc di nguoc chieu nhau. Toi thay trong cai lo lang cua nhung
nguoi dan NT va nhung nguoi khach du lich den NT co cai lo lon nhat la hay
giu lai nguyen trang cai hinh thu, dang voc cua nhung ngon nui, hay giu lai
nguyen trang cai mau xanh thuc vat tren cac trien nui, giu lai nhung rang
san ho nhung bay ca du mau sac so boi loi quanh do... HO yeu cau rat nhieu
va hau nhu khong ai nghi den cau hoi rang:

-Ai se la nguoi co nhiem vu bao ve cai thien nhien xinh dep ay?

Hau het deu nghi rang chinh phu la nguoi co trach nhiem. Sau chinh phu thi
la nguoi khac, nhung nguoi nao do khong phai la toi xin vui long dung xa rac
dung lam o nhiem moi truong. co ve nhu cai y tuong bao ve thien nhien va bao
ve moi truong dang duoc hieu nhu mot cai roi chi de danh nguoi khac ma khong
danh chinh minh. Nguoi ta phan doi viec tan pha thien nhien va huy hoai moi 
truong cua nguoi khac mot cach het suc khat khe nhung lai tha thu va khoan 
dung cho hanh vi cua minh mot cach rat la "nhan tu". Anh ban cua toi sau khi 
hoi mac co vi cai lon bia nem xuong nuoc quay sang toi bao chua:

-Nay gio tim mai chang thay cai gio rac tren tau de o cho nao nen minh vo y 
danh roi xuong nuoc.

Co le, ban to chuc du lich cua chiec thuyen nay cung noi:

-Minh ban ron cham soc khach hang nen sang nay vo y quen mang cai gio rac 
len thuyen...

Toi sinh ra o NT nhung suot cuoc doi song tai Saigon. Toi yeu NT vo cung va 
cung cam thay dau long neu NT bi tan pha boi ban tay cua con nguoi. Ro rang 
khong phai la NT sap bi huy diet nhung NT dang bi huy diet mot cach vo to 
chuc. Sap toi day nguoi ta se huy diet no mot cach co to chuc hon. Nguoi 
ngoai cuoc nhu toi se cam thay ganh ty vi minh hong duoc tham du vao tro huy 
diet nay. biet dau, phai biet dau, neu toi cung co mot phan hun kha lon 
torng mot cai cong ty nao do se cat ngang cai dinh nui cua dao Hon Tre va 
dung len do mot khu vui choi nhu Vin Pearl, hay xay mot cai thap Ba giong 
nguoi Chiem Thanh da lam hoi the ky thu 8 sau CN, hoac nhu nguoi phap cat 
phang mot ngon doi giua long thanh pho de dung len nha tho Nui Nha Trang nam 
1930... Nhung cai do the he cua toi da quen nhin va cam thay hai long roi tu 
cho rang phai co Thap Ba, Nha Tho Nui, tuong Phat Thich Ca thi moi la Nha 
Trang. Nhung neu cat Hon Tre hay duc vao cac vach nui da chung quanh NT va 
khac len do nhung buc chan dung cac lanh tu nhu Quang Trung, Le Loi, Ho Chi 
Minh thi dong nghia voi tan pha Nha Trang? Biet dau va biet dau 100 nam toi, 
the he sau se cho rang phai co cac buc tuong nu the, phai cat ngan cai chop 
nui cua Hon Tre nhu the thi moi la Nha Trang?

Toi nho cai hom o New York gap mot co gai nguoi Alaska. Chi nay khoe voi toi 
rang chi la nguoi Eskimo va torng nhom bao ton van hoa Eskimo. Chi ke rang 
thanh nien Eskimo ngay nay song song voi viec hoc tai cac truong high 
schools, ho cung duoc hoc cach danh bat ca, cach xay nha tuyet igloo v.v... 
Toi hoi chi ay rang vay chi con noi duoc tieng Eskimo khong? chi lac dau.

Toi roi Nha Trang vao sang thu nam 31/5 ma long cu phan van mai voi cau hoi 
rang roi mai NT cua toi se ra sao day? Toi den Mui Ne-Phan Thiet o choi them 
1 dem nua roi moi quay ve Sg. Chieu hom ay, chung toi den truot cat tai cac 
ngon doi cat do ma nguoi ta goi la Doi Hong. Nhung dua be dia phuong om nhom 
om nhach tay cam cac tam van truoc cat bu den doan chung toi moi thue van. 
Toi leo den dinh doi cat va tim cach hoi tham cac em.
-Chau co di hoc khong? toi hoi
-KHong, mot dua dap
-Vay lam sao biet chu duoc? toi hoi
-Da me chau day cho chau, no dap
-Nha chau co may anh em? toi ho
-Da co 5 nguoi chet mot nguoi con 4. 2 chi cua chau dang lam viec o Sg. Ba 
chau chi biet di nhau suot ngay. Thinh thoang ong moi ve rua cho me chau may 
cai chen. Con me chau thi ban sang di ban nuoc sam tren Doi Hong nay.

Khi co may nguoi khach du lich khac cung vua leo len dinh doi cho chung toi 
dang ngoi nghi met. Ho tray a gia thue tam van truot cat voi cac em.

-500 thoi, may dua duoi chan doi noi chi 500 thoi chu lam gi 1000 nhu tui 
bay noi?

Trong cai dem truoc ngay 1/6 Ngay quoc te thieu nhi, co mot doan tre con 
dang phai lao dong kiem song cho cha chung lay tien di danh so de, di uong 
ruou. Trong cai dem trang tron vang vac cua le Phat Dan, khi Duc Thich Ca 
con la cau be thai tu Tat Dat Da, cac em phai bo hoc phai lang thang. Toi 
dua cho chung to giay 100,000 cho ca nhom chia nhau. Co mot dua mung qua den 
cam on toi bao rang sang toi gio no chua kiem duoc dong nao het. Nhung ngon 
doi cao ngat ngheu nay, chung toi, nhung ke thua com thua tien leo len de 
tieu bot nang luong de vui choi. Chi can leo len mot lan la muon het ca hoi 
de tho. The ma cac chau phai leo len leo xuong moi ngay hang tram lan mong 
kiem duoc vai ngan. Toi khong cho cac em 100,000 nhung da xin cac em hay cho 
toi duoc boi thuong. Cac em da hy sinh niem vui va tuong lai cua minh de 
nhung ke tra du, tuu hau chung toi co duoc mot dem trang trong vui ve voi 
con cai, voi ban be voi gia dinh.

Gap cac em xong, toi cu tuong rang minh se noi voi chinh phu rang phai nhanh 
chong phat trien kinh te de nhung dua be nay khong con phai di kiem song 
trong dem Quoc Te Thieu Nhi va Le mung sinh nhat Phat Thich ca.. Toi chi 
tuong tuong nhu the ma thoi. Su that cau tra loi van con o xa lam cac ban 
ah...

men
Tran Ba Thien
tranbathien at gmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shane Wall" <shane.wall at translingualexpress.com>
To: <vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay


>[ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>


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> Hi Craig and CACC,
> I am very interested in your last idea Craig. "Pockets" of tourism
> showcasing different aspects of life, but being in relatively close
> proximity to each other. Is an excellent idea. This is essentially what
> we did with my Mom and Aunty (64 &54 y.o. respectively).
>
> We didn't do much in HCMC, just used it as a "base" for our trips. We
> did a homestay in a village Northwest of Tay Ninh town, a real rural
> experience, went to Black Lady Mountain (rarely visited by foreigners),
> did some shopping in the market, in addition to the normal tourist Cu
> Chi tunnels-Cao Dai Holy See tours. They loved it.
>
> We did similar things in Hue, Hoi An and Vinh Long - visited the major
> attractions, but went 'deeper' into the life of each place by visiting
> nearby places that are not "on the tourist trail". The reception we
> found in every place was simply staggering. In the shadows of these
> major tourist destinations, we found exactly the "pockets" you talk
> about Craig. We wanted to see the 'real' Hue, Hoi An, etc., and we found
> it. Obviously the 'normal, day-to-day' life of these places will not be
> of interest to everyone, but it certainly was to my Mom and Aunty.
>
> Indeed, the success of that trip, and similar ones I've done with other
> family & friends in the past, has prompted us to consider setting up a
> more formal arrangement catering to this "niche market" rather than the
> mass tourism we see most of.
>
> Just my 2,000VND worth.
>
> Shane
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mr. Shane Wall
> Principal,
>
> Trans Lingual Express
> 120/14 Mai Thi Luu St,
> P. Dakao, Q.1, HCMC,
> Vietnam
>
> Mail: shane.wall at translingualexpress.com
> Web: www.translingualexpress.com
>
> Mbl: +84 (090) 9484 753 (Anh) - Tel: +84 (8) 820 9143 (Viet)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Craig Stevenson wrote:
>> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Dear CACC,
>> Dyung Le, I really can't agree with your perspective more (in some
>> respects).
>> To me hawkers are part of the experience. Some of my best friends in
>> the places I have lived and traveled have been these hawkers. They,
>> are the salt of the earth, and should be much admired for doing what
>> it takes to make a living with the lot that they have been given. As
>> to some making only 15,000 a day, that would be surprising if that
>> low. Some I knew made well more than that. But I digress, I guess the
>> point is that for those who are real tourists, they want the
>> experience without being pestered. They haven't learned how to deal
>> with hawkers as it may be impolite to ignore a person who is talking
>> to them. Hawkers work you until they understand who you are, whether
>> you know how to deal with them, whether you will hold your ground or
>> give just to stop them and have them move on their way.
>> As to hawkers, any person who has spent time traveling in developing
>> nations should be aware of hawkers. Hawkers won't drive away the types
>> of individuals who travel to developing nations. Hawkers are part of
>> the process, part of the experience, par for the course. Of course,
>> for the cruise ship crowd, hawkers need to be severly restrained.
>> Cruise Ship tourists are catered to, want relaxation, don't want to
>> see anything, but something pretty. THey are not here to see countries
>> and peoples, to taste the food and notice the cultural nuances, they
>> are spectators in luxury boxes at a sporting event. So on the streets
>> of Hanoi or HCMC hawkers are fine, on the beaches that cruise ships
>> let passengers off on for a three hour swim and sun they should be
>> limited.
>> When in a country I always notice how locals deal with street-sellers
>> and then try to respond more politely with equal firmness. Tourists
>> venturing into cities like HCMC need to learn how to deal with it or
>> they should just go on a cruise.
>> On tourist and tourist sites I believe Vietnam has many challenges.
>> The country is long and narrow. The distances between sites can be
>> far. Cities like HCMC are often intimidating to a tourist. It is big,
>> busy, filled with commerce, buzzing. There are few large parks,
>> limited greenery, and lotsa concrete and asphalt. Exciting for
>> youthful travelers, less exciting for the elderly or older toursists.
>> It would seem wise to effectively develop tourist venues in pockets.
>> Pockets of short distances. Sites that make the best use of local
>> flora, local flavors, local culture, music and dance. Effectively
>> creating sites close in proximity to each other, that capture things
>> different than can be seen elsewhere in a relaxing environment might
>> work to capture and encourage people to return.
>> Just my two cents,
>> Craig
>>
>> On 5/30/07, *Dyung Le* <dyungle at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:dyungle at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>>
>>
>>     Dear CCCA,
>>
>>     I don't think aggressive hawking is a characteristics only of BN.
>>     I remember
>>     being in Puerto Rico, visiting some historial sites. The layout
>>     was a narrow
>>     pathways in between 2 rows of stalls. The hawking was extremely
>>     aggressive,
>>     quasi intimidating. It left quite a bad taste in my mouth
>>     regarding my
>>     experience in Puerto Rico.
>>
>>     Re the example given, I think people will hawk what they have to
>>     hawk. If
>>     they have sunglass, they'll try to sell sun glass. They don't have
>>     other
>>     stuff to sell so what can they do.
>>
>>     I do remember visiting some ancient temples in China. When we
>>     arrived the
>>     sky was clear. When we left, it was raining. I was amazed that the
>>     bus stop
>>     litterally is sprouting with vendors of umbrella and raincoat.
>>     Those guys
>>     made a killing!
>>
>>     I do aggree some tourism planning is needed. But I'm not sure how.
>>     Sometimes
>>     I do get bothered by agressive hawking, but then I realized that
>>     lots of
>>     these people make only 15,000 dong a day working 12-14 hours. So I
>>     stopped
>>     feeling so annoyed.
>>
>>     Dyung Le
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     ----Original Message Follows----
>>     From: Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov <mailto:Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov>
>>     Reply-To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net <mailto:vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
>>     To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net <mailto:vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
>>     CC: vnbiz at vietlinks.net <mailto:vnbiz at vietlinks.net>,
>>     vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com <mailto:vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com>
>>     Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
>>     Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:57:40 -0400
>>
>>     [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>>
>>
>>
>>     Hi Shane,
>>     As it is with international trade -- which tourism is a part where
>> the
>>     customers actually come to you -- Vietnam is on a learning curve
>>     without
>>     much appropriate help from the authorities. In earlier days,
>>     Vietnamese
>>     trade delegations would bring to America samples of products that
>>     are not
>>     marketable here. That doesn't happen much anymore.
>>     The local hawkers do not intend to pester the tourists. They just
>>     don't
>>     realize/understand the negative consequence of their hard work. The
>>     authorities' approach to hawkers appear to be binary; they are either
>>     banned altogether or allowed unfettered access to the tourists.
>>     Central
>>     or local authorities can really help by educating the hawkers to
>>     provide
>>     more of what is needed and wanted by the tourists and less of
>>     pestering.
>>     The example with your relatives' experience is a good case in
>>     point, and
>>     it's not unique. But they don't have a channel to give feed back to
>>     tourism authorities that are in a position to effect improvement.
>>     Whether
>>     they will actually do it is a different issue. A training session
>>     on how
>>     not to bother tourists and a suggested list of goods to sell,
>>     including
>>     sunscreen (though most tourists likely have their own) would be
>> simple
>>     things the authorities can do that can help both the local hawkers to
>>     provide the appropriate services and the tourists to enjoy their
>>     experience.
>>     I hear that Hoi An did a good job in planning a tourism policy.
>> Others
>>     may benefit from their best practices.
>>     I remember the hawkers at Angkor Wat who always stopped once you've
>>     entered the perimeter of a ruin. I appreciated the cold soda they
>>     offered
>>     me in the middle of a hot, sun drenched field and thought how I
>>     would have
>>     gladly paid more for it.
>>     Best, HPP
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     Shane Wall < shane.wall at translingualexpress.com
>>     <mailto:shane.wall at translingualexpress.com>>
>>     Sent by: vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com
>>     <mailto:vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com>
>>     05/29/2007 06:00 PM
>>     Please respond to
>>     vnbiz at vietlinks.net <mailto:vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
>>
>>
>>     To
>>     vnbiz at vietlinks.net <mailto:vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
>>     cc
>>
>>     Subject
>>     Re: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>>
>>     Dear CACC,
>>     The bay in Nha Trang may be beautiful, and worthy of World Heritage
>>     listing ( I don't believe it is currently listed. Can anybody show
>>     me a
>>     verifiable source that lists Vinh Nha Trang on the World Heritage
>>     list?
>>     I challenge you all!), but that is not the point.
>>
>>     The underlying point is this: How much of Vietnam's unique cultural
>>     and physical attractions should be 'adulterated' or 'changed' to
>>     cater
>>     for foreign tourists?
>>
>>     My initial thinking is NONE! Leave the attractions alone, but get
>>     much, much better at making the SERVICES which operate in and around
>>     those attractions more attractive to repeat visitors. We all know
>>     that
>>     lots of foreigners love to come to Vietnam. However, very, very few
>> of
>>     them come back for a second or third visit. Why?
>>
>>     According to my Mom and Aunty, who visited in April (Sai Gon, Tay
>>     Ninh, Hue, Da Nang, Hoi An, Pleiku, Vung Tau, Vinh Long - we got
>>     around
>>     a bit), they could not stand people pestering them at every turn.
>>     One of
>>     their overwhelming feelings and emotions about their Vietnam visit is
>>     that: "Vietnamese people just want to sell you s**t that you don't
>>     want
>>     or need. Why don't they understand that if I am wearing sunglasses, I
>>     don't need another pair. Why would he physically stop me and try
>>     to sell
>>     me something I obviously do not need?"
>>
>>     My feeble answer was "He's just trying to make a buck." My Mom wisely
>>     replied, "Well he would be much more successful if he tried to sell
>> me
>>     something I need. Can't he see my skin is as red as a b****y lobster?
>>     I'd buy some soothing sun-screen lotion from him, but another pair of
>>     sunglasses? Forget. What a loser!" - On the beach at Vung Tau.
>>
>>     Sadly, what foreign tourists WANT for a repeat visit is not what they
>>     get in Vietnam yet. That is why they go back to Thailand, Malaysia,
>>     Singapore, the Philippines, etc. many times, but seem to visit
>> Vietnam
>>     only once.
>>
>>     My 1000VND worth!
>>
>>     Shane
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Mr. Shane Wall
>>     Principal,
>>
>>     Trans Lingual Express
>>     120/14 Mai Thi Luu St,
>>     P. Dakao, Q.1, HCMC,
>>     Vietnam
>>
>>     Mail: shane.wall at translingualexpress.com
>>     <mailto:shane.wall at translingualexpress.com>
>>     Web: www.translingualexpress.com <http://www.translingualexpress.com>
>>
>>     Mbl: +84 (090) 9484 753 (Anh) - Tel: +84 (8) 820 9143 (Viet)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     Mercedes Benz wrote:
>>     > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>     >
>>     > Dear CACC,
>>     >
>>     > Both a. Duong and a. Thang are paritially correct (my opinion).
>>     Ithink
>>     > it s not Khanh Hoa's issue here.It is the complicated problem for
>>     > VNese government. Everyone knows money can be made but Heritage,
>>     > nature .. hardly can. The first thought came to me is Khanh Hoa is
>>     > such a ridiculous guy. really angry in mind. Yes, but think deeply
>>     > raised out a bad sign of governance.
>>     > "Co thuc moi vuc duoc dao". Despite the campaign for Vietnamese
>>     > tourism, I think it has not gained an achievement as we
>>     expected. And
>>     > Khanh Hoa has its own reason. However, does the decision of
>>     Khanh Hoa
>>     > province help much the poor or only the rich? Big question I think.
>>     >
>>     > Regarding the a. Hoanh 1st question: I think Khanh Hoa absolutely
>> do
>>     > not have such right. And the government MUST have their own
>> decision
>>     > for which they are fully responsible. If the can not deal it
>>     > appropriately, that will be the bad practice for other provinces.
>> It
>>     > will ruin our precious nature properties as well as culture and
>>     > tradition. Money can be good excuse for all circumstances!
>>     >
>>     > Secondly, education, our education need boosting and reforming more
>>     > and more. That is the key for our flourish and stable future.
>>     >
>>     > Finally, sorry to say that I do not know how we, VN citizens, can
>>     > contribute to the sustainable development of our country.
>>     >
>>     > It is really interesting to hear your ideas a bout that.
>>     >
>>     > Best regards,
>>     >
>>     > On 5/26/07, *Tran Dinh Hoanh* < tdhoanh at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:tdhoanh at gmail.com>
>>     > <mailto:tdhoanh at gmail.com <mailto:tdhoanh at gmail.com>> > wrote:
>>     >
>>     > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Dear CACC,
>>     >
>>     > Probably you have heard that Khanh Hoa authority was trying to do
>>     > some tourist develoment in Nha Trang Bay but the Ministry of
>>     > Culture and Information told it to stop because that would violate
>>     > the World Heriatage rules, Nha Trang Bay being a World Heritage
>>     > site. Then, the vice-chairman of Khanh Hoa's People's Committee
>>     > was quoted as saying that Nha Trang should request that its name
>>     > be withdrawn from the World Heritage list. (Previously, Khanh Hoa
>>     > authorities had submitted a petition to have Vinh Nha Trang named
>>     > as a World Heritage and that petition had been approved) (Please
>>     > see VNEpxress article below).
>>     >
>>     > Here are some issues I would like to hear your opinion on:
>>     >
>>     > 1. Does Nha Trang has the right to withdraw itself from being a
>>     > World Heritage site? What if the central government in Hanoi says
>>     > that Nha Trang cannot withdraw? Does the central government has
>>     > that right?
>>     >
>>     > 2. This guy in Nha Trang seems to think that environment
>>     > preservation hurts development. Does that make sense?
>>     > Please voice your opinion.
>>     >
>>     > Have a great day!
>>     >
>>     > Hoanh
>>     > _________________
>>     >
>>     >
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>>     > //
>>     >
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>>
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>>
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>>
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From nguyetdv at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  3 01:11:11 2007
From: nguyetdv at yahoo.com (Van Nguyet Do)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 01:11:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vnbiz] Staying to be a Leader -- capacity building for young
	leaders
Message-ID: <212992.27864.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

    
  Dear sis and bro, 
   
  To add some practical knowledge to the inspiring topic of Leadership, I am happy to see and then send you some training modules on capacity building for the leadership. Here is the link of the training materials from the UNDP Capacity Building Programmes for Young Leaders in Governance, please download, share and spread among our friends, friends of friends:
  http://regionalcentrebangkok.undp.or.th/practices/cap2015/rlcaw-aylgpw.htm#background 
    
>From the materials of these leadership modules, there are five leadership capacity skills: 
a) leadership overview and leadership styles; 
b) systems thinking for transformational change; 
c) conflict resolution and negotiation; 
d) cross-cultural communications for leadership; and 
e) team building and networking. 

In addition, thematic modules on gender, anti-corruption, indigenous peoples, and capacity development, are being prepared by UNDP to supplement the course.

   
  From Vietnam, we have 3 young sisters attending the regional Leadership Capacity Building workshop in Bangkok last July. And here is some notes of mine: 

  
"...there were so many young, active people from China, Mongolia, Pakistan, South East Asia (the first time i have ever met Mongolians ^_^). The most moving talk and one of my most remembering moments is the keynote speech from Senator Jon Ungphakorn. His simple talk mentioned the "moral integrity", one of the biggest challenges to young people. Young people were taught good attitude, morals, values by teachers, parents and are faced (conflicted) with different systems of norms in the real world, especially in Asia. Young people change or not? How brave young leaders need to be in order to remain unchanged? 

He also noted that leadership is not about individual, it's collective leadership, network, friendships!"

  
And if sis and bro are interested in developing training programs for youth and young leaderships, particularly on sustainability and system thinking, please contact, I am very, very happy to share enthusiasm. 
   
  Stay to be a leader and build collective leadership :), 
  
Nguyet



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Nam Dinh Urban Development Project

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  Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov wrote:
  [ Vietnam Business Forum ]


Dear anh Hoanh et al. 
I don't think we can blame this on the Chinese or the French.  The Japanese, Korean, and the Chinese themselves don't exactly have traditions of showering praises on their children either.  In fact, even the European, most notably the British, are known to raise their children very sternly, with strong discipline. 
The West's "Spare the rod, spoil the child" is very much the same value as the East's "Thuong cho roi cho vot, ghet cho ngoc cho bui"! 
In my observation, the approach of more encouragement and less criticism is a relatively modern approach endemic to wealthier and more free societies in which there are more opportunities/career choices.  Where choices and opportunities are more limited,and competition keener, parents will tend  to be tougher on their children in a sometime misguided but always sincere effort to secure  a more secure future for their children.  Any observant Vietnamese child knows that he has his parent's love and support just by looking at what they do instead of listening to what they say.  In fact Vietnames parents often praise their own kids behind their backs, if the neighbors don't do it first. 
Best,  HPP 



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[ Vietnam Business Forum ]

Dear Sis. Thu Huong & CACC, 
  
Superb question, Thu Huong.  How do we know ourselves? And when the folks in authority focus more on blaming and punishment than in praising and encouragement. how does a person know what she is good at? 
  
Why our culture focuses more on blaming and punishing than on praising and encouraging is an interesting question.  As we grow up, we hear the adults say things like "You shouldn't praise them, because they will become arrogant." I used to accept that explanation as a good explanation.  But the damage of that kind of punishing behavior is so big.  It really destroys the kid's confidence and stops him from developing his full potentials.   
  
I believe that such behavior comes from the fact that for thousands of years the Chinese dominated us, plus a hundred years of the French.  These rulers did not want to treat us Vietnamese with dignity and did not want us to have any confidence in ourselves.  So they constantly made us feel inferior and stupid.  So they focused heavily on blaming and beating.  And we just internalized such behavior and did the same thing  to ourselves.  This is the "abused-child syndrom." 
  
The potentials in each of us are like little little plants, and encouragement is like water.  If we praise a person constantly and encourage that person constantly, regardless of whether he wins or loses in a game, his plants will grow into giant trees some day.  If we keep harassing him for "doing bad," he will wither away.  This is true in family, school and the work place. 
  
I am not saying that we should not have constructive criticism once in a while.  But the ratios should be like this:  At least 75 percent praising and at max 25 percent criticism is good.  Less praising and more criticism than these ratios is bad for development, both personal and communal.  If you want you kid to do well, praise them more often than criticising them.  If you want your company to do well, praise your employees constantly and criticize them rarely. 
  
This issue is not only for the individual, it tremendously effects our national development.  Great question, Thu Huong. 
  
Have a good day! 
  
Hoanh 
  
  
On 5/12/07, huong dang thu <hdangthu at gmail.com > wrote: 
[ Vietnam Business Forum ]



Dear bro & sis, 
  
Thanks for your sharing about values. 
  
Please let me ask 1 more question for today: How can we know that we are possessing some values? 
  
It sounds like an unreasonable question.  But I'm serious about this. For that Vietnamese culture is a very 'modest' culture. So that we have trend not to give compliment. (eg, my parents never tell me that I do sth good. Very frequently, I should realize if I'm good by myself). Luckily that my parents let me detect myself so that I learn from different communities that I have possess some value (that I can sing well, I can write well, I can be a good leader if I follow my kind heart). 
I think that I'm lucky. But many of my friends, Vietnamese students really don't know how good they are. When they answer the question "What is your abilities?", I bet that they would say "I don't have any ability". (though I usually find many abilities that they have). 
This will come to the result that we are not confident. And if we are not confident about ourselves, I think we will meet many of struggles, and the struggle may not come from the outside environment but from inside us first. 
  
So, to know that we are possessing some values is not easy, I think. Especially sometimes, the environment prevents us from showing these values. Eg: years ago, 'obedience' is a great value that most of parents expect from their children. The obedient child will be considered as wonderful child. Now, we expect our children to be creative, to 'think it different', to be 'crazy'. I believe that many of today obedient adult once were the very creative children. But in the days that everyone appreciates the 'obedience' value, how can they know that 'creativity' is also a great value that they should pursue? 
  
Some wondering, 
Nice weekend, bro &sis! 
HeO 
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Sun Jun  3 07:00:27 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:00:27 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Welcome brother Dang The Duc into VNBIZ
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50706030700x4223f14t6036d66ddc2f09e3@mail.gmail.com>

Dear CACC,

Please join to welcome brother Dang The Duc into our VNBIZ family.

Borther Duc duc.dang at indochinecounsel.com is a managing partner at a legal
firm, *Indochine Counsel, *Unit 4A2, 4th Floor, Han Nam Office Bldg., 65
Nguyen Du, District 1, Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam , *t* +848... |* **f*
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**w* www.indochinecounsel.com

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Brother Duc has kindly sent us an introduction to his law firm, which is
attached to this message.  Thank you and welcome in, brother Duc.  Please
accept my apology for processing your subscription request too slowly.

We have quite a few lawyers in this family.  We would love to hear from you
as well as all other lawyers once in awhile, because building the legal
system is the biggest, most important on-going project in the
modern Vietnam.

Great day, brother Duc & all.

Hoanh


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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Sun Jun  3 08:52:24 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:52:24 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership: Lee Iacocca -- Where Have All the Leaders Gone?
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50706030852h4b85cc27s46503c19bb4dec29@mail.gmail.com>

Dear CACC,

I am reading Lee Iacocca's "Where Have All the Leaders Gone?"  This is a
book about the political leaders of the US, but it does mention leader
qualities in general.

Lee Iacocca is well-known as a great industrial leader.  During the 80's
when Chrysler, the number-three US car maker, was in bankruptcy, Lee
Iacocca  was hired to work as Chrysler president.  He brought Chrysler out
of bankruptcy and turned it into the most profitable car company then.

In Chapter I of the book, Iacocca mentions the 9 qualities of a leader,
which he puts in his "C list."

1.  Curiosity:  Leader has to listen to people outside the "Yes, sir" crowd
in his inner circle.  He has to read voraciously, because the world is a
big, complicated place.

2.  Communicate: "I'm not talking about running off at the mouth or spouting
sound bites.  I'm talking about facing reality and telling the truth."

3.  Character:  That means knowing the difference between right and wrong
and having the guts to do the right thing.

4.  Courage:  Courage means talking a position even when you know it will
cost you.

5.  Conviction:  Fire in your belly.

6.  Charisma:  Charisma is the quality that makes people want to follow
you.  It's the ability to inspire.  People follow a leader because they
trust him/her.

7.  Competence:  You've got to know what you're doing.  More important than
that, you've got to surround yourself with people who know what they're
doing.

8.  Common sense:  "If you don't know a dip of horseshit from a dip of
vanilla ice cream, you'll never make it."

9.  Crisis"  Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of
crisis.  It's easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk
theory.  Or send someone else's kids off to war when you've never seen a
battlefield yourself.  It's another thing to lead when your world comes
tumbling down.

In chapter II, Iacocca talks about management (i.e., how to lead) simply:

"In my forty-eight years in the auto industry, I probably made six hundred
speeches about management.  Since my retirement, I've made many more.  And
I've always said the same thing: '*Here's what management is about:  Pick
good people and set the right priorities.'*  For the most part my audiences
thought they were getting their money's worth.  But sometimes I had to shake
my head in disbelief.  They're paying me for *that?*
**
"The point is, there's nothing magic about it.  People and priorities.  It's
that simple. This advice applies whether you're running a company or a
country.  If you think about it, it holds true for every organization and
institution."

Have a great day!

Hoanh

-- 
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 02:44:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vnbiz] Recruitment Opportunities
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From lien.bb at gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 02:58:13 2007
From: lien.bb at gmail.com (Bui Bich Lien)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:58:13 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay - posting of photos with large sizes
In-Reply-To: <4660e495.1ebe7589.713a.ffffe4c0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <009401c7a68e$e1066cd0$f500a8c0@Ennis>


Dear CACC,

I'd like to ask you a favor regarding messages with large attachments. 

Would you please try to compress or decrease the size of a large file when
posting it to the forum?  It is obviously great to see a photo in real size,
but I've been experiencing some significant disruption to this email and
also my work email because of large attachments (I'm using outlook express
for both emails).  

Thank you very much for your understanding.  It is much appreciated.

Lien

-----Original Message-----
From: vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com [mailto:vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com]
On Behalf Of Nhung
Sent: June 2, 2007 10:19 AM
To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net
Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay

[ Vietnam Business Forum ]



From httmail at gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 03:07:38 2007
From: httmail at gmail.com (Hoang Thanh)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:07:38 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] quy hoach TP HCM
Message-ID: <ef2a19d00706040307s44500c94r74f93e85cb301f16@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone
I have been searching on Town Planning of Ho Chi Minh City , (Quy hoach
TPHCM), in order to make a TV program about this issue, mot cach tong quat
nhat. I wonder if there is anyone in VNBiz who expert in this matter?i
really need advice or ideas to start, Thank you very much..

-- 
Hoang Thanh Thanh
Vietnam Digital Television VTC
8D Nguyen Thi Minh Khai- Q.1-TP.HCM
Tel:  (08) 9106476
Fax: (08) 911.1140
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From a.ledieu at gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 03:48:22 2007
From: a.ledieu at gmail.com (LeDieu Anh)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:48:22 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] quy hoach TP HCM
In-Reply-To: <ef2a19d00706040307s44500c94r74f93e85cb301f16@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef2a19d00706040307s44500c94r74f93e85cb301f16@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <741a234c0706040348g6e1e8304ma10bc6f46665a100@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Thanh,

Why don't you contact with Dept of Planning and Architecture at 168 Pasteur
or Urban Planning Institute at 216 Nguyen Dinh Chieu? Do you have any
problem? Do you need any help?

Regards,
Dieu Anh

On 6/4/07, Hoang Thanh <httmail at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
> Hello everyone
> I have been searching on Town Planning of Ho Chi Minh City , (Quy hoach
> TPHCM), in order to make a TV program about this issue, mot cach tong quat
> nhat. I wonder if there is anyone in VNBiz who expert in this matter?i
> really need advice or ideas to start, Thank you very much..
>
> --
> Hoang Thanh Thanh
> Vietnam Digital Television VTC
> 8D Nguyen Thi Minh Khai- Q.1-TP.HCM
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From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Mon Jun  4 04:39:32 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:39:32 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Vietnam President to visit U.S. on June 22
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF413DA@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Vietnam President to visit U.S. on June 22 By Grant McCool 

6/4/2007
 


HANOI (Reuters) - President Nguyen Minh Triet will visit U.S.        President George W. Bush in the White House on June 22 at a time when Washington is applying pressure on Vietnam over the trials and jailing of political activists. 


 
A U.S. Embassy official said on Monday that a formal invitation has been made to Triet, who will be the first Vietnamese head of state to visit Washington since the end of the U.S. war in Vietnam in 1975.

The two countries established diplomatic relations in 1995 and friendly ties are largely founded on trade and business.

"The White House meeting will take place on June 22," the embassy official said.

Triet, who is expected to be greeted by protests in support of Vietnam's tiny dissident community, is making the trip to reciprocate Bush's state visit to the communist-run country last November around the time of an Asia-Pacific summit in Hanoi.

The relationship between the former enemies has matured in the last 12 years to encompass trade and business, military ties, education and fighting diseases such as        HIV/        AIDS and bird flu.

"I believe there is a recognition on both sides that individual events should not be an obstacle to continued dialogue aimed at strengthening ties," said Tom Vallely, head of the Vietnam program at the Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

The United States, along with the        European Union, has condemned a series of trials since March in which at least seven proponents of a multi-party system were jailed for between three and eight years.

Western governments have also called for their release and the release of other dissidents opposed to one-party rule.

Last week, Bush met Vietnamese-American supporters of the dissidents at the White House.

The Vietnamese President is also expected to visit New York and Los Angeles, diplomatic sources said. His entourage will include representatives of Vietnam business.

Among the issues to be discussed are efforts to clean up so-called "hot spots" of dioxin, commonly known as "agent orange" from three former American wartime air bases.

"This issue is important and we are pleased that we are having more ongoing conversations about that," a U.S. Embassy official said.

The issue has long been sensitive in the relationship, but last year Hanoi and Washington set a new tone in discussing it.

However, a Vietnamese victims group has pursued a lawsuit against U.S. chemical manufacturers. Coincidentally, a hearing in the case is scheduled for June 18 in New York while Triet is in the United States.

Dioxin is a small compound within the "agent orange" herbicide that the Americans used to defoliate the jungles where communist troops were based, but it is one of the most toxic compounds known, scientists say.

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Mon Jun  4 04:46:01 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:46:01 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Foreign investors in Vietnam taking a new look at Danang
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF413DB@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>



Foreign investors in Vietnam taking a new look at Danang
Ties to Oakland, other California locales evidence that economy about to take off
Jessica Meyers, Special to The Chronicle

Sunday, June 3, 2007

 

(06-03) 04:00 PDT Danang, Vietnam -- Twelve years ago, Michael Emmerich pulled his ailing Berkeley industrial paint company out of the sleepy coastal city of Danang almost as quickly as he started it here. Now he'd like to return to Vietnam, which has become more serious about attracting investors. 

"It was slow and arduous getting anything done," Emmerich said of the former joint venture in Danang. "We had different expectations'' from the state-owned joint venture partner. "We overestimated the capacity to get products sold, and they were used to moving at a slower rate." 

Emmerich still runs the family-owned Precision Technical Coatings, based near Berkeley's marina. But he chides himself for not having the foresight to invest in a hotel on Danang's white-sand beaches or maintaining business contacts in the city. "Sooner or later it's going to be a force to be reckoned with," he said. 

Danang is evidence that Vietnam -- the newest member of the World Trade Organization -- has increased investment opportunities in tourism and industry beyond Hanoi, the official capitol in the north, and Ho Chi Minh City, the industrial capitol in the south. In fact, many say Danang is poised to become a vital gateway to California and Southeast Asia. 

Silver Shores Ltd., a San Francisco investment company, has just signed an $86 million joint venture deal to build a resort and casino complex on Danang's famous China Beach. And Adi Simayof, president of San Francisco's Simayof Jewelers, is part of a group planning to develop an information-technology school and establish outsourcing companies in Danang. 

"When you look at Vietnam, one of the main assets is its low-cost labor," Simayof said. "Being in the center of Vietnam, Danang's labor cost is going to be 30 to 40 percent lower than Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City." 

In the past few years, Danang has widened its streets for the growing number of cars, and a line of high-priced restaurants now leads out of the city. Traffic flies across the new navy-blue Han Bridge, a testament to the city's development and a point of pride for Danang authorities, who use the bridge as part of the city's logo. 

Yet Danang still has the pace of a small town. The new Wi-Fi caf?s shut their doors by 10 p.m. and most activity occurs in the early morning and late afternoon on the embarcadero along the Han River. Before 6 a.m., fish cover the tile on a stretch along the river as shoppers select items for dinner and step around elderly women practicing tai chi. In the evening, boys play soccer and young couples steal kisses while watching the sunset. 

Although still seemingly provincial, Danang is the fourth-largest city in the country and its economic growth rate of 13 percent far outpaced the national rate of 8 percent. Per capita income in the city is $1,015, which is 1.5 times that of Vietnam's average. Danang has the country's only international airport besides Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City. Flights are often fully booked, although they don't yet serve cities beyond Singapore, Bangkok and Taiwan. 

The city's U.S.-built seaport and its bustling river port, a remnant of French colonial rule, have drawn the attention of the Port of Oakland, which signed a cooperation agreement with Danang Port last year. The two cities are working on establishing a sister city relationship. 

Vietnam is now California's fastest growing market for exports, and the United States is Vietnam's largest trading partner. Last year, Vietnam exported $8.5 billion worth of goods to the United States, mostly textiles, footwear, seafood and crude oil. The United States shipped $1.1 billion into Vietnam, of which $258 million came from California, mostly transportation equipment, computers, machinery, chemicals and agricultural crops. 

"It's a golden opportunity for investors," said the World Bank's Hung Pham Cuong who says Danang's key coastal position and expanding road network could make it "the second Singapore." 

Danang is a city of mixed memories, having earned a reputation as the scenic recuperation spot for American soldiers during the Vietnam War. The city also saw intense fighting as the historically significant dividing line between North and South Vietnam. Twenty years later, when companies like Emmerich's attempted to enter the market, Danang illustrated that Vietnam was not quite ready for foreign investment. Businesses were confounded by bureaucratic snafus, inadequate infrastructure, and ignorance about how to advertise their goods and services. 

Today, Vietnam's newspapers are filled with stories about new investments in high-rise commercial and residential buildings in the north and new industrial parks in the south. One of the fastest growing economies in the world, Vietnam's total foreign direct investment is booming and expected to reach more than $20 billion this year, twice that of 2006. Danang attracted only $450 million of foreign direct investment last year, but that's seven times more than two years ago. The number of foreign investment projects has increased tenfold during this same time period, a key sign of investor confidence in this emerging market. 

"Ho Chi Minh City is like New York, Hanoi is like Washington and Danang is like California," said Nguyen Quan Tuan from Danang's Foreign Affairs Department. "Everybody has to come here at some point, and it has one of the most beautiful beaches in the world." 

California, which has the largest Vietnamese community outside of the country, holds a mystique among the youth who dot the streets of Danang. More than half of Vietnam's population is under 30. It's not uncommon to hear the word "Hollywood" or stilted English lyrics of "California Dreaming" when the state is mentioned. 

Nguyen, 28, who studied business management at Azuza Pacific University 26 miles northeast of Los Angeles, is part of the Vietnamese contingent helping to coordinate the sister-city relationship. "But signing is different than doing," he said, noting that it takes more than a formal agreement to spur development. 

City officials need foreign investment to finance a proposal aimed for 2010 that would make Danang both a central tourism hub and a thriving commercial center. Plans include a resort strip of five-star hotels stretching from the Furama Resort -- one of the most famous luxury hotels in the country -- along China Beach to Hoi An. Already, investors like San Francisco's Silver Shores are acting on the offer; most of the land has been sold. The city has five industrial parks but hopes to have another one as well as an additional seaport by 2020. 

Authorities also hope the new international highway that ends at Danang's port will increase trade and make Danang the new gateway to the Pacific Ocean. The road, financed by $2.5 billion from the Asian Development Bank, is called the East-West Corridor and stretches from Myanmar through Laos and Thailand and eases the transport of goods from more remote areas in Southeast Asia to markets abroad. 

Emmerich's former partner company, the state-owned Danang Chemical Industries Co. is seizing the opportunity now. It earns $1 million annually making detergent, plastics and fertilizer instead of paint, and plans to expand to Ho Chi Minh City. 

"Joint ventures have a much better chance now," said chief executive officer Nguyen Dinh Huynh who cited poor marketing, confusion about production responsibilities and a tiny domestic market as reasons for the previous joint venture failure. Now, he said, it's not even necessary to commit to a partnership. Foreign companies can invest alone and avoid the misunderstandings that sometimes make partnering difficult. 

"Danang is positioned to be the primary entrepreneur for international trade," said Michael White, editor of the Caltrade Report Web site, which monitors the state's trade. 

Still, some Danang business executives are concerned that the city's obvious ambition and drive have yet to attract a major global company. They also worry that the city's development plan does not focus enough on the industrial sector. "Danang just needs one company like Intel," Nguyen said, referring to the new $1 billion microchip assembly plant funded by the Silicon Valley computer company in Ho Chi Minh City. "Everyone says investment is good in Danang, but they can't remember even one name." 

The evolving sister city relationship with Oakland, and the port's growing role in international trade, mean that multinationals, as well as small California companies like Emmerich's, may be lured to Danang. 

"California has to benefit," White said. "Everything moves into and out of California. It's a revolving door for trade between Asia and the United States. It's a producer of and market for, and not every state can say that." 

As the Danang-Oakland Port relationship develops, California will have more opportunity to take advantage of Danang's exports, much of which come from the Central Highlands and the city's industrial parks, said Nguyen Thu, general director of Danang Port. He hopes the new relationship with the Port of Oakland will provide a direct route to ship closed containers of garments, furniture, tapioca and seafood. 

"Just as the port struggles to fill its new role, the city faces similar problems as it transitions to a thriving commercial city, said John Anner, executive director of the East Meets West Foundation, the largest nonprofit organization in Vietnam, with a hub in Oakland and Danang. The city needs to accommodate the new demand for skilled labor as well as the influx of people who are flocking to Danang from the countryside in search of jobs. To address these issues, the organization is constructing a hospital in downtown Danang and has just completed an English Language Center for one of the city's two universities. 

Nguyen from Danang's Foreign Affairs Department looked out at the Han river from his vantage point at an outdoor caf? across the street. He returned to Danang in 2004 because, he said, it was his obligation to help the city of his birth. Nguyen admits to missing Starbucks and tried to buy a franchise for Vietnam. The company refused. They wanted a joint venture. 

It wouldn't be the same anyway. Vietnamese coffee with condensed milk still tastes better, he insisted. It's the same with Danang's me quang, a thick noodle soup with fish, beef or chicken and thin springy greens. It tastes best consumed in slurps while sitting on red plastic stools outside. It comes from vendors who cook the local dish on the street in large metal pots. 

"They don't have that in California," he said. 

This article appeared on page G - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle

From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 04:57:58 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:57:58 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] One-Year Volunteer Opportunity at Public Health School in
	Vietnam (July 10, 2007-June 30 2008)
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50706040457w1459b36ds534fcda6a4f57c74@mail.gmail.com>

Dear CAC,

FYI.

Hoanh

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Christine Tran <vietnam at viaprograms.org>
Date: May 30, 2007 6:52 PM
Subject: [VNPH Family] Fwd: [health-vn] New Email List: The Vietnam Public
Heath Forum (VNPH).One-Year Volunteer Opportunity at Public Health School in
Vietnam (July 10, 2007-June 30 2008)
To: vnph at mail.saigon.com, outlook124 at gmail.com


[Vietnam Public Health Forum]



One-Year Volunteer Opportunity at Public Health School in Vietnam (July 10,
2007-June 30 2008)

Volunteers in Asia (VIA) is looking for a volunteer to teach English to
public health students at the Hanoi School of Public Health in Vietnam, from
July 10, 2007 to June 30, 2008.  Volunteers will receive partial airfare,
living/housing stipend, insurance, language training and in-country
support.  VIA is a Bay Area based nonprofit which has been providing
volunteer opportunities in Asia since 1963.  VIA currently offers 1- to
2-year volunteer opportunities in Vietnam, China, Indonesia, Laos and
Myanmar (Burma).

Volunteer Role:
The volunteer will teach English for Public Health to undergraduate and
master's students in public health. With the right background, the volunteer
will also be asked to coordinate and teach refresher workshops to teachers
at secondary medical schools from all over the northern and central
regions.  The position is for one year and begins July 10, 2007.

Qualifications:
We are looking for graduating seniors or graduate students with an interest
and/or background in public health.

How to Apply:
An application is available online and must be completed and submitted to
our office by June 8, 2007.  A program fee is required for participation and
covers: partial airfare, visa, emergency medical and evacuation insurance, a
2-week TESOL training in Chiang Mai, Thailand, a 3-week orientation in
Hanoi, Vietnam, language training, ground transportation, monthly living
stipend, housing, annual conference, and in-country staff support. Please
refer to our website at www.viaprograms.org for more information.  Please
write to Christine Tran at vietnam at viaprograms.org if you have any
questions.

Christine Tran
Vietnam Program Director
VIA (formerly Volunteers in Asia)
965 Mission Street, Suite 751
San Francisco, CA 94103
Phone: 415.904.8033
www.viaprograms.org
vietnam at viaprograms.org


-- 
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 04:59:55 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:59:55 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Our Right to the Highest Sustainable Standards of Health
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50706040459j2d8efd05lefdd6b457f9c4ac0@mail.gmail.com>

Dear CACC,

Here is a new human right for you to know.

Have a great day!

Hoanh

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Nel van Beelen <nel at ifhhro.org>
Date: May 28, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: [VNPH Family] [ESCR-Right-to-Health] New fact sheet on the
Right to Health
To: ESCR-Right-to-Health at yahoogroups.com

[Vietnam Public Health Forum]


A new fact sheet, the first of a series, was published recently by
IFHHRO (International Federation of Health and Human Rights
Organisations) and the Human Rights Centre of the University of Essex.
Paul Hunt, the Special Rapporteur on the Right to Health, is a
Professor at the Human Rights Centre. The fact sheet, entitled "Our
right to the highest attainable standard of health", aims to provide a
very short, concise and accessible introduction to the right to the
highest attainable standard of health, which is especially suitable for
people without much prior knowledge of the issue. In 8 pages, it is
described what is the right to health, who is responsible for ensuring
this right, how those responsible can be held accountable, and why it
is important to integrate the right to health into policy making.

Download PDF: http://www.ifhhro.org/files/Factsheet_Our_RtH_2007.pdf

__._,_.___


-- 
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC

From duc.dang at indochinecounsel.com  Mon Jun  4 05:08:24 2007
From: duc.dang at indochinecounsel.com (Dang The Duc)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:08:24 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Welcome brother Dang The Duc into VNBIZ
In-Reply-To: <fe5aabf50706030700x4223f14t6036d66ddc2f09e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200706041912718.SM01256@pc02>

Dear Anh Hoanh & CACEs, 

 

Thanks Anh Hoanh for your kind words. It is very nice for me to join VNBIZ
family. I find VNBIZ a very good place to exchange ideas and share knowledge
between us for the modern Vietnam. Advanced legal system would be vital for
the development of the country. And I am happy to be here and to share with
you all. 

 

Have great week to you all!

 

Regards, 

Duc 

Indochine Counsel 

 

  _____  

From: vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com [mailto:vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com]
On Behalf Of Tran Dinh Hoanh
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:00 PM
To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net
Subject: [Vnbiz] Welcome brother Dang The Duc into VNBIZ

 

Dear CACC, 

 

Please join to welcome brother Dang The Duc into our VNBIZ family.

 

Borther Duc duc.dang at indochinecounsel.com is a managing partner at a legal
firm,  Indochine Counsel, Unit 4A2, 4th Floor, Han Nam Office Bldg., 65
Nguyen Du, District 1, Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam , t +848... | f +848... 

m +84 (0) 9... | sky Ducdanglegal e  <mailto:duc.dang at indochinecounsel.com>
duc.dang at indochinecounsel.com | w  <http://www.indochinecounsel.com/>
www.indochinecounsel.com 

 

Brother Duc has kindly sent us an introduction to his law firm, which is
attached to this message.  Thank you and welcome in, brother Duc.  Please
accept my apology for processing your subscription request too slowly.  

 

We have quite a few lawyers in this family.  We would love to hear from you
as well as all other lawyers once in awhile, because building the legal
system is the biggest, most important on-going project in the modern
Vietnam. 

 

Great day, brother Duc & all.

 

Hoanh

 


-- 
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC 

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From duongphh at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jun  4 06:58:08 2007
From: duongphh at yahoo.co.uk (Pham Hoang Duong)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:58:08 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Vnbiz] The Educated Giant
Message-ID: <20070604135808.62848.qmail@web86904.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>


Dear CACC,

Just found good art from The New York Times abt education. How long do you think we can catch up with them? 20, 50 years, few centuries or never??????

**************************
The Educated Giant


May 28, 2007

Op-Ed Columnist

By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

Taishan, China

With China?s trade surplus with the United States soaring, the
tendency in the U.S. will be to react with tariffs and other barriers.
But instead we should take a page from the Chinese book and respond by
boosting education.

One reason China is likely to overtake the U.S. as the world?s most
important country in this century is that China puts more effort into
building human capital than we do.

This area in southern Guangdong Province is my wife?s ancestral
hometown. Sheryl?s grandparents left villages here because they thought
they could find better opportunities for their children in ?Meiguo? ?
?Beautiful Country,? as the U.S. is called in Chinese. And they did. At
Sheryl?s family reunions, you feel inadequate without a doctorate.

But that educational gap between China and America is shrinking
rapidly. I visited several elementary and middle schools accompanied by
two of my children. And in general, the level of math taught even in
peasant schools is similar to that in my kids? own excellent schools in
the New York area.

My kids? school system doesn?t offer foreign languages until the
seventh grade. These Chinese peasants begin English studies in either
first grade or third grade, depending on the school.

Frankly, my daughter got tired of being dragged around schools and
having teachers look patronizingly at her schoolbooks and say, ?Oh, we
do that two grades younger.?

There are, I think, four reasons why Chinese students do so well.

First, Chinese students are hungry for education and advancement and
work harder. In contrast, U.S. children average 900 hours a year in
class and 1,023 hours in front of a television.

Here in Sheryl?s ancestral village, the students show up at school
at about 6:30 a.m. to get extra tutoring before classes start at 7:30.
They go home for a lunch break at 11:20 and then are back at school
from 2 p.m. until 5. They do homework every night and weekend, and an
hour or two of homework each day during their eight-week summer
vacation.

The second reason is that China has an enormous cultural respect for
education, part of its Confucian legacy, so governments and families
alike pour resources into education. Teachers are respected and
compensated far better, financially and emotionally, in China than in
America.

In my last column, I wrote about the boomtown of Dongguan, which had
no colleges when I first visited it 20 years ago. The town devotes 21
percent of its budget to education, and it now has four universities.
An astonishing 58 percent of the residents age 18 to 22 are enrolled in
a university.

A third reason is that Chinese believe that those who get the best
grades are the hardest workers. In contrast, Americans say in polls
that the best students are the ones who are innately the smartest. The
upshot is that Chinese kids never have an excuse for mediocrity.

Chinese education has its own problems, including bribes and fees to
get into good schools, huge classes of 50 or 60 students, second-rate
equipment and lousy universities. But the progress in the last
quarter-century is breathtaking.

It?s also encouraging that so many Chinese will shake their heads
over this column and say it really isn?t so. They will complain that
Chinese schools teach rote memorization but not creativity or love of
learning. That kind of debate is good for the schools and has already
led to improvements in English instruction, so that urban Chinese
students can communicate better in English than Japanese or South
Koreans.

After I visited Sheryl?s ancestral village, I posted a video of it
on the Times Web site. Soon I was astonished to see an excited posting
on my blog from a woman who used to live in that village.

Litao Mai, probably one of my distant in-laws, grew up in a house
she could see on my video. Her parents had only a third grade
education, but she became the first person in the village to go to
college. She now works for Merrill Lynch in New York and describes
herself as ?a little peasant girl? transformed into ?a capitalist on
Wall Street.?

That is the magic of education, and there are 1.3 billion more behind Ms. Mai.

So let?s not respond to China?s surpluses by putting up trade
barriers. Rather, let?s do as we did after the Soviet Union?s launch of
Sputnik in 1957: raise our own education standards to meet the
competition.



You are invited to comment on this column at Mr. Kristof?s blog, www.nytimes.com/ontheground.

*********************





Pham Hoang Duong
 
Maersk Broker Singapore
 
 











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From nvdungwwf at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  4 18:48:22 2007
From: nvdungwwf at yahoo.com (Nguyen Viet Dung)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:48:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vnbiz] A Press Release on 2007 World Environmental Day 5 June
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Press Release 

   
  PanNature and Science & Life Newspaper Join Force for Better Environmental Reporting in Vietnam 

  Hanoi, June 5th 2007 

   
  People and Nature Reconciliation (PanNature) and Science and Lice Newspaper welcome this year??????s World Environment Day by an agreement to join force in strengthening environmental reporting in Vietnam. Editors of PanNature??????s online magazine ThienNhien.Net will team up with reporters at Science and Life to carry out field environmental investigation missions, in addition to focal campaigns in this two-year memorandum of agreement.  

  ??????We have looked for opportunities to work with the media and learn from them. PanNature and Science and Life Newspaper share common interests in our wish to raise awareness of the public on environmental problems and crisis in Vietnam??????. Mr. Trinh Le Nguyen, Director of PanNature said. ??????We are very proud to work with one of the most experienced scientific newspapers in Vietnam??????.   

   
  ThienNhien.Net registered as an online news medium under License No. 32/GP-BC of the Ministry of Culture and Information. Its editorial team consists of four full-time staff and is backed up by over 80 volunteer contributors (translators and writers), associate journalists, and Vietnamese scientists and researchers. ThienNhien.Net has been online since 2003 and gained a growing number of loyal readers. 

   
  For more details, please contact: 
  Hai Linh Do
  Communications Manager
  ????T: (0)4 556 4001
  Fax: (00)4 556 8941
  Email: linh at nature.org.vn
  http://www.ThienNhien.Net  
 

   
  People and Nature Reconciliation (PanNature) is a Vietnamese not-for-profit organization. Established by a diverse group of dedicated Vietnamese environmental professionals, PanNature thinks creatively about solving the most salient environmental issues facing Vietnam. We use our wide experience, varied skills and contagious motivation to help lead a community-based movement to preserve Vietnam??????s natural heritage and promote sustainable development nationwide. We believe that this can only be achieved by mobilizing society and changing values. 

  Science and Life Newspaper is one of oldest scientific reporting media in Vietnam started in 1959. The newspaper has recently increased its circulation, as well as supplemental publications targeting at different groups of readership nation-wide. 




 
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From nhuung at gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 18:59:36 2007
From: nhuung at gmail.com (Nhung)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:59:36 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] quy hoach TP HCM
In-Reply-To: <ef2a19d00706040307s44500c94r74f93e85cb301f16@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Thanh,

Contact Hoa, xuanhoa.du at gmail.com... She understand quite deeply bout some
Real Estate Companies - that could be a cool angle to start from.

-nhung

 

NGUYEN HONG NHUNG

N & J

Mobile : +84 903 38 28 70

  _____  

From: vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com [mailto:vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com]
On Behalf Of Hoang Thanh
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:08 PM
To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net
Subject: [Vnbiz] quy hoach TP HCM

 

Hello everyone
I have been searching on Town Planning of Ho Chi Minh City , (Quy hoach
TPHCM), in order to make a TV program about this issue, mot cach tong quat
nhat. I wonder if there is anyone in VNBiz who expert in this matter?i
really need advice or ideas to start, Thank you very much.. 

-- 
Hoang Thanh Thanh
Vietnam Digital Television VTC
8D Nguyen Thi Minh Khai- Q.1-TP.HCM
Tel:  (08) 9106476
Fax: (08) 911.1140
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From nhuung at gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 19:04:06 2007
From: nhuung at gmail.com (Nhung)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:04:06 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay - posting of photos with large sizes
In-Reply-To: <009401c7a68e$e1066cd0$f500a8c0@Ennis>
Message-ID: <4664c49d.478d89e1.68eb.20eb@mx.google.com>

Hi Lien and CACC,
Sorry for sending big attached files. Just mean to show the real images.
Please take my apology for any troubles.
Sorry,
-nhung

NGUYEN HONG NHUNG
N & J
Mobile : +84 903 38 28 70

-----Original Message-----
From: vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com [mailto:vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com]
On Behalf Of Bui Bich Lien
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:58 PM
To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net
Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay - posting of photos with large sizes

[ Vietnam Business Forum ]


Dear CACC,

I'd like to ask you a favor regarding messages with large attachments. 

Would you please try to compress or decrease the size of a large file when
posting it to the forum?  It is obviously great to see a photo in real size,
but I've been experiencing some significant disruption to this email and
also my work email because of large attachments (I'm using outlook express
for both emails).  

Thank you very much for your understanding.  It is much appreciated.

Lien


From QuangAnh.Nguyen at dfat.gov.au  Mon Jun  4 19:22:21 2007
From: QuangAnh.Nguyen at dfat.gov.au (QuangAnh.Nguyen at dfat.gov.au)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:22:21 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay - posting of photos with large sizes
	[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
In-Reply-To: <009401c7a68e$e1066cd0$f500a8c0@Ennis>
Message-ID: <OF767970DD.C6F23565-ON472572F1.000C87BD-472572F1.000D085D@dfat.gov.au>



Dear CACC

Can I suggest a solution for this issue? It would be really helpful if
senders upload the photo in real size to flickr or photobucket.com, etc.
Then the email only refers to the link to the photo pages.

Hope that you may file it useful

Have a good day

----------------------------------------------
Nguyen Quang ANH








                                                                           
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[ Vietnam Business Forum ]


Dear CACC,

I'd like to ask you a favor regarding messages with large attachments.

Would you please try to compress or decrease the size of a large file when
posting it to the forum?  It is obviously great to see a photo in real
size,
but I've been experiencing some significant disruption to this email and
also my work email because of large attachments (I'm using outlook express
for both emails).

Thank you very much for your understanding.  It is much appreciated.

Lien

-----Original Message-----
From: vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com [mailto:vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com]
On Behalf Of Nhung
Sent: June 2, 2007 10:19 AM
To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net
Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay

[ Vietnam Business Forum ]


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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 19:37:31 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:37:31 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
In-Reply-To: <005901c7a4b1$aa5e1e50$0b00000a@your4105e587b6>
References: <OF415740D3.0A7313D3-ON852572EB.004EAD33-852572EB.00522F3B@mail.doc.gov>
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	<005901c7a4b1$aa5e1e50$0b00000a@your4105e587b6>
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50706041937r25ded1c6mf43130e4c124b02@mail.gmail.com>

Dear CACC,

Let's look at this Nha Trang Bay issue from a larger angle.  Let's
look at the governance issue and the people's participation into the
decision making process.

Obviously these guys in Khanh Hoa UBND  wants to do something like
shave some island bald and put on it a bunch of hotels and cement
blocks.  In this case, it is good that Ministery of Information and
Culture was involved to stop such activity, for now.  Here is my
concern.  I imagine most people in Nha Trang don't like such
"development," as brother Thien said emotionally.  (Brother Thien, I
grew up in Nha Trang.  I went to primary school in Truong Tieu Hoc Ha
Dua in Thanh, and attended 6th and 7th grade in Trung Hoc Vo Tanh, now
Ly Tu Trong.  So I am still hopelessly in love with Nha Trang).

1.   But the question is:  Do the people of Nha Trang have a right
into the decision making process?  The foreigners come and pay (above
the table and under the table); the officials probably have personal
reasons to agree with the foreigners, so they sign paperwork.  Do the
people of Nha Trang have any right to say anything in the matter
before the decision is made?  Is there a public hearing for citizens
to attend to raise their voice before a development project is
approved?   Government officials  make decision; but do the people
have the right to hear the matter and raise their voice before the
officials make the decision?

We have heard about democracy, grassroot democracy, dan lam chu (the
people is boss).  The truth is, the people have no say-so in many
matters that affect their life.  Why don't we just stop lying, and
start to design some system that let the people KNOW about a project
in advance and VOICE THEIR OPINION about that project before the
officials decide?

2.  The above question is for "the government."  Here is an idea for
"the people."  Can we VNBIZERs come up with a sytematic approach to
give the people a place to raise their voice on issues that affect
their life and their environment? Say, can we have a website about
Vinh Nha Trang, post relevant materials there, and let people come to
the site to voice their opinion.  And we can do that with every major
issue somewhere. each issue a website, such as a blog.

That is how to can give more voice to our people, make our country a
little more democratic, and give our government more feedback
channels.

Can come brother/sister come up with something?

Have a great day!

Hoanh

On 6/1/07, Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com> wrote:
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> Dear CACC,
>
> Toi vua di du lich o Nha Trang tu ngay chu nhat 27 den thu nam 31/5/2007 ve.
> Toi da di tham cac diem du lich nhu Hon Ngoc Viet Vin Pearl bang cap treo,
> tham cac dao trong vinh Nha Trang bang thuyen du lich, tham doc Let v.v...
> va v.v...
>
> Toi di vao luc ma moi noi o hi thuyen dung lai o hon Mun, khu sinh thai bien
> duy nhat tai Vietnam, khach du lich duoc mac ao phao va nhay xuong bien ngam
> san ho. Mot anh ban di chung tau sau khi leo tro ve thuyen da hoi ha chup
> cac thang canh tren vung vinh nay. Anh noi:
>
> -Chang biet vai nam toi khi tro lai NT, nguoi ta da huy diet cai thien nhien
> nay den muc nao roi?
>
> Noi xong vai cau, anh nem cai lon nuoc ngot xuong bien khien nguoi huong dan
> vien du lich tren thuyen phai hot hoang la lon:
>
> Xin qui khach dung xa rac xuong vung bien nay. Chung ta dung tai pham cai
> sai lam cua cha ong khi ....
>
> Mot anh nhan vien tren thuyen lay vot de vot cai lon nuoc ngot kia truoc khi
> no kip chim xung day bien ben nhung rang san ho dep huyen ao kia.
>
> den Doc Let tam trong mot sang nuoc bien em nhu mot cai ho lon.  Nhung nguoi
> dang tam o day vua vui dua vua voi va ngam
> nhin cai thien nhien long lay vi e rang vai nam nua, no se chang con. Dong
> thoi, ho cung phai ngamng
> nhin mat bien de tranh tam nhung noi dang noi leu beu nhung boc nylon dung
> rac va nhung mon can ba con sot lai cua nganh ky nghe khong khoi bui nhung
> day rac thai nay.
>
> Dung la giua phat trien kinh te va bao ve moi truong thien nhien luon luon
> co nhung buoc di nguoc chieu nhau. Toi thay trong cai lo lang cua nhung
> nguoi dan NT va nhung nguoi khach du lich den NT co cai lo lon nhat la hay
> giu lai nguyen trang cai hinh thu, dang voc cua nhung ngon nui, hay giu lai
> nguyen trang cai mau xanh thuc vat tren cac trien nui, giu lai nhung rang
> san ho nhung bay ca du mau sac so boi loi quanh do... HO yeu cau rat nhieu
> va hau nhu khong ai nghi den cau hoi rang:
>
> -Ai se la nguoi co nhiem vu bao ve cai thien nhien xinh dep ay?
>
> Hau het deu nghi rang chinh phu la nguoi co trach nhiem. Sau chinh phu thi
> la nguoi khac, nhung nguoi nao do khong phai la toi xin vui long dung xa rac
> dung lam o nhiem moi truong. co ve nhu cai y tuong bao ve thien nhien va bao
> ve moi truong dang duoc hieu nhu mot cai roi chi de danh nguoi khac ma khong
> danh chinh minh. Nguoi ta phan doi viec tan pha thien nhien va huy hoai moi
> truong cua nguoi khac mot cach het suc khat khe nhung lai tha thu va khoan
> dung cho hanh vi cua minh mot cach rat la "nhan tu". Anh ban cua toi sau khi
> hoi mac co vi cai lon bia nem xuong nuoc quay sang toi bao chua:
>
> -Nay gio tim mai chang thay cai gio rac tren tau de o cho nao nen minh vo y
> danh roi xuong nuoc.
>
> Co le, ban to chuc du lich cua chiec thuyen nay cung noi:
>
> -Minh ban ron cham soc khach hang nen sang nay vo y quen mang cai gio rac
> len thuyen...
>
> Toi sinh ra o NT nhung suot cuoc doi song tai Saigon. Toi yeu NT vo cung va
> cung cam thay dau long neu NT bi tan pha boi ban tay cua con nguoi. Ro rang
> khong phai la NT sap bi huy diet nhung NT dang bi huy diet mot cach vo to
> chuc. Sap toi day nguoi ta se huy diet no mot cach co to chuc hon. Nguoi
> ngoai cuoc nhu toi se cam thay ganh ty vi minh hong duoc tham du vao tro huy
> diet nay. biet dau, phai biet dau, neu toi cung co mot phan hun kha lon
> torng mot cai cong ty nao do se cat ngang cai dinh nui cua dao Hon Tre va
> dung len do mot khu vui choi nhu Vin Pearl, hay xay mot cai thap Ba giong
> nguoi Chiem Thanh da lam hoi the ky thu 8 sau CN, hoac nhu nguoi phap cat
> phang mot ngon doi giua long thanh pho de dung len nha tho Nui Nha Trang nam
> 1930... Nhung cai do the he cua toi da quen nhin va cam thay hai long roi tu
> cho rang phai co Thap Ba, Nha Tho Nui, tuong Phat Thich Ca thi moi la Nha
> Trang. Nhung neu cat Hon Tre hay duc vao cac vach nui da chung quanh NT va
> khac len do nhung buc chan dung cac lanh tu nhu Quang Trung, Le Loi, Ho Chi
> Minh thi dong nghia voi tan pha Nha Trang? Biet dau va biet dau 100 nam toi,
> the he sau se cho rang phai co cac buc tuong nu the, phai cat ngan cai chop
> nui cua Hon Tre nhu the thi moi la Nha Trang?
>
> Toi nho cai hom o New York gap mot co gai nguoi Alaska. Chi nay khoe voi toi
> rang chi la nguoi Eskimo va torng nhom bao ton van hoa Eskimo. Chi ke rang
> thanh nien Eskimo ngay nay song song voi viec hoc tai cac truong high
> schools, ho cung duoc hoc cach danh bat ca, cach xay nha tuyet igloo v.v...
> Toi hoi chi ay rang vay chi con noi duoc tieng Eskimo khong? chi lac dau.
>
> Toi roi Nha Trang vao sang thu nam 31/5 ma long cu phan van mai voi cau hoi
> rang roi mai NT cua toi se ra sao day? Toi den Mui Ne-Phan Thiet o choi them
> 1 dem nua roi moi quay ve Sg. Chieu hom ay, chung toi den truot cat tai cac
> ngon doi cat do ma nguoi ta goi la Doi Hong. Nhung dua be dia phuong om nhom
> om nhach tay cam cac tam van truoc cat bu den doan chung toi moi thue van.
> Toi leo den dinh doi cat va tim cach hoi tham cac em.
> -Chau co di hoc khong? toi hoi
> -KHong, mot dua dap
> -Vay lam sao biet chu duoc? toi hoi
> -Da me chau day cho chau, no dap
> -Nha chau co may anh em? toi ho
> -Da co 5 nguoi chet mot nguoi con 4. 2 chi cua chau dang lam viec o Sg. Ba
> chau chi biet di nhau suot ngay. Thinh thoang ong moi ve rua cho me chau may
> cai chen. Con me chau thi ban sang di ban nuoc sam tren Doi Hong nay.
>
> Khi co may nguoi khach du lich khac cung vua leo len dinh doi cho chung toi
> dang ngoi nghi met. Ho tray a gia thue tam van truot cat voi cac em.
>
> -500 thoi, may dua duoi chan doi noi chi 500 thoi chu lam gi 1000 nhu tui
> bay noi?
>
> Trong cai dem truoc ngay 1/6 Ngay quoc te thieu nhi, co mot doan tre con
> dang phai lao dong kiem song cho cha chung lay tien di danh so de, di uong
> ruou. Trong cai dem trang tron vang vac cua le Phat Dan, khi Duc Thich Ca
> con la cau be thai tu Tat Dat Da, cac em phai bo hoc phai lang thang. Toi
> dua cho chung to giay 100,000 cho ca nhom chia nhau. Co mot dua mung qua den
> cam on toi bao rang sang toi gio no chua kiem duoc dong nao het. Nhung ngon
> doi cao ngat ngheu nay, chung toi, nhung ke thua com thua tien leo len de
> tieu bot nang luong de vui choi. Chi can leo len mot lan la muon het ca hoi
> de tho. The ma cac chau phai leo len leo xuong moi ngay hang tram lan mong
> kiem duoc vai ngan. Toi khong cho cac em 100,000 nhung da xin cac em hay cho
> toi duoc boi thuong. Cac em da hy sinh niem vui va tuong lai cua minh de
> nhung ke tra du, tuu hau chung toi co duoc mot dem trang trong vui ve voi
> con cai, voi ban be voi gia dinh.
>
> Gap cac em xong, toi cu tuong rang minh se noi voi chinh phu rang phai nhanh
> chong phat trien kinh te de nhung dua be nay khong con phai di kiem song
> trong dem Quoc Te Thieu Nhi va Le mung sinh nhat Phat Thich ca.. Toi chi
> tuong tuong nhu the ma thoi. Su that cau tra loi van con o xa lam cac ban
> ah...
>
> men
> Tran Ba Thien
> tranbathien at gmail.com
>

From nhuung at gmail.com  Mon Jun  4 19:54:05 2007
From: nhuung at gmail.com (Nhung)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:54:05 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay - posting of photos with large
	sizes[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
In-Reply-To: <OF767970DD.C6F23565-ON472572F1.000C87BD-472572F1.000D085D@dfat.gov.au>
Message-ID: <4664d058.3d28bb77.6e8f.ffffe166@mx.google.com>

Hi anh Quang Anh,
I think it's a great idea!! Sorry again if my big files blocked your
emails...
By the way, how are you? Any plan to visit Saigon again soon?
Have a good day,
-nhung

NGUYEN HONG NHUNG
N & J
Mobile : +84 903 38 28 70

-----Original Message-----
From: vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com [mailto:vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com]
On Behalf Of QuangAnh.Nguyen at dfat.gov.au
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:22 AM
To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net
Cc: vnbiz at vietlinks.net; vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com
Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay - posting of photos with large
sizes[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[ Vietnam Business Forum ]



Dear CACC

Can I suggest a solution for this issue? It would be really helpful if
senders upload the photo in real size to flickr or photobucket.com, etc.
Then the email only refers to the link to the photo pages.

Hope that you may file it useful

Have a good day

----------------------------------------------
Nguyen Quang ANH








                                                                           
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[ Vietnam Business Forum ]


Dear CACC,

I'd like to ask you a favor regarding messages with large attachments.

Would you please try to compress or decrease the size of a large file when
posting it to the forum?  It is obviously great to see a photo in real
size,
but I've been experiencing some significant disruption to this email and
also my work email because of large attachments (I'm using outlook express
for both emails).

Thank you very much for your understanding.  It is much appreciated.

Lien

-----Original Message-----
From: vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com [mailto:vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com]
On Behalf Of Nhung
Sent: June 2, 2007 10:19 AM
To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net
Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay

[ Vietnam Business Forum ]


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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 03:53:57 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:53:57 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] =?utf-8?q?=C2=A3100_million_UK_Grants_for_the_Governance_?=
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Dear CACC,

FYi.

Hoanh

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Governance and Transparency Fund (GTF)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 05:21:20 +0100
From: Dao Thanh Hong <dt-hong at dfid.gov.uk>



DFID, the Department for International Development: leading the British
government's fight against world poverty. For more information subscribe to our
e-bulletin at http://www.dfid.gov.uk/feedback/


?100 million UK Grants for the Governance and Transparency
Fund

I would like to draw your attention to DFID's new Global
Governance and Transparency Fund. DFID recognise the need
for people in developing countries to make their voices
heard and hold their governments accountable. The absence of
accountability fosters an environment in which corruption
can flourish, and citizens are unable to assess the
decisions of their leaders, or make informed choices about
who they elect as their representatives.

To address some of these issues, DFID has introduced a new
global ?100 million Governance and Transparency Fund (GTF).
The Fund was first announced in DFID's White Paper published
in July 2006 and put into operation on 22 February 2007. It
is designed to help citizens hold their governments to
account, through strengthening the wide range of groups that
can empower and support them.

It is my pleasure to send you DFID's Press Release and the
Criteria and Guidelines for the Governance and Transparency
Fund. The full Guidelines are also accessible at DFID's
website www.dfid.gov.uk. I would be grateful if you could
help distribute the information to organisations, groups and
unions who are keen on promoting accountable governance and
transparency.

I would like to reiterate that given the Fund is fully
managed by DFID in UK, all inquiries should be directed to
DFID in UK as mentioned in the attached Press Release.

Yours sincerely,

Donal Brown
Head
DFID Vietnam


7th Floor - Central Building
31 Hai Ba Trung
Hanoi
Vietnam

Ng?y 27 th?ng 3 n?m 2007

Qu? T?ng c??ng Minh b?ch v? Qu?n tr? Nh? n??c - 100 tri?u
B?ng Anh Vi?n tr? kh?ng ho?n l?i

T?i xin gi?i thi?u v?i qu? v? v? Qu? T?ng C??ng Minh b?ch v?
Qu?n tr? Nh? n??c m?i ???c th?nh l?p c?a B? Ph?t tri?n Qu?c
t? V??ng qu?c Anh (DFID). DFID nh?n th?y s? c?n thi?t ph?i
t?ng c??ng ti?ng n?i c?a ng??i d?n v? n?ng cao tr?ch nhi?m
gi?i tr?nh c?a ch?nh ph? ? c?c n??c ?ang ph?t tri?n. M?t m?i
tr??ng l?nh ??o thi?u tr?ch nhi?m gi?i tr?nh s? d? n?y sinh
n?n tham nh?ng, v? ng??i d?n kh?ng th? ??nh gi? ???c c?c
quy?t ??nh c?a nh?ng ng??i l?nh ??o, ho?c c? ???c ??y ??
th?ng tin nh?m b?u ra nh?ng ng??i ??i di?n cho m?nh.

?? g?p ph?n gi?i quy?t c?c v?n ?? n?y, DFID ?? th?nh l?p Qu?
T?ng C??ng Minh b?ch v? Qu?n tr? Nh? n??c (t?n vi?t t?t GTF)
tr? gi? 100 tri?u b?ng Anh.  Qu? GTF ???c c?ng b? l?n ??u
ti?n tr?n S?ch Tr?ng c?a DFID, xu?t b?n th?ng 7 n?m 2006 v?
b?t ??u c? hi?u l?c v?o ng?y 22 th?ng 2 n?m 2007. Qu? GTF
???c thi?t k? nh?m gi?p ng??i d?n c? th? y?u c?u ch?nh ph?
gi?i tr?nh, th?ng qua vi?c ??y m?nh ho?t ??ng c?a c?c t?
ch?c c? kh? n?ng trao quy?n v? h? tr? h?.

T?i xin ???c g?i k?m theo ??y t? Th?ng c?o B?o ch?, C?c ti?u
ch? v? t?i li?u H??ng d?n ?? nh?n ???c t?i tr? t? qu? GTF.
T?i li?u H??ng d?n ??y ?? c?ng ???c ??ng tr?n trang web c?a
DFID: www.dfid.gov.uk. R?t mong qu? c? quan g?i nh?ng th?ng
tin v? Qu? GTF t?i c?c t? ch?c, c?c nh?m v? c?c hi?p h?i
quan t?m ??n vi?c th?c ??y v?n ?? minh b?ch v? tr?ch nhi?m
gi?i tr?nh.

T?i xin nh?n m?nh r?ng Qu? GTF ho?n to?n do v?n ph?ng DFID
t?i V??ng qu?c Anh qu?n l?, v? v?y ?? ngh? c?c qu? v? g?i
c?c c?u h?i li?n quan tr?c ti?p ??n v?n ph?ng DFID t?i Anh
nh? ?? ???c n?u trong t? Th?ng c?o B?o ch? ??nh k?m.

K?nh th?,

Donal Brown
Tr??ng ??i di?n
DFID t?i Vi?t Nam

7th Floor - Central Building
31 Hai Ba Trung
Hanoi
Vietnam

News Release

UK GOVERNMENT CHAMPIONS IMPROVING GOVERNANCE IN THE
DEVELOPING WORLD THROUGH ?100 MILLION FUNDING BOOST

People in developing countries will find it easier to hold
their governments to account, thanks to a ?100 million
funding boost from the UK Government.  The global fund will
help ensure people's voices are heard through their
communities, trade unions, parliament and the media,
International Development Secretary Hilary Benn, announced
on 22 February 2007.

Hilary Benn said:

"To consign global poverty to the dustbin of history people
must have the power to ask their leaders tough questions and
demand better schools, hospitals and basic human rights.

"If a country is badly ruled economic growth is stunted,
threat of conflict is a part of everyday life and it is the
poorest who suffer most.  But if a country is well run its
people enjoy a higher standard of living and lead healthier
lives.  This fund is aimed at ensuring the accountability we
take for granted is no longer regarded as a luxury in the
developing world."

The Governance and Transparency Fund will offer grants of up
to ?5m over 5 years to different organisations including:

- Media groups campaigning for free speech;

- Women's groups demanding greater rights for women in
public life;

- Faith groups;

- Trade Unions championing decent pay and working
conditions;

- Groups who seek to strengthen the Parliamentary process;
and

- NGOs.

A group does not need to be based in the UK to apply for
funding.

It is expected that by the end of 2007 all of the ?100m will
have been awarded through a competitive process.  A
condition for a successful bid will be that organisations
must promise to spend 85 per cent of their funding through
their local partners in the developing world.

In recent years UK support has helped make leaders more
accountable to their people.  For instance, with UK support
Radio Okapi in the Democratic Republic of Congo helped to
restore peace after conflict had ravaged the country in the
mid-1990s.   It broadcast regular, unbiased news reports and
gave opposing factions their first opportunity to discuss
their ideas on a radio station people could trust.

Notes for Applicants

1. Information on which groups are eligible for funding and
how they can apply is available on the DFID website.  Please
visit www.dfid.gov.uk

2. If you have a media enquiry please contact the DFID press
office on 020 7023 0600 or e-mail pressoffice at dfid.gov.uk.
If you are a member of the public looking for further
information please contact our public enquiry point on 0845
300 4100 or e-mail enquiry at dfid.gov.uk.


7th Floor - Central Building
31 Hai Ba Trung
Hanoi
Vietnam

Th?ng c?o b?o ch?

CH?NH PH? V??NG QU?C ANH TH?NH L?P QU? TR? GI? 100 TRI?U
B?NG NH?M TH?C ??Y QU?N TR? NH? N??C T?I C?C N??C ?ANG PH?T
TRI?N


Ng??i d?n ? c?c n??c ?ang ph?t tri?n s? bi?t c?ch y?u c?u
ch?nh ph? gi?i tr?nh, nh? vi?n tr? t? qu? T?ng C??ng Minh
b?ch v? Qu?n tr? Nh? n??c (vi?t t?t Qu? GTF) tr? gi? 100
tri?u b?ng c?a Ch?nh ph? V??ng qu?c Anh. B? tr??ng B? Ph?t
tri?n Qu?c t? V??ng qu?c Anh tuy?n b? ng?y 22 th?ng 2 n?m
2007, Qu? GTF s? gi?p n?ng cao ti?ng n?i c?a ng??i d?n t?i
c?ng ??ng c?a h?, trong c?c nghi?p ?o?n, qu?c h?i v? tr?n
c?c ph??ng ti?n th?ng tin ??i ch?ng.

B? tr??ng Hilary Benn ph?t bi?u:

"?? x?a b? ho?n to?n ngh?o ??i, ng??i d?n ph?i c? quy?n ??t
ra nh?ng c?u h?i c?ng r?n cho c?c nh? l?nh ??o v? y?u c?u
ph?i c? tr??ng h?c, b?nh vi?n t?t h?n v? nh?ng quy?n con
ng??i c? b?n.

"N?u m?t nh? n??c kh?ng ???c ?i?u h?nh t?t th? kinh t? s?
tr? tr?, xung ??t c? th? x?y ra trong cu?c s?ng h?ng ng?y v?
ch?nh nh?ng ng??i ngh?o nh?t s? ph?i ch?u nhi?u thi?t th?i
nh?t. Nh?ng n?u m?t qu?c gia ???c ?i?u h?nh t?t, ng??i d?n
s? ???c h??ng m?t m?c s?ng cao h?n v? c? cu?c s?ng sung t?c
h?n. Qu? GTF ???c x?y d?ng nh?m ??m b?o r?ng tr?ch nhi?m
gi?i tr?nh kh?ng c?n ???c coi l? m?t kh?i ni?m xa l? ? c?c
n??c ?ang ph?t tri?n n?a."

Qu? T?ng c??ng Minh b?ch v? Qu?n tr? Nh? n??c (GTF) s? cung
c?p c?c kho?n vi?n tr? l?n t?i 5 tri?u b?ng trong v?ng 5 n?m
cho c?c t? ch?c kh?c nhau, bao g?m:

?       C?c nh?m th?ng tin ??i ch?ng ?ang ho?t ??ng nh?m ??i
h?i t? do ng?n lu?n;

?       C?c nh?m ph? n? ??u tranh ??i trao quy?n nhi?u h?n cho
ph? n? trong x? h?i;

?       C?c nh?m t?n ng??ng;

?       C?c nghi?p ?o?n ??u tranh cho c?c ?i?u ki?n l?m vi?c v?
tr? l??ng t?t h?n cho ng??i lao ??ng;

?       C?c nh?m, t? ch?c ?ng h?  vi?c ??y m?nh c?c ho?t ??ng
c?a Qu?c h?i; v?

?       C?c t? ch?c phi ch?nh ph?.

C?c ??n v? xin t?i tr? c?a Qu? GTF kh?ng nh?t thi?t ph?i c?
v?n ph?ng ? V??ng qu?c Anh.


D? ki?n r?ng ??n cu?i n?m 2007, to?n b? 100 tri?u b?ng s?
???c trao cho c?c d? ?n th?ng qua m?t qu? tr?nh c?nh tranh.
M?t ?i?u ki?n ?? ???c nh?n t?i tr? l? c?c t? ch?c ph?i cam
k?t gi?i ng?n 85% s? ti?n ???c t?i tr? qua c?c ??i t?c b?n
??a ? c?c n??c ?ang ph?t tri?n.

Trong nh?ng n?m g?n ??y, c?c ho?t ??ng h? tr? c?a V??ng qu?c
Anh ?? g?p ph?n t?ng c??ng tr?ch nhi?m gi?i tr?nh c?a c?c
nh? l?nh ??o ??i v?i ng??i d?n c?a h?. Ch?ng h?n nh?, v?i s?
h? tr? c?a V??ng qu?c Anh, ??i ph?t thanh Okapi ? C?ng H?a
C?ng G? ?? g?p ph?n kh?i ph?c h?a b?nh sau c?c cu?c xung ??t
t?i ??t n??c n?y v?o gi?a nh?ng n?m 1990. ??i ph?t thanh
Okapi ?? th??ng xuy?n ph?t ?i c?c b?n tin kh?ch quan v? l?n
??u ti?n t?o c? h?i cho ph?a c?nh t? ???c n?u ? ki?n c?a
m?nh tr?n m?t ??i ph?t thanh m? ng??i d?n tin t??ng.

L?u ? cho c?c t? ch?c xin t?i tr?

1.      Th?ng tin v? c?c ti?u ch? ?? ???c nh?n t?i tr? v? c?ch
th?c xin t?i tr? ???c ??ng tr?n trang web c?a DFID:
www.dfid.gov.uk

2.      C?c c? quan b?o ch? n?u c? c?u h?i, ?? ngh? li?n h?
tr?c ti?p v?i v?n ph?ng b?o ch? c?a DFID, s? ?i?n tho?i: 020
7023 0600 ho?c e-mail pressoffice at dfid.gov.uk.  N?u qu? v?
l? m?t c? nh?n trong c?ng ??ng mu?n t?m ki?m th?m th?ng tin,
xin li?n h? v?i b? ph?n gi?i ??p th?ng tin cho c?ng ch?ng
theo s? m?y 0845 300 4100 ho?c g?i e-mail theo ??a ch?
enquiry at dfid.gov.uk.


_______________________________________________
People's Participation Working Group (PPWG) Viet Nam
Website: http://www.ngocentre.org.vn/Default.asp?page=People_Participation_Working_Group
Chair: Ms Vu Thi Bich Hop (SDR) &lt;hop at srd.org.vn&gt;
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-- 
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Tue Jun  5 05:45:45 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:45:45 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] The Gentle Monk From Vietnam
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF413F7@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

The Gentle Monk From Vietnam 
Thich Nhat Hanh: Live alive 
 
Masimba Biriwasha (simplebiri)      
 
 Published 2007-06-05 13:39 (KST)    
 
 
 
During a recent visit to Thailand's Chiang Mai city, Thich Nhat Hanh, an internationally renowned Vietnamese Zen Buddhist monk, told hundreds of adherents that he had wanted to become a monk at age nine after he saw an image in a magazine of Buddha sitting peacefully.

"The Buddha was sitting so peacefully on the grass, not on a lotus flower, but he looked very happy and peaceful," said the 80-year-old monk, describing the magazine picture to the audience.

 
Hanh said the magazine portrait of the Buddha painted an idyllic and attractive picture in his young mind.

In a dharma teaching titled "Live Alive," the Zen master, poet, peace and human rights activist talked about his background and his understanding and practice of Buddhism to approximately 800 people that gathered to listen to him at the city's Wat Suan Dok temple.

At the age of 16, Hanh said, he entered the monastery to become a monk with the full support of his parents. But along the way to monk-hood, he hit an ideological crisis.

"There was only one time I wanted to quit being a monk. That was when I realized that many of the high monks around me did not practice what they preached," Hanh told the gathering.

According to Hanh, though the high monks spoke of compassion and kindness, they did little to offer support to the hordes of people that lived in misery in his country.

"I wanted to quit the monastery to become a Communist fighter because I found the principles of equality and justice contained in that political movement very appealing," he said.

But upon reflection, he decided not to follow the Communist route because of his firm belief in the process of nonviolence to resolve social problems. In spite of upholding equality and justice, the Communist movement practiced violence as a means to create a just society. However, Buddhism strongly encourages nonviolence -- a concept that completely resonated with Hanh.

"The most tempting thing in the life of a monk is not a beautiful young lady, but ideology," he said.

Deep in his heart, Hanh explained, he knew that Buddhism could offer tangible solutions to the problems that were evident in his war-torn country.

So began his journey to make Buddhism socially engaged and relevant through peaceful means, a journey that has made him famous with people from different religious backgrounds around the world.

As a result of his efforts, the monk was exiled from Vietnam to the United States in 1966, at the age of 40. He was banned by both the non-Communist and Communist governments in Vietnam for his role in undermining the violence he saw affecting his people.

While in the United States, he played a key role in inspiring the Vietnamese-American antiwar movement as well as peaceful resolutions to world problems.

In 1967, civil rights leader Martin Luther King nominated Hanh for the Nobel Peace Prize, describing him as "the gentle monk from Vietnam" whose ideas for peace could be beneficial to humanity, if applied.

"As a monk I have been able to transform the suffering in myself to help other people," Hanh told the audience. "You cannot help another person to change unless you change, just like you cannot love another person unless you love yourself first."

Hanh is credited with establishing the School of Youth for Social Services (SYSS) in Saigon after the Vietnam War. SYSS was a grassroots relief organization that rebuilt bombed villages, set up schools and medical centers, and resettled families left homeless during the war. He also coined the term "engaged Buddhism," which basically implies applying meditation practice and dharma teachings to situations of social, political and economic suffering and injustice.

"The life of a monk can be filled with love and love can help to make other people happy," he said. "If you cannot understand the suffering of another person, you cannot offer help."

Hanh added that many people around the world were sitting on heaps of burning coals, their lives characterized by tension, pain and sorrow. He blamed stress for the manifestation of disease in people's lives.

"The teaching of Buddha shows how to remove the tension in your body. The fact that Buddha sat on a lotus flower means wherever you sit in life, you can be free and happy," he said.

However, to achieve this requires a diligent and vigilant practice of mindfulness in moment-to-moment living.

"We are used to running in our lives. There's a belief that happiness is impossible here, right now, but maybe in the future. We do not live deeply each moment. There's only one moment when we truly arrive, that is, the present moment," Hanh said.

The practice of mindfulness, he explained, demands that one be fully engaged with their place in the present moment, relieving oneself of the guilt of the past, the chattering voices of the present and the unrealized concerns of the future.

"If you bring your body to the present moment, you have available to you all the treasure of the world," he said. The present moment is the only place you can reach the future.

"Every step you take should bring you home. So invest 100 percent of your mind and body into each step to be able to arrive fully so that you can touch the wonders of life."

On how to achieve enlightenment, Hanh told the audience: "There is no way to enlightenment. Enlightenment is the way. Every small step if taken in full mindedness leads to small enlightenment, which will lead to the big enlightenment."  
?2007 OhmyNews 

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Tue Jun  5 05:55:35 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:55:35 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Stephen Zardis; Vietnam vet was key activist on Agent Orange
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF413F9@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Stephen Zardis; Vietnam vet was key activist on Agent Orange
By Tom Long, Globe Correspondent  |  June 5, 2007

Stephen J. Zardis was a veteran of the Vietnam War who had multiple sclerosis, presumably caused by exposure to the defoliant Agent Orange. A quadriplegic and legally blind, he was an artist, activist, and philanthropist who lived in the Brockton Veterans Affairs Hospital for the last seven years of his life.

 He was also a very happy man.

"He was the happiest man I ever met; you'd never know he was even sick," said Sister Mary Black of the Sisters of St. Joseph.

Mr. Zardis died of respiratory failure Thursday in the Brockton VA Hospital. He was 59.

In 2003, Mr. Zardis donated $1 million to his alma mater, Cathedral High School in the South End. "I've learned -- unfortunately, through my own medical history -- that I can't take it with me," Mr. Zardis said in a story published in the Globe in 2003. "So I wanted to do something with it, and something that would have a meaning and a purpose. And one day I was just lying here before getting up, and it was quiet, and I was thinking, and I just thought: 'Why not give it to the high school? They can certainly utilize it, and it would be for the betterment of many people.' "

Sister Mary, who is also director of donor relations at Cathedral High, visited him regularly. "He had a beautiful smile and a wonderful sense of humor," she said.

Mr. Zardis enjoyed painting. "Mostly primitives, as you might imagine," said Sister Mary. "I'm not sure how he held the brush"

Born in Malden, he graduated from Cathedral High School in 1965 and attended Boston College for two years before enlisting in the US Army.

He served in the Army in 1968 and 1969 as a forward observer near Cambodia in a border region saturated with Agent Orange, the chemical defoliant used to strip the Viet Cong of cover.

He was honorably discharged and returned home in seemingly good health until he was diagnosed with "atypical multiple sclerosis" several years later.

Mr. Zardis became aware from other Vietnam veterans of strange and rare problems affecting their health. After some research, he became convinced that his health problems and those of his fellow Vietnam vets were caused by exposure to Agent Orange.

As his health deteriorated and he was confined to a wheelchair, he had a specially equipped home built in Marblehead in the 1970s. He was forced to give it up in 1999 after a doctor told him he was no longer capable of living alone.

He became director of the Massachusetts chapter of Agent Orange Victims International and worked to spread the word of the origin of the veterans' health problems.

He was lead plaintiff in the Agent Orange class action lawsuit filed in Federal District Court in Boston in 1979.

Though the manufacturers of Agent Orange denied its ill effects for years, Mr. Zardis and a group of fellow veterans won a settlement in 1984.

His health continued to deteriorate, and he moved to the Veterans Affairs Hospital seven years ago. He slipped into a coma last summer, but regained consciousness after several days.

"He was like a cat; he had nine lives," said Sister Mary. "But he was never bitter. He had the most wonderful sense of humor and the greatest laugh."

Despite his trials, Mr. Zardis loved life. "Even now it's a good life," he said in 2003. "The doctors and nurses have saved my life more times than I have fingers on my hand."

"I joked that one day a nurse or doctor is going to come up to me and say: 'I finished high school with your help, and I went on to medical school or nursing school, and here I am.' And it's going to happen. It's not going to happen to me specifically, but it's going to happen."

Mr. Zardis leaves no immediate survivors.

A funeral Mass will be said at 11:30 a.m. tomorrow in St. Joseph Church in Malden. Burial is private.

? Copyright 2007 Globe Newspaper Company

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Tue Jun  5 06:03:17 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:03:17 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] U.S. grand jury indicts 10 in Laos plot
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF413FB@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Published: June 4, 2007 at 10:17 PM  

UPI NewsTrack TopNews
U.S. grand jury indicts 10 in Laos plot 
SACRAMENTO, Calif., June 4 (UPI) -- A federal grand jury in California Monday indicted a venerated Hmong general and nine others for allegedly plotting to overthrow the government of Laos. 

Vang Pao, who commanded the CIA forces in the fight against Communist forces during the Vietnam War, and eight of the defendants are accused of violating the United States' neutrality act by scheming to invade a foreign nation, The Sacramento Bee reported. A 10th suspect, Harrison Ulrich Jack of Woodland, Calif., is a retired West Point-educated lieutenant colonel who now runs a consulting company and who allegedly conspired to obtain large numbers of weapons, missiles, mines and explosives, the newspaper said. 

The indictments handed down in Sacramento culminated a six-month investigation that included meetings between undercover agents and the alleged conspirators to discuss transferring weapons to Thailand and Laos. 

Pao, who lives in the Fresno area and Minnesota, has spent decades promoting the overthrow of the Communist regime in Laos. Some suspects allegedly approached former U.S. military veterans to serve as mercenaries, the Bee reported. 

Jack, who allegedly approached defense contractors seeking munitions, recently created the non-profit Hmong Emergency Relief Organization. 

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Tue Jun  5 06:06:54 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:06:54 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Analysis: Science without borders
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF413FE@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Analysis: Science without borders  
 
Published: May 31, 2007 

By OLGA PIERCE
UPI Health Business Correspondent
WASHINGTON, May 31 (UPI) -- Working with researchers in developing countries is not just good will, it's also good science, experts said Thursday. 
"Long-term relationships -- even with poor countries -- can yield very good results," said Jane Kengeya-Kayondo, coordinator of implementation research and methods at the World Health Organization. 

Growth in research partnerships in developing countries is exploding. The Fogarty International Center at the National Institutes of Health, a major source of U.S. funding for the research, gave out about 400 grants totaling $68 million in 2006, and other organizations have followed suit. 

Elite universities like Johns Hopkins and Yale have also partnered with overseas research institutions to develop cures for diseases. 

The precedent for research in developing countries has long existed. Chemotherapy for cancer was first tried in Uganda, while oral rehydration therapy was invented in Bangladesh. 

But the nature of research partnerships is changing. 

In the past, researchers from the United States and Europe would set up shop in a poorer country without including local scientists at all, or using them in supporting roles. Now, researchers in Africa, Asia and South America are setting priorities and heading their own research projects. 

People in developing countries "don't just want research done for them, they want research done by them," said Robert Ridley, director of the Special Programme for Research and Training in Tropical Diseases at the WHO. 

Many cross-continental collaborations have resulted in not just research, but the building of institutional capacity, Ridley said. 

One example is the Universidad Peruana in Lima. In 1970 it received no grants for research. By 2005 researchers there received 30, he said. Now the university is a "center of excellence" that trains scientists from all over South America. 

Such research has gotten the attention of international donors. 

The Wellcome Trust, a British charity that distributes about $900 million in funding to projects in 50 countries, plans to increase its funding for developing world projects, said James Whitworth, head of international science at the trust. 

The group's projects overseas "have been highly productive scientifically," he said. 

The group's project in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam, authored the first detailed description of the avian influenza virus and developed a highly effective treatment for tetanus. Another project in Nairobi, Kenya, is working on treatments for malaria and pneumonia. 

Grantees author more than 100 peer-reviewed papers each year, he said, but there are challenges. A lack of postdoctoral researchers, for example, can hamper efforts to include local scientists. 

But the biggest barriers to more collaboration may be in developed countries like the United States, said Janet Goldberg, senior strategist at the Families USA Global Health Initiative. 

Unless researchers in the United States are sufficiently funded, they will not be able to help build research capacity in the developing world, she told United Press International. 

Well-funded initiatives like the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief do not include a single dollar for research, she told United Press International. That lack of support means it will be difficult for researchers anywhere to prevent AIDS instead of just treating it. 

But more money is not enough, she added. Partnerships need to be put in place to develop institutional capacity to make sure money is put to good use. 

"Right now the bulk of expertise is in wealthy countries, but that's not the way it needs to be," she said. However, it's not a matter of just giving more cash. That's definitely better than nothing, but it's just a start. We need to make sure that cash is used in a smart, rational way." 

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From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Tue Jun  5 06:09:10 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:09:10 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Gay British pianist banned in Hanoi
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF413FF@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Published: May 26, 2007   

Gay British pianist banned in Hanoi
HANOI, Vietnam, May 26 (UPI) -- British concert pianist Stephen Hugh will not perform in Vietnam because officials there were concerned about his writings on religion and homosexuality. 
Alcoholic beverage company Hennessy withdrew its invitation for to the award-winning musician to play in Hanoi after Vietnamese authorities refused to grant the event a license because they thought it would be a security risk, The Telegraph reported Saturday. 

It is believed an official from Vietnam's Ministry of Culture looked at Hough's Web site and saw an article he wrote for a religious magazine, The Tablet, in which he criticized the Catholic Church's teaching on homosexuality. 

The pianist, who is gay, said Hennessy had withdrawn its offer "in order to prevent potentially tense situations with the regime and to safeguard Hough's personal safety," the British newspaper said. 

"The engagement was booked six months ago and everything was going ahead with negotiating the fee and travel expenses," Hough said. "Yesterday I found out that the Ministry for Culture and Information had been to my Web site and had decided that they could not guarantee my personal safety." 

From diespiter at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  5 07:58:09 2007
From: diespiter at yahoo.com (Tuan Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:58:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
In-Reply-To: <fe5aabf50706041937r25ded1c6mf43130e4c124b02@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <703353.53601.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

1. Do the people have an intrinsic right to have a say in issues
affecting their lives?  Well, it depends on their government.  In the
case of the U.S., yes - we have the right to petition the government
(it's in our constitution) and it is exercised regularly.  I have no
clue about VN's constitution, but anecdotal evidence suggests that in
practice protests and expression of political differences are seldom
tolerated.  The only protests that seem to be tolerated (and reported
by the press) are labor protests directed at foreign firms.  So in
short, the only "rights" the people have are those guaranteed in their
covenants with their respective governments (generally the national
constitutions) and how those convenants are actually enforced.

2. A forum format as opposed to a mailing list would be better suited
to what you have described here.  Instead of multiple websites, you'll
only need one to house the forum and people could post and reply to
"topics" that'll keep all info together and coherent.  An example is
one forum on development with a section devoted to Vietnam in
particular:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=588

And here's what they have to say about development at Nha Trang:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=376092

Careful about providing "feedback" to the VN government though.  There
have been a flurry of jailings lately, one for no less than translating
a U.S. State Department's article on democracy.

Tuan


--- Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com> wrote:

> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> 
> Dear CACC,
> 
> Let's look at this Nha Trang Bay issue from a larger angle.  Let's
> look at the governance issue and the people's participation into the
> decision making process.
> 
> Obviously these guys in Khanh Hoa UBND  wants to do something like
> shave some island bald and put on it a bunch of hotels and cement
> blocks.  In this case, it is good that Ministery of Information and
> Culture was involved to stop such activity, for now.  Here is my
> concern.  I imagine most people in Nha Trang don't like such
> "development," as brother Thien said emotionally.  (Brother Thien, I
> grew up in Nha Trang.  I went to primary school in Truong Tieu Hoc Ha
> Dua in Thanh, and attended 6th and 7th grade in Trung Hoc Vo Tanh,
> now
> Ly Tu Trong.  So I am still hopelessly in love with Nha Trang).
> 
> 1.   But the question is:  Do the people of Nha Trang have a right
> into the decision making process?  The foreigners come and pay (above
> the table and under the table); the officials probably have personal
> reasons to agree with the foreigners, so they sign paperwork.  Do the
> people of Nha Trang have any right to say anything in the matter
> before the decision is made?  Is there a public hearing for citizens
> to attend to raise their voice before a development project is
> approved?   Government officials  make decision; but do the people
> have the right to hear the matter and raise their voice before the
> officials make the decision?
> 
> We have heard about democracy, grassroot democracy, dan lam chu (the
> people is boss).  The truth is, the people have no say-so in many
> matters that affect their life.  Why don't we just stop lying, and
> start to design some system that let the people KNOW about a project
> in advance and VOICE THEIR OPINION about that project before the
> officials decide?
> 
> 2.  The above question is for "the government."  Here is an idea for
> "the people."  Can we VNBIZERs come up with a sytematic approach to
> give the people a place to raise their voice on issues that affect
> their life and their environment? Say, can we have a website about
> Vinh Nha Trang, post relevant materials there, and let people come to
> the site to voice their opinion.  And we can do that with every major
> issue somewhere. each issue a website, such as a blog.
> 
> That is how to can give more voice to our people, make our country a
> little more democratic, and give our government more feedback
> channels.
> 
> Can come brother/sister come up with something?
> 
> Have a great day!
> 
> Hoanh
> 
> On 6/1/07, Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com> wrote:
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> > Dear CACC,
> >
> > Toi vua di du lich o Nha Trang tu ngay chu nhat 27 den thu nam
> 31/5/2007 ve.
> > Toi da di tham cac diem du lich nhu Hon Ngoc Viet Vin Pearl bang
> cap treo,
> > tham cac dao trong vinh Nha Trang bang thuyen du lich, tham doc Let
> v.v...
> > va v.v...
> >
> > Toi di vao luc ma moi noi o hi thuyen dung lai o hon Mun, khu sinh
> thai bien
> > duy nhat tai Vietnam, khach du lich duoc mac ao phao va nhay xuong
> bien ngam
> > san ho. Mot anh ban di chung tau sau khi leo tro ve thuyen da hoi
> ha chup
> > cac thang canh tren vung vinh nay. Anh noi:
> >
> > -Chang biet vai nam toi khi tro lai NT, nguoi ta da huy diet cai
> thien nhien
> > nay den muc nao roi?
> >
> > Noi xong vai cau, anh nem cai lon nuoc ngot xuong bien khien nguoi
> huong dan
> > vien du lich tren thuyen phai hot hoang la lon:
> >
> > Xin qui khach dung xa rac xuong vung bien nay. Chung ta dung tai
> pham cai
> > sai lam cua cha ong khi ....
> >
> > Mot anh nhan vien tren thuyen lay vot de vot cai lon nuoc ngot kia
> truoc khi
> > no kip chim xung day bien ben nhung rang san ho dep huyen ao kia.
> >
> > den Doc Let tam trong mot sang nuoc bien em nhu mot cai ho lon. 
> Nhung nguoi
> > dang tam o day vua vui dua vua voi va ngam
> > nhin cai thien nhien long lay vi e rang vai nam nua, no se chang
> con. Dong
> > thoi, ho cung phai ngamng
> > nhin mat bien de tranh tam nhung noi dang noi leu beu nhung boc
> nylon dung
> > rac va nhung mon can ba con sot lai cua nganh ky nghe khong khoi
> bui nhung
> > day rac thai nay.
> >
> > Dung la giua phat trien kinh te va bao ve moi truong thien nhien
> luon luon
> > co nhung buoc di nguoc chieu nhau. Toi thay trong cai lo lang cua
> nhung
> > nguoi dan NT va nhung nguoi khach du lich den NT co cai lo lon nhat
> la hay
> > giu lai nguyen trang cai hinh thu, dang voc cua nhung ngon nui, hay
> giu lai
> > nguyen trang cai mau xanh thuc vat tren cac trien nui, giu lai
> nhung rang
> > san ho nhung bay ca du mau sac so boi loi quanh do... HO yeu cau
> rat nhieu
> > va hau nhu khong ai nghi den cau hoi rang:
> >
> > -Ai se la nguoi co nhiem vu bao ve cai thien nhien xinh dep ay?
> >
> > Hau het deu nghi rang chinh phu la nguoi co trach nhiem. Sau chinh
> phu thi
> > la nguoi khac, nhung nguoi nao do khong phai la toi xin vui long
> dung xa rac
> > dung lam o nhiem moi truong. co ve nhu cai y tuong bao ve thien
> nhien va bao
> > ve moi truong dang duoc hieu nhu mot cai roi chi de danh nguoi khac
> ma khong
> > danh chinh minh. Nguoi ta phan doi viec tan pha thien nhien va huy
> hoai moi
> > truong cua nguoi khac mot cach het suc khat khe nhung lai tha thu
> va khoan
> > dung cho hanh vi cua minh mot cach rat la "nhan tu". Anh ban cua
> toi sau khi
> > hoi mac co vi cai lon bia nem xuong nuoc quay sang toi bao chua:
> >
> > -Nay gio tim mai chang thay cai gio rac tren tau de o cho nao nen
> minh vo y
> > danh roi xuong nuoc.
> >
> > Co le, ban to chuc du lich cua chiec thuyen nay cung noi:
> >
> > -Minh ban ron cham soc khach hang nen sang nay vo y quen mang cai
> gio rac
> > len thuyen...
> >
> > Toi sinh ra o NT nhung suot cuoc doi song tai Saigon. Toi yeu NT vo
> cung va
> > cung cam thay dau long neu NT bi tan pha boi ban tay cua con nguoi.
> Ro rang
> > khong phai la NT sap bi huy diet nhung NT dang bi huy diet mot cach
> vo to
> > chuc. Sap toi day nguoi ta se huy diet no mot cach co to chuc hon.
> Nguoi
> > ngoai cuoc nhu toi se cam thay ganh ty vi minh hong duoc tham du
> vao tro huy
> > diet nay. biet dau, phai biet dau, neu toi cung co mot phan hun kha
> lon
> > torng mot cai cong ty nao do se cat ngang cai dinh nui cua dao Hon
> Tre va
> > dung len do mot khu vui choi nhu Vin Pearl, hay xay mot cai thap Ba
> giong
> > nguoi Chiem Thanh da lam hoi the ky thu 8 sau CN, hoac nhu nguoi
> phap cat
> > phang mot ngon doi giua long thanh pho de dung len nha tho Nui Nha
> Trang nam
> > 1930... Nhung cai do the he cua toi da quen nhin va cam thay hai
> long roi tu
> > cho rang phai co Thap Ba, Nha Tho Nui, tuong Phat Thich Ca thi moi
> la Nha
> > Trang. Nhung neu cat Hon Tre hay duc vao cac vach nui da chung
> quanh NT va
> > khac len do nhung buc chan dung cac lanh tu nhu Quang Trung, Le
> Loi, Ho Chi
> > Minh thi dong nghia voi tan pha Nha Trang? Biet dau va biet dau 100
> nam toi,
> > the he sau se cho rang phai co cac buc tuong nu the, phai cat ngan
> cai chop
> > nui cua Hon Tre nhu the thi moi la Nha Trang?
> >
> > Toi nho cai hom o New York gap mot co gai nguoi Alaska. Chi nay
> khoe voi toi
> > rang chi la nguoi Eskimo va torng nhom bao ton van hoa Eskimo. Chi
> ke rang
> > thanh nien Eskimo ngay nay song song voi viec hoc tai cac truong
> high
> > schools, ho cung duoc hoc cach danh bat ca, cach xay nha tuyet
> igloo v.v...
> > Toi hoi chi ay rang vay chi con noi duoc tieng Eskimo khong? chi
> lac dau.
> >
> > Toi roi Nha Trang vao sang thu nam 31/5 ma long cu phan van mai voi
> cau hoi
> > rang roi mai NT cua toi se ra sao day? Toi den Mui Ne-Phan Thiet o
> choi them
> > 1 dem nua roi moi quay ve Sg. Chieu hom ay, chung toi den truot cat
> tai cac
> > ngon doi cat do ma nguoi ta goi la Doi Hong. Nhung dua be dia
> phuong om nhom
> > om nhach tay cam cac tam van truoc cat bu den doan chung toi moi
> thue van.
> > Toi leo den dinh doi cat va tim cach hoi tham cac em.
> > -Chau co di hoc khong? toi hoi
> > -KHong, mot dua dap
> > -Vay lam sao biet chu duoc? toi hoi
> > -Da me chau day cho chau, no dap
> > -Nha chau co may anh em? toi ho
> > -Da co 5 nguoi chet mot nguoi con 4. 2 chi cua chau dang lam viec o
> Sg. Ba
> > chau chi biet di nhau suot ngay. Thinh thoang ong moi ve rua cho me
> chau may
> > cai chen. Con me chau thi ban sang di ban nuoc sam tren Doi Hong
> nay.
> >
> > Khi co may nguoi khach du lich khac cung vua leo len dinh doi cho
> chung toi
> > dang ngoi nghi met. Ho tray a gia thue tam van truot cat voi cac
> em.
> >
> > -500 thoi, may dua duoi chan doi noi chi 500 thoi chu lam gi 1000
> nhu tui
> > bay noi?
> >
> > Trong cai dem truoc ngay 1/6 Ngay quoc te thieu nhi, co mot doan
> tre con
> > dang phai lao dong kiem song cho cha chung lay tien di danh so de,
> di uong
> > ruou. Trong cai dem trang tron vang vac cua le Phat Dan, khi Duc
> Thich Ca
> > con la cau be thai tu Tat Dat Da, cac em phai bo hoc phai lang
> thang. Toi
> > dua cho chung to giay 100,000 cho ca nhom chia nhau. Co mot dua
> mung qua den
> > cam on toi bao rang sang toi gio no chua kiem duoc dong nao het.
> Nhung ngon
> > doi cao ngat ngheu nay, chung toi, nhung ke thua com thua tien leo
> len de
> > tieu bot nang luong de vui choi. Chi can leo len mot lan la muon
> het ca hoi
> > de tho. The ma cac chau phai leo len leo xuong moi ngay hang tram
> lan mong
> > kiem duoc vai ngan. Toi khong cho cac em 100,000 nhung da xin cac
> em hay cho
> > toi duoc boi thuong. Cac em da hy sinh niem vui va tuong lai cua
> minh de
> > nhung ke tra du, tuu hau chung toi co duoc mot dem trang trong vui
> ve voi
> > con cai, voi ban be voi gia dinh.
> >
> > Gap cac em xong, toi cu tuong rang minh se noi voi chinh phu rang
> phai nhanh
> > chong phat trien kinh te de nhung dua be nay khong con phai di kiem
> song
> > trong dem Quoc Te Thieu Nhi va Le mung sinh nhat Phat Thich ca..
> Toi chi
> > tuong tuong nhu the ma thoi. Su that cau tra loi van con o xa lam
> cac ban
> > ah...
> >
> > men
> > Tran Ba Thien
> > tranbathien at gmail.com
> >
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From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Tue Jun  5 09:22:40 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:22:40 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] US seizes nine in Laos armed coup plot
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF4140B@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

US seizes nine in Laos armed coup plot 
 
6/5/07

SAN FRANCISCO (AFP) - US police arrested nine people charged with plotting to use rifles and rockets to overthrow the communist government in the southeast Asian nation of Laos, a prosecutor in California said Monday. 


 
The suspects, mostly members of the Hmong ethnic group, were seized after US authorities "interrupted a plot to overthrow the government of Laos by force and violence," the public prosecutor in the state capital Sacramento said in a statement.

The "Hmong insurgency planned to use AK-47 automatic rifles, Stinger missiles, LAW rockets, anti-tank rockets and other arms and munitions to topple (the) Lao government and reduce government buildings in Vientiane to rubble," it said.

Targets allegedly discussed by the plotters included the Royal Palace in the Laotian capital.

Hundreds of federal agents swooped on the suspects in pre-dawn raids across California.

Those seized include the Hmong former general Vang Pao -- a veteran resistance fighter -- and Harrison Jack, a retired officer of the US Army.

The nine, most aged in their fifties and sixties, were heard during the covert investigation discussing plans to buy hundreds of rifles, rockets, mines, grenades and surface-to-air missiles and ship them to Laos via neighboring Thailand.

The others arrested were named as Lo Cha Thao, 34; Youa True Vang, 60; Hue Vang, 39; Chong Vang Thao, 53; Seng Vue, 68; Chu Lo, 59, and Lo Thao, 53.

A 10th person was arrested but not yet charged.

Vang, 77, is a prominent figure in the Hmong community in the United States, a former general in the Royal Lao army in the 1960s and 1970s. In 1975, like many Hmong, he fled to the United States after communists ousted Laos' royal rulers.

Harrison, 60, is a graduate of the prestigious West Point US military academy, the prosecutor said. Local media said Harrison served in the Vietnam War and had close ties to the Hmong community in California.

The arrests followed a six-month investigation by police and anti-terrorism authorities dubbed "Operation Tarnished Eagle."

An undercover agent of the federal US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives infiltrated the plot.

Rights groups have accused Laos authorities of persecuting the Hmong hill tribes, which include former resistance fighters opposed to the state's communist regime.

The scattered groups of Hmong in Laos are remnants and descendants of former fighters of a        CIA-funded "secret army" who from the early 1960s fought on the side of the United States against communist Pathet Lao forces when the war spilled over from neighboring Vietnam.

"This investigation read like a movie script, but turned out to be reality," said one of the federal police officials who headed the US probe, Michael Sullivan.

"The individuals arrested today thought an arms dealer would provide the necessary weapons and personnel to assist them in the violent overthrow of another government."

"Fortunately, we were able to disrupt their activities before their plot evolved into a coup against a country with which the United States is at peace," he added. 

"These defendants posed a substantial threat to public safety abroad." 

"We cannot tolerate our country being used as a staging ground for foreign coup attempts," said Assistant Attorney General for National Security, Kenneth Wainstein. 

Charges against the nine include conspiracy to kill, kidnap, maim and injure, conspiracy to damage government buildings and property in a foreign country, and conspiracy to receive and possess machine guns and explosive devices. 

Jack, Vang Pao and four others are also charged with conspiracy to receive and possess ant-aircraft missiles. 

They each face life imprisonment if convicted.

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Tue Jun  5 10:10:36 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:10:36 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Agent: Laos plot began unraveling early
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF4140C@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>


Agent: Laos plot began unraveling early 

By DON THOMPSON, Associated Press Writer 
6/5/07
 


SACRAMENTO, Calif. - An alleged plot to overthrow the communist government of Laos began to unravel almost from the moment it was hatched by Hmong leaders in the United States last winter, according to a federal undercover agent. 

 
 
Nine Hmong leaders, including a former Laotian military general, and a former officer in the California National Guard were arrested Monday in California during a sweep by more than 200 federal, state and local agents. Federal prosecutors said other arrests could follow.

Authorities acted because weapons shipments were set to begin this month to areas in Thailand along the Laotian border, according to a criminal complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Sacramento. The buildup was in preparation for a coordinated set of mercenary attacks that investigators said were designed to kill communist officials and destroy government buildings, the complaint said.

Among the nine were former Laotian Gen. Vang Pao, a prominent Hmong leader who lives in Orange County, and former California National Guard Lt. Col. Harrison Ulrich Jack, a 1968 West Point graduate and Vietnam War veteran.

The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives was in on the plot almost from the beginning, after the agency was tipped by a Phoenix-area arms dealer. The dealer told federal agents that Jack had approached him seeking to buy 500 AK-47 automatic weapons, according to a sworn affidavit by the agent. The agent's name was redacted from court records.

On Feb. 7, the agent said he secretly recorded his luncheon meeting with Jack, Vang Pao and 10 associates at a Thai restaurant a few blocks from the state Capitol in Sacramento. They then walked to a recreational vehicle parked nearby to examine machine guns, grenade launchers, anti-tank rockets, anti-personnel mines and other weapons.

On Feb. 15, Jack called the agent to report that the plot was "in motion," according to the affidavit. Hmong leaders had agreed to buy $9.8 million worth of military weapons, Jack said in a recorded conversation, with much of the money coming from immigrants throughout the United States.

"We're looking at conspiracy to murder thousands and thousands of people at one time," Assistant U.S. Attorney Bob Twiss said in federal court Monday.

He said thousands of coconspirators remain at large, many in other countries. Prosecutors said they believe all the leaders of the plot are in custody.

Members of Laos' ethnic Hmong minority were recruited in the 1960s by the        Central Intelligence Agency to fight on behalf of a pro-American government, but they were all but abandoned after communists took over Laos in 1975. More than 300,000 Laotian refugees, mostly Hmong, fled into Thailand. Most later resettled in the United States and elsewhere.

The permanent secretary for the Lao Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Somphet Khoukahoun, said Tuesday the government would not comment until it is officially informed of the plot by the U.S. government.

The government of Thailand had been informed but doesn't plan to comment before a verdict, Tharit Charungvat, a spokesman for the Foreign Affairs Ministry, said in Bangkok. "However, we would like to insist that Thailand will not tolerate the use of its territory for any movement that undermines the stability of its neighboring countries," he said.

Vang Pao, now 77, led        CIA-backed Hmong forces in Laos in the 1960s and 1970s as a general in the Royal Army of Laos. He emigrated to the U.S. about 1975 and has been credited by thousands of Hmong refugees with helping them build new lives in the U.S.

Hmong leaders in Thailand said they found the charges unbelievable. "I don't believe Gen. Vang Pao planned to cause trouble in Laos. I think the charges are meant by rival Hmong in the United States to smear him," said Ming Wui, a Hmong Christian minister in Thailand's Phetchabun province.

The seven others charged were all prominent members of the Hmong community from California's Central Valley. All nine are charged with violating the federal Neutrality Act and face the possibility of life in prison.

"No matter how strongly held their beliefs, citizens of the United States cannot become involved in a plot to overthrow a sovereign government with which the United States is at peace," Drew Parenti,        FBI special agent in charge of the Sacramento region, said during a news conference following the defendants' initial court appearance.

Another suspect, Nhia Kao Vang of the Sacramento suburb of Rancho Cordova, was arrested later Monday based on information obtained from the others.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Kimberly J. Mueller ordered the defendants held until separate hearings later this week. 

Attorneys representing the defendants who appeared in federal court Monday declined to comment. 

The defendants acted through the Lao liberation movement known as Neo Hom, led in the U.S. by Vang Pao. It conducted extensive fundraising, directed surveillance operations and organized a force of insurgent troops within Laos, according to the complaint. 

As recently as May, people acting on behalf of the committee were gathering intelligence about military installations and government buildings in the Laotian capital of Vientiane, according to prosecutors. The defendants had gone so far as to issue "an operations plan" to a contractor who was to conduct a military strike in the city and reduce government buildings to rubble, the complaint alleged. 

Jack acted as the negotiator between the Hmong leaders and the undercover agent, according to court records.

From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 15:17:40 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:17:40 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
In-Reply-To: <703353.53601.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <fe5aabf50706041937r25ded1c6mf43130e4c124b02@mail.gmail.com>
	<703353.53601.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50706051517o5689ec30qd4f29e88c7fb4e9f@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Brother Tuan & CACC,

Thanks for the note, brother Tuan.  We already have a forum.  VNBIZ is
a forum with 3 archives on the Net for the public to search.  The
benefit of having on single blog (or one single website) for an
important issue is that it will appear more prominent and therefore
keep the issue standing out more.

About providing feedback to the Vietnamese government, that is a
matter of attitude.  It is not what you say but how you say it, and
for what purpose.  In this family, we maintain a fundamental
philosophy that all Vietnamese are brothers and sisters and that
everyone's opinion and feedback are to build a nation of brothers and
sisters.  There are many hatred preachers around using politics to
preach hatred and division.  I am not fond of such activities.  Have
the right heart, and what comes out of the right heart will be right.
 I have not seeing any convincing evidence that you are harassed
simply by providing frank and honest feedback, even stingy feedback.
This forum itself is the concrete evidence of that.

Have a great day!

Hoanh



On 6/5/07, Tuan Nguyen <diespiter at yahoo.com> wrote:
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> 1. Do the people have an intrinsic right to have a say in issues
> affecting their lives?  Well, it depends on their government.  In the
> case of the U.S., yes - we have the right to petition the government
> (it's in our constitution) and it is exercised regularly.  I have no
> clue about VN's constitution, but anecdotal evidence suggests that in
> practice protests and expression of political differences are seldom
> tolerated.  The only protests that seem to be tolerated (and reported
> by the press) are labor protests directed at foreign firms.  So in
> short, the only "rights" the people have are those guaranteed in their
> covenants with their respective governments (generally the national
> constitutions) and how those convenants are actually enforced.
>
> 2. A forum format as opposed to a mailing list would be better suited
> to what you have described here.  Instead of multiple websites, you'll
> only need one to house the forum and people could post and reply to
> "topics" that'll keep all info together and coherent.  An example is
> one forum on development with a section devoted to Vietnam in
> particular:
>
> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=588
>
> And here's what they have to say about development at Nha Trang:
>
> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=376092
>
> Careful about providing "feedback" to the VN government though.  There
> have been a flurry of jailings lately, one for no less than translating
> a U.S. State Department's article on democracy.
>
> Tuan
>
> --
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC

From Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov  Tue Jun  5 15:44:19 2007
From: Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov (Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:44:19 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
In-Reply-To: <fe5aabf50706051517o5689ec30qd4f29e88c7fb4e9f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF7B156BF3.22A35F9E-ON852572F1.007B1DAF-852572F1.007CE8B8@mail.doc.gov>

Dear anh Hoanh,
Perhaps you've not seen any evidence of harassment for providing frank, 
honest, even stinging feedback because matters that are discussed here on 
VnBiz haven't been done so in a manner that is frank, honest or stinging 
enough.  In my view, many of the activists recently jailed in Vietnam are 
also working to build a better Vietnam.  There are plenty of 
self-censorship here, if we are honest with ourselves.  Also, remember 
that those of us not living in Vietnam are not subject to the same 
treatment or harrasment simply because we aren't there.
I don't disagree with your peaceful approach.  But let's not sing 
ourselves a lullaby either!
Best,  HPP 




"Tran Dinh Hoanh" <tdhoanh at gmail.com> 
Sent by: vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com
06/05/2007 06:17 PM
Please respond to
vnbiz at vietlinks.net


To
vnbiz at vietlinks.net
cc

Subject
Re: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay






[ Vietnam Business Forum ]

Dear Brother Tuan & CACC,

Thanks for the note, brother Tuan.  We already have a forum.  VNBIZ is
a forum with 3 archives on the Net for the public to search.  The
benefit of having on single blog (or one single website) for an
important issue is that it will appear more prominent and therefore
keep the issue standing out more.

About providing feedback to the Vietnamese government, that is a
matter of attitude.  It is not what you say but how you say it, and
for what purpose.  In this family, we maintain a fundamental
philosophy that all Vietnamese are brothers and sisters and that
everyone's opinion and feedback are to build a nation of brothers and
sisters.  There are many hatred preachers around using politics to
preach hatred and division.  I am not fond of such activities.  Have
the right heart, and what comes out of the right heart will be right.
 I have not seeing any convincing evidence that you are harassed
simply by providing frank and honest feedback, even stingy feedback.
This forum itself is the concrete evidence of that.

Have a great day!

Hoanh



On 6/5/07, Tuan Nguyen <diespiter at yahoo.com> wrote:
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> 1. Do the people have an intrinsic right to have a say in issues
> affecting their lives?  Well, it depends on their government.  In the
> case of the U.S., yes - we have the right to petition the government
> (it's in our constitution) and it is exercised regularly.  I have no
> clue about VN's constitution, but anecdotal evidence suggests that in
> practice protests and expression of political differences are seldom
> tolerated.  The only protests that seem to be tolerated (and reported
> by the press) are labor protests directed at foreign firms.  So in
> short, the only "rights" the people have are those guaranteed in their
> covenants with their respective governments (generally the national
> constitutions) and how those convenants are actually enforced.
>
> 2. A forum format as opposed to a mailing list would be better suited
> to what you have described here.  Instead of multiple websites, you'll
> only need one to house the forum and people could post and reply to
> "topics" that'll keep all info together and coherent.  An example is
> one forum on development with a section devoted to Vietnam in
> particular:
>
> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=588
>
> And here's what they have to say about development at Nha Trang:
>
> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=376092
>
> Careful about providing "feedback" to the VN government though.  There
> have been a flurry of jailings lately, one for no less than translating
> a U.S. State Department's article on democracy.
>
> Tuan
>
> --
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 16:08:43 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:08:43 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
In-Reply-To: <OF7B156BF3.22A35F9E-ON852572F1.007B1DAF-852572F1.007CE8B8@mail.doc.gov>
References: <fe5aabf50706051517o5689ec30qd4f29e88c7fb4e9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<OF7B156BF3.22A35F9E-ON852572F1.007B1DAF-852572F1.007CE8B8@mail.doc.gov>
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50706051608x465dfa9fxa0cab603cd7a75e6@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Brother Phong & CACC,

Of course, we have to use self censorship, or self control or whatever you
want to call it.  We want to say things in a brotherly spirit, then we have
to control our writing and our talks reflect that spirit.   Even in
our dealing with our parents and children at home, the fundamental spirit is
what that counts, the subject matter of a discussion is secondary.

There are places that everyone can say all kinds dirty things about Vietnam,
its government and its people unrestrictively, and the spirit is to keep
waging a war that is already over 30 years ago. That is destructive to the
country and our people.  And I don't consider them "just another voice."
Please, not everything in life is equal.

Have a great day!

Hoanh

On 6/5/07, Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov <Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
>
> Dear anh Hoanh,
> Perhaps you've not seen any evidence of harassment for providing frank,
> honest, even stinging feedback because matters that are discussed here on
> VnBiz haven't been done so in a manner that is frank, honest or stinging
> enough.  In my view, many of the activists recently jailed in Vietnam are
> also working to build a better Vietnam.  There are plenty of self-censorship
> here, if we are honest with ourselves.  Also, remember that those of us not
> living in Vietnam are not subject to the same treatment or harrasment simply
> because we aren't there.
> I don't disagree with your peaceful approach.  But let's not sing
> ourselves a lullaby either!
> Best,  HPP
>
>
>
>   *"Tran Dinh Hoanh" <tdhoanh at gmail.com>*
> Sent by: vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com
>
> 06/05/2007 06:17 PM   Please respond to
> vnbiz at vietlinks.net
>
>    To
> vnbiz at vietlinks.net  cc
>   Subject
> Re: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
>
>
>
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> Dear Brother Tuan & CACC,
>
> Thanks for the note, brother Tuan.  We already have a forum.  VNBIZ is
> a forum with 3 archives on the Net for the public to search.  The
> benefit of having on single blog (or one single website) for an
> important issue is that it will appear more prominent and therefore
> keep the issue standing out more.
>
> About providing feedback to the Vietnamese government, that is a
> matter of attitude.  It is not what you say but how you say it, and
> for what purpose.  In this family, we maintain a fundamental
> philosophy that all Vietnamese are brothers and sisters and that
> everyone's opinion and feedback are to build a nation of brothers and
> sisters.  There are many hatred preachers around using politics to
> preach hatred and division.  I am not fond of such activities.  Have
> the right heart, and what comes out of the right heart will be right.
> I have not seeing any convincing evidence that you are harassed
> simply by providing frank and honest feedback, even stingy feedback.
> This forum itself is the concrete evidence of that.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Hoanh
>
>
-- 
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC
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From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Tue Jun  5 18:07:19 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:07:19 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
References: <OF7B156BF3.22A35F9E-ON852572F1.007B1DAF-852572F1.007CE8B8@mail.doc.gov>
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B14F525CD@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Dear Phong and Tuan,

I have seen too many frank discussions here and there and everywhere in the last 30 years and I don't want to see that kind of discussion here in this forum. 

Tai 


-----Original Message-----
From:	vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com on behalf of Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov
Sent:	Tue 6/5/2007 6:44 PM
To:	vnbiz at vietlinks.net
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From cstevenson2000 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  5 20:16:52 2007
From: cstevenson2000 at gmail.com (Craig Stevenson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:16:52 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
In-Reply-To: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B14F525CD@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>
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	<4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B14F525CD@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>
Message-ID: <a77371e30706052016h4cfa4ac6ua870a4bf59ba744e@mail.gmail.com>

Tai, I hope the following is not too frank for you.

Dear CACC:

In deference to anh Hoanh I must say that I have been impressed with his
frankness and the manner in which he advocates constructive change through
engagement.  Alternatively, one could take a much more direct and abrasive
approach.  But then, would we lose the ability to maintain a discussion with
all despite where they might reside?

 VNBIZ is dedicated to the development of the country, nothing more (per my
understanding and in my participation at the very least).  We all have our
opinions of what is right and what is wrong but it doesn't mean that we must
force our beliefs on others; or have the right to speak in a potentially
disruptive manner.


Many changes would benefit Viet Nam as it develops.  Better would those
changes occur in steps with the consent of the powers that be for
maintaining the stability of the nation.  Much is said of China at present,
yet its grave concern to maintain stability in light of rising tension is
little discussed.  It is my perception that Vietnam is greatly more stable
and better off because of it. Surely changes have and will become more
apparent to those who lead and it is their responsibility, not mine, to
define and implement necessary alterations.  Attack corruption, attack
inferior education, attack poverty, support stability, support peaceful
change in stages as will naturally occur from development. Put food in their
stomachs before ire in their hearts and you will come to know the changes
you desire.

Viet Nam is developing.  Viet Nam has great potential.  Viet Nam has great
challenges to fulfill its role in the world.  Viet Nam's leaders must be
more aware of them than we are (at least than I am) and surely understand
this.

>From the onset of Doi Moi, a conscious choice to devolve full centralized
control for the betterment of the people was made.  Increased sharing of
control is a historical reality of the choice to entertain market economics.
The acceptance of market principles results in a devolution of power. Like
any who lead they are performing a balancing act.  Moving from the past to
the future involves a delicate interplay between competing interests.

The interests that bind to a past of poverty will succumb to a future of
prosperity.  Frankly, moving slowly in the right direction is better than
abrupt change which might result in the creation of oligarchs; read Stiglitz
on some nations following the fall of the Berlin Wall.

 Vietnam's future is based upon a young, engaged, and educated workforce
able to interact more fundamentally within an ever more competitive
international environment.  To see the potential of this population,
alterations to many current policies will need to be made.

It is my sincere belief that those who lead (a nation, a company, or a
family) tend to want to do a good job for all within the (nation, company,
and family).

 Certainly Ho Chi Minh did.

I suggest that rather than trite condemnation, contrarians should rather
return to their homeland, devoid of political intention, and filled with a
desire to increase the collective good. From this perspective I believe you
would find many worthy causes and exciting challenges that could lend to the
creation of life experiences that are truly rewarding, life-sustaining, and
spirit-fulfilling.  I like money, I like worthy causes and rewarding life
experiences well more.

Finally, and this is leveled at everyone and no-one in particular,  I am
tired of we in the West, in wealthy industrialized societies, pretending
that the simple right to speak is worth more than food in the belly and
knowledge in the brain.  Let us work on Maslows foundations and the rest
will follow in due course.

Peace and Smiles,

Craig



"People deal too much with the negative, with what is wrong...Why not try
and see positive things, to just touch those things and make them bloom?"

(not me although I wish I had coined this wonderful quote, some may know who
this is)



On 6/5/07, Phan, Tai <Tai.Phan at ed.gov> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
> Dear Phong and Tuan,
>
> I have seen too many frank discussions here and there and everywhere in
> the last 30 years and I don't want to see that kind of discussion here in
> this forum.
>
> Tai
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com on behalf of
> Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov
> Sent:   Tue 6/5/2007 6:44 PM
> To:     vnbiz at vietlinks.net
> Cc:     vnbiz at vietlinks.net; vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com
> Subject:        Re: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ducpc83 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  5 23:31:40 2007
From: ducpc83 at yahoo.com (Duc Phamcao)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:31:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vnbiz] real estate data
Message-ID: <362957.33364.qm@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
   
  I am doing some research on Vietnam's construction & real estate market. If you have any data about this sector or any source of information, please give me a help. 
  It's also of great fun if some one who has the same interest can work on together and give some advice
   
  Thanks and Best regards,
   
   

       
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From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Wed Jun  6 04:11:48 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 07:11:48 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF4141B@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Craig,
 
You have a better say than I am.  
 
Thank you,
 
Tai

-----Original Message-----
From: vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com [mailto:vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com]On Behalf Of Craig Stevenson
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:17 PM
To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net
Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay



Tai, I hope the following is not too frank for you.



Dear CACC:

In deference to anh Hoanh I must say that I have been impressed with his frankness and the manner in which he advocates constructive change through engagement.  Alternatively, one could take a much more direct and abrasive approach.  But then, would we lose the ability to maintain a discussion with all despite where they might reside? 


 VNBIZ is dedicated to the development of the country, nothing more (per my understanding and in my participation at the very least).  We all have our opinions of what is right and what is wrong but it doesn't mean that we must force our beliefs on others; or have the right to speak in a potentially disruptive manner.  


Many changes would benefit Viet Nam as it develops.  Better would those changes occur in steps with the consent of the powers that be for maintaining the stability of the nation.  Much is said of China at present, yet its grave concern to maintain stability in light of rising tension is little discussed.  It is my perception that Vietnam is greatly more stable and better off because of it. Surely changes have and will become more apparent to those who lead and it is their responsibility, not mine, to define and implement necessary alterations.  Attack corruption, attack inferior education, attack poverty, support stability, support peaceful change in stages as will naturally occur from development. Put food in their stomachs before ire in their hearts and you will come to know the changes you desire.  

Viet Nam is developing.  Viet Nam has great potential.  Viet Nam has great challenges to fulfill its role in the world.  Viet Nam's leaders must be more aware of them than we are (at least than I am) and surely understand this.  

>From the onset of Doi Moi, a conscious choice to devolve full centralized control for the betterment of the people was made.  Increased sharing of control is a historical reality of the choice to entertain market economics. The acceptance of market principles results in a devolution of power. Like any who lead they are performing a balancing act.  Moving from the past to the future involves a delicate interplay between competing interests.  

The interests that bind to a past of poverty will succumb to a future of prosperity.  Frankly, moving slowly in the right direction is better than abrupt change which might result in the creation of oligarchs; read Stiglitz on some nations following the fall of the Berlin Wall. 

 Vietnam's future is based upon a young, engaged, and educated workforce able to interact more fundamentally within an ever more competitive international environment.  To see the potential of this population, alterations to many current policies will need to be made. 

It is my sincere belief that those who lead (a nation, a company, or a family) tend to want to do a good job for all within the (nation, company, and family).  

 Certainly Ho Chi Minh did.

I suggest that rather than trite condemnation, contrarians should rather return to their homeland, devoid of political intention, and filled with a desire to increase the collective good. From this perspective I believe you would find many worthy causes and exciting challenges that could lend to the creation of life experiences that are truly rewarding, life-sustaining, and spirit-fulfilling.  I like money, I like worthy causes and rewarding life experiences well more.  


Finally, and this is leveled at everyone and no-one in particular,  I am tired of we in the West, in wealthy industrialized societies, pretending that the simple right to speak is worth more than food in the belly and knowledge in the brain.  Let us work on Maslows foundations and the rest will follow in due course. 

Peace and Smiles, 


Craig 

 

"People deal too much with the negative, with what is wrong...Why not try and see positive things, to just touch those things and make them bloom?"  


(not me although I wish I had coined this wonderful quote, some may know who this is)





On 6/5/07, Phan, Tai < Tai.Phan at ed.gov> wrote: 

[ Vietnam Business Forum ]


Dear Phong and Tuan,

I have seen too many frank discussions here and there and everywhere in the last 30 years and I don't want to see that kind of discussion here in this forum. 

Tai


-----Original Message-----
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Sent:   Tue 6/5/2007 6:44 PM
To:     vnbiz at vietlinks.net
Cc:     vnbiz at vietlinks.net; vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com
Subject:        Re: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay

[ Vietnam Business Forum ]





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From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Wed Jun  6 04:41:37 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 07:41:37 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Taiwan outsources to Vietnam
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF4141D@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Taiwan outsources to Vietnam 



By Paul Hales in Old Taipei
2007 VNU Business Publications Ltd. 
Wednesday 06 June 2007

THERE IS LITTLE DOUBT that Taiwan is the local IT powerhouse. Mainland China is increasingly the manufacturing hub, but much of the IT activity there is driven by Taiwanese expertise. 
Now Taiwan has signed an memorandum of understanding (MOU) with Vietnam to promote cooperation and "high-tech exchange". 

The exchange is likely to be largely one way. The expertise comes from Taiwan, the labour, Vietnam will supply. Chairman of the Institute for Information Industry, Ke Chih-sheng in announcing the deal, noted that Vietman has a "hard-working" labour force and has posted average economic growth figures of 7-8 per cent over recent years. 

Indeed, Vietnam's recent economic performance is bettered only by that of China. 

Ke said the deal with Vietnam would help reduce Taiwan's reliance on China for its manufacturing needs. 

Vietnam was admitted into the club of capitalism, the World Trade Organisation only at the beginning of this year. Taiwan is currently the biggest foreign investor in the country, having channeled some $8 billion (US) into the country in 2006. 

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Wed Jun  6 04:50:49 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 07:50:49 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Vietnam's Ministry of Education and Training Recognizes
	Cisco
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF4141E@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Vietnam's Ministry of Education and Training Recognizes Cisco for Efforts to Raise Country's Technology Skills
6/5/2007       
 
HANOI, VIETNAM, Jun 05, 2007 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX News Network) -- 
Cisco(R) (NASDAQ: CSCO) today announced that it has been honored with two awards from Vietnam's Ministry of Education and Training for its contribution to advancing education and research in the country. The awards are one of the highest forms of recognition that the Vietnamese government gives to private companies and individuals upon recommendation by Vietnam's university community. 

The first award is a certificate of appreciation to Cisco for its commitment to technical education in the country through its Cisco Networking Academy(R) Program. The second is an Education Career medal, given to Professor Christopher Hoang Pham, a Cisco senior engineering manager of the U.S.-based Network Software and System Technology Group, for his contribution to research and development through the networking laboratory in the Hanoi University of Technology (HUT) and other educational activities. 

The Networking Academy program fosters local economic growth by developing and supporting technical education worldwide. Cisco provides educational institutions with leading-edge information technology (IT) curricula and hands-on lab exercises to train a workforce that may attract highly desirable employers. The Networking Academy program was first launched in Vietnam in 2001 with only one academy and now has developed to 19 academies throughout the country. Over six years, the program has produced more than 600 alumni. Nearly 4,000 students have been taught by about 200 instructors in 650 courses. 

Beside the Networking Academy program, Cisco has carried out a series of educational activities under Pham's guidance. These include: 


-- Providing equipment and consultation for the networking laboratory in
HUT;
-- Facilitating numerous science and technology seminars and conferences
in Vietnam for professors and students;
-- Arranging the visits of Vietnamese educational groups to the United
States for on-site experience and discussion;
-- Providing technical consultation for and designing the networking
infrastructure of government offices and classrooms in Vietnam to raise
classroom quality to international standards;
-- Creating a network for students and teachers to enhance their
knowledge and understanding through consultations with experts abroad; and
-- Contributing to disaster relief through donations.



The Cisco Asian Affinity Network, in which Pham serves as a core team member, reaches out globally to mentor educators and students in Vietnam and many other Asian countries. 

"Cisco is honored with these awards from the ministry," said James Chia, general director for Cisco Vietnam. "We always place a high priority on giving back to the community, and the Cisco Networking Academy Program represents the best way that we can do that. The program provides students with an excellent foundation for life in the technology industry, and these youths will in turn become the backbone for an economically vibrant Vietnam." 

The Cisco Networking Academy Program is a comprehensive program that provides students with the Internet technology skills essential in a global economy. The program delivers Web-based content, online assessments, student-performance tracking, hands-on labs, instructor training and support, and preparation for industry standard certifications. 
 

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Wed Jun  6 05:16:17 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 08:16:17 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Hmong hopes for Laos fall to pieces
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF41420@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Hmong hopes for Laos fall to pieces
Vang Pao charges halt refugees' quest to return to home
BY LAURA YUEN, JOHN BREWER and TIM NELSON 
Pioneer Press
Article Last Updated: 06/05/2007 11:33:58 PM CDT


Even as the dream grew more distant with each passing decade, many of Vang Pao's aging followers clung to the hope of returning to their native Laos. 

But federal charges accusing the Hmong leader and nine other California men of trying to realize that dream through violence is crushing long-held aspirations. 

A group of first-generation Hmong refugees still yearns for a democratic Laos, even though the Southeast Asian nation has been a bastion of communism ever since Vang Pao fled the mountains there 30 years ago. 

The U.S. government's prosecution of the Hmong-American leader, who has been behind bars in a Sacramento, Calif., jail since Monday, "is the end of a chapter," said Doug Hartwick, a former U.S. ambassador to Laos. 

Regardless of Vang Pao's guilt or innocence, "it's tragic, it's sad, it's the end of a story for people from Laos who suffered a lot," Hartwick said. "But (a violent coup) is simply not acceptable." 

Gen. Vang Pao, 77, was among 10 men charged this week with plotting to overthrow the government in Laos. The former Royal Lao Army commander made his initial appearance in federal court Tuesday. 

Private defense attorney John Balazs of Sacramento was appointed by the court to represent the general. 

"He's 77 years old, he's had a heart attack, he's diabetic - I think he's doing as well as he can under the circumstances," Balazs said. "But the jail's not a good place for someone who's elderly and in poor health." 

A detention hearing is scheduled for Monday, Balazs said. 
In Minnesota, former U.S. Attorney Tom Heffelfinger, now in private practice, said that Steve Young - former Hamline University law school dean and longtime adviser to Vang Pao - approached him on behalf of the state's Hmong community to weigh Vang Pao's legal options. 

"I was asked to assist them in making certain that Vang Pao gets a lawyer of his choice,'' said Heffelfinger, who added that he does not personally know the general. "These are very serious charges he is facing." 

Heffelfinger also would not discuss whether he might ultimately represent Vang Pao. 

"Right, now, at this point, that would be just speculation,'' Heffelfinger said. 

Balazs released a statement about the general Tuesday that highlighted Vang Pao's contributions to the Hmong community in the United States as well as his contributions to U.S. efforts in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War era. 

"It is well-documented that, with his leadership, Hmong forces rescued downed U.S. pilots and provided crucial support for the U.S. military in its war in Vietnam," the statement read. "In short, he stands for peace - not violence." 

A LONG STRUGGLE 

Vang Pao, who splits his time between homes in the Twin Cities and Southern California, was in St. Paul as recently as two weekends ago to watch a veterans' soccer tournament, said Chu Wu, a community activist leading efforts to build a Hmong war memorial near the state Capitol. 

Despite reports suggesting the general is frail, Chu Wu described Vang Pao as appearing "normal" but quiet. The two met to discuss updates on the memorial project. 

News of the U.S. government's charges against Vang Pao will sadden Hmong elders, especially war veterans who assisted Americans in the fight against communists in Southeast Asia, Chu Wu said. 

"A lot of the elders, I always heard that was their Number 1 request - to go home," Chu Wu said. "Now, many of them will continue living in this country, probably until they die." 

In the opening decade of the Cold War, the ethnic minority Hmong fought to defend their adopted homes in the Laotian highlands, eventually battling the dominant Communist Pathet Lao forces and their North Vietnamese allies. Aided by the CIA and other U.S. agents in the early 1960s, Vang Pao and his Hmong army fought a "secret war" that in some respects came to rival the armed struggle in neighboring Vietnam. 

Hmong resistance in Laos collapsed in 1975 when the United States ended its military involvement in the region. Vang Pao fled Laos with many of his followers, who eventually resettled in the United States. Their settlement was a gesture of American appreciation for their efforts. 

MayKao Fredericks, 32, of Eden Prairie, sympathizes with the Hmong in this country who hold out hope of returning to their homeland. Some elders never assimilated to American culture, having arriving in this country traumatized by war and believing they were too old to find good jobs or earn college degrees. 

"We're talking about a generation lost in history," said Fredericks, a Hmong-American woman who arrived in the United States at age 1. 

Some supported Vang Pao's cause with their pocketbooks. Leaders within his Neo Hom resistance group sought money from Hmong-American refugee families, many of them impoverished and "desperately lost in this new place," said Hartwick, the former ambassador. 

"You tend to look at the old clan and military leaders. When they tell you to do things, you just do it," Hartwick said. "Over the years, that network started to break down. Maybe the father or the mother tended to donate, and when it came to the son, he would say, 'Why would I do that? I don't have money to do that.' The communities got smarter." 

Federal prosecutors declined to comment on whether any of the money for the alleged $9.8 million plan to purchase weapons and take over the Lao government came from Minnesota. Hartwick said he would be "very surprised" if it were not the case, given the Twin Cities' large and long-standing Hmong-American population. 

The general's waning credibility, as well as legal concerns about money raised for organizations associated with him, gave Hartwick hope that the violent insurgency would eventually peter out. 

When he met with Vang Pao a few years ago, the general professed that he had no desire to topple the Lao government. As ambassador from 2001 to 2004, Hartwick warned Hmong-American communities not to support violent efforts here and abroad to undermine the government of Laos. 

"In the post-9/11 world, it was something very akin to terrorism," Hartwick said. 

Ellen Endrizzi, an assistant U.S. attorney working on the Vang Pao case, said a fellow prosecutor's statements Monday about "thousands of co-conspirators" was likely in reference to the thousands of insurgents mentioned by defendants in the criminal complaint as well as donors involved in the planned coup. 

"If you're giving money for the purchase of weapons, then you're a co-conspirator in the sense that that's illegal," she said. "Are we going to indict 1,000 people? Of course not." 

GENERATIONS DIVIDED 

The plot to overthrow the communist regime in Laos was anything but a secret, said Tou Pho Lee, a former Hmong guerrilla fighter who once battled Pathet Lao forces in the jungles of Southeast Asia. 

"We have talked about taking our country back for many years," Tou Pho Lee said. "Every year, General Vang Pao comes and talks about taking our country back. It's not new. We have talked about it openly." 

A native of Laos who fled the country in 1980, the Minneapolis machinist said he felt the United States is betraying the Hmong after decades of encouraging them to fight the communist forces running the country. 

That sense of shock and betrayal runs deep in some older circles within the Hmong-American community, said state Rep. Cy Thao, DFL-St. Paul. 

"If you are my father's generation, I think you will feel the irony," he said. "Thirty years ago, you guys risked your lives to save America, and 30 years later, they are going after you." 

Some Hmong-American community members worry that the prosecution could signal trouble for Hmong rebel groups fighting to survive in Laos. 

"This will give the Lao government more authority and power to go after the former military that served under the CIA," Chu Wu said. 

To the majority of Hmong-Americans, though, the goal was to stay in the United States and contribute to this country, said MayKao Hang, a director with the Ramsey County Human Services Department. 

"I don't see how this will impact me and my life, quite frankly," she said. "There's always been a group of older people in the community who have had this dream of returning to Laos, but for those who have resettled into the United States, it was really to find a better life, and to go to a country where you could become somebody." 

Rub?n Rosario contributed to this report. 

Laura Yuen can be reached at lyuen at pioneerpress.com or 651-228-5498.

From cstevenson2000 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 10:37:51 2007
From: cstevenson2000 at gmail.com (Craig Stevenson)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:37:51 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] IT
Message-ID: <a77371e30706061037v7a154e00kf58496adde15cd3a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi:

Anyone out there skilled in website development, Sharepoint, Open
Courseware?

Craig
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From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Thu Jun  7 04:44:17 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:44:17 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Vietnamese fishermen "salvage" Internet lines
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF4143C@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Vietnamese fishermen "salvage" Internet lines
Thu Jun 7, 2007 1:20am ET


HANOI (Reuters) - Fishermen who were allowed to take unused war-era undersea copper cables have gone too far, "salvaging" fibre-optic lines providing some of Vietnam's Internet and other international communications.

A Ministry of Posts and Telematics report seen on Thursday urged authorities in central and southern regions to prevent the theft of cable, whose loss underdeveloped Vietnam can ill afford.

"The general assessment is that most fishermen, and in some cases even the local authorities, had a very simple understanding of the consequences of the theft of under-sea fibre optic cable," the report on a May 31 to June 5 investigation said.

State-run newspapers said an 11-km (7-mile) section of stolen TVH fibre-optic cable would be replaced at a cost of $5.8 million. It was part of the line that transmits data from Vietnam to Thailand and Hong Kong.



In all, about 43 km (27 miles) of fibre-optic cable is missing, including about 32 km (20 miles) stolen from a cable operated by a Singaporean company.

"Now just one undersea cable connects Vietnam with the outside world," Thanh Nien (Young People) newspaper said.

The theft began after the government in the southern province of Ba Ria-Vung Tau last year allowed fishermen and soldiers to salvage undersea copper cable laid before 1975 to sell as scrap.

The Vietnam war in which the United States backed a South Vietnam government, ended in April 1975 when communist North Vietnam troops captured Saigon, now Ho Chi Minh City.

The permission to salvage the cable has been withdrawn, the ministry has asked the Coast Guard to increase patrols and inspections and officials have started a public relations campaign to educate fishermen about the importance of the cables.


? Reuters 2007. All Rights Reserved. 

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Thu Jun  7 05:05:29 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:05:29 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Loose tongues foil 'Laos plot'
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF4143D@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>


Jun 8, 2007  
  
AsiaTimes 
  

Loose tongues foil 'Laos plot'
By Richard S Ehrlich 

BANGKOK - After a US Justice Department undercover agent displayed a Stinger surface-to-air missile in a bugged Hilton hotel room in Sacramento, California, the motley crew of would-be revolutionaries began to suspect that they might be the victims of a "sting" operation. They were right. 

A mysterious woman named Lisa - "last name unknown", as it appears on the indictment - was allegedly tasked to find out who the man with the Stinger really was and whether a gang of



desperate Americans in California, and ethnic Hmong from Laos, were about to be busted. 

The furtive Americans and Hmong allegedly boasted that the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was "standing by and ready to roll" to ensure success for their clumsy coup attempt in Laos. 

They didn't realize that their California restaurant meetings, anxious telephone conversations, and hurried chats in urban parking lots would appear this Monday in a 90-page affidavit by the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). The government takes a dim view of plotters using US soil to overthrow governments of nations "with which the US is at peace". 

Weapons and ammunition, bought for US$100,000, were to be smuggled into Bangkok next Tuesday, June 12, followed by delivery of at least two Stinger missiles designed to shoot down aircraft, the ATF affidavit said. 

To gain military-style training so they could overthrow the communist regime and rule the Southeast Asian nation, some of the men allegedly hoped to join the California Highway Patrol's Sacramento academy to learn "internal security, operations, and road control", because the campus has one of "the best law-enforcement training programs available". 

After 10 men were arrested in California, where they were charged with a slew of felonies on Monday, attention focused on two of the jailed Americans who had undergone US military training, plus combat experience in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War era. 

The CIA had run a bloody "secret war" in Laos after turning much of the country into a vast graveyard, gouged by massive US aerial bombardments. The country fell to the communist Pathet Lao about the same time that the North Vietnamese conquered the South and the Khmer Rouge took control of Cambodia. 

The Vietnamese ousted the Khmer Rouge from Cambodia in 1979, and a decade later it became a multi-party democracy under United Nations-supervised elections. Laos, however, has remained a communist country, and thus a tempting target for Americans and Hmong bent on reversing history. 

According to the ATF, the most prominent suspect is a 1968 graduate of the US Military Academy in West Point, New York, and Vietnam War veteran, Harrison Ulrich Jack. He left the US Army in 1977, and eventually retired from the California National Guard as a lieutenant-colonel, settling in Woodland, near Sacramento, where he ran "a consulting business focusing on environmental issues". 

The ATF's other main suspect is the CIA's infamous former Hmong mercenary leader, General Vang Pao. Vang Pao became a US citizen as a reward for killing communists and others in Laos during the Vietnam War, when Washington paid a pittance to thousands of impoverished minority ethnic Hmong to fight and die so Americans would not be killed. 

"Jack said he works directly for General Vang Pao and had worked for the Hmong community for the past 10 years," the undercover ATF agent said in the affidavit. 

The group's alleged clandestine strategy, financing, and choice of weaponry provide an eerie look at how a group of wanna-be warriors in California attempted illegally to invade and occupy a country on the other side of the world. 

Thailand, a US military ally, was to be the unwitting launching pad for the "military expedition" by the Americans and Hmong to infiltrate Laos. The alleged target was Vientiane, the languid capital of Laos, just across the Mekong River from Thailand. 

In the late 1960s and early 1970s, Thailand provided the US with airbases, Thai troops, "rest and recreation" facilities and other assistance to fight in Laos, but Bangkok now deals with Laos as a friendly commercial partner and trendy tourist destination. 

Last month, the California plotters said they had "a man on the ground [in Vientiane], walking around like a tourist with his digital camera, trying to get whatever pictures he can" of government buildings to obliterate, the ATF said. 

Jack is portrayed as the gang's unwitting blabbermouth, relentlessly pushing the plot along while mindlessly providing the latest details to an undercover agent. 

Jack also allegedly told the agent that the CIA was in on the plot. "I understood his statement to mean that the CIA was preparing 
 
 
to assist the Hmong insurgency once the takeover of Laos had begun," the agent said. 

The conspirators "were intent on securing Vientiane and Long Chien, which Jack told me was a former CIA base", the agent reportedly said. Long Chien was a base for hundreds of aircraft during the war, including the CIA-owned Air America's planes. 

"Jack told me his Hmong contacts had raised a lot of money



through Air America but had not taken any money from the CIA," the ATF agent said, without elaborating. 

"Harrison Ulrich Jack came to ATF's attention in the fall of 2006 when he reached out to a defense contractor whom he knew and inquired about purchasing 500 AK-47s," the affidavit said, referring to Kalashnikov assault rifles. "The defense contractor was very concerned, and went to the Phoenix ATF office." 

An ATF agent in San Francisco, code-named "Steve", was assigned to Jack's case. "On February 7, 2007, acting in an undercover capacity as an arms dealer, I met with Jack, General Vang Pao" and about a dozen of Vang Pao's "Neo Hom" supporters, he said. 

While they all munched lunch in the "Amarin Thai Restaurant in Sacramento", the wired agent recorded their conversations. 

"After the meal, I offered to display the weapons I had available for sale. I walked Jack, Vang Pao, and the other Neo Hom members to a recreational vehicle that I had arranged to be parked close to the Thai restaurant. 

"Audio and video recording devices were used while the targets were in the RV. Jack, Vang Pao, and approximately 12 Neo Hom members looked at and/or handled" machine-guns, grenade launchers, an anti-tank rocket, a Claymore mine, and C-4 plastic explosives "that they believed were for sale". 

On May 9, confident that guns and ammo would soon be illegally delivered in Thailand, "Jack asked me if I had a preferred currency, and I told him I preferred US dollars as opposed to Thai baht. 

"Jack and I discussed a finder's fee for Jack's role in brokering this, and possible future deals for weapons. I suggested a flat $7,500 fee for the initial transaction and a 3% fee for the next, presumably larger order," the agent said. 

He said he later upped Jack's commission for a weapons deal worth $9.8 million, offering Jack 5%. 

One of Jack's main comrades was would-be "president or Laos" Lo Cha Thao, who allegedly met with Jack and the ATF agent during much of the planning stage, while claiming to have 5,000 fighters inside Laos, waiting for the weapons. 

Lo Cha Thao allegedly claimed he wanted to destroy several official buildings in Vientiane - "like September 11" - so people in Laos could see that the communist regime had lost its power to command and control. 

"I showed the group several satellite images downloaded from Google of the area around the Vientiane Vattay [Wattay] International Airport and the Laos Royal Palace in Vientiane, Laos," the agent said. 

Lo Cha Thao "asked me if the Stingers were capable of shooting down a MiG [warplane]. I told Lo that the Stinger was made to shoot down jet aircraft." 

The ATF said Jack, Vang Pao, and four others wanted to buy two Stinger missiles after a Stinger was displayed to others in the group in the Hilton. 

"Conspiracy to receive and possess missile systems designed to destroy aircraft" is one of several charges against Jack, Vang Pao and the others. 

The CIA generously handed out Stingers to its Afghan "holy warrior" mujahideen during the 1980s to help the US-financed Islamist guerrillas win a 10-year-long war against the Soviet Union's occupation of Afghanistan. After that war, numerous Stingers appeared on the black market. Washington belatedly offered rewards for their return amid fears that the shoulder-fired, heat-seeking rockets would be aimed at US commercial aircraft by anti-American rebels. 

Richard S Ehrlich is a Bangkok-based journalist from San Francisco. He has reported news from Asia since 1978 and is co-author of the non-fiction book of investigative journalism, Hello My Big Big Honey! Love Letters to Bangkok Bar Girls and Their Revealing Interviews. He received Columbia University's Graduate School of Journalism's Foreign Correspondents Award. 

From pthang at comcast.net  Thu Jun  7 08:14:56 2007
From: pthang at comcast.net (pthang at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:14:56 +0000
Subject: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
Message-ID: <060720071514.13785.466820EF000A5C93000035D9220702455309020E089B9F@comcast.net>

Dear all,

Everyday, I walk to Rockville , MD metro station to go to work.  The metro station is next to Rockville courthouse block, also called Rockville  town center.  There is a property lot
north of the Rockville courthouse block where CVS, magruder grocery store were there about a 1.5 years ago.  The property lot size is sure less than 2 acres of land.  Before they razed the land and prepared to build the new Rockville townsquare on it. There were several public hearing where everybody were invited to raise their voice. I  went to Magruder every week because of fresh food at competitive price .  I had no idea what would be done  in its place.  I sided with Magruder to oppose the city plan to clear the lot and I did not bother to see the miniature model when the city of Rockville mayor presented during public hearing.
Anyway, I saw a lot construction during last year.

Now the construction is 80% complete. There are starbuck, five guys , and many high end stores and restaurant in that same lot. On top of the stores, they build condos. In the same town square there is a state of the art public library.   The project is indeed looking great.
I went into the sales office to ask for the price of a condo with 2 bedroom. The basic model is $380K with options extra . There are only a few units left. 

In other words, I was wrong to assume that the city is screwing us up . They did a very good job of planning. For the same small lot of land, they have transformed it into billion dollars business property  which bring in a lot of jobs for the people .  That is why I believe the idea of collective debate and advance planning  is a must .  Of course,  Nha Trang miniature models with roads, infrastructure could be planned , replanned, do/redo many times with the participation of the people of Nha Trang. All issues about pollution, trash removal, water etc.. will be presented and worked out early as infrastructure for the new Nha Trang.  

" If you fail to plan, then plan to fail ....."


Cheers,

Thang
-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Tran Dinh Hoanh" <tdhoanh at gmail.com> 

> [ Vietnam Business Forum ] 
> 
> Dear CACC, 
> 
> Let's look at this Nha Trang Bay issue from a larger angle. Let's 
> look at the governance issue and the people's participation into the 
> decision making process. 
> 
> Obviously these guys in Khanh Hoa UBND wants to do something like 
> shave some island bald and put on it a bunch of hotels and cement 
> blocks. In this case, it is good that Ministery of Information and 
> Culture was involved to stop such activity, for now. Here is my 
> concern. I imagine most people in Nha Trang don't like such 
> "development," as brother Thien said emotionally. (Brother Thien, I 
> grew up in Nha Trang. I went to primary school in Truong Tieu Hoc Ha 
> Dua in Thanh, and attended 6th and 7th grade in Trung Hoc Vo Tanh, now 
> Ly Tu Trong. So I am still hopelessly in love with Nha Trang). 
> 
> 1. But the question is: Do the people of Nha Trang have a right 
> into the decision making process? The foreigners come and pay (above 
> the table and under the table); the officials probably have personal 
> reasons to agree with the foreigners, so they sign paperwork. Do the 
> people of Nha Trang have any right to say anything in the matter 
> before the decision is made? Is there a public hearing for citizens 
> to attend to raise their voice before a development project is 
> approved? Government officials make decision; but do the people 
> have the right to hear the matter and raise their voice before the 
> officials make the decision? 
> 
> We have heard about democracy, grassroot democracy, dan lam chu (the 
> people is boss). The truth is, the people have no say-so in many 
> matters that affect their life. Why don't we just stop lying, and 
> start to design some system that let the people KNOW about a project 
> in advance and VOICE THEIR OPINION about that project before the 
> officials decide? 
> 
> 2. The above question is for "the government." Here is an idea for 
> "the people." Can we VNBIZERs come up with a sytematic approach to 
> give the people a place to raise their voice on issues that affect 
> their life and their environment? Say, can we have a website about 
> Vinh Nha Trang, post relevant materials there, and let people come to 
> the site to voice their opinion. And we can do that with every major 
> issue somewhere. each issue a website, such as a blog. 
> 
> That is how to can give more voice to our people, make our country a 
> little more democratic, and give our government more feedback 
> channels. 
> 
> Can come brother/sister come up with something? 
> 
> Have a great day! 
> 
> Hoanh 
> 
> On 6/1/07, Tran Ba Thien wrote: 
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ] 
> > 
> > Dear CACC, 
> > 
> > Toi vua di du lich o Nha Trang tu ngay chu nhat 27 den thu nam 31/5/2007 ve. 
> > Toi da di tham cac diem du lich nhu Hon Ngoc Viet Vin Pearl bang cap treo, 
> > tham cac dao trong vinh Nha Trang bang thuyen du lich, tham doc Let v.v... 
> > va v.v... 
> > 
> > Toi di vao luc ma moi noi o hi thuyen dung lai o hon Mun, khu sinh thai bien 
> > duy nhat tai Vietnam, khach du lich duoc mac ao phao va nhay xuong bien ngam 
> > san ho. Mot anh ban di chung tau sau khi leo tro ve thuyen da hoi ha chup 
> > cac thang canh tren vung vinh nay. Anh noi: 
> > 
> > -Chang biet vai nam toi khi tro lai NT, nguoi ta da huy diet cai thien nhien 
> > nay den muc nao roi? 
> > 
> > Noi xong vai cau, anh nem cai lon nuoc ngot xuong bien khien nguoi huong dan 
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> > 
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> > 
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> > no kip chim xung day bien ben nhung rang san ho dep huyen ao kia. 
> > 
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> > rac va nhung mon can ba con sot lai cua nganh ky nghe khong khoi bui nhung 
> > day rac thai nay. 
> > 
> > Dung la giua phat trien kinh te va bao ve moi truong thien nhien luon luon 
> > co nhung buoc di nguoc chieu nhau. Toi thay trong cai lo lang cua nhung 
> > nguoi dan NT va nhung nguoi khach du lich den NT co cai lo lon nhat la hay 
> > giu lai nguyen trang cai hinh thu, dang voc cua nhung ngon nui, hay giu lai 
> > nguyen trang cai mau xanh thuc vat tren cac trien nui, giu lai nhung rang 
> > san ho nhung bay ca du mau sac so boi loi quanh do... HO yeu cau rat nhieu 
> > va hau nhu khong ai nghi den cau hoi rang: 
> > 
> > -Ai se la nguoi co nhiem vu bao ve cai thien nhien xinh dep ay? 
> > 
> > Hau het deu nghi rang chinh phu la nguoi co trach nhiem. Sau chinh phu thi 
> > la nguoi khac, nhung nguoi nao do khong phai la toi xin vui long dung xa rac 
> > dung lam o nhiem moi truong. co ve nhu cai y tuong bao ve thien nhien va bao 
> > ve moi truong dang duoc hieu nhu mot cai roi chi de danh nguoi khac ma khong 
> > danh chinh minh. Nguoi ta phan doi viec tan pha thien nhien va huy hoai moi 
> > truong cua nguoi khac mot cach het suc khat khe nhung lai tha thu va khoan 
> > dung cho hanh vi cua minh mot cach rat la "nhan tu". Anh ban cua toi sau khi 
> > hoi mac co vi cai lon bia nem xuong nuoc quay sang toi bao chua: 
> > 
> > -Nay gio tim mai chang thay cai gio rac tren tau de o cho nao nen minh vo y 
> > danh roi xuong nuoc. 
> > 
> > Co le, ban to chuc du lich cua chiec thuyen nay cung noi: 
> > 
> > -Minh ban ron cham soc khach hang nen sang nay vo y quen mang cai gio rac 
> > len thuyen... 
> > 
> > Toi sinh ra o NT nhung suot cuoc doi song tai Saigon. Toi yeu NT vo cung va 
> > cung cam thay dau long neu NT bi tan pha boi ban tay cua con nguoi. Ro rang 
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> > chuc. Sap toi day nguoi ta se huy diet no mot cach co to chuc hon. Nguoi 
> > ngoai cuoc nhu toi se cam thay ganh ty vi minh hong duoc tham du vao tro huy 
> > diet nay. biet dau, phai biet dau, neu toi cung co mot phan hun kha lon 
> > torng mot cai cong ty nao do se cat ngang cai dinh nui cua dao Hon Tre va 
> > dung len do mot khu vui choi nhu Vin Pearl, hay xay mot cai thap Ba giong 
> > nguoi Chiem Thanh da lam hoi the ky thu 8 sau CN, hoac nhu nguoi phap cat 
> > phang mot ngon doi giua long thanh pho de dung len nha tho Nui Nha Trang nam 
> > 1930... Nhung cai do the he cua toi da quen nhin va cam thay hai long roi tu 
> > cho rang phai co Thap Ba, Nha Tho Nui, tuong Phat Thich Ca thi moi la Nha 
> > Trang. Nhung neu cat Hon Tre hay duc vao cac vach nui da chung quanh NT va 
> > khac len do nhung buc chan dung cac lanh tu nhu Quang Trung, Le Loi, Ho Chi 
> > Minh thi dong nghia voi tan pha Nha Trang? Biet dau va biet dau 100 nam toi, 
> > the he sau se cho rang phai co cac buc tuong nu the, phai cat ngan cai chop 
> > nui cua Hon Tre nhu the thi moi la Nha Trang? 
> > 
> > Toi nho cai hom o New York gap mot co gai nguoi Alaska. Chi nay khoe voi toi 
> > rang chi la nguoi Eskimo va torng nhom bao ton van hoa Eskimo. Chi ke rang 
> > thanh nien Eskimo ngay nay song song voi viec hoc tai cac truong high 
> > schools, ho cung duoc hoc cach danh bat ca, cach xay nha tuyet igloo v.v... 
> > Toi hoi chi ay rang vay chi con noi duoc tieng Eskimo khong? chi lac dau. 
> > 
> > Toi roi Nha Trang vao sang thu nam 31/5 ma long cu phan van mai voi cau hoi 
> > rang roi mai NT cua toi se ra sao day? Toi den Mui Ne-Phan Thiet o choi them 
> > 1 dem nua roi moi quay ve Sg. Chieu hom ay, chung toi den truot cat tai cac 
> > ngon doi cat do ma nguoi ta goi la Doi Hong. Nhung dua be dia phuong om nhom 
> > om nhach tay cam cac tam van truoc cat bu den doan chung toi moi thue van. 
> > Toi leo den dinh doi cat va tim cach hoi tham cac em. 
> > -Chau co di hoc khong? toi hoi 
> > -KHong, mot dua dap 
> > -Vay lam sao biet chu duoc? toi hoi 
> > -Da me chau day cho chau, no dap 
> > -Nha chau co may anh em? toi ho 
> > -Da co 5 nguoi chet mot nguoi con 4. 2 chi cua chau dang lam viec o Sg. Ba 
> > chau chi biet di nhau suot ngay. Thinh thoang ong moi ve rua cho me chau may 
> > cai chen. Con me chau thi ban sang di ban nuoc sam tren Doi Hong nay. 
> > 
> > Khi co may nguoi khach du lich khac cung vua leo len dinh doi cho chung toi 
> > dang ngoi nghi met. Ho tray a gia thue tam van truot cat voi cac em. 
> > 
> > -500 thoi, may dua duoi chan doi noi chi 500 thoi chu lam gi 1000 nhu tui 
> > bay noi? 
> > 
> > Trong cai dem truoc ngay 1/6 Ngay quoc te thieu nhi, co mot doan tre con 
> > dang phai lao dong kiem song cho cha chung lay tien di danh so de, di uong 
> > ruou. Trong cai dem trang tron vang vac cua le Phat Dan, khi Duc Thich Ca 
> > con la cau be thai tu Tat Dat Da, cac em phai bo hoc phai lang thang. Toi 
> > dua cho chung to giay 100,000 cho ca nhom chia nhau. Co mot dua mung qua den 
> > cam on toi bao rang sang toi gio no chua kiem duoc dong nao het. Nhung ngon 
> > doi cao ngat ngheu nay, chung toi, nhung ke thua com thua tien leo len de 
> > tieu bot nang luong de vui choi. Chi can leo len mot lan la muon het ca hoi 
> > de tho. The ma cac chau phai leo len leo xuong moi ngay hang tram lan mong 
> > kiem duoc vai ngan. Toi khong cho cac em 100,000 nhung da xin cac em hay cho 
> > toi duoc boi thuong. Cac em da hy sinh niem vui va tuong lai cua minh de 
> > nhung ke tra du, tuu hau chung toi co duoc mot dem trang trong vui ve voi 
> > con cai, voi ban be voi gia dinh. 
> > 
> > Gap cac em xong, toi cu tuong rang minh se noi voi chinh phu rang phai nhanh 
> > chong phat trien kinh te de nhung dua be nay khong con phai di kiem song 
> > trong dem Quoc Te Thieu Nhi va Le mung sinh nhat Phat Thich ca.. Toi chi 
> > tuong tuong nhu the ma thoi. Su that cau tra loi van con o xa lam cac ban 
> > ah... 
> > 
> > men 
> > Tran Ba Thien 
> > tranbathien at gmail.com 
> > 
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From hdangthu at gmail.com  Thu Jun  7 08:59:41 2007
From: hdangthu at gmail.com (huong dang thu)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:59:41 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
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Thanks bro and sis for the discussion,



Thax bro Thien for your emotional writing about Nha Trang. I very like it :)



Thax bro Tuan, bro Tai, bro Hoanh, bro Craig, bro Phong, bro Thang for your
different ideas about providing feedback to Vietnamese government. You all
help me understand more about the issue.

In my opinion, I have to say that I like this idea very much. I know that in
US, people have right to petition to the government regularly, but not in
VN. Yes. VN is different from US. VNese culture is different. We have lived
long with one-way interaction (from above to below, from the King to the
people, from the government to the people, I think). But I think Vn should
learn from US about this.

How can VN do that job? I don't know the exact answer. With me, the
discussion here somehow does that job. Because I can learn that I should
think about sth to communicate with the

Government, which is the thing I have never think seriously in my life
(because no one tells me so)!!



Many Vietnamese today want to do sth for our country. But i think that they
really don't know how to make it. They don't know how to raise their voice
peacefully but effectively. I pretty agree, "what comes out of the right
heart will be right". What we do is only to build the better country. I
believe in the future and I think we are making that future :). So why don't
we keep talking, brain storming about some way to provide feedback to the
Government, to build our two-way interaction 'talking and listening' between
us, the people in general?



Why not?



Wish my bro & sis happiness,

HeO
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From cstevenson2000 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  7 09:07:28 2007
From: cstevenson2000 at gmail.com (Craig Stevenson)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:07:28 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
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"That is why I believe the idea of collective debate and advance planning
is a must .  Of course,  Nha Trang miniature models with roads,
infrastructure could be planned , replanned, do/redo many times with the
participation of the people of Nha Trang. All issues about pollution, trash
removal, water etc.. will be presented and worked out early as
infrastructure for the new Nha Trang.
" If you fail to plan, then plan to fail ....."   "


I agree wholeHEARTedly.  Only that, we here, in this forum engage in a
positive, yes critical, debate that is constructive, and will further the
goals of development for all people of Viet Nam (all people in the world).
But that is my opinion and I would resign if others wanted to go in other
directions. Certainly haphazard development that only enriches a few rather
than work to the benefit of the masses will not only fail but waste precious
resources. Vietnam has opportunities to leapfrog past the mistakes of others
who have developed earlier.  I would implore those working on the
development of the nation to look at those mistakes and avoid them.
Haphazard development, with inadequate planning and foresight would be
detrimental.  Of course all stakeholders should be involved in such
endeavors as locals know better than those far away the problems faced
locally.

Planning as you describe only works to maintain stability and utilize
resources effectively.

Craig


On 6/7/07, pthang at comcast.net <pthang at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> Everyday, I walk to Rockville , MD metro station to go to work.  The metro
> station is next to Rockville courthouse block, also called Rockville  town
> center.  There is a property lot
> north of the Rockville courthouse block where CVS, magruder grocery store
> were there about a 1.5 years ago.  The property lot size is sure less than
> 2 acres of land.  Before they razed the land and prepared to build the new
> Rockville townsquare on it. There were several public hearing where
> everybody were invited to raise their voice. I  went to Magruder every week
> because of fresh food at competitive price .  I had no idea what would be
> done  in its place.  I sided with Magruder to oppose the city plan to clear
> the lot and I did not bother to see the miniature model when the city of
> Rockville mayor presented during public hearing.
> Anyway, I saw a lot construction during last year.
>
> Now the construction is 80% complete. There are starbuck, five guys , and
> many high end stores and restaurant in that same lot. On top of the stores,
> they build condos. In the same town square there is a state of the art
> public library.   The project is indeed looking great.
> I went into the sales office to ask for the price of a condo with 2
> bedroom. The basic model is $380K with options extra . There are only a few
> units left.
>
> In other words, I was wrong to assume that the city is screwing us up .
> They did a very good job of planning. For the same small lot of land, they
> have transformed it into billion dollars business property  which bring in a
> lot of jobs for the people .  That is why I believe the idea of collective
> debate and advance planning  is a must .  Of course,  Nha Trang miniature
> models with roads, infrastructure could be planned , replanned, do/redo many
> times with the participation of the people of Nha Trang. All issues about
> pollution, trash removal, water etc.. will be presented and worked out early
> as infrastructure for the new Nha Trang.
>
> " If you fail to plan, then plan to fail ....."
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Thang
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Tran Dinh Hoanh" <tdhoanh at gmail.com>
>
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> > Dear CACC,
> >
> > Let's look at this Nha Trang Bay issue from a larger angle. Let's
> > look at the governance issue and the people's participation into the
> > decision making process.
> >
> > Obviously these guys in Khanh Hoa UBND wants to do something like
> > shave some island bald and put on it a bunch of hotels and cement
> > blocks. In this case, it is good that Ministery of Information and
> > Culture was involved to stop such activity, for now. Here is my
> > concern. I imagine most people in Nha Trang don't like such
> > "development," as brother Thien said emotionally. (Brother Thien, I
> > grew up in Nha Trang. I went to primary school in Truong Tieu Hoc Ha
> > D ua in Thanh, and attended 6th and 7th grade in Trung Hoc Vo Tanh, now
> > Ly Tu Trong. So I am still hopelessly in love with Nha Trang).
> >
> > 1. But the question is: Do the people of Nha Trang have a right
> > into the decision making process? The foreigners come and pay (above
> > the table and under the table); the officials probably have personal
> > reasons to agree with the foreigners, so they sign paperwork. Do the
> > people of Nha Trang have any right to say anything in the matter
> > before the decision is made? Is there a public hearing for citizens
> > to attend to raise their voice before a development project is
> > approved? Government officials make decision; but do the people
> > have the right to hear the matter and raise their voice before the
> > officials make the decision?
> >
> > We have heard about democracy, grassroot democracy, dan lam chu (the
> > people is boss). The truth is, t he people have no say-so in many
> > matters that affect their life. Why don't we just stop lying, and
> > start to design some system that let the people KNOW about a project
> > in advance and VOICE THEIR OPINION about that project before the
> > officials decide?
> >
> > 2. The above question is for "the government." Here is an idea for
> > "the people." Can we VNBIZERs come up with a sytematic approach to
> > give the people a place to raise their voice on issues that affect
> > their life and their environment? Say, can we have a website about
> > Vinh Nha Trang, post relevant materials there, and let people come to
> > the site to voice their opinion. And we can do that with every major
> > issue somewhere. each issue a website, such as a blog.
> >
> > That is how to can give more voice to our people, make our country a
> > little more democratic, and give our government more feedback
> > ch annels .
> >
> > Can come brother/sister come up with something?
> >
> > Have a great day!
> >
> > Hoanh
> >
> > On 6/1/07, Tran Ba Thien wrote:
> > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > >
> > > Dear CACC,
> > >
> > > Toi vua di du lich o Nha Trang tu ngay chu nhat 27 den thu nam
> 31/5/2007 ve.
> > > Toi da di tham cac diem du lich nhu Hon Ngoc Viet Vin Pearl bang cap
> treo,
> > > tham cac dao trong vinh Nha Trang bang thuyen du lich, tham doc Let
> v.v...
> > > va v.v...
> > >
> > > Toi di vao luc ma moi noi o hi thuyen dung lai o hon Mun, khu sinh
> thai bien
> > > duy nhat tai Vietnam, khach du lich duoc mac ao phao va nhay xuong
> bien ngam
> > > san ho. Mot anh ban di chung tau sau khi leo tro ve thuyen da hoi ha
> chup
> > > cac thang canh tren vung vinh nay. Anh noi:
> > >
> > > -Chang biet vai nam toi khi tro lai NT , nguoi ta da huy diet cai
> thien nhien
> > > nay den muc nao roi?
> > >
> > > Noi xong vai cau, anh nem cai lon nuoc ngot xuong bien khien nguoi
> huong dan
> > > vien du lich tren thuyen phai hot hoang la lon:
> > >
> > > Xin qui khach dung xa rac xuong vung bien nay. Chung ta dung tai pham
> cai
> > > sai lam cua cha ong khi ....
> > >
> > > Mot anh nhan vien tren thuyen lay vot de vot cai lon nuoc ngot kia
> truoc khi
> > > no kip chim xung day bien ben nhung rang san ho dep huyen ao kia.
> > >
> > > den Doc Let tam trong mot sang nuoc bien em nhu mot cai ho lon. Nhung
> nguoi
> > > dang tam o day vua vui dua vua voi va ngam
> > > nhin cai thien nhien long lay vi e rang vai nam nua, no se chang con.
> Dong
> > > thoi, ho cung phai ngamng
> > > nhin mat bien de tranh tam nhung noi dang noi leu beu nhung boc nylon
> dung
> > > rac va nhung mon can ba co n sot lai cua nganh ky nghe khong khoi bui
> nhung
> > > day rac thai nay.
> > >
> > > Dung la giua phat trien kinh te va bao ve moi truong thien nhien luon
> luon
> > > co nhung buoc di nguoc chieu nhau. Toi thay trong cai lo lang cua
> nhung
> > > nguoi dan NT va nhung nguoi khach du lich den NT co cai lo lon nhat la
> hay
> > > giu lai nguyen trang cai hinh thu, dang voc cua nhung ngon nui, hay
> giu lai
> > > nguyen trang cai mau xanh thuc vat tren cac trien nui, giu lai nhung
> rang
> > > san ho nhung bay ca du mau sac so boi loi quanh do... HO yeu cau rat
> nhieu
> > > va hau nhu khong ai nghi den cau hoi rang:
> > >
> > > -Ai se la nguoi co nhiem vu bao ve cai thien nhien xinh dep ay?
> > >
> > > Hau het deu nghi rang chinh phu la nguoi co trach nhiem. Sau chinh phu
> thi
> > > la nguoi khac, nhung nguoi nao do khong phai la toi xin vui long dung
> xa rac
> > > dung lam o nh iem mo i truong. co ve nhu cai y tuong bao ve thien
> nhien va bao
> > > ve moi truong dang duoc hieu nhu mot cai roi chi de danh nguoi khac ma
> khong
> > > danh chinh minh. Nguoi ta phan doi viec tan pha thien nhien va huy
> hoai moi
> > > truong cua nguoi khac mot cach het suc khat khe nhung lai tha thu va
> khoan
> > > dung cho hanh vi cua minh mot cach rat la "nhan tu". Anh ban cua toi
> sau khi
> > > hoi mac co vi cai lon bia nem xuong nuoc quay sang toi bao chua:
> > >
> > > -Nay gio tim mai chang thay cai gio rac tren tau de o cho nao nen minh
> vo y
> > > danh roi xuong nuoc.
> > >
> > > Co le, ban to chuc du lich cua chiec thuyen nay cung noi:
> > >
> > > -Minh ban ron cham soc khach hang nen sang nay vo y quen mang cai gio
> rac
> > > len thuyen...
> > >
> > > Toi sinh ra o NT nhung suot cuoc doi song tai Saigon. Toi yeu NT vo
> cung va
> > > cung cam thay dau l ong ne u NT bi tan pha boi ban tay cua con nguoi.
> Ro rang
> > > khong phai la NT sap bi huy diet nhung NT dang bi huy diet mot cach vo
> to
> > > chuc. Sap toi day nguoi ta se huy diet no mot cach co to chuc hon.
> Nguoi
> > > ngoai cuoc nhu toi se cam thay ganh ty vi minh hong duoc tham du vao
> tro huy
> > > diet nay. biet dau, phai biet dau, neu toi cung co mot phan hun kha
> lon
> > > torng mot cai cong ty nao do se cat ngang cai dinh nui cua dao Hon Tre
> va
> > > dung len do mot khu vui choi nhu Vin Pearl, hay xay mot cai thap Ba
> giong
> > > nguoi Chiem Thanh da lam hoi the ky thu 8 sau CN, hoac nhu nguoi phap
> cat
> > > phang mot ngon doi giua long thanh pho de dung len nha tho Nui Nha
> Trang nam
> > > 1930... Nhung cai do the he cua toi da quen nhin va cam thay hai long
> roi tu
> > > cho rang phai co Thap Ba, Nha Tho Nui, tuong Phat Thich Ca thi moi la
> Nha
> > > Trang. Nhung neu cat Hon Tre hay duc va o cac vach nui da chung quanh
> NT va
> > > khac len do nhung buc chan dung cac lanh tu nhu Quang Trung, Le Loi,
> Ho Chi
> > > Minh thi dong nghia voi tan pha Nha Trang? Biet dau va biet dau 100
> nam toi,
> > > the he sau se cho rang phai co cac buc tuong nu the, phai cat ngan cai
> chop
> > > nui cua Hon Tre nhu the thi moi la Nha Trang?
> > >
> > > Toi nho cai hom o New York gap mot co gai nguoi Alaska. Chi nay khoe
> voi toi
> > > rang chi la nguoi Eskimo va torng nhom bao ton van hoa Eskimo. Chi ke
> rang
> > > thanh nien Eskimo ngay nay song song voi viec hoc tai cac truong high
> > > schools, ho cung duoc hoc cach danh bat ca, cach xay nha tuyet igloo
> v.v...
> > > Toi hoi chi ay rang vay chi con noi duoc tieng Eskimo khong? chi lac
> dau.
> > >
> > > Toi roi Nha Trang vao sang thu nam 31/5 ma long cu phan van mai voi
> cau hoi
> > > rang roi mai NT cua toi se ra sao day? Toi den Mui Ne-P han Th iet o
> choi them
> > > 1 dem nua roi moi quay ve Sg. Chieu hom ay, chung toi den truot cat
> tai cac
> > > ngon doi cat do ma nguoi ta goi la Doi Hong. Nhung dua be dia phuong
> om nhom
> > > om nhach tay cam cac tam van truoc cat bu den doan chung toi moi thue
> van.
> > > Toi leo den dinh doi cat va tim cach hoi tham cac em.
> > > -Chau co di hoc khong? toi hoi
> > > -KHong, mot dua dap
> > > -Vay lam sao biet chu duoc? toi hoi
> > > -Da me chau day cho chau, no dap
> > > -Nha chau co may anh em? toi ho
> > > -Da co 5 nguoi chet mot nguoi con 4. 2 chi cua chau dang lam viec o
> Sg. Ba
> > > chau chi biet di nhau suot ngay. Thinh thoang ong moi ve rua cho me
> chau may
> > > cai chen. Con me chau thi ban sang di ban nuoc sam tren Doi Hong nay.
> > >
> > > Khi co may nguoi khach du lich khac cung vua leo len dinh doi cho
> chung toi
> > > dang ngoi nghi met. Ho tray a gi a thue tam van truot cat voi cac em.
> > >
> > > -500 thoi, may dua duoi chan doi noi chi 500 thoi chu lam gi 1000 nhu
> tui
> > > bay noi?
> > >
> > > Trong cai dem truoc ngay 1/6 Ngay quoc te thieu nhi, co mot doan tre
> con
> > > dang phai lao dong kiem song cho cha chung lay tien di danh so de, di
> uong
> > > ruou. Trong cai dem trang tron vang vac cua le Phat Dan, khi Duc Thich
> Ca
> > > con la cau be thai tu Tat Dat Da, cac em phai bo hoc phai lang thang.
> Toi
> > > dua cho chung to giay 100,000 cho ca nhom chia nhau. Co mot dua mung
> qua den
> > > cam on toi bao rang sang toi gio no chua kiem duoc dong nao het. Nhung
> ngon
> > > doi cao ngat ngheu nay, chung toi, nhung ke thua com thua tien leo len
> de
> > > tieu bot nang luong de vui choi. Chi can leo len mot lan la muon het
> ca hoi
> > > de tho. The ma cac chau phai leo len leo xuong moi ngay hang tram lan
> mong
> > > kiem d uoc va i ngan. Toi khong cho cac em 100,000 nhung da xin cac em
> hay cho
> > > toi duoc boi thuong. Cac em da hy sinh niem vui va tuong lai cua minh
> de
> > > nhung ke tra du, tuu hau chung toi co duoc mot dem trang trong vui ve
> voi
> > > con cai, voi ban be voi gia dinh.
> > >
> > > Gap cac em xong, toi cu tuong rang minh se noi voi chinh phu rang phai
> nhanh
> > > chong phat trien kinh te de nhung dua be nay khong con phai di kiem
> song
> > > trong dem Quoc Te Thieu Nhi va Le mung sinh nhat Phat Thich ca.. Toi
> chi
> > > tuong tuong nhu the ma thoi. Su that cau tra loi van con o xa lam cac
> ban
> > > ah...
> > >
> > > men
> > > Tran Ba Thien
> > > tranbathien at gmail.com
> > >
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From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Thu Jun  7 10:59:28 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:59:28 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Vietnam's PM bans civil servants from talking to media
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Wednesday June 6, 2007


Vietnam's PM bans civil servants from talking to media

HANOI, Vietnam (AP): Vietnam's prime minister has issued a decree further limiting the flow of information within the communist country, prompting concerns among journalists who already operated under tight restrictions. 

Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung issued the decision May 28 banning everyone within government ministries from speaking to the media, except ministers, provincial governors or officially appointed spokespeople. 

Reporters working in the Vietnamese media, which is entirely state-controlled, said the new rules will make it more difficult to obtain information. They declined to give their names for fear they might be punished. 

"Many government officials will use the regulations as a tool to refuse to talk to the press,'' said one Ho Chi Minh City journalist. "This will make it harder for us to do our jobs.'' 

A Hanoi journalist said the decree seemed to conflict with the government's commitment to implementing administrative reforms and opening government procedures. 

"We will have to go through thick layers of bureaucracy before we can get someone from a government agency to talk to us,'' she said. 

The decree states that government spokespeople will have a monthly media briefing, and each ministry will hold a briefing at least once every six months. It also instructs the ministries to publish monthly or quarterly information for the media on their Web sites. 

Until now, Vietnamese journalists routinely sought information from mid- and lower-level government bureaucrats. The new decree does not specify what will happen to officials who provide information to reporters without permission. 

Vietnamese officials could not immediately be reached for comment about the new measure, which was decried by international media watchdogs. 

"I think it will affect Vietnam's credibility and transparency,'' said Vincent Brossel of Reporters Without Borders. "It's exactly what the Vietnamese government said it would not do.'' 

Swedish Ambassador Rolf Bergman said appointing official spokespeople is a positive development because it will give journalists a point of contact within each ministry. But he objected to restricting reporters from talking to other sources. 

"It will be equally important for reporters and journalists to be able to carry out investigative journalism and to analyze, scrutinize and report relevant and accurate information from other sources as well,'' he said in a written response. 

Bergman said the new regulations run counter to the work Sweden has promoted through training members of Vietnam's press over the past seven years. 

From shane.wall at translingualexpress.com  Thu Jun  7 13:34:29 2007
From: shane.wall at translingualexpress.com (Shane Wall)
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 03:34:29 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Vietnam's PM bans civil servants from talking to media
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Dear CACC,
  Before anybody calls this action 'undemocratic', 'stamping on free 
speach', 'cutting the throat' of the human right to voice an opinion, or 
anything else that people living in "Western Democracies" might allege, 
I would add my own life experience.

   There are very, very severe administrative punishments handed out to 
Australian military personnel who speak to the media without approval 
from "the Command". As a well-intentioned young Sailor, I made the 
mistake of answering a journalists questions without approval. My 
promotions were frozen for 3 years.

   The  reason for this close check on the free flow of information from 
Military people is very clear: there is a very real risk of secret 
information being made public by people who may not understand the total 
consequences or results that might come from their 'innocent' words.

   My biggest problem with this issue is the "we will tell you what you 
want to know" attitude that is all pervasive in, ahem, " " Press 
Conferences " " here in VN. Sis. Huong very correctly touches on this 
related point: regardless of what people say, "information" here inside 
VN overwhelmingly flows only one way at the moment: "Emporer to subject"!

   Of course, there have been token attempts at opening up the "Avenues 
of Communication", with some online "discussions" recently. However, a 
close analysis will show that: All questions were required to be 
submitted, and consequently vetted, in advance, and there was no "right 
of rebuttal" or additional questioning from the original asker.

Just some things to keep in mind!

Shane
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mr. Shane Wall
Principal,

Trans Lingual Express
120/14 Mai Thi Luu St,
P. Dakao, Q.1, HCMC,
Vietnam

Mail: shane.wall at translingualexpress.com
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Mbl: +84 (090) 9484 753 (Anh) - Tel: +84 (8) 820 9143 (Viet)






Phan, Tai wrote:
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> Wednesday June 6, 2007
>
>
> Vietnam's PM bans civil servants from talking to media
>
> HANOI, Vietnam (AP): Vietnam's prime minister has issued a decree further limiting the flow of information within the communist country, prompting concerns among journalists who already operated under tight restrictions. 
>
> Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung issued the decision May 28 banning everyone within government ministries from speaking to the media, except ministers, provincial governors or officially appointed spokespeople. 
>
> Reporters working in the Vietnamese media, which is entirely state-controlled, said the new rules will make it more difficult to obtain information. They declined to give their names for fear they might be punished. 
>
> "Many government officials will use the regulations as a tool to refuse to talk to the press,'' said one Ho Chi Minh City journalist. "This will make it harder for us to do our jobs.'' 
>
> A Hanoi journalist said the decree seemed to conflict with the government's commitment to implementing administrative reforms and opening government procedures. 
>
> "We will have to go through thick layers of bureaucracy before we can get someone from a government agency to talk to us,'' she said. 
>
> The decree states that government spokespeople will have a monthly media briefing, and each ministry will hold a briefing at least once every six months. It also instructs the ministries to publish monthly or quarterly information for the media on their Web sites. 
>
> Until now, Vietnamese journalists routinely sought information from mid- and lower-level government bureaucrats. The new decree does not specify what will happen to officials who provide information to reporters without permission. 
>
> Vietnamese officials could not immediately be reached for comment about the new measure, which was decried by international media watchdogs. 
>
> "I think it will affect Vietnam's credibility and transparency,'' said Vincent Brossel of Reporters Without Borders. "It's exactly what the Vietnamese government said it would not do.'' 
>
> Swedish Ambassador Rolf Bergman said appointing official spokespeople is a positive development because it will give journalists a point of contact within each ministry. But he objected to restricting reporters from talking to other sources. 
>
> "It will be equally important for reporters and journalists to be able to carry out investigative journalism and to analyze, scrutinize and report relevant and accurate information from other sources as well,'' he said in a written response. 
>
> Bergman said the new regulations run counter to the work Sweden has promoted through training members of Vietnam's press over the past seven years. 
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Thu Jun  7 14:26:08 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:26:08 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Vietnam's PM bans civil servants from talking to media
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Dear anh Shane and CACC,

Of course, you cannot afford to allow every employee to talk to the
press.  Many employees do not know the full extent of an issue and may
give out wrong information to the press.

All private companies will fire you if you talk to the press without
permission.  In the government offices, if you talk to the press
without your boss' permission, you talk at your own peril.  If things
go wrong, you may be in hot waters.

Each company, each government agency designates a public relations
department to deal with the press.  It is to make sure that the
information given out on behalf of the company or agency is correct.
Most news articles in the US will cite "a defense department official"
or "high ranking state department officials" without a name, because
they may be in trouble if their name is out.

This prohibition is reasonable as an administrative matter.  The issue
of the "flow of information" is different:  Is there a legal procedure
in place for the press to gain non-confidential information from the
government, such as the Freedom of Information Act in the US?

Have a great day!

Hoanh

From Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov  Thu Jun  7 15:14:33 2007
From: Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov (Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:14:33 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
In-Reply-To: <4badee940706070859m66105ec1pf4c2ed718448271d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF46C29FC3.54CA32B8-ON852572F3.00762B2F-852572F3.007A2ED0@mail.doc.gov>

Welcome back from your European adventure.
Please share the 3 most important/impressive things from this trip.
The idea of "what comes out of the right heart will be right" is an 
attractive, but somewhat Utopian notion.  That's not to say that it's 
wrong, just that it is too subjective by itself to be reliable and 
predictable.  Many of Vietnam's previous generations really believed and 
followed their hearts but ended up with disastrous consequences or bitter 
disappointment.  They would have been better served listening to both 
their hearts and minds.
People everywhere has the right to petition their government, the 
difference is whether or not their government listen to them, which in 
turn directly depends on whether or not the people has the power to change 
those in power.  Culture plays a role, but there are more fundamental 
principles that transcend culture.  One of those principles is that no 
authority would willingly yield its power without a certain level of 
resistance.  In such an environment, raising your voice will ineviaby 
cause friction.  The critical difference between different system is 
whether or not violence is needed to affect changes in government.
Best,  HPP



"huong dang thu" <hdangthu at gmail.com> 
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[ Vietnam Business Forum ]

Thanks bro and sis for the discussion, 
 
Thax bro Thien for your emotional writing about Nha Trang. I very like it 
:)
 
Thax bro Tuan, bro Tai, bro Hoanh, bro Craig, bro Phong, bro Thang for 
your different ideas about providing feedback to Vietnamese government. 
You all help me understand more about the issue. 
In my opinion, I have to say that I like this idea very much. I know that 
in US, people have right to petition to the government regularly, but not 
in VN. Yes. VN is different from US. VNese culture is different. We have 
lived long with one-way interaction (from above to below, from the King to 
the people, from the government to the people, I think). But I think Vn 
should learn from US about this. 
How can VN do that job? I don't know the exact answer. With me, the 
discussion here somehow does that job. Because I can learn that I should 
think about sth to communicate with the 
Government, which is the thing I have never think seriously in my life 
(because no one tells me so)!!
 
Many Vietnamese today want to do sth for our country. But i think that 
they really don't know how to make it. They don't know how to raise their 
voice peacefully but effectively. I pretty agree, "what comes out of the 
right heart will be right". What we do is only to build the better 
country. I believe in the future and I think we are making that future :). 
So why don't we keep talking, brain storming about some way to provide 
feedback to the Government, to build our two-way interaction 'talking and 
listening' between us, the people in general? 
 
Why not?
 
Wish my bro & sis happiness,
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Thu Jun  7 21:16:36 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 00:16:36 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Doing politics in the Vietnamese spirit
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50706072116w7c5e4fb5i6ecc4a1fafdf4819@mail.gmail.com>

Dear CACC,

I have just had a long talk with a younger professional who asks me
for advice on Vietnam politics.  I though I should share with you, the
younger intellectuals, what I have just shared with my friend.  So
here it is.

1.  Today, too many people still have the slave mentality of
worshiping their great white fathers.  This mentality goes back to the
time of the French, the Vatican, the American.  Today, such mentality
is still prevalent.  For people with such mentality, Washington DC or
Paris or Rome some western capitals are where the power of Vietnam
reside.

2.  In the same vein, there are idiots in foreign countries (such as
in Washington DC) who will always want to mess around with our
country, just because they can do that and get away with it.

3.  There are people who continue to fight the old war that was
supposed to be over in 1975 and they will do the fight under any kind
of pretext, from human rights to democracy to religious freedom.

Avoid these people and avoid becoming one of them.  If you are not
vigilant, you can be bought much easier than you think.

We have to do politics within this fundamental principle:  All
Vietnamese are brothers and sisters.  We do not do politics as
enemies.  If we compete, that is friendly competition between
brothers/sisters.

No political systems, no political theories, no political principles
are as important as the idea that all Vietnamese are brothers and
sisters.

And the Vietnamese have to act as honorable Vietnamese.  Don't kiss
foreign ass while trying to beat upon your brothers and sisters.

Have as many friends around the world as possible.  But treat them as
equal friends, not as the great white fathers, especially when you
attempt to beat upon your bothers and sisters.  That is simply he`n
ha.

That would be my advice.  If we stay faithful to these principle, we
will bring our country to greatness.  And we will bring our country to
greatness. Trust me.

Have a great day!

Hoanh

-- 
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC

From cstevenson2000 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  7 23:38:58 2007
From: cstevenson2000 at gmail.com (Craig Stevenson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 02:38:58 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Doing politics in the Vietnamese spirit
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I, although born on one patch of land, have always felt myself to be a
citizen of the world. That, everywhere was a home for me, and family, and
fraternity with all I've met.

I wonder how long humans have roamed this earth. How long they have
organized in groupings. How those groupings became other groupings and so
forth unto recent history, let's say the last ten thousand years or so.  How
and when and why humans separated became distinct from each other.  Groupings
pitted against groupings. Groupings taking groupings in, taking a new form
involving, identifying, defining, refining, designing, and all for
separation, uniqueness, distinctness, separation, and so on.



I can't help from thinking how far we have moved from ourselves, how far we
are distant, and how much we have lost.  It reminds me of Emerson, reminds
me of Thoreau, how much of "distinctly" American writings can find their
roots in the Buddhist writings that had been transmitted to the West before
the mid 19th century.



I think of Marx.  I think of the ability that each of us, when pure in heart
and spirit, have to transmit from ourselves to each other.  How each has the
ability to transmit something back.  It seems that Marx had seen the
futility of the separateness that had descended from time immemorial to ten
thousand years ago, and well unfortunately, to the very present.  From Each
to Another, From Another to Each.  We are classified by scientists as
homo-sapiens.  Marx spoke of something different.  That Men could move
beyond their baseness, beyond their dividing secularity, beyond these
constructs of difference that have evolved hand in hand with language as
language has moved hand in hand with perceptions, images, perspectives,
beliefs, and so on.  Marx was speaking of a fundamental change in species.  An
evolution of the species, perhaps from a sapien to a spiritus.  That
essentially man would move beyond his petty separations and differences.  That
man would evolve. Hmmm?.unfortunately?.I still wait.



Good night.


Craig

Marx said that RELIGION was the opiate of the people, not that no truth
could be found within the boundary of such philosophies.






On 6/8/07, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> Dear CACC,
>
> I have just had a long talk with a younger professional who asks me
> for advice on Vietnam politics.  I though I should share with you, the
> younger intellectuals, what I have just shared with my friend.  So
> here it is.
>
> 1.  Today, too many people still have the slave mentality of
> worshiping their great white fathers.  This mentality goes back to the
> time of the French, the Vatican, the American.  Today, such mentality
> is still prevalent.  For people with such mentality, Washington DC or
> Paris or Rome some western capitals are where the power of Vietnam
> reside.
>
> 2.  In the same vein, there are idiots in foreign countries (such as
> in Washington DC) who will always want to mess around with our
> country, just because they can do that and get away with it.
>
> 3.  There are people who continue to fight the old war that was
> supposed to be over in 1975 and they will do the fight under any kind
> of pretext, from human rights to democracy to religious freedom.
>
> Avoid these people and avoid becoming one of them.  If you are not
> vigilant, you can be bought much easier than you think.
>
> We have to do politics within this fundamental principle:  All
> Vietnamese are brothers and sisters.  We do not do politics as
> enemies.  If we compete, that is friendly competition between
> brothers/sisters.
>
> No political systems, no political theories, no political principles
> are as important as the idea that all Vietnamese are brothers and
> sisters.
>
> And the Vietnamese have to act as honorable Vietnamese.  Don't kiss
> foreign ass while trying to beat upon your brothers and sisters.
>
> Have as many friends around the world as possible.  But treat them as
> equal friends, not as the great white fathers, especially when you
> attempt to beat upon your bothers and sisters.  That is simply he`n
> ha.
>
> That would be my advice.  If we stay faithful to these principle, we
> will bring our country to greatness.  And we will bring our country to
> greatness. Trust me.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Hoanh
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
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From tranbathien at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 00:47:58 2007
From: tranbathien at gmail.com (Tran Ba Thien)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:47:58 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Doing politics in the Vietnamese spirit
References: <fe5aabf50706072116w7c5e4fb5i6ecc4a1fafdf4819@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi brother Hoanh,

good idea
Tran Ba Thien
tranbathien at gmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tran Dinh Hoanh" <tdhoanh at gmail.com>
To: <vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: [Vnbiz] Doing politics in the Vietnamese spirit


>[ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> 
> Dear CACC,
> 
> I have just had a long talk with a younger professional who asks me
> for advice on Vietnam politics.  I though I should share with you, the
> younger intellectuals, what I have just shared with my friend.  So
> here it is.
> 
> 1.  Today, too many people still have the slave mentality of
> worshiping their great white fathers.  This mentality goes back to the
> time of the French, the Vatican, the American.  Today, such mentality
> is still prevalent.  For people with such mentality, Washington DC or
> Paris or Rome some western capitals are where the power of Vietnam
> reside.
> 
> 2.  In the same vein, there are idiots in foreign countries (such as
> in Washington DC) who will always want to mess around with our
> country, just because they can do that and get away with it.
> 
> 3.  There are people who continue to fight the old war that was
> supposed to be over in 1975 and they will do the fight under any kind
> of pretext, from human rights to democracy to religious freedom.
> 
> Avoid these people and avoid becoming one of them.  If you are not
> vigilant, you can be bought much easier than you think.
> 
> We have to do politics within this fundamental principle:  All
> Vietnamese are brothers and sisters.  We do not do politics as
> enemies.  If we compete, that is friendly competition between
> brothers/sisters.
> 
> No political systems, no political theories, no political principles
> are as important as the idea that all Vietnamese are brothers and
> sisters.
> 
> And the Vietnamese have to act as honorable Vietnamese.  Don't kiss
> foreign ass while trying to beat upon your brothers and sisters.
> 
> Have as many friends around the world as possible.  But treat them as
> equal friends, not as the great white fathers, especially when you
> attempt to beat upon your bothers and sisters.  That is simply he`n
> ha.
> 
> That would be my advice.  If we stay faithful to these principle, we
> will bring our country to greatness.  And we will bring our country to
> greatness. Trust me.
> 
> Have a great day!
> 
> Hoanh
> 
> -- 
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 04:39:55 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:39:55 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Welcome chi Hoang Thanh Tam into VNBIZ
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50706080439k291c97d4jbe3156e9c8007dbe@mail.gmail.com>

Dear CACC,

Please join to welcome chi Hoang Thanh Tam into our VNBIZ family.

Chi Tam tam.dany at gmail.com is a graduate of Foreign Trade University and is
currently a secretary at JUDGE project, #09-02A, 53 Quang Trung St., Hanoi,
Tel:  (84-4) 944 6340 Fax: (84-4) 944 6342, E-mail:
Tam.HOANG at judgeproject.org.

JUDGE is a project funded by CIDA, Canada. We hope to support the judiciary
reform process of Vietnam in the most efficient way.

Welcome in, sister.  Judicial reform is a subject that many of us pay close
attention to in this forum.  Glad that you join us.  Please feel free to
share with us the info on JUDGE projects.  We're all ear.  Please feel free
to share your heart and mind with us.  We are your brothers and sisters.

Have a great day, chi Tam and all.

Hoanh

-- 
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC
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From huongluongdc at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  8 08:39:00 2007
From: huongluongdc at yahoo.com (huong luong)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 08:39:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vnbiz] Doing politics in the Vietnamese spirit
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anh Hoanh and others,
   
  I don't know why anh Hoanh has an impression that the Vietnamese is worshiping the White "fathers"...in politics and in other aspects...who is the "white fathers" here and why we call them "fathers"....Looking back Vietnam's history, the French and the American are not the only ones to try to mess up our country, but the Chinese...the inevitable, the long-standing, the back-stabbing "brother" that we are unfortunate to be next door, the one has invaded VN longest, in every single century whom we have a war with. But we still have to play along with Chinese politics.
   
  I truly believe that Vietnam has always had its own spirit that has triumped in the past wars with any external invaders. I don't buy the fact that Vietnam is losing its spirit in international politics....I just think our leaders, or younger politicians become more sophisticated in international politics, learning how to play the game to avoid unnecessary mistakes that might cost the country a great deal (we could avoid the war with the American if we were not a prawn of the cold war game b/t the US-Soviet, we could have reconstructed the country faster to compete with SEA neighbors if we were not bogged down with the invasion of Cambodia due to the ideology of Marcist-leninist expansion led by Soviet - a decade of war with the U.S, another decade of war with the rest of world thru the isolation politically and economically, that has set VN back 20 years behind its SEA neighbors). 
   
  Conflict is avoidable, but not impossible.  Good politicians are the ones to can take away all potential threats and conflicts for the country and the World.  There's new way to love your country now not only by fighting for it with your blood, but with your brain.
   
  I think Competition is no way a friendly game, but could be a healthy game. Competition is a way to make things better and more efficient. If law and orders are established in VN, healthy competition is very possible. 
   
  I consider VN is a place where religious freedom does exist at grassroot level. VN is a country free of ethnic and religious conflicts to a large extent.  I can see a Buddhist can walk in a catholic church in HN to celebrate X-mas Eve. I don't see people fight against each other because of their religious differences in VN ever.  The religion only becomes an issue when people mix religion with politics....i prefer to keep them separate.  There has been some crack down of religious leaders because they use religion as a political tool, not because of their embrace/practice of their religions.  the way I view religion as a way to make all human being become a better person, a place for people to rest their personal faith and peace on....we should not use it as a weapon.  If a religious conflict does happen, blood will follow (see the Islam vs. Christianity, Jewish vs. Islam)
  
Democracy should come from within. It will happen in the country if its people really want it (it did happen in Indonesia in 1998). Do you think a fully-democratic system will work in VN efficiently now where people have a little concept of democracy and how to make democracy work for them? Give it some times, and the Vietnamese will figure out if they want democracy or not, and will figure out a model of democracy they want to establish, and they will fight for it once they are ready as they did fight for the independence decades ago. Any immature democracy will create further mess / instability in the country, in turn, which will undermine all development opportunities we are having right now (look at our democratic neighbor Thailand...and if you study all SEAs, you will see that those countries keep swinging back and force b/t democratic and authoritarian regimes...and they seems to develop better under the latter). Any western-liked model of democracy might not work in
 Vietnam, and Asia-wide.
   
  Democracy is a gradual process. It should be built on the foundation of well-established rule of laws, checks and balances that are missing in Vietnam right now (don't argue with me that checks and balances only exist in democratic nations...look at Singapore). Otherwise, it might be a source of domestic instability and conflicts. It can't happen overnight because its people need to learn to appreciate democracy first, and act in the name of democracy.  If the Vietnamese learn how to take voting obligation more serious, being concerned more about the Government policies that might affect their life in a bigger way rather than worrying about their own little benefits, political process in Vietnam will improve as more quality leaders come in power.
  Of course, it is naive to expect power elites to change for democracy because it is human nature: the love for power. They will hold a strong grip on power as long as they can.
   
  I view democracy is a luxury good.  People can't achieve it unless they are provided with all basic goods first (decent income per capita, social welfare, education are fundamental needs). Then, they might be ready for something better and perceive democracy differently (e.g democracy vs. populism; democracy vs. patron-client relations).
   
  We can't sit there and blame superpowers or realists in international relations. It is the nature and the principle of int' politics: every country is working for their national interests and security. We are not different if we would have the same level of economic and military power....we would act exactly like them. And international politics today is more complex than decades ago: it is a mix of realism and constructivism.  The best policy might be to put our brains at work to have an optimal foreign policy that will benefit the country in term of economy and security. 
   
  Therefore, I don??t think younger Vietnamese politicians compromise the country??s interests and independence in international arena. I see Vietnam is one of fearless nations in spirit, but full of hospitability.  Maybe that is ??Vietnam??s charm?? that makes many foreigners feel good/welcomed when they visit VN, not the fear as anh Hoanh mentioned. And remember that Vietnam has no history of a slave country or being slaved.  We were occupied for centuries, but we have our own glorious history, heritage and culture. Then, slave mentality does NOT exist in the way the Vietnamese behave or live their lives. Plus, Asian culture in general is a high-context culture, mean avoid any direct confrontation, but does not mean compromising.
   
  Just share with CACC some thoughts. Don??t grill me please J
   
  Peace,
  Huong
Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com> wrote:
  [ Vietnam Business Forum ]

Hi brother Hoanh,

good idea
Tran Ba Thien
tranbathien at gmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tran Dinh Hoanh" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: [Vnbiz] Doing politics in the Vietnamese spirit


>[ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> 
> Dear CACC,
> 
> I have just had a long talk with a younger professional who asks me
> for advice on Vietnam politics. I though I should share with you, the
> younger intellectuals, what I have just shared with my friend. So
> here it is.
> 
> 1. Today, too many people still have the slave mentality of
> worshiping their great white fathers. This mentality goes back to the
> time of the French, the Vatican, the American. Today, such mentality
> is still prevalent. For people with such mentality, Washington DC or
> Paris or Rome some western capitals are where the power of Vietnam
> reside.
> 
> 2. In the same vein, there are idiots in foreign countries (such as
> in Washington DC) who will always want to mess around with our
> country, just because they can do that and get away with it.
> 
> 3. There are people who continue to fight the old war that was
> supposed to be over in 1975 and they will do the fight under any kind
> of pretext, from human rights to democracy to religious freedom.
> 
> Avoid these people and avoid becoming one of them. If you are not
> vigilant, you can be bought much easier than you think.
> 
> We have to do politics within this fundamental principle: All
> Vietnamese are brothers and sisters. We do not do politics as
> enemies. If we compete, that is friendly competition between
> brothers/sisters.
> 
> No political systems, no political theories, no political principles
> are as important as the idea that all Vietnamese are brothers and
> sisters.
> 
> And the Vietnamese have to act as honorable Vietnamese. Don't kiss
> foreign ass while trying to beat upon your brothers and sisters.
> 
> Have as many friends around the world as possible. But treat them as
> equal friends, not as the great white fathers, especially when you
> attempt to beat upon your bothers and sisters. That is simply he`n
> ha.
> 
> That would be my advice. If we stay faithful to these principle, we
> will bring our country to greatness. And we will bring our country to
> greatness. Trust me.
> 
> Have a great day!
> 
> Hoanh
> 
> -- 
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
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From huongluongdc at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  8 14:36:30 2007
From: huongluongdc at yahoo.com (huong luong)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:36:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vnbiz] Doing politics in the Vietnamese spirit -editing
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sorry for some typo/ mispelling in my last email...hopefully CACC can guess the meaning
   
  e.g: 
  "...prawn of the cold war..." meant to be " pawn of the cold war..." e.t.c :))
   
  peace,
  H

huong luong <huongluongdc at yahoo.com> wrote:
  [ Vietnam Business Forum ]

  anh Hoanh and others,
   
  I don't know why anh Hoanh has an impression that the Vietnamese is worshiping the White "fathers"...in politics and in other aspects...who is the "white fathers" here and why we call them "fathers"....Looking back Vietnam's history, the French and the American are not the only ones to try to mess up our country, but the Chinese...the inevitable, the long-standing, the back-stabbing "brother" that we are unfortunate to be next door, the one has invaded VN longest, in every single century whom we have a war with. But we still have to play along with Chinese politics.
   
  I truly believe that Vietnam has always had its own spirit that has triumped in the past wars with any external invaders. I don't buy the fact that Vietnam is losing its spirit in international politics....I just think our leaders, or younger politicians become more sophisticated in international politics, learning how to play the game to avoid unnecessary mistakes that might cost the country a great deal (we could avoid the war with the American if we were not a prawn of the cold war game b/t the US-Soviet, we could have reconstructed the country faster to compete with SEA neighbors if we were not bogged down with the invasion of Cambodia due to the ideology of Marcist-leninist expansion led by Soviet - a decade of war with the U.S, another decade of war with the rest of world thru the isolation politically and economically, that has set VN back 20 years behind its SEA neighbors). 
   
  Conflict is avoidable, but not impossible.  Good politicians are the ones to can take away all potential threats and conflicts for the country and the World.  There's new way to love your country now not only by fighting for it with your blood, but with your brain.
   
  I think Competition is no way a friendly game, but could be a healthy game. Competition is a way to make things better and more efficient. If law and orders are established in VN, healthy competition is very possible. 
   
  I consider VN is a place where religious freedom does exist at grassroot level. VN is a country free of ethnic and religious conflicts to a large extent.  I can see a Buddhist can walk in a catholic church in HN to celebrate X-mas Eve. I don't see people fight against each other because of their religious differences in VN ever.  The religion only becomes an issue when people mix religion with politics....i prefer to keep them separate.  There has been some crack down of religious leaders because they use religion as a political tool, not because of their embrace/practice of their religions.  the way I view religion as a way to make all human being become a better person, a place for people to rest their personal faith and peace on....we should not use it as a weapon.  If a religious conflict does happen, blood will follow (see the Islam vs. Christianity, Jewish vs. Islam)
  
Democracy should come from within. It will happen in the country if its people really want it (it did happen in Indonesia in 1998). Do you think a fully-democratic system will work in VN efficiently now where people have a little concept of democracy and how to make democracy work for them? Give it some times, and the Vietnamese will figure out if they want democracy or not, and will figure out a model of democracy they want to establish, and they will fight for it once they are ready as they did fight for the independence decades ago. Any immature democracy will create further mess / instability in the country, in turn, which will undermine all development opportunities we are having right now (look at our democratic neighbor Thailand...and if you study all SEAs, you will see that those countries keep swinging back and force b/t democratic and authoritarian regimes...and they seems to develop better under the latter). Any western-liked model of democracy might not work in
 Vietnam, and Asia-wide.
   
  Democracy is a gradual process. It should be built on the foundation of well-established rule of laws, checks and balances that are missing in Vietnam right now (don't argue with me that checks and balances only exist in democratic nations...look at Singapore). Otherwise, it might be a source of domestic instability and conflicts. It can't happen overnight because its people need to learn to appreciate democracy first, and act in the name of democracy.  If the Vietnamese learn how to take voting obligation more serious, being concerned more about the Government policies that might affect their life in a bigger way rather than worrying about their own little benefits, political process in Vietnam will improve as more quality leaders come in power.
  Of course, it is naive to expect power elites to change for democracy because it is human nature: the love for power. They will hold a strong grip on power as long as they can.
   
  I view democracy is a luxury good.  People can't achieve it unless they are provided with all basic goods first (decent income per capita, social welfare, education are fundamental needs). Then, they might be ready for something better and perceive democracy differently (e.g democracy vs. populism; democracy vs. patron-client relations).
   
  We can't sit there and blame superpowers or realists in international relations. It is the nature and the principle of int' politics: every country is working for their national interests and security. We are not different if we would have the same level of economic and military power....we would act exactly like them. And international politics today is more complex than decades ago: it is a mix of realism and constructivism.  The best policy might be to put our brains at work to have an optimal foreign policy that will benefit the country in term of economy and security. 
   
  Therefore, I don????????t think younger Vietnamese politicians compromise the country????????s interests and independence in international arena. I see Vietnam is one of fearless nations in spirit, but full of hospitability.  Maybe that is ????????Vietnam????????s charm???????? that makes many foreigners feel good/welcomed when they visit VN, not the fear as anh Hoanh mentioned. And remember that Vietnam has no history of a slave country or being slaved.  We were occupied for centuries, but we have our own glorious history, heritage and culture. Then, slave mentality does NOT exist in the way the Vietnamese behave or live their lives. Plus, Asian culture in general is a high-context culture, mean avoid any direct confrontation, but does not mean compromising.
   
  Just share with CACC some thoughts. Don????????t grill me please J
   
  Peace,
  Huong
Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com> wrote:
  [ Vietnam Business Forum ]

Hi brother Hoanh,

good idea
Tran Ba Thien
tranbathien at gmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tran Dinh Hoanh" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: [Vnbiz] Doing politics in the Vietnamese spirit


>[ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> 
> Dear CACC,
> 
> I have just had a long talk with a younger professional who asks me
> for advice on Vietnam politics. I though I should share with you, the
> younger intellectuals, what I have just shared with my friend. So
> here it is.
> 
> 1. Today, too many people still have the slave mentality of
> worshiping their great white fathers. This mentality goes back to the
> time of the French, the Vatican, the American. Today, such mentality
> is still prevalent. For people with such mentality, Washington DC or
> Paris or Rome some western capitals are where the power of Vietnam
> reside.
> 
> 2. In the same vein, there are idiots in foreign countries (such as
> in Washington DC) who will always want to mess around with our
> country, just because they can do that and get away with it.
> 
> 3. There are people who continue to fight the old war that was
> supposed to be over in 1975 and they will do the fight under any kind
> of pretext, from human rights to democracy to religious freedom.
> 
> Avoid these people and avoid becoming one of them. If you are not
> vigilant, you can be bought much easier than you think.
> 
> We have to do politics within this fundamental principle: All
> Vietnamese are brothers and sisters. We do not do politics as
> enemies. If we compete, that is friendly competition between
> brothers/sisters.
> 
> No political systems, no political theories, no political principles
> are as important as the idea that all Vietnamese are brothers and
> sisters.
> 
> And the Vietnamese have to act as honorable Vietnamese. Don't kiss
> foreign ass while trying to beat upon your brothers and sisters.
> 
> Have as many friends around the world as possible. But treat them as
> equal friends, not as the great white fathers, especially when you
> attempt to beat upon your bothers and sisters. That is simply he`n
> ha.
> 
> That would be my advice. If we stay faithful to these principle, we
> will bring our country to greatness. And we will bring our country to
> greatness. Trust me.
> 
> Have a great day!
> 
> Hoanh
> 
> -- 
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
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From dieu.m.nguyen at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 17:30:52 2007
From: dieu.m.nguyen at gmail.com (Dieu Nguyen)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 19:30:52 -0500
Subject: [Vnbiz] Doing politics in the Vietnamese spirit
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Dear anh Hoanh,

It seems like you have a particular set of audience in mind for this note,
which I assume to be those who live, study or have regular contact with
foreign countries.

I agree with anh Hoanh that we cannot and should not worship either Western
power or their good will.  I agree that there are people who continue to
fight the futile war and to look at the past instead of the present.

All Vietnamese are brothers and sisters. It is a righteous principal and I
want to believe in it but there is a distance between theory/ideology and
reality. And the reality is there are many brothers and sisters who don't
like us (as us I mean to say Vietnamese who are currently living in VN) and
who want to fight agaisnt us. What should we do to reconcile with them, to
make them treat like brothers and sisters as they are ought to be?

Thanks,

Dieu Nguyen



On 6/7/07, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> Dear CACC,
>
> I have just had a long talk with a younger professional who asks me
> for advice on Vietnam politics.  I though I should share with you, the
> younger intellectuals, what I have just shared with my friend.  So
> here it is.
>
> 1.  Today, too many people still have the slave mentality of
> worshiping their great white fathers.  This mentality goes back to the
> time of the French, the Vatican, the American.  Today, such mentality
> is still prevalent.  For people with such mentality, Washington DC or
> Paris or Rome some western capitals are where the power of Vietnam
> reside.
>
> 2.  In the same vein, there are idiots in foreign countries (such as
> in Washington DC) who will always want to mess around with our
> country, just because they can do that and get away with it.
>
> 3.  There are people who continue to fight the old war that was
> supposed to be over in 1975 and they will do the fight under any kind
> of pretext, from human rights to democracy to religious freedom.
>
> Avoid these people and avoid becoming one of them.  If you are not
> vigilant, you can be bought much easier than you think.
>
> We have to do politics within this fundamental principle:  All
> Vietnamese are brothers and sisters.  We do not do politics as
> enemies.  If we compete, that is friendly competition between
> brothers/sisters.
>
> No political systems, no political theories, no political principles
> are as important as the idea that all Vietnamese are brothers and
> sisters.
>
> And the Vietnamese have to act as honorable Vietnamese.  Don't kiss
> foreign ass while trying to beat upon your brothers and sisters.
>
> Have as many friends around the world as possible.  But treat them as
> equal friends, not as the great white fathers, especially when you
> attempt to beat upon your bothers and sisters.  That is simply he`n
> ha.
>
> That would be my advice.  If we stay faithful to these principle, we
> will bring our country to greatness.  And we will bring our country to
> greatness. Trust me.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Hoanh
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
> _______________________________________________
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 20:18:17 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 23:18:17 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- Knowledge in Human Affairs (used to be "Nha
	Trang Bay")
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50706082018x7cca1ea5ld9d1d0dc7c051294@mail.gmail.com>

Dear CACC,

This message is from a comment brother Phong made to my quote "what comes
out of the right heart will be right."

I have said previously that leadership training is really the training of
the heart.  So this is a key point that we need to cover, as a part of my
series on leadership

We may think of the heart as a counterpart of the mind, like they are two
different things--the heart is emotion and the mind is logic.  But that
thinking is scientifically wrong.  Both our emotion and logic are in the
brain and they are not independent of each others, although may reside in
different parts of the brain.

In the Buddhist language, it is the word "ta^m," or heart/mind, or heart, or
mind--all indicate the same thing--our mental capacity.

Now let's look some common sense examples of how emotion produces knowledge.

Our mothers: Most of our mothers know very little about child psychology or
education or fancy training methods.  Most of them simply love their
children dearly.  And most of them raise their children well.  Conclusion:
Their love shows them what to do with their children, even though they have
very little training or knowledge on child rearing.  In other words, love
produces knowledge.

If a man truly loves his wife, he may be dumb in women psychology, may not
know how to communicate, may not know how to act properly, but if he really
loves her, he will eventually find ways to keep her happy.  If a man doesn't
really loves his wife in his heart, he may understand all the psychology of
the world and may be the great communicator, but he will not be able to keep
her happy.

Bush wanted to attacked Iraq, so the entire administration and Congress saw
lots of reasons to attack Iraq, and the entire US intelligent system--CIA,
FBI, the best of the world--saw only reasons to attack Iraq (which now are
said to be wrong).

If you truly want to have a lot of money to the degree that you dream about
money day and night, eventually you will know how to make a lot of money.

A man donates 100K to charity, if you love him you say "He is a great man,"
if you hate him, you say, "That is how he does self advertising."

The Vietnamese government has the tradition of giving amnesty to prisoners
on holidays, you would say that is a very humane and living tradition.  Many
anti-communists out here say the government have to get rid of some
prisoners because it has no more room to arrest more people.

And if you are a lawyer going to court every day, you know that each
sentence of the law can be interpreted at least two different ways and the
"facts" of the case are understood completely differently, depending on what
side you are on.

So does knowledge come independently or knowledge simply follow the heart?

Let me finish this message by a quote from the two persons who, in my
opinion, are the best masters on the human heart--Jesus of Nazareth and
Shiddartha the Buddha:

Jesus said,

"You may be hearing but never understanding
You may be seeing but never perceiving
For your heart has become callous."


And the Buddha said:

Phenomena are preceded by the heart,
        ruled by the heart,
        made of the heart.
If you speak or act
with a corrupted heart,
then suffering follows you --
as the wheel of the cart,
    the track of the ox
    that pulls it.

Phenomena are preceded by the heart,
        ruled by the heart,
        made of the heart.
If you speak or act
with a calm, bright heart,
then happiness follows you,
like a shadow
    that never leaves.
        (Dammapada -- Kinh Phap Cu
         http://www.buddhismtoday.com/english/texts/khuddaka/dhp/1.html )

So, work on your heart.

Have a great day!

Hoanh



On 6/7/07, Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov <Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
>
> Welcome back from your European adventure.
> Please share the 3 most important/impressive things from this trip.
> The idea of "what comes out of the right heart will be right" is an
> attractive, but somewhat Utopian notion.  That's not to say that it's wrong,
> just that it is too subjective by itself to be reliable and predictable.
>  Many of Vietnam's previous generations really believed and followed their
> hearts but ended up with disastrous consequences or bitter disappointment.
>  They would have been better served listening to both their hearts and
> minds.
> People everywhere has the right to petition their government, the
> difference is whether or not their government listen to them, which in turn
> directly depends on whether or not the people has the power to change those
> in power.  Culture plays a role, but there are more fundamental principles
> that transcend culture.  One of those principles is that no authority would
> willingly yield its power without a certain level of resistance.  In such an
> environment, raising your voice will ineviaby cause friction.  The critical
> difference between different system is whether or not violence is needed to
> affect changes in government.
> Best,  HPP
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 20:29:59 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 23:29:59 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Doing politics in the Vietnamese spirit
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Dear sister Dieu & CACC,

You understand me well.  And your question is very good.

As a matter of public policy, the government need to work with the Vietkieu
community as much as it can, to improve relations as much as it can.

But let me bring it to a very personal level and give you my ultimate honest
answer, as a matter of my own heart:

I know that I cannot control anyone's heart.  I have enough trouble
controlling my own heart--many times I get angry even though I want to be
calm.

I cannot make others love me and I don't even try to make anyone love me.
Trying to work on others' hearts is a futile attempt most of the time.
Instead I try to love others the best I can, constantly, all the time.  I
may not succeed in such attempt, because many times I would be so upset that
I act like I just want to knock their head off.  But at least, I seriously
try to love people as much as I can spiritually, with all my human
weaknesses.

Whether they love me or not is their business, not mine.

Does this answer your question, sis Dieu?

Hoanh


On 6/8/07, Dieu Nguyen <dieu.m.nguyen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> Dear anh Hoanh,
>
> It seems like you have a particular set of audience in mind for this note,
> which I assume to be those who live, study or have regular contact with
> foreign countries.
>
> I agree with anh Hoanh that we cannot and should not worship either
> Western power or their good will.  I agree that there are people who
> continue to fight the futile war and to look at the past instead of the
> present.
>
> All Vietnamese are brothers and sisters. It is a righteous principal and I
> want to believe in it but there is a distance between theory/ideology and
> reality. And the reality is there are many brothers and sisters who don't
> like us (as us I mean to say Vietnamese who are currently living in VN) and
> who want to fight agaisnt us. What should we do to reconcile with them, to
> make them treat like brothers and sisters as they are ought to be?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dieu Nguyen
>
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
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From dieu.m.nguyen at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 20:58:06 2007
From: dieu.m.nguyen at gmail.com (Dieu Nguyen)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 22:58:06 -0500
Subject: [Vnbiz] Doing politics in the Vietnamese spirit
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Dear brother Hoanh,

Thank you for sharing your ultimate honest answer. My question is more
tilted towards finding a solution to public policies regarding Vietkieu. If
we do not unite, achieving any success as a people/country will be very
hard.

Dieu

On 6/8/07, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
> Dear sister Dieu & CACC,
>
> You understand me well.  And your question is very good.
>
> As a matter of public policy, the government need to work with the
> Vietkieu community as much as it can, to improve relations as much as it
> can.
>
> But let me bring it to a very personal level and give you my ultimate
> honest answer, as a matter of my own heart:
>
> I know that I cannot control anyone's heart.  I have enough trouble
> controlling my own heart--many times I get angry even though I want to be
> calm.
>
> I cannot make others love me and I don't even try to make anyone love me.
> Trying to work on others' hearts is a futile attempt most of the time.
> Instead I try to love others the best I can, constantly, all the time.  I
> may not succeed in such attempt, because many times I would be so upset that
> I act like I just want to knock their head off.  But at least, I seriously
> try to love people as much as I can spiritually, with all my human
> weaknesses.
>
> Whether they love me or not is their business, not mine.
>
> Does this answer your question, sis Dieu?
>
> Hoanh
>
>
> On 6/8/07, Dieu Nguyen <dieu.m.nguyen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear anh Hoanh,
> >
> > It seems like you have a particular set of audience in mind for this
> > note, which I assume to be those who live, study or have regular contact
> > with foreign countries.
> >
> > I agree with anh Hoanh that we cannot and should not worship either
> > Western power or their good will.  I agree that there are people who
> > continue to fight the futile war and to look at the past instead of the
> > present.
> >
> > All Vietnamese are brothers and sisters. It is a righteous principal and
> > I want to believe in it but there is a distance between theory/ideology and
> > reality. And the reality is there are many brothers and sisters who don't
> > like us (as us I mean to say Vietnamese who are currently living in VN) and
> > who want to fight agaisnt us. What should we do to reconcile with them, to
> > make them treat like brothers and sisters as they are ought to be?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dieu Nguyen
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> > Washington DC
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Fri Jun  8 22:09:56 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 01:09:56 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Doing politics in the Vietnamese spirit
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	<e99c03f10706081730g2e3b5048kd19aea2ceb3aa45b@mail.gmail.com>
	<fe5aabf50706082029l138c1218g47177e3ead884af2@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear sis Dieu,

As a matter of public policy, the government should try the best it can in
improving Vietkieu policies.  But we need to be realistic, there are some
people you never can convince.  So try.  But be wise enough to know your
limit and the policy's limit.  That's all.

Hoanh


On 6/8/07, Dieu Nguyen <dieu.m.nguyen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> Dear brother Hoanh,
>
> Thank you for sharing your ultimate honest answer. My question is more
> tilted towards finding a solution to public policies regarding Vietkieu. If
> we do not unite, achieving any success as a people/country will be very
> hard.
>
> Dieu
>
> On 6/8/07, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear sister Dieu & CACC,
> >
> > You understand me well.  And your question is very good.
> >
> > As a matter of public policy, the government need to work with the
> > Vietkieu community as much as it can, to improve relations as much as it
> > can.
> >
> > But let me bring it to a very personal level and give you my ultimate
> > honest answer, as a matter of my own heart:
> >
> > I know that I cannot control anyone's heart.  I have enough trouble
> > controlling my own heart--many times I get angry even though I want to be
> > calm.
> >
> > I cannot make others love me and I don't even try to make anyone love
> > me. Trying to work on others' hearts is a futile attempt most of the time.
> > Instead I try to love others the best I can, constantly, all the time.  I
> > may not succeed in such attempt, because many times I would be so upset that
> > I act like I just want to knock their head off.  But at least, I seriously
> > try to love people as much as I can spiritually, with all my human
> > weaknesses.
> >
> > Whether they love me or not is their business, not mine.
> >
> > Does this answer your question, sis Dieu?
> >
> > Hoanh
> >
> >
> > On 6/8/07, Dieu Nguyen <dieu.m.nguyen at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear anh Hoanh,
> > >
> > > It seems like you have a particular set of audience in mind for this
> > > note, which I assume to be those who live, study or have regular contact
> > > with foreign countries.
> > >
> > > I agree with anh Hoanh that we cannot and should not worship either
> > > Western power or their good will.  I agree that there are people who
> > > continue to fight the futile war and to look at the past instead of the
> > > present.
> > >
> > > All Vietnamese are brothers and sisters. It is a righteous principal
> > > and I want to believe in it but there is a distance between theory/ideology
> > > and reality. And the reality is there are many brothers and sisters who
> > > don't like us (as us I mean to say Vietnamese who are currently living in
> > > VN) and who want to fight agaisnt us. What should we do to reconcile with
> > > them, to make them treat like brothers and sisters as they are ought to be?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Dieu Nguyen
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> > > Washington DC
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe, please contact admins at
> > vnbizadmin at vietlinks.net
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> > or http://groups-beta.google.com/group/VNBIZforum/
> > or http://mail.saigon.com/pipermail/vnbiz
> >
> >
>
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-- 
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Sat Jun  9 18:07:12 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 21:07:12 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Doing politics in the Vietnamese spirit -editing
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Dear sis Huong & CACC,

Thanks for an excellent exposition of the issue, Huong.  I agree
wholeheartedly.

Great day, sister.

Hoanh


On 6/8/07, huong luong <huongluongdc at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> sorry for some typo/ mispelling in my last email...hopefully CACC can
> guess the meaning
>
> e.g:
> "...prawn of the cold war..." meant to be " pawn of the cold war..." e.t.c:))
>
> peace,
> H
>
> *huong luong <huongluongdc at yahoo.com>* wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> anh Hoanh and others,
>
> I don't know why anh Hoanh has an impression that the Vietnamese is
> worshiping the White "fathers"...in politics and in other aspects...who is
> the "white fathers" here and why we call them "fathers"....Looking back
> Vietnam's history, the French and the American are not the only ones to try
> to mess up our country, but the Chinese...the inevitable, the long-standing,
> the back-stabbing "brother" that we are unfortunate to be next door, the one
> has invaded VN longest, in every single century whom we have a war with. But
> we still have to play along with Chinese politics.
>
> I truly believe that Vietnam has always had its own spirit that has
> triumped in the past wars with any external invaders. I don't buy the fact
> that Vietnam is losing its spirit in international politics....I just think
> our leaders, or younger politicians become more sophisticated in
> international politics, learning how to play the game to avoid unnecessary
> mistakes that might cost the country a great deal (we could avoid the war
> with the American if we were not a prawn of the cold war game b/t the
> US-Soviet, we could have reconstructed the country faster to compete with
> SEA neighbors if we were not bogged down with the invasion of Cambodia due
> to the ideology of Marcist-leninist expansion led by Soviet - a decade of
> war with the U.S, another decade of war with the rest of world thru the
> isolation politically and economically, that has set VN back 20 years behind
> its SEA neighbors).
>
> Conflict is avoidable, but not impossible.  Good politicians are the ones
> to can take away all potential threats and conflicts for the country and the
> World.  There's new way to love your country now not only by fighting for it
> with your blood, but with your brain.
>
> I think Competition is no way a friendly game, but could be a healthy
> game. Competition is a way to make things better and more efficient. If law
> and orders are established in VN, healthy competition is very possible.
>
> I consider VN is a place where religious freedom does exist at grassroot
> level. VN is a country free of ethnic and religious conflicts to a large
> extent.  I can see a Buddhist can walk in a catholic church in HN to
> celebrate X-mas Eve. I don't see people fight against each other because of
> their religious differences in VN ever.  The religion only becomes an issue
> when people mix religion with politics....i prefer to keep them separate.
> There has been some crack down of religious leaders because they use
> religion as a political tool, not because of their embrace/practice of their
> religions.  the way I view religion as a way to make all human being become
> a better person, a place for people to rest their personal faith and peace
> on....we should not use it as a weapon.  If a religious conflict does
> happen, blood will follow (see the Islam vs. Christianity, Jewish vs. Islam)
>
> Democracy should come from within. It will happen in the country if its
> people really want it (it did happen in Indonesia in 1998). Do you think a
> fully-democratic system will work in VN efficiently now where people have a
> little concept of democracy and how to make democracy work for them? Give it
> some times, and the Vietnamese will figure out if they want democracy or
> not, and will figure out a model of democracy they want to establish, and
> they will fight for it once they are ready as they did fight for the
> independence decades ago. Any immature democracy will create further mess /
> instability in the country, in turn, which will undermine all development
> opportunities we are having right now (look at our democratic neighbor
> Thailand...and if you study all SEAs, you will see that those countries keep
> swinging back and force b/t democratic and authoritarian regimes...and they
> seems to develop better under the latter). Any western-liked model of
> democracy might not work in Vietnam, and Asia-wide.
>
> Democracy is a gradual process. It should be built on the foundation of
> well-established rule of laws, checks and balances that are missing in
> Vietnam right now (don't argue with me that checks and balances only exist
> in democratic nations...look at Singapore). Otherwise, it might be a source
> of domestic instability and conflicts. It can't happen overnight because its
> people need to learn to appreciate democracy first, and act in the name of
> democracy.  If the Vietnamese learn how to take voting obligation more
> serious, being concerned more about the Government policies that might
> affect their life in a bigger way rather than worrying about their own
> little benefits, political process in Vietnam will improve as more quality
> leaders come in power.
> Of course, it is naive to expect power elites to change for democracy
> because it is human nature: the love for power. They will hold a strong grip
> on power as long as they can.
>
> I view democracy is a luxury good.  People can't achieve it unless they
> are provided with all basic goods first (decent income per capita,
> social welfare, education are fundamental needs). Then, they might be ready
> for something better and perceive democracy differently (e.g democracy vs.
> populism; democracy vs. patron-client relations).
>
> We can't sit there and blame superpowers or realists in international
> relations. It is the nature and the principle of int' politics: every
> country is working for their national interests and security. We are not
> different if we would have the same level of economic and military
> power....we would act exactly like them. And international politics today is
> more complex than decades ago: it is a mix of realism and constructivism.
> The best policy might be to put our brains at work to have an optimal
> foreign policy that will benefit the country in term of economy and
> security.
>
> Therefore, I don???????'t think younger Vietnamese politicians compromise
> the country???????'s interests and independence in international arena. I
> see Vietnam is one of fearless nations in spirit, but full of hospitability.
> Maybe that is ???????"Vietnam???????'s charm???????" that makes many
> foreigners feel good/welcomed when they visit VN, not the fear as anh Hoanh
> mentioned. And remember that Vietnam has no history of a slave country or
> being slaved.  We were occupied for centuries, but we have our own
> glorious history, heritage and culture. Then, slave mentality does NOT exist
> in the way the Vietnamese behave or live their lives. Plus, Asian culture in
> general is a high-context culture, mean avoid any direct confrontation, but
> does not mean compromising.
>   Just share with CACC some thoughts. Don???????'t grill me please J
>
> Peace,
> Huong
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
>
>
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From cstevenson2000 at gmail.com  Sat Jun  9 20:06:33 2007
From: cstevenson2000 at gmail.com (Craig Stevenson)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 23:06:33 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Many experiences, and when you really think about it,
	one story
Message-ID: <a77371e30706092006s2375d4a9h5e1cb918f3d69b4@mail.gmail.com>

I have a friend who slept on the ground in the snow. He would rise each
morning, shake the snow from himself and wait for a watery soup and a crust
of bread. Sometime before that his son carried the limp steaming bodies of
his soccer mates.  His son cried for his fallen friends, his father was
imprisoned by their cousins. No the father didn't kill the boys, he was just
a different religion.



I have a friend whose father fought, by turning a wrench, for the south.
Unfortunately, that lovely old man died not long ago. My friend is married
to a woman whose family fought for the north. His Mom doesn't understand, is
angry, hey she lost everything, the seemingly God given right to a peaceful
life, ?..who wouldn't be angry.



I have another friend whose grandfather did something for the south, that
man's brother fought for the north. My friend lives in the USA, his Uncle is
a government official in Vietnam.



I have another friend who doesn't have a leg.  He is too young to have
fought in the war.  He goes back to Vietnam each year and gives until he
can't give anymore.  "No, no Craig.  You pay when you have a good business.
I pay.  My friends, here, you see, before I was very poor.  They took care
of me. Now I do what I can for them."



I have a friend his father did something for the south. My friend is older.
You can see it in his eyes.  If only he could do something for the poor. His
brother (cousin) has a factory, was early back to Vietnam, taught his
specialty at University, and was married to a woman in the North.  I say was
because he recently died.  Shame, am sure he didn't do as much as he had
wanted to.



I have another friend, I think he's from Hoi An. He is smart, hardworking,
and ambitious.  I would love to do a business with him; I will, God Willing.
He thinks that too many Viet Kieu come back and act like Gods. They throw
their money around and lecture.



My one-legged friend does throw his money around. Each time we drive down a
rode and he sees a group of hawkers just in from the country, he pulls over
and pulls five, ten, twenty into the nearest restaurant, orders milk for the
baby's and full meal for all. I think they think he wants to kidnap them. He
laughs, "You see Craig, I was very poor.  But I tell you don't give them
money, buy them things that they can use, like food, otherwise they save it
for land.  But for land they would have to save too long and they would
starve first."



One day I was walking through Hanoi and met a man with one of the men I
previously mentioned.  This man told my friend, "Don't tell them that you're
from there, they don't like us too much."



My friend who slept in the snow, who was imprisoned for being of another
religion is happy to be alive.  True, he is not well.  He has had quadruple
heart surgery from the strain to his heart being forced to sleep outside in
a Bosnian winter. My friends son is Croat, his friends were Muslim. My
friend is Croat.  He secretly filmed the Serbs massacring Muslims, and tried
for the tapes to be seen by the world. Ironically, later my friend was put
in jail by Muslims, because he was a Croat. There he slept in the snow on
the ground.



I have another friend, actually the son of a friend.  He's becoming a
Pharmacist.  I say, "You really should visit Vietnam".  He says, "I don't
know, I wish I were more fluent."  I say, "What you speak Vietnamese, you
are Vietnamese". He replies, "Yeah I know but I don't speak it that well."  I
say, "So you got a girlfriend?" He says, "No." I say, "So what kind of girl
do you like?" He says, "A girl with dark hair!" I say, "What, an Hispanic?
He responds, "No, a Vietnamese! Are you kidding, my family would never let
me be with anyone else."



Truth is a matter of perspective; it is subjective.  It is known through our
own eyes. A philosopher once said that nothing in life is continuous but
change. It might be that even our eyes can change.
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From huongluongdc at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 10 04:36:17 2007
From: huongluongdc at yahoo.com (huong luong)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 04:36:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vnbiz] Many experiences, and when you really think about it,
	one story
In-Reply-To: <a77371e30706092006s2375d4a9h5e1cb918f3d69b4@mail.gmail.com>
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Great stories, Craig!
  H

Craig Stevenson <cstevenson2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
  [ Vietnam Business Forum ]


  I have a friend who slept on the ground in the snow. He would rise each morning, shake the snow from himself and wait for a watery soup and a crust of bread. Sometime before that his son carried the limp steaming bodies of his soccer mates.  His son cried for his fallen friends, his father was imprisoned by their cousins. No the father didn't kill the boys, he was just a different religion. 
   
  I have a friend whose father fought, by turning a wrench, for the south. Unfortunately, that lovely old man died not long ago. My friend is married to a woman whose family fought for the north. His Mom doesn't understand, is angry, hey she lost everything, the seemingly God given right to a peaceful life, ?
..who wouldn't be angry. 
   
  I have another friend whose grandfather did something for the south, that man's brother fought for the north. My friend lives in the USA, his Uncle is a government official in Vietnam. 
   
  I have another friend who doesn't have a leg.  He is too young to have fought in the war.  He goes back to Vietnam each year and gives until he can't give anymore.  "No, no Craig.  You pay when you have a good business.  I pay.  My friends, here, you see, before I was very poor.  They took care of me. Now I do what I can for them."  
   
  I have a friend his father did something for the south. My friend is older. You can see it in his eyes.  If only he could do something for the poor. His brother (cousin) has a factory, was early back to Vietnam, taught his specialty at University, and was married to a woman in the North.  I say was because he recently died.  Shame, am sure he didn't do as much as he had wanted to. 
   
  I have another friend, I think he's from Hoi An. He is smart, hardworking, and ambitious.  I would love to do a business with him; I will, God Willing. He thinks that too many Viet Kieu come back and act like Gods. They throw their money around and lecture. 
   
  My one-legged friend does throw his money around. Each time we drive down a rode and he sees a group of hawkers just in from the country, he pulls over and pulls five, ten, twenty into the nearest restaurant, orders milk for the baby's and full meal for all. I think they think he wants to kidnap them. He laughs, "You see Craig, I was very poor.  But I tell you don't give them money, buy them things that they can use, like food, otherwise they save it for land.  But for land they would have to save too long and they would starve first."   
   
  One day I was walking through Hanoi and met a man with one of the men I previously mentioned.  This man told my friend, "Don't tell them that you're from there, they don't like us too much."
   
  My friend who slept in the snow, who was imprisoned for being of another religion is happy to be alive.  True, he is not well.  He has had quadruple heart surgery from the strain to his heart being forced to sleep outside in a Bosnian winter. My friends son is Croat, his friends were Muslim. My friend is Croat.  He secretly filmed the Serbs massacring Muslims, and tried for the tapes to be seen by the world. Ironically, later my friend was put in jail by Muslims, because he was a Croat. There he slept in the snow on the ground.
   
  I have another friend, actually the son of a friend.  He's becoming a Pharmacist.  I say, "You really should visit Vietnam".  He says, "I don't know, I wish I were more fluent."  I say, "What you speak Vietnamese, you are Vietnamese". He replies, "Yeah I know but I don't speak it that well."  I say, "So you got a girlfriend?" He says, "No." I say, "So what kind of girl do you like?" He says, "A girl with dark hair!" I say, "What, an Hispanic? He responds, "No, a Vietnamese! Are you kidding, my family would never let me be with anyone else."      
   
  Truth is a matter of perspective; it is subjective.  It is known through our own eyes. A philosopher once said that nothing in life is continuous but change. It might be that even our eyes can change.
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Sun Jun 10 11:48:14 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:48:14 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Building the American-Vietnamese friendship and
	understanding
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50706101148y18dcaf20ga29484c440ac4ccc@mail.gmail.com>

Dear CACC,

I have been thinking about this issue for a while, but I am reluctant about
writing this down, because every time I come up with an idea for action, I
am afraid that I will have to run the project (I have tons of projects
already on my hands).  Anyway, I have always felt that the US-VN
understanding should be increased, especially from the US side.  The
Vietnamese in general know the US well, but the American don't know Vietnam
well.  Most of them, including the politicos in Washington, still think of
Vietnam more as a war than as a beautiful country with a wonderful people.

So how do we help improve the mutual understand between the two countries?
In this family alone, we have Vietnamese American, we have Vietnamese
students in the US, we have many Vietnamese with superb English.  Over the
years, Vietnam has many US alumni, i.e. graduates of US universities. So can
we come up with simple mechanism to do that?

I know that there is government-run US-Vietnam Society (Hoi Viet My)  in
Hanoi and its leaders (anh Vu Xuan Hong, anh Hoang Cong Thuy, anh Pham Khac
Lam ,etc..) are actually my personal friends.  But I am talking about a
people-based mechanism (i.e., non-government).  And I don't like the idea of
a typical 503(c) organization with all kinds of fund raising activities and
reports, because you spend most of your daily life doing fundraising and
writing reports!!!  (But if you like the idea of 503(c), fine with me!).  I
am thinking about a network of friends focusing on things that make
the American and the Vietnamese love each other more.

Any idea?

Hoanh

-- 
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC
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From cstevenson2000 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 10 12:00:29 2007
From: cstevenson2000 at gmail.com (Craig Stevenson)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:00:29 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Building the American-Vietnamese friendship and
	understanding
In-Reply-To: <fe5aabf50706101148y18dcaf20ga29484c440ac4ccc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fe5aabf50706101148y18dcaf20ga29484c440ac4ccc@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear CACC:

I would help, have a background in fund raising, non-profit management, and
reporting.
Could teach those skills to others, guide others if desired.

One simple idea is something that advertised opportunities for within the
network.  Fulbrights, exchanges, etc...

Craig

On 6/10/07, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
> Dear CACC,
>
> I have been thinking about this issue for a while, but I am reluctant
> about writing this down, because every time I come up with an idea for
> action, I am afraid that I will have to run the project (I have tons of
> projects already on my hands).  Anyway, I have always felt that the US-VN
> understanding should be increased, especially from the US side.  The
> Vietnamese in general know the US well, but the American don't know Vietnam
> well.  Most of them, including the politicos in Washington, still think of
> Vietnam more as a war than as a beautiful country with a wonderful people.
>
> So how do we help improve the mutual understand between the two
> countries?  In this family alone, we have Vietnamese American, we have
> Vietnamese students in the US, we have many Vietnamese with superb English.
> Over the years, Vietnam has many US alumni, i.e. graduates of US
> universities. So can we come up with simple mechanism to do that?
>
> I know that there is government-run US-Vietnam Society (Hoi Viet My)  in
> Hanoi and its leaders (anh Vu Xuan Hong, anh Hoang Cong Thuy, anh Pham Khac
> Lam ,etc..) are actually my personal friends.  But I am talking about a
> people-based mechanism ( i.e., non-government).  And I don't like the idea
> of a typical 503(c) organization with all kinds of fund raising activities
> and reports, because you spend most of your daily life doing fundraising and
> writing reports!!!  (But if you like the idea of 503(c), fine with me!).  I
> am thinking about a network of friends focusing on things that make
> the American and the Vietnamese love each other more.
>
> Any idea?
>
> Hoanh
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
>
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From huongluongdc at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 10 12:59:28 2007
From: huongluongdc at yahoo.com (huong luong)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:59:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vnbiz] Building the American-Vietnamese friendship and
	understanding
In-Reply-To: <fe5aabf50706101148y18dcaf20ga29484c440ac4ccc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <409528.44375.qm@web50908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Anh Hoanh,
  Great idea.  This is completely my personal experience. I don't meet many Americans who hate me...I met some Vietnamese-Americans here who seem to be more sensitive to me more than Americans and I can understand the reason well enough for not feeling bad about it.  
   
  Americans appear to be ignorant rather than hateful people in my opinion. Vietnam is not the only country ignored by the American public. Why? look at the content covered by media here: they talk entire day about Paris Hilton or Anna Smith, but less than 30' of news around the world (I am not sure about other paid channels, but I do have basic channels like CNN, MSNBC...the best is BBC, 30's ABC world news with Charlie Gibson).  I feel I get more news about the world in VN rather than in the US even VN is known for media control and sensorship.  U.S free press in wrapped up in domestic issues or international issues that relate directly to domestic politics. The entertainment industry here is too big that they can produce enough domestic program for their audience.  They don't have time to show other countries to their people and audience (oh, maybe travel channel). However, domestic politics play a big part in American lifestyle b/c they take their voting right "too"
 seriously. That's why nothing else matters. And media will broadcast what its people want to hear.
   
  I like the idea of working/volunteering with NGOs (association of doctors, EL teaching...) to bring more Americans to VN to help...I support the Peace Corp (but not approved yet for political reasons), alumni networks, 
   
  I don' have a big idea to contribute...but I humbly ask CACC on this forum who are executives, business managers in different sectors to consider if we can coordinate with universities in the US to bring their students to VN for internships, field trips (with our assisance in the U.S)... I met a lot of students at SAIS and asked them why they chose SEA studies or China studies..simply the decision comes from their first experience overseas.  If more students hear about VN, they will be interested in the country and the region.
  If CACC have intership opportunities in VN, please let me or CACC like anh Hoanh and others here know, we can post in university websites, I am sure american students will be interested in going to VN as  adventures.
   
  EL teaching mission in VN might be helpful.  We can advertise in universities that we need EL teachers in VN during summer breaks, winter breaks with hosting family programs.  
   
  I also like the programs of the OPERATION Smile in VN by bringing volunteering doctors/dentists to VN to treat children. This kind of activities enhance the mutual understanding/ love of both sides.  I met some doctors and talked with them...it turned out many of them frustrated for not being picked by Operation Smile to go to VN even they are willing to pay for the trip and pay fees if required. I start thinking if we can promote this kind of activities b/t two countries...it would be great.
   
  and last but not least, TOURISM, tourism and tourism....i personally advocate VN tourism with not only Vietnamese-American here, but with any American I run into on streets, in restaurants...as soon as they know I am from VN. And of course, I used many friends of mine as "not-so-volunteering" guides when they are there :))
   
  Any other ideas?
  Huong
  

Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com> wrote:
  [ Vietnam Business Forum ]

  Dear CACC,
   
  I have been thinking about this issue for a while, but I am reluctant about writing this down, because every time I come up with an idea for action, I am afraid that I will have to run the project (I have tons of projects already on my hands).  Anyway, I have always felt that the US-VN understanding should be increased, especially from the US side.  The Vietnamese in general know the US well, but the American don't know Vietnam well.  Most of them, including the politicos in Washington, still think of Vietnam more as a war than as a beautiful country with a wonderful people. 
   
  So how do we help improve the mutual understand between the two countries?  In this family alone, we have Vietnamese American, we have Vietnamese students in the US, we have many Vietnamese with superb English.  Over the years, Vietnam has many US alumni, i.e. graduates of US universities. So can we come up with simple mechanism to do that?
   
  I know that there is government-run US-Vietnam Society (Hoi Viet My)  in Hanoi and its leaders (anh Vu Xuan Hong, anh Hoang Cong Thuy, anh Pham Khac Lam ,etc..) are actually my personal friends.  But I am talking about a people-based mechanism ( i.e., non-government).  And I don't like the idea of a typical 503(c) organization with all kinds of fund raising activities and reports, because you spend most of your daily life doing fundraising and writing reports!!!  (But if you like the idea of 503(c), fine with me!).  I am thinking about a network of friends focusing on things that make the American and the Vietnamese love each other more. 
   
  Any idea?
   
  Hoanh 

-- 
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC 
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From cstevenson2000 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 10 19:54:14 2007
From: cstevenson2000 at gmail.com (Craig Stevenson)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:54:14 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Building the American-Vietnamese friendship and
	understanding
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Huong and ALL,

I agree with much of your sentiment toward many of the points you raise
regarding US media, attitudes toward voting,  and knowledge of  world
affairs. For the US in the present era, similar to Vietnam and everywhere
else throughout the world, education is paramount.  Deriving one's knowledge
and perspective from national, essentially popular news outlets, is simply a
waste of time.  Far better outlets exist; web, think tank, professional and
academic journals, panels and conference round-tables. With such an
explosion of knowledge in humanities education, there are millions upon
millions of more discerning consumers of information for a very wide range
of disciplines in the US. Yet, normally, Americans are essentially focused
on things more parochial; those things directly related to each their
individual lives. As to domestic politics too seriously, I would think that
most consider it only superficially. Yet, the fact remains that there are
millions upon millions of those learned and dedicated to whatever their
goal(s) might be in respect to their political beliefs. Which reminds that
there are millions upon millions, perhaps billions, or all, who take some
belief seriously, and as humans, often too seriously.

I really liked your ideas Huong related to younger Americans, Universities,
Exchanges, etc... I have always been an advocate of letting people 26 and
under to know that there are a tremendous amount of opportunity available
for exchanges and such. But few Americans ever take advantage of these
opportunities.  I would be interested in participating in an effort to
catalog such opportunities.  Further to work on strategies for marketing to
college students and professional associations.  Would love to brainstorm.
Open source open courseware could be used to facilitate team interaction,
members from wherever they may be assuming others are interested
(hopefully).

We could catalog programs/initiatives that involve VN or US citizen
opportunities.  We could contact local rotaries and request they sponsor for
exchanges with identified organizations in Vietnam.  Really so many other
things.  I will offer more ideas later as at present I have many things to
do.

Cheers,

Craig





On 6/10/07, huong luong <huongluongdc at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
> Anh Hoanh,
> Great idea.  This is completely my personal experience. I don't meet many
> Americans who hate me...I met some Vietnamese-Americans here who seem to be
> more sensitive to me more than Americans and I can understand the reason
> well enough for not feeling bad about it.
>
> Americans appear to be ignorant rather than hateful people in my opinion.
> Vietnam is not the only country ignored by the American public. Why? look at
> the content covered by media here: they talk entire day about Paris Hilton
> or Anna Smith, but less than 30' of news around the world (I am not sure
> about other paid channels, but I do have basic channels like CNN,
> MSNBC...the best is BBC, 30's ABC world news with Charlie Gibson).  I feel I
> get more news about the world in VN rather than in the US even VN is known
> for media control and sensorship.  U.S free press in wrapped up in
> domestic issues or international issues that relate directly to domestic
> politics. The entertainment industry here is too big that they can produce
> enough domestic program for their audience.  They don't have time to show
> other countries to their people and audience (oh, maybe travel channel).
> However, domestic politics play a big part in American lifestyle b/c they
> take their voting right "too" seriously. That's why nothing else matters.
> And media will broadcast what its people want to hear.
>
> I like the idea of working/volunteering with NGOs (association of doctors,
> EL teaching...) to bring more Americans to VN to help...I support the Peace
> Corp (but not approved yet for political reasons), alumni networks,
>
> I don' have a big idea to contribute...but I humbly ask CACC on this forum
> who are executives, business managers in different sectors to consider if we
> can coordinate with universities in the US to bring their students to VN for
> internships, field trips (with our assisance in the U.S)... I met a lot of
> students at SAIS and asked them why they chose SEA studies or China
> studies..simply the decision comes from their first experience overseas.  If
> more students hear about VN, they will be interested in the country and the
> region.
> If CACC have intership opportunities in VN, please let me or CACC like anh
> Hoanh and others here know, we can post in university websites, I am sure
> american students will be interested in going to VN as  adventures.
>
> EL teaching mission in VN might be helpful.  We can advertise in
> universities that we need EL teachers in VN during summer breaks, winter
> breaks with hosting family programs.
>
> I also like the programs of the OPERATION Smile in VN by bringing
> volunteering doctors/dentists to VN to treat children. This kind of
> activities enhance the mutual understanding/ love of both sides.  I met some
> doctors and talked with them...it turned out many of them frustrated for not
> being picked by Operation Smile to go to VN even they are willing to pay for
> the trip and pay fees if required. I start thinking if we can promote this
> kind of activities b/t two countries...it would be great.
>
> and last but not least, TOURISM, tourism and tourism....i personally
> advocate VN tourism with not only Vietnamese-American here, but with any
> American I run into on streets, in restaurants...as soon as they know I am
> from VN. And of course, I used many friends of mine as "not-so-volunteering"
> guides when they are there :))
>
> Any other ideas?
> Huong
>
>
> *Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> Dear CACC,
>
> I have been thinking about this issue for a while, but I am reluctant
> about writing this down, because every time I come up with an idea for
> action, I am afraid that I will have to run the project (I have tons of
> projects already on my hands).  Anyway, I have always felt that the US-VN
> understanding should be increased, especially from the US side.  The
> Vietnamese in general know the US well, but the American don't know Vietnam
> well.  Most of them, including the politicos in Washington, still think of
> Vietnam more as a war than as a beautiful country with a wonderful people.
>
> So how do we help improve the mutual understand between the two
> countries?  In this family alone, we have Vietnamese American, we have
> Vietnamese students in the US, we have many Vietnamese with superb English.
> Over the years, Vietnam has many US alumni, i.e. graduates of US
> universities. So can we come up with simple mechanism to do that?
>
> I know that there is government-run US-Vietnam Society (Hoi Viet My)  in
> Hanoi and its leaders (anh Vu Xuan Hong, anh Hoang Cong Thuy, anh Pham Khac
> Lam ,etc..) are actually my personal friends.  But I am talking about a
> people-based mechanism ( i.e., non-government).  And I don't like the idea
> of a typical 503(c) organization with all kinds of fund raising activities
> and reports, because you spend most of your daily life doing fundraising and
> writing reports!!!  (But if you like the idea of 503(c), fine with me!).  I
> am thinking about a network of friends focusing on things that make
> the American and the Vietnamese love each other more.
>
> Any idea?
>
> Hoanh
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
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From rajakumar.sankar at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 03:10:15 2007
From: rajakumar.sankar at gmail.com (Rajakumar sankar)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:40:15 +0530
Subject: [Vnbiz] Building the American-Vietnamese friendship and
	understanding
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Dear Hoanh,


I am happy to  hear that you are thinking of a people to people interaction
through informal mechanisms. I would suggest that it would be use full to
find  NGO's in  US and Vietnam. These identified NGO's ( More number of
NGO's to be identified in Vietnam) can start in festival of vietnam in USA .
And similarly In vietnam  festival of USA can be organised. The Vietnamies
in USA can promote this and they can decied collectively as to what aspect
vietnam they want to expose in these festivals. A club by name friends of
Vietnam can be promoted in USA- this could be do celeberate the festivals
and also appreciate the vietnam culture and people.  Theater from vietnam
can also be performed, exchange program of people betwen Vietnam and USA can
be worked out.

I appeal to all the vietnames in USA to take up these activities as a
priority.

Wishing both the country people to understand each other and exchange peace
and development in all sphere of life.

Thanks for reading my views,

Giving Ideas is easy making it happen is very difficult,

I am ready to take uop any responsibility given to me in this direction as a
person love peace and development of people as equals and partners in
development.


Regards


Rajakumar

On 6/11/07, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> Dear CACC,
>
> I have been thinking about this issue for a while, but I am reluctant
> about writing this down, because every time I come up with an idea for
> action, I am afraid that I will have to run the project (I have tons of
> projects already on my hands).  Anyway, I have always felt that the US-VN
> understanding should be increased, especially from the US side.  The
> Vietnamese in general know the US well, but the American don't know Vietnam
> well.  Most of them, including the politicos in Washington, still think of
> Vietnam more as a war than as a beautiful country with a wonderful people.
>
> So how do we help improve the mutual understand between the two
> countries?  In this family alone, we have Vietnamese American, we have
> Vietnamese students in the US, we have many Vietnamese with superb English.
> Over the years, Vietnam has many US alumni, i.e. graduates of US
> universities. So can we come up with simple mechanism to do that?
>
> I know that there is government-run US-Vietnam Society (Hoi Viet My)  in
> Hanoi and its leaders (anh Vu Xuan Hong, anh Hoang Cong Thuy, anh Pham Khac
> Lam ,etc..) are actually my personal friends.  But I am talking about a
> people-based mechanism ( i.e., non-government).  And I don't like the idea
> of a typical 503(c) organization with all kinds of fund raising activities
> and reports, because you spend most of your daily life doing fundraising and
> writing reports!!!  (But if you like the idea of 503(c), fine with me!).  I
> am thinking about a network of friends focusing on things that make
> the American and the Vietnamese love each other more.
>
> Any idea?
>
> Hoanh
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
>
> _______________________________________________
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From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Mon Jun 11 04:29:08 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:29:08 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Vietnamese take painful Agent Orange battle to heart of old
	enemy
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Vietnamese take painful Agent Orange battle to heart of old enemy

Frank Zeller 
The Standard -
Monday, June 11, 2007

When Nguyen Van Quy's platoon fought in the Vietnam War battlefields of Kontum in 1972, his soldiers moved through eerie landscapes where the US defoliant Agent Orange had stripped the jungle bare.
"All the big trees were dead, they had no leaves," the 52-year-old veteran remembers. "Only the new undergrowth was green. We saw big chemical drums, but at the time we didn't know what they were."

Finding food was difficult in the denuded mountains, forcing the young soldiers to forage for frogs, cassava and wild plants and drink water from local streams, the former platoon leader said.

Quy was wounded three times as his North Vietnam forces battled the US- backed Saigon regime - but the worst pain, he said, came years after the war ended in communist victory in 1975.

Today Quy has stomach cancer and liver and lung disease. His first child died at birth, he said, his 20-year-old son is paralyzed, and his 18-year-old daughter is deaf and mute and suffers from mental retardation.

Quy blames dioxin, the highly toxic chemical and known carcinogen in the herbicides of which US forces sprayed up to 80 million liters over southern Vietnam between 1961 and 1971. Agent Orange was sprayed from US and South Vietnamese aircraft to defoliate forests and mangroves to deprive the enemy of cover and food supplies.

Quy was Sunday set to arrive in the United States with a delegation of the Vietnamese Association of Victims of Agent Orange/Dioxin, or VAVA, to fight for compensation from 37 US firms that produced Agent Orange. Their case against the companies, including giants Dow Chemical and Monsanto, was thrown out in 2005, but the plaintiffs will launch their appeal June 18 at a federal court in New York.

The court hearing will take place on the same day Vietnam's President Nguyen Minh Triet comes to New York ahead of a June 22 meeting with US President George W Bush, the first US visit by a postwar Vietnamese head of state.

Hanoi says around 4.8 million Vietnamese have been exposed to dioxin with more than three million people eventually becoming victims of Agent Orange.

Washington has denied responsibility and pointed to an absence of universally agreed scientific data on the chemical's effects.

In a sign of closer cooperation, the United States offered Vietnam US$400,000 (HK$3.12 million) to study the cleanup of a "dioxin hotspot," the former US airbase and Agent Orange depot in the central coastal city of Danang.

But VAVA says the amount does not address the disastrous consequences of chemical warfare - millions who have suffered a variety of diseases and birth defects.

VAVA vice president Nguyen Trong Nhan predicted their legal battle would be "extremely difficult."

"Vietnam is a poor country and the American companies are very rich and Vietnamese victims are suing in a US court." But he said the Vietnamese are confident of victory. "We lost some battles against the Americans, but we won the war. It will be the same in this case. We are in a winning position. Many people say that politically we have already won." 

AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Mon Jun 11 04:49:37 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:49:37 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Vietnam PM Urges Ministries To Step Up Spending To Speed
	Devt
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Vietnam PM Urges Ministries To Step Up Spending To Speed Devt 



HANOI -(Dow Jones)-June, 8, 2007 - Vietnam's ministries and government agencies have fallen behind in their 2007 spending, and Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung has urged ministers to disburse funds faster to meet the country's development targets for the year, a government statement said Monday.

"Leaders of the ministries, provinces and larger corporations must have stronger measures to speed up their investment plans for this year," said Dung, who presided over a government meeting Sunday to review economic activities.

Dung blamed ineffective coordination between different ministries and authorities for the slow spending.

The country is targeting economic growth of 8.5% for 2007. It aims to expand it economy by 9% in the second half.

Minister of Planning and Investment Vo Hong Phuc said during the meeting that by the end of the first half of this year, Vietnam would have spent an estimated VND42.4 trillion ($2.65 billion) from the state budget on development projects, accounting for 42.6% of the entire year's budget.

Of that figure, only VND28.5 trillion would have gone to key infrastructure projects, meeting only 30% of the full-year target, Phuc said.

So far this year, Vietnam has spent $795 million of official foreign aid, just 41.8% of the year's budgeted amount. Phuc said this indicated slow implementation for many projects in the agriculture, irrigation, transportation and power sectors.

The State Bank of Vietnam, Tourism Authority and Electricity of Vietnam Corp. have each spent less than 10% of their 2007 budgets so far this year, Phuc added. 

The government's Web site: http://www.chinhphu.vn

-By Nguyen Pham Muoi, Hanoi Bureau, Dow Jones Newswires; 844-825-0732; phammuoi.nguyen at dowjones.com

-Edited by Marissa Chew

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Mon Jun 11 04:52:31 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:52:31 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] US IMPORTERS DELAY BUYING VIETNAM GARMENTS
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF41451@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

US IMPORTERS DELAY BUYING VIETNAM GARMENTS

Monday June 11, 2007, 1:47 pm
 


HANOI, June 11 Asia Pulse - Many US companies have postponed new contracts with Vietnamese textile and garment exporters until August, when the US Department of Commerce (DoC) will announce the results of its review of local exporters' trade commitments, according to the Vietnam Textile and Garment Association.

The DoC began monitoring imports of textile and apparel products after Vietnam joined the World Trade Organisation in January. ADVERTISEMENT
 
 

"The monitoring programme not only damages Vietnam's textile and garment sector but also causes loss to American customers," said the chairman of the Vietnam Textile and Garment Association, Le Quoc An.

The first announcement of the biannual review will be made in August and the next in March.

Vietnam's trade ministry has asked the US to consider removing the monitoring scheme, which was created to make sure that Vietnam was not dumping its textile products on overseas markets.

To reach the targeted exports of US$7.3 billion for 2007, Vietnam's apparel exports were set to grow by 27 per cent this year, the trade ministry says.

In the first five months of this year, exports increased by 24.3 per cent, an average $537 million per month. The Trade Ministry said at this rate the country's textile exports could reach $6.5 billion this year.

A Vinatex official said the US was the largest importer, accounting for 55 per cent of Vietnam's textile shipments, and that the US monitoring programme would prevent the sector from reaching its goal.

Diep Thanh Kiet, deputy chairman of the HCM City Knitting, Embroidery and Textile Association, said Vietnam accounted for a mere 3 per cent of the US's total apparel imports, and was not a threat to the US textile and garment industry.

Kiet said the average export unit price of Vietnamese-made products in 2006 was $2.96, much higher than the US's average import unit price of $1.79.

The average price of textiles from Mexico was $1.84 per sq.m; China $1.55 per sq.m; and Canada $1.02 per sq.m.

Kiet said Vietnam, which ranks 8th in textile and garments exports to the US, was subject to the programme while other larger exporters were not.

(VNA)

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Mon Jun 11 04:54:26 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:54:26 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Chunghwa Telecom evaluating investment in Vietnam
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF41452@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Chunghwa Telecom evaluating investment in Vietnam 
 
 
Kaddy Chung, Taipei; 
Adam Hwang, DIGITIMES [Monday 11 June 2007] 


Chunghwa Telecom (CHT) has geared up evaluations to determine the the feasibility of investments to develop industrial parks in Vietnam through a joint venture with Yang Ming Marine Transport, the largest Taiwan-based shipping company, according to CHT company chairman Tan Hochen at a talk with media on June 9.

CHT has sent a task force to Vietnam for the evaluation, the company indicated.

In addition to Vietnam, CHT is considering investment in China through cooperation with local telecoms carriers to provide value-added services mainly for Taiwan-based enterprises operating there, Hochen noted.

Hochen also revealed that in the second half of 2007 CHT will undertake three large procurement projects through open bidding; NGN (next-generation network) core equipment worth about NT$1.7 billion (US$51.6 million), 300,000 VDSL (very high rate DSL)-2 units for use in FTTB (fiber to the building) connections at an estimated total value of NT$1 billion and 150,000 STBs (set-top boxes) for use in its MOD (multimedia on demand) platform).

 
 

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Mon Jun 11 04:56:58 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:56:58 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Vietnam's furniture exporters running out of wood
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF41453@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Vietnam's furniture exporters running out of wood  
Posted : Mon, 11 Jun 2007 06:02:00GMT 
Author : DPA  
EarthTimes.org
Environment News 
 
 
 
Hanoi - Vietnam's wood furniture exports are rising so fast that manufacturers are having a hard time finding enough wood to meet demand, a government official said Monday. The country's wood furniture exports have risen from 219 million dollars in 2000 to 1.9 billion dollars last year. This year, the government projects a further rise to 2.5 billion dollars. In 2006, Vietnam moved past Indonesia and Thailand to become the second-largest exporter in South-East Asia, behind only Malaysia. 

But the industry has long since outstripped the ability of Vietnam's forests to supply it with raw materials, said Doan Xuan Hoa, deputy director of the Forestry Product Processing Department in Vietnam's Agriculture Ministry. 

"Currently, the wood-processing industry must import up to 80 per cent of the materials needed for its production," Hoa said. "The industry may have difficulty developing in the future without securing domestic timber supplies as many countries are reducing their timber exports."

With exports of sawn lumber from countries in the region like Indonesia and Malaysia dropping, Vietnamese manufacturers have been forced to turn farther afield. In 2006, Vietnam became a major importer of timber from Brazil. 

At a conference on sustainable forest industry development held Friday in Ho Chi Minh City, government officials and private forestry experts said Vietnam would need to invest heavily in developing its domestic forests if it expects to meet its ambitious targets for further growth in the wood furniture industry. 

The government foresees wood furniture exports more than doubling by 2010 to more than 5.5 billion dollars. It wants to invest in reforestation projects to ensure that by 2020, 80 per cent of Vietnamese production comes from domestic sources. 

Such a change could dramatically improve Vietnam's balance of trade. In 2006, the country imported 1 billion dollars of timber. 

But most manufacturers in Vietnam are too small to undertake reforestation projects of their own. Bui Xuan Khu, deputy industry minister, told the conference that few Vietnamese manufacturers own more than 100 hectares of forest. 

The Agriculture Ministry's Hoa said that shifting to domestic wood supplies remained a long-term project. 

"Growing forests will take a long time, between 10 and 20 years," Hoa said. "For now, we must import timber and grow the forests at the same time." 

Copyright ? 2007  
 

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Mon Jun 11 04:59:21 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:59:21 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Opportunities in Vietnam Tourism Industry (2007-2009)
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF41454@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Source: Research and Markets 


New Report Forecasts that Per Head Tourist Expenditure in Vietnam Will Reach US$ 976.26 by 2011
Sunday June 10, 11:30 pm ET 


DUBLIN, Ireland--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Research and Markets (http://www.researchandmarkets.com/reports/c59254) has announced the addition of Opportunities in Vietnam Tourism Industry (2007-2009) to their offering.
 
This report on "Opportunities in Vietnam Tourism Industry (2007-2009)" provides an in-depth analysis of the present as well as future prospects of the Vietnam tourism industry. It looks into the Vietnam tourism industry in detail with focus on different tourism parameters: Inbound Tourism, Outbound tourism, Expenditure by Inbound tourist, accommodation facilities, and transportation facilities. This report helps clients to analyze the opportunities and factors critical to the success of tourism industry in Vietnam.

Key Findings

- The major share of the inbound tourists to Vietnam comes from China, South Korea, US, and Japan. Apart from receiving large tourist base from these countries, Vietnam should also benefit from Russia - a potential region for more tourist influx - during the review period (2007-2011).

- It is also expected that per head tourist expenditure will reach US$ 976.26 by 2011.

- Vietnamese per head disposable income will likely increase at a CAGR value of 5.88% for the period spanning 2007-2011. This will definitely open the opportunities for the outbound tourism and domestic tourism.

- Percentage of population aged 15-64 years is expected to increase to 68.8% of the total population by 2011 and because an average Vietnamese prefers nearby countries for leisure. This will also bring opportunities for the outbound as well as domestic tourism.

Key Issues and Facts Analyzed

- How is the performance of Global tourism, Asia-Pacific tourism and ASEAN tourism Industry?

- What is the position of Vietnam tourism industry with respect to the ASEAN tourism industry?

- What are the emerging trends in the Tourism sector in Vietnam?

- What is the future Outlook of the Tourism industry in Vietnam in terms of Inbound Tourism, Outbound tourism, Domestic tourism, and expenditure by inbound tourist?

- What are the Key driving forces in the Vietnam tourism industry?

- What opportunities exist before the Tourism industry in Vietnam?

- What are the challenges faced by the industry?

- Who are the major players in the Vietnam tourism industry?

- How is the market affected by other factors prevailing in the economy?

Key Players Analyzed

This section covers the key facts about players currently operating in the Vietnam tourism industry including Vietnam Airlines, Korean Air Lines Co. Ltd, Air France-KLM Group, Aeroflot Russian Airlines JSC, Furama Danang Resort & Spa, Sol Melia, and Accor Hotel Group.

Research Methodology Used

Information Sources

Information has been gathered from various sources namely, books, newspapers, trade journals, and white papers, industry portals, government agencies, trade associations, monitoring industry news and developments, and through access to access to more than 3000 paid databases.

Analysis Methods

The analysis methods include the following: Ratio Analysis, Historical Trend Analysis, Linear Regression Analysis using software tools, Judgmental Forecasting and Cause and Effect Analysis.

Companies Mentioned:

- Vietnam Airlines

- Korean Air Lines Co., Ltd.

- Air France-KLM Group

- Aeroflot Russian Airlines JSC

- Furama Danang Resort & Spa

- Sol Melia

- Accor Hotel Group

For more information visit http://www.researchandmarkets.com/reports/c59254



Contact:
Research and Markets
Laura Wood
Senior Manager
Fax: +353 1 4100 980
press at researchandmarkets.com

From cstevenson2000 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 09:01:19 2007
From: cstevenson2000 at gmail.com (Craig Stevenson)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:01:19 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Vietnam's furniture exporters running out of wood
In-Reply-To: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF41453@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>
References: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF41453@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>
Message-ID: <a77371e30706110901k430b4055qf6682ebd5001a400@mail.gmail.com>

Hi:

If any out there are in need of wood, let me know quickly as I will be
returning abroad. I know a man with, as he says 500 years of wood.  He only
takes 50,000 bf a year (no more).  Nice and old stuff.  Black Walnut, Old
White Oak, Cherry.

Funny, in the US many people make fun of New Jersey.  They see it as an
industrial wasteland from trips between New York City and the Newark
International Airport.  But, more than 50% of New Jersey is comprised of
trees and forests.

Craig




On 6/11/07, Phan, Tai <Tai.Phan at ed.gov> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> Vietnam's furniture exporters running out of wood
> Posted : Mon, 11 Jun 2007 06:02:00GMT
> Author : DPA
> EarthTimes.org
> Environment News
>
>
>
> Hanoi - Vietnam's wood furniture exports are rising so fast that
> manufacturers are having a hard time finding enough wood to meet demand, a
> government official said Monday. The country's wood furniture exports have
> risen from 219 million dollars in 2000 to 1.9 billion dollars last year.
> This year, the government projects a further rise to 2.5 billion dollars.
> In 2006, Vietnam moved past Indonesia and Thailand to become the
> second-largest exporter in South-East Asia, behind only Malaysia.
>
> But the industry has long since outstripped the ability of Vietnam's
> forests to supply it with raw materials, said Doan Xuan Hoa, deputy director
> of the Forestry Product Processing Department in Vietnam's Agriculture
> Ministry.
>
> "Currently, the wood-processing industry must import up to 80 per cent of
> the materials needed for its production," Hoa said. "The industry may have
> difficulty developing in the future without securing domestic timber
> supplies as many countries are reducing their timber exports."
>
> With exports of sawn lumber from countries in the region like Indonesia
> and Malaysia dropping, Vietnamese manufacturers have been forced to turn
> farther afield. In 2006, Vietnam became a major importer of timber from
> Brazil.
>
> At a conference on sustainable forest industry development held Friday in
> Ho Chi Minh City, government officials and private forestry experts said
> Vietnam would need to invest heavily in developing its domestic forests if
> it expects to meet its ambitious targets for further growth in the wood
> furniture industry.
>
> The government foresees wood furniture exports more than doubling by 2010
> to more than 5.5 billion dollars. It wants to invest in reforestation
> projects to ensure that by 2020, 80 per cent of Vietnamese production comes
> from domestic sources.
>
> Such a change could dramatically improve Vietnam's balance of trade. In
> 2006, the country imported 1 billion dollars of timber.
>
> But most manufacturers in Vietnam are too small to undertake reforestation
> projects of their own. Bui Xuan Khu, deputy industry minister, told the
> conference that few Vietnamese manufacturers own more than 100 hectares of
> forest.
>
> The Agriculture Ministry's Hoa said that shifting to domestic wood
> supplies remained a long-term project.
>
> "Growing forests will take a long time, between 10 and 20 years," Hoa
> said. "For now, we must import timber and grow the forests at the same
> time."
>
> Copyright (c) 2007
>
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 20:41:12 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:41:12 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Welcome anh Nguyen Xuan Long into VNBIZ
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50706112041g41d3d1e1v7e9e8151d6b55311@mail.gmail.com>

Dear CACC,

Please join to welcome brother Nguyen Xuan Long into our VNBIZ family.

Brother Long nxlong42 at yahoo.co.uk is a graduate student at Brown University,
Providence, Rhode Island www.brown.edu   Welcome in, brother. If you could
tell us what you are studying, that would be nice :-)  That is a good
school.

Please feel free to talk.  We are your brothers and sisters here.

Great day, brother Long & all.

Hoanh

<nxlong42 at yahoo.co.uk>
-- 
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Mon Jun 11 20:50:12 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:50:12 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Welcome chi Quach Thu Thuy into VNBIZ
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50706112050n53beebf7x313c37a614a1bda6@mail.gmail.com>

Dear CACC,

Please join to welcome chi Thu Thuy into our VNBIZ family.

Chi Thu Thuy qthuthuy at gmail.com has fisnihed PhD at University of Tokyo,
Japan, in 2006 and is currently in the US with her husband and baby.  Chi
Thuy said, " My friend has introduced about VNBIZ and forwarded me some of
your latest emails. They are very thoughtful. I'd love to join you."

Thank you, sister. Welcome in.  Glad to you like my messages.  I try the
best I can to share my thoughts and feelings with our brothers and sisters a
much as possible.  That's all.  Please feel free to share your heart and
mind with us.  Collective thinking, collective feeling, that is how we as a
nation and a family will go toward the future.  Please feel at home here in
VNBIZ, chi Thuy.

Great day, chi Thu Thuy and all.

Hoanh
-- 
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC
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From hdangthu at gmail.com  Tue Jun 12 06:38:35 2007
From: hdangthu at gmail.com (huong dang thu)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:38:35 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
In-Reply-To: <OF46C29FC3.54CA32B8-ON852572F3.00762B2F-852572F3.007A2ED0@mail.doc.gov>
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	<OF46C29FC3.54CA32B8-ON852572F3.00762B2F-852572F3.007A2ED0@mail.doc.gov>
Message-ID: <4badee940706120638m475fbb4ep913ef306f0fd130@mail.gmail.com>

Thankiu bro & sis :)



I keep reading your writings everyday. Just don't know how to say how great
they are! they open my mind, broaden my heart :) Plz keep chipping in, and
keep me learning from you.



For answering bro Phong's question about my trip. (Thax, bro, for your
question). Just so many things to learn, such a huge world! I will spend
some time to write everything down to share with bro & sis. But the most
important thing I've learned is: respect. I think if we the young people are
taught well, we will learn to treat others well, with kindness and respect.
Maybe, bro & sis out there sound this nothing special. But people in the
World Assembly with great respect and kindness do change my attitude toward
treating others. I learn how to listen to the others and respect their
different thinking and feelings.



wish my bro & sis a full world of true respect ^-^



HeO
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From hdangthu at gmail.com  Tue Jun 12 06:54:49 2007
From: hdangthu at gmail.com (huong dang thu)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:54:49 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- Knowledge in Human Affairs (used to be
	"Nha Trang Bay")
In-Reply-To: <fe5aabf50706082018x7cca1ea5ld9d1d0dc7c051294@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fe5aabf50706082018x7cca1ea5ld9d1d0dc7c051294@mail.gmail.com>
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Thax so much, bro



I pretty like your message.



Just something makes me wonder: people talk about 'mu quang' (as I
understand, if we follow our heart only, we might be extreme then bring some
bad result). In my life, I usually try to listen and follow my true heart
telling. But when I think about this, I just feel confused about myself: am
I doing sth so extremely that may hurt the others?

I just don't do how to work well with heart and mind both?!



Anyway, bro. thax so much for your message about "what comes out of the
right heart will be right". With me, it makes me much stronger & wiser.



HeO
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From hdangthu at gmail.com  Tue Jun 12 07:08:08 2007
From: hdangthu at gmail.com (huong dang thu)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:08:08 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Many experiences, and when you really think about it,
	one story
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References: <a77371e30706092006s2375d4a9h5e1cb918f3d69b4@mail.gmail.com>
	<750384.58330.qm@web50904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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I've never known about such the stories.



Just many thanks & admiration for your sharing story!
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From hdangthu at gmail.com  Tue Jun 12 07:58:27 2007
From: hdangthu at gmail.com (huong dang thu)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:58:27 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Building the American-Vietnamese friendship and
	understanding
In-Reply-To: <ff5dbf0d0706110310g379647ddg5e052e34092aa91c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fe5aabf50706101148y18dcaf20ga29484c440ac4ccc@mail.gmail.com>
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oh! How happy I am to hear this idea.



I agree that American don't know Vietnam well. And I just want to add a
little more from another side, that the Vietnamese also don't know the
American well. In my school, teacher still strongly think that American is
an ugly and warlike people. And we shouldn't play with them. For being under
that thinking system, I almost completely rely on what teachers tell me
until my last trip to Scotland. Oh! I just don't know how ashamed I feel
when I know that people on the world don't spend time on criticizing the
others but they only want to make a fair corporation from which every
cooperators gain the most. And I've just not known that many American are
devoting their life to Vietnam's development.

So I strongly wish we have chance to communicate, to understand more about
each others. Believe me, many Vietnamese today misunderstand American
seriously.

Sis Huong's ideas are so interesting. I like most of them. Hope we can do
some.

I just want to share a little more. I have many friends (the Vietnamese)
study in US. And I know that there are a great number of Vietnamese students
studying in US. Many of them are the very patriot. Living over sea, many of
them really miss something related to "Vietnam" (like film, music,
food,...). And many of them visit home every summer time. My idea is
something like a 'house' for Vietnamese students in US meeting, talking,
showing up Vietnamese culture (exhibition for examples?). The 'house' opened
to everyone (welcome US students). They can make friend. And some US friends
who interest in VN may love to visit Vietnam. So why don't US friends make a
trip to VN in the summer time? They have the best guider to Vietnam, their
Vietnamese friends, right? ;)



Just my think and hope,

Best,

HeO
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From huongluongdc at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 12 08:02:45 2007
From: huongluongdc at yahoo.com (huong luong)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:02:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vnbiz] Building the American-Vietnamese friendship and
	understanding
In-Reply-To: <a77371e30706101954i70091d7eo167f963e4ed5a7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <797815.30948.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Craig,
   
  I am glad to hear that you think my idea might work. I would love to talk with you more about establishing an exchange program for American students to go to Vietnam for language study, visit, field trips and internship.  I am really passionate about this two years ago, but was too busy with school.  And I need supports from CACC in Vietnam to help me with setting up a host family program, internship oppotunities there.

  I know it is more difficult to bring Vietnamese students to the U.S....so we will bring Americans to Vietnam to enhancing understanding and friendship, and of course alot of potential opportunity in the future. If we can't come to America, then we will bring America to us :))
   
  Vietnam is becoming a "hot" topic in many universities, then students become more concerned about the country and are interested to have a chance to go there and experience first hand after reading tons of books, listening stories about the war.
   
  I am based in DC, so I might ask the embassy to help in organizing programs with relevent organizations (cultural, education exchange) in Vietnam or assisting with visa process. Or it would be great if CACC on this forum to cooperate with us from VN. And I will try to work on exchange program for Vietnamese students to the U.S, but I guess it will be much more difficult, but does not mean impossible.  
   
  hugs,
  Huong
  my personal email: huongluongdc at yahoo.com for further contact on this project.
   
  
Craig Stevenson <cstevenson2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
  [ Vietnam Business Forum ]

Huong and ALL,

I agree with much of your sentiment toward many of the points you raise regarding US media, attitudes toward voting,  and knowledge of  world affairs. For the US in the present era, similar to Vietnam and everywhere else throughout the world, education is paramount.  Deriving one's knowledge and perspective from national, essentially popular news outlets, is simply a waste of time.  Far better outlets exist; web, think tank, professional and academic journals, panels and conference round-tables. With such an explosion of knowledge in humanities education, there are millions upon millions of more discerning consumers of information for a very wide range of disciplines in the US. Yet, normally, Americans are essentially focused on things more parochial; those things directly related to each their individual lives. As to domestic politics too seriously, I would think that most consider it only superficially. Yet, the fact remains that there are millions upon millions of those
 learned and dedicated to whatever their goal(s) might be in respect to their political beliefs. Which reminds that there are millions upon millions, perhaps billions, or all, who take some belief seriously, and as humans, often too seriously.  

I really liked your ideas Huong related to younger Americans, Universities, Exchanges, etc... I have always been an advocate of letting people 26 and under to know that there are a tremendous amount of opportunity available for exchanges and such. But few Americans ever take advantage of these opportunities.  I would be interested in participating in an effort to catalog such opportunities.  Further to work on strategies for marketing to college students and professional associations.  Would love to brainstorm.  Open source open courseware could be used to facilitate team interaction, members from wherever they may be assuming others are interested (hopefully).  

We could catalog programs/initiatives that involve VN or US citizen opportunities.  We could contact local rotaries and request they sponsor for exchanges with identified organizations in Vietnam.  Really so many other things.  I will offer more ideas later as at present I have many things to do. 

Cheers,

Craig





  On 6/10/07, huong luong <huongluongdc at yahoo.com> wrote:     [ Vietnam Business Forum ]



  Anh Hoanh,
  Great idea.  This is completely my personal experience. I don't meet many Americans who hate me...I met some Vietnamese-Americans here who seem to be more sensitive to me more than Americans and I can understand the reason well enough for not feeling bad about it.  
   
  Americans appear to be ignorant rather than hateful people in my opinion. Vietnam is not the only country ignored by the American public. Why? look at the content covered by media here: they talk entire day about Paris Hilton or Anna Smith, but less than 30' of news around the world (I am not sure about other paid channels, but I do have basic channels like CNN, MSNBC...the best is BBC, 30's ABC world news with Charlie Gibson).  I feel I get more news about the world in VN rather than in the US even VN is known for media control and sensorship.  U.S free press in wrapped up in domestic issues or international issues that relate directly to domestic politics. The entertainment industry here is too big that they can produce enough domestic program for their audience.  They don't have time to show other countries to their people and audience (oh, maybe travel channel). However, domestic politics play a big part in American lifestyle b/c they take their voting right "too"
 seriously. That's why nothing else matters. And media will broadcast what its people want to hear. 
   
  I like the idea of working/volunteering with NGOs (association of doctors, EL teaching...) to bring more Americans to VN to help...I support the Peace Corp (but not approved yet for political reasons), alumni networks, 
   
  I don' have a big idea to contribute...but I humbly ask CACC on this forum who are executives, business managers in different sectors to consider if we can coordinate with universities in the US to bring their students to VN for internships, field trips (with our assisance in the U.S)... I met a lot of students at SAIS and asked them why they chose SEA studies or China studies..simply the decision comes from their first experience overseas.  If more students hear about VN, they will be interested in the country and the region. 
  If CACC have intership opportunities in VN, please let me or CACC like anh Hoanh and others here know, we can post in university websites, I am sure american students will be interested in going to VN as  adventures. 
   
  EL teaching mission in VN might be helpful.  We can advertise in universities that we need EL teachers in VN during summer breaks, winter breaks with hosting family programs.  
   
  I also like the programs of the OPERATION Smile in VN by bringing volunteering doctors/dentists to VN to treat children. This kind of activities enhance the mutual understanding/ love of both sides.  I met some doctors and talked with them...it turned out many of them frustrated for not being picked by Operation Smile to go to VN even they are willing to pay for the trip and pay fees if required. I start thinking if we can promote this kind of activities b/t two countries...it would be great. 
   
  and last but not least, TOURISM, tourism and tourism....i personally advocate VN tourism with not only Vietnamese-American here, but with any American I run into on streets, in restaurants...as soon as they know I am from VN. And of course, I used many friends of mine as "not-so-volunteering" guides when they are there :)) 
   
  Any other ideas?
  Huong
  

Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com > wrote:
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