[Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?

Sat Jul 14 22:09:53 PDT 2007

Hoanh:

I enjoyed your clothing example for discussion of systems.

Not having a child, I am not sure if this is done, but as I am the practical
sort, and believe in economy/frugality in all aspects of life, might not we
want to buy at least 4 year old clothes for our children to give them
something to grow into.

Craig

On 7/15/07, Craig Stevenson <cstevenson2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> To answer the original question, traits of the (one) leader I have in
> mind:
>
>
>    1. great concern for his followers
>    2. willing to make the hard decisions
>    3. open, communicative, and energetic
>    4. includes the concerns/needs of others in his/her decision-making
>    process
>    5. Inspiring
>    6. dedicated
>    7. honest
>    8. hard-working
>    9. serves as a role model
>
> I listed these as they came to mind, not sure how to prioritize them or if
> I should, perhaps they are prioritized.  Perhaps they are intertwined and
> couldn't be separated fully, either to answer the question, or for the
> purposes of scientific study.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On 7/14/07, AD Marshall <admarshall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> > Thien oi,
> >
> > Your comments on group (or "community"?) development and maintenance
> > (BeLow) are indeed intriguing, to say the least, especially your concluding
> > comment that, "I [ie, you] must be the one who takes the final decision".
> >
> > Thanks indeed for yet again dispelling any notion i might have again
> > entertained that living here might be becoming monotonous or even
> > predictable.
> >
> > Admittedly i must wonder if i'm witnessing or experiencing some sort of
> > communications disconnect or not.  But assuming "not", i would then wonder
> > at what sorts of correlations might be found between your comments and the
> > incessant lament i've heard from people here who source Vietnamese software
> > programmers for overseas work, ie, that Vietnamese programmers are
> > remarkably team-work challenged.
> >
> > With warm wishes,
> > AD Marshall
> >
> > On 7/15/07, Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  Dear anh Hoanh and CACC,
> > >
> > > First I am not very cynical on against the current social system of
> > > Vietnam.I feel ok with this circumstance and condition. It meets my
> > > needs and my values of democracy and values of development. No, I never
> > > agree the system totally. but I encounter not many problems to complain.
> > >
> > > In the role of a leader, what do I need to do for me and for my
> > > members? It's very interesting question.
> > >
> > > -First I need to achieve the goal of my group as effective as
> > > possible.
> > > -Then I need to set up friendship environment in our group. I may name
> > > the activity as building up group culture. I need to respect my member's
> > > idea, their values and their hopes. I need to litsen to them and protect
> > > their reputation their interests.
> > >
> > > -Every member and I need to understand that the success of our group
> > > is from all not from some specific persons.
> > > -The group must give opportunities of developing to every member in
> > > equally and fairly.
> > >
> > > I must be the one who takes the final decision
> > >
> > > If I cannot apply one of the above indicators, I must resign.
> > >
> > > best regards,
> > > Tran Ba Thien
> > > tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > *From:* Tran Dinh Hoanh<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tdhoanh@gmail.com>
> > > *To:* vnbiz at vietlinks.net<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=vnbiz@vietlinks.net>
> > > *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:45 AM
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your
> > > leader?
> > >
> > >
> > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > >
> > >  ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Dear brother Thien & CACC,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the frank and emotional response, anh Thien.  And thanks
> > > for your frankness and courage.  Frankness and courage are very rare
> > > commodity anywhere in the world.
> > >
> > > Of course, I understand exactly what you are talking about. If there
> > > is any consolation, I have never been able to choose anyone I really like
> > > either.  When I was in Vietnam, of course, we had no choice.  In the US, I
> > > often did the task of choosing the least bad guy among the bad guys.  Hard
> > > to find good leaders.  That is just the nature of life.
> > >
> > > The issues you raise are not simple matters.  As you say, we cannot
> > > give the 3-yr-old kid the 7-yr-old-kid clothing.  Democracy is a process, in
> > > which economic and social development as well as the human relationship
> > > among the citizens play a major role.  Indeed, I think democracy is not a
> > > destination, but a journey.
> > >
> > > These all are matters close to my heart.  But we will develop this
> > > thread about democracy, choosing leaders and citizen responsibilities in the
> > > future, so that we don't confuse our current discussion:  What is your own
> > > idea of leadership?
> > >
> > > So brother Thien, assuming that you don't really care about other
> > > leaders because you have no right to really choose the leaders you like and
> > > everything is imposed from above, I agree with you absolutely and I am
> > > sympathetic with you.  So let me switch the angle a little and ask you this
> > > question:  You must be the leader of someone, be that your younger brother
> > > or sister, your children, your students, or someone you have been
> > > mentoring.  In such capacity as that person's leader, what do you think you
> > > need in order to to fulfill your job?
> > >
> > > I don't care about other guys.  I care about you.  What your idea of
> > > leadership is?  What do you demand of yourself as a leader of someone?
> > >
> > > Have a great day!
> > >
> > > Hoanh
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/13/07, Tran Ba Thien < tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien@gmail.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Dear anh Hoanh,
> > > >
> > > > for the question of yours, I tell you my truth. That's what I really
> > > > performed in every election in Vietnam.
> > > >
> > > > I have no choice, nothing at all. My family members and I used to
> > > > meet together then asked who might have time to go voting. Then we selected
> > > > someone. The person would take our voter card to go to the voting place. The
> > > > person would have no choice at all. He/she deleted some candidates
> > > > accidentally then voted.
> > > >
> > > > It's not my joke story. But It's my real. Sometime, I don't care the
> > > > percentage of who have real choice and who have no choice in election. A few
> > > > months ago, in the voting day for congress election, my friend was very
> > > > busy. No one of his family could go voting. then his "to truong dan pho"
> > > > came and asked his family gave him their voter cards. He did voting for
> > > > them.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the truth.
> > > >
> > > > In my real life, I really don't have opportunity to choose and to
> > > > vote my leader. The position is set up from above. But if you want to know
> > > > my knowledge about how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many things. All
> > > > of them come from my theory, my dream and nothing from my real. You might be
> > > > surprised. I can understand your reaction. For me, my choice is not to
> > > > select how to perform my democracy but what I can gain from this type of
> > > > democracy. I feel ok. This type of society can give me enough opportunity to
> > > > get paid, to get food and that's all.
> > > >
> > > > In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very simple. When the boy
> > > > is 3 year you just give him 3-year clothes. When he is 10 you need to give
> > > > him 10-year clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a 10-year clothes
> > > > because it cannot meet his needs. Then the type of democracy is the same. I
> > > > think we have talked about definition of democracy many times. In this
> > > > issues, I don't want to talk about democracy but leadership. I have no
> > > > choice in electing. Then I cannot give you a correct answer. I am very
> > > > serious. I understand my answer doesn't meet your question correctly. But
> > > > according to your words, I try to give my best.
> > > >
> > > > best regards,
> > > > Tran Ba Thien
> > > > tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien@gmail.com>
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> > > > Washington DC
> > > >
> > > >  ------------------------------
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