[Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?

[Tran Dinh Hoanh]

Dear Brother Thien,

That is a very good point and you are so correct,  but that is another study
subject altogether.   That is not the study of leadership as "the art of
leadership."  That is sociology, or some kind study of group behavior.  Each
group of people has its own kind of leader.  If you have a gang of robbers,
their leader is not going to be a monk  (unless he is a robber monk :-)  If
you have a group of warriors, their leaders is likely to be a warrior.

THe study of a group behavior and group culture in forming its leader is a
part of sociology, or group psychology, or anthropology, but not the art of
leadership to train someone to be a leader (although a leader should be
aware of it as a part of his knowledge).

Great day, brother Thien and all.

Hoanh


On 7/22/07, Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com> wrote:
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>  Dear anh Hoanh,
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> I don't want this is your conclusion for the topic of leadership. We have
> some more to debate.
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> I totally agree your point of that "you are a leader of someone". Yes,
> leader of someone and some where. Then I am also member of some one and at
> somewhere in sometime and etc. People have many social roles. One of those
> roles is leader and other is member.
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> I also want to add to your topic another approach. It seems that you focus
> on the will of individual. We understand that everybody may have their will
> to change their circumstance. But the circumstance is belonged to other
> people. We need collaboration. Then we may say that group change comes from
> the will of someone but by everyone and for everyone.
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> The approach that I want to say is dialectic. We should view leadership in
> dialectic method. Everything need to be study in at least 2 sides. Therefore
> we need to talk about leader and his member. Sorry for using male gender in
> this point. It's just a habit. I don't have any discrimination in male or
> female leaders.
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> The success of his leadership is from both, from his will and from the
> collaboration. We cannot say that leadership includes the ability of
> building collaboration as we call integrate. I believe that many
> misunderstand at this point. They assume that the success of some historic
> leaders were because they knew how to serve the needs of their people. I
> don't believe the point.
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> Look back the story of Luu Bang and Hang Vo in Han So Tranh Hung and other
> famous leaders of Chinese history. The destination goals might be their
> kingdom. But to achieve the last goal, no one could set up their action plan
> at first.They built up their plan from chapter to chapter.The new plan was
> always the integration of many social resources like human resource, current
> situation and etc. Especially when their works were at beginning time. We
> can see that the historic leader just had some simple ideas. The great ideas
> were built up by him and his friends. Thus, collaboration was the main power
> to set up his kingdom.
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> In some cases, the historic leaders like Luu Bi in Tam Quoc Chi didn't
> have strong power neither military talent. But he was from the king family.
> His family blood built up his position. Then with his normal mind, he could
> collaborate others and create his kingdom.
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> I think some social values as Confucious standards such as nhan le nghia
> tri tin are not very important and very serious. Like Bill Clington, leaders
> should not be very clean and should not be very dirty, should not be very
> smart and not be very stupid. This point can prove that competent is very
> important in leadership. but it doesn't mean that without competent we
> cannot have leaders.
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> I believe that creating culture in group is very important for leadership.
> Cultural environment can create neccessary condition for leading function.
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> I think we should not focus too much on the role of leader in leadership
> issue. By dialectic method, we should study the role of members in group and
> the interaction between leader and members, between member and members and
> between group circumstance and surrounding environment.
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> Happy new weekday
> Tran Ba Thien
> tranbathien at gmail.com
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> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
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