[Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?

Mon Jul 16 22:19:23 PDT 2007

Dear CACC,

Like sis Lien, I want to add one more: SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY.

A great day to all,
Dieu Anh

On 7/17/07, Bui Bich Lien <lien.bb at gmail.com> wrote:
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> All the lists that CACC have submitted are great.
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> If I come up with my list, I'm sure it will either be repetitive or
> overlapped.  Just wanna add one more quality that I expect from my
> leader(s), which is
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> INTEGRITY
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> *From:* vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com [mailto:
> vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig Stevenson
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 12:07 PM
> *To:* vnbiz at vietlinks.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your
> leader?
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> To answer the original question, traits of the (one) leader I have in
> mind:
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>    1. great concern for his followers
>    2. willing to make the hard decisions
>    3. open, communicative, and energetic
>    4. includes the concerns/needs of others in his/her decision-making
>    process
>    5. Inspiring
>    6. dedicated
>    7. honest
>    8. hard-working
>    9. serves as a role model
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>  I listed these as they came to mind, not sure how to prioritize them or
> if I should, perhaps they are prioritized.  Perhaps they are intertwined and
> couldn't be separated fully, either to answer the question, or for the
> purposes of scientific study.
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> Craig
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> On 7/14/07, *AD Marshall* <admarshall at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thien oi,
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> Your comments on group (or "community"?) development and maintenance
> (BeLow) are indeed intriguing, to say the least, especially your concluding
> comment that, "I [ie, you] must be the one who takes the final decision".
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> Thanks indeed for yet again dispelling any notion i might have again
> entertained that living here might be becoming monotonous or even
> predictable.
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> Admittedly i must wonder if i'm witnessing or experiencing some sort of
> communications disconnect or not.  But assuming "not", i would then wonder
> at what sorts of correlations might be found between your comments and the
> incessant lament i've heard from people here who source Vietnamese software
> programmers for overseas work, ie, that Vietnamese programmers are
> remarkably team-work challenged.
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> With warm wishes,
> AD Marshall
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> On 7/15/07, *Tran Ba Thien* <tranbathien at gmail.com > wrote:
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> Dear anh Hoanh and CACC,
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> First I am not very cynical on against the current social system of
> Vietnam.I feel ok with this circumstance and condition. It meets my needs
> and my values of democracy and values of development. No, I never agree the
> system totally. but I encounter not many problems to complain.
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> In the role of a leader, what do I need to do for me and for my members?
> It's very interesting question.
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> -First I need to achieve the goal of my group as effective as possible.
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> -Then I need to set up friendship environment in our group. I may name the
> activity as building up group culture. I need to respect my member's idea,
> their values and their hopes. I need to litsen to them and protect their
> reputation their interests.
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> -Every member and I need to understand that the success of our group is
> from all not from some specific persons.
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> -The group must give opportunities of developing to every member in
> equally and fairly.
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> I must be the one who takes the final decision
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> If I cannot apply one of the above indicators, I must resign.
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> best regards,
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> Tran Ba Thien
> tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien@gmail.com>
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>  ----- Original Message -----
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> *From:* Tran Dinh Hoanh<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tdhoanh@gmail.com>
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> *To:* vnbiz at vietlinks.net<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=vnbiz@vietlinks.net>
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> *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:45 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your
> leader?
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> Dear brother Thien & CACC,
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> Thanks for the frank and emotional response, anh Thien.  And thanks for
> your frankness and courage.  Frankness and courage are very rare commodity
> anywhere in the world.
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> Of course, I understand exactly what you are talking about. If there is
> any consolation, I have never been able to choose anyone I really like
> either.  When I was in Vietnam, of course, we had no choice.  In the US, I
> often did the task of choosing the least bad guy among the bad guys.  Hard
> to find good leaders.  That is just the nature of life.
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> The issues you raise are not simple matters.  As you say, we cannot give
> the 3-yr-old kid the 7-yr-old-kid clothing.  Democracy is a process, in
> which economic and social development as well as the human relationship
> among the citizens play a major role.  Indeed, I think democracy is not a
> destination, but a journey.
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> These all are matters close to my heart.  But we will develop this thread
> about democracy, choosing leaders and citizen responsibilities in the
> future, so that we don't confuse our current discussion:  What is your own
> idea of leadership?
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> So brother Thien, assuming that you don't really care about other leaders
> because you have no right to really choose the leaders you like and
> everything is imposed from above, I agree with you absolutely and I am
> sympathetic with you.  So let me switch the angle a little and ask you this
> question:  You must be the leader of someone, be that your younger brother
> or sister, your children, your students, or someone you have been
> mentoring.  In such capacity as that person's leader, what do you think you
> need in order to to fulfill your job?
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> I don't care about other guys.  I care about you.  What your idea of
> leadership is?  What do you demand of yourself as a leader of someone?
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> Have a great day!
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> Hoanh
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> On 7/13/07, *Tran Ba Thien* < tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
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> Dear anh Hoanh,
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> for the question of yours, I tell you my truth. That's what I really
> performed in every election in Vietnam.
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> I have no choice, nothing at all. My family members and I used to meet
> together then asked who might have time to go voting. Then we selected
> someone. The person would take our voter card to go to the voting place. The
> person would have no choice at all. He/she deleted some candidates
> accidentally then voted.
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> It's not my joke story. But It's my real. Sometime, I don't care the
> percentage of who have real choice and who have no choice in election. A few
> months ago, in the voting day for congress election, my friend was very
> busy. No one of his family could go voting. then his "to truong dan pho"
> came and asked his family gave him their voter cards. He did voting for
> them.
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> Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the truth.
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> In my real life, I really don't have opportunity to choose and to vote my
> leader. The position is set up from above. But if you want to know my
> knowledge about how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many things. All of
> them come from my theory, my dream and nothing from my real. You might be
> surprised. I can understand your reaction. For me, my choice is not to
> select how to perform my democracy but what I can gain from this type of
> democracy. I feel ok. This type of society can give me enough opportunity to
> get paid, to get food and that's all.
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> In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very simple. When the boy is 3
> year you just give him 3-year clothes. When he is 10 you need to give him
> 10-year clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a 10-year clothes because
> it cannot meet his needs. Then the type of democracy is the same. I think we
> have talked about definition of democracy many times. In this issues, I
> don't want to talk about democracy but leadership. I have no choice in
> electing. Then I cannot give you a correct answer. I am very serious. I
> understand my answer doesn't meet your question correctly. But according to
> your words, I try to give my best.
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> best regards,
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> Tran Ba Thien
> tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien@gmail.com>
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> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
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