[Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
Bui Bich Lien
lien.bb at gmail.com
Mon Jul 16 20:37:59 PDT 2007
All the lists that CACC have submitted are great.
If I come up with my list, I'm sure it will either be repetitive or
overlapped. Just wanna add one more quality that I expect from my
leader(s), which is
INTEGRITY
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From: vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com [mailto:vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com]
On Behalf Of Craig Stevenson
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 12:07 PM
To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net
Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
To answer the original question, traits of the (one) leader I have in mind:
1. great concern for his followers
2. willing to make the hard decisions
3. open, communicative, and energetic
4. includes the concerns/needs of others in his/her decision-making
process
5. Inspiring
6. dedicated
7. honest
8. hard-working
9. serves as a role model
I listed these as they came to mind, not sure how to prioritize them or if I
should, perhaps they are prioritized. Perhaps they are intertwined and
couldn't be separated fully, either to answer the question, or for the
purposes of scientific study.
Craig
On 7/14/07, AD Marshall <admarshall at gmail.com> wrote:
[ Vietnam Business Forum ]
Thien oi,
Your comments on group (or "community"?) development and maintenance (BeLow)
are indeed intriguing, to say the least, especially your concluding comment
that, "I [ie, you] must be the one who takes the final decision".
Thanks indeed for yet again dispelling any notion i might have again
entertained that living here might be becoming monotonous or even
predictable.
Admittedly i must wonder if i'm witnessing or experiencing some sort of
communications disconnect or not. But assuming "not", i would then wonder
at what sorts of correlations might be found between your comments and the
incessant lament i've heard from people here who source Vietnamese software
programmers for overseas work, ie, that Vietnamese programmers are
remarkably team-work challenged.
With warm wishes,
AD Marshall
On 7/15/07, Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com > wrote:
[ Vietnam Business Forum ]
Dear anh Hoanh and CACC,
First I am not very cynical on against the current social system of
Vietnam.I feel ok with this circumstance and condition. It meets my needs
and my values of democracy and values of development. No, I never agree the
system totally. but I encounter not many problems to complain.
In the role of a leader, what do I need to do for me and for my members?
It's very interesting question.
-First I need to achieve the goal of my group as effective as possible.
-Then I need to set up friendship environment in our group. I may name the
activity as building up group culture. I need to respect my member's idea,
their values and their hopes. I need to litsen to them and protect their
reputation their interests.
-Every member and I need to understand that the success of our group is from
all not from some specific persons.
-The group must give opportunities of developing to every member in equally
and fairly.
I must be the one who takes the final decision
If I cannot apply one of the above indicators, I must resign.
best regards,
Tran Ba Thien
tranbathien at gmail.com
<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien@gmail.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Tran Dinh Hoanh
<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tdhoanh@gmail.com>
To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net
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Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
[ Vietnam Business Forum ]
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Dear brother Thien & CACC,
Thanks for the frank and emotional response, anh Thien. And thanks for your
frankness and courage. Frankness and courage are very rare commodity
anywhere in the world.
Of course, I understand exactly what you are talking about. If there is any
consolation, I have never been able to choose anyone I really like either.
When I was in Vietnam, of course, we had no choice. In the US, I often did
the task of choosing the least bad guy among the bad guys. Hard to find
good leaders. That is just the nature of life.
The issues you raise are not simple matters. As you say, we cannot give the
3-yr-old kid the 7-yr-old-kid clothing. Democracy is a process, in which
economic and social development as well as the human relationship among the
citizens play a major role. Indeed, I think democracy is not a destination,
but a journey.
These all are matters close to my heart. But we will develop this thread
about democracy, choosing leaders and citizen responsibilities in the
future, so that we don't confuse our current discussion: What is your own
idea of leadership?
So brother Thien, assuming that you don't really care about other leaders
because you have no right to really choose the leaders you like and
everything is imposed from above, I agree with you absolutely and I am
sympathetic with you. So let me switch the angle a little and ask you this
question: You must be the leader of someone, be that your younger brother
or sister, your children, your students, or someone you have been mentoring.
In such capacity as that person's leader, what do you think you need in
order to to fulfill your job?
I don't care about other guys. I care about you. What your idea of
leadership is? What do you demand of yourself as a leader of someone?
Have a great day!
Hoanh
On 7/13/07, Tran Ba Thien < tranbathien at gmail.com
<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien@gmail.com> >
wrote:
[ Vietnam Business Forum ]
Dear anh Hoanh,
for the question of yours, I tell you my truth. That's what I really
performed in every election in Vietnam.
I have no choice, nothing at all. My family members and I used to meet
together then asked who might have time to go voting. Then we selected
someone. The person would take our voter card to go to the voting place. The
person would have no choice at all. He/she deleted some candidates
accidentally then voted.
It's not my joke story. But It's my real. Sometime, I don't care the
percentage of who have real choice and who have no choice in election. A few
months ago, in the voting day for congress election, my friend was very
busy. No one of his family could go voting. then his "to truong dan pho"
came and asked his family gave him their voter cards. He did voting for
them.
Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the truth.
In my real life, I really don't have opportunity to choose and to vote my
leader. The position is set up from above. But if you want to know my
knowledge about how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many things. All of
them come from my theory, my dream and nothing from my real. You might be
surprised. I can understand your reaction. For me, my choice is not to
select how to perform my democracy but what I can gain from this type of
democracy. I feel ok. This type of society can give me enough opportunity to
get paid, to get food and that's all.
In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very simple. When the boy is 3 year
you just give him 3-year clothes. When he is 10 you need to give him 10-year
clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a 10-year clothes because it
cannot meet his needs. Then the type of democracy is the same. I think we
have talked about definition of democracy many times. In this issues, I
don't want to talk about democracy but leadership. I have no choice in
electing. Then I cannot give you a correct answer. I am very serious. I
understand my answer doesn't meet your question correctly. But according to
your words, I try to give my best.
best regards,
Tran Ba Thien
tranbathien at gmail.com
<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien@gmail.com>
--
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC
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