From vern.weitzel at gmail.com  Sun Jul  1 20:06:08 2007
From: vern.weitzel at gmail.com (Vern Weitzel)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:06:08 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Fwd: Globalization and Localizaton in CALL conference in
	Vietnam
Message-ID: <46886BA0.7090402@gmail.com>

Thank you Vang and Tom. Vern
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	GloCALL conference in Vietnam
Date: 	Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:56:43 +0900
From: 	Thomas N. Robb <trobb at cc.kyoto-su.ac.jp>
To: 	vern at coombs.anu.edu.au
CC: 	vang at hanu.vn

Dear Vern,

President Nguyen Xuan Vang of Hanoi University asked me to pass this
information on to you concerning the forthcoming GLoCALL (Globalization
and Localizaton in CALL) Confernece.  Despite the July 1 "deadline" we
will continue to accept proposals until July 7.  I hope that you can
attend.

Cheers,
   Tom Robb, Co-chair, GLoCALL

     Dear Colleagues,

     The deadline for GLoCALL presentation proposals is just around the
     corner -- July 1, 2007. See http://glocall.org
     for complete details.

     Time & Location
      November 2-4 GLoCALL - Hanoi
      November 5-7 GLoCALL - Ho Chi Minh CIty

     Plenary Speakers
      GU YueGuo, Beijing Foreign Studies University
      Deborah Healey, Oregon State University, U.S.A.
      Scott Windeatt, Newcastle University, U.K.

     State of the Art & Practical Presentations solicited!

      For those who plan to participate in both locations, you may repeat
     your presentation or give different ones. In fact, we do hope that you
     will considering doing more than one -- one on your current area of
     research and another to introduce some simple aspect of technology, be
     it how to use Excel for grading, making use of Powerpoint for language
     practice activities, or how to use your favorite web site in a
     creative way. Rest assured that the local participants will be eager
     to hear your ideas.

     Cheap lodging space limited. Register soon!

      Hanoi University will be making their Guest House facilities
     available to the first 40 participants who apply at an incredibly low
     price. The inexpensive hotels near the RETRAC site in Ho Chi Minh City
     have limited capacity, so make your reservations early if you would
     like to stay cheaply within walking distance to the conference site.
     You can register for the HANU Guest House and view other lodging
     information now on the http://glocall.org <http://glocall.org/> site.

     Making Time for Sightseeing

      For those who can attend in both locations, rest assured that there
     will be sufficient time to take in the local attractions. There is
     only an evening workshop scheduled on the first day in each location,
     so you may use those days for sightseeing if you don't want to help
     out with the workshops. Since there will be some repetition in the
     scheduling, this will also allow you some additional free time.

     We look forward to seeing many of you there in November!

     Collegially,
      Tom Robb. President, PacCALL
      Jeong-Bae Son, President, APACALL


-- 
               **Go for GLoCALL -- November 2-7, 2007 **
               **Hanoi & Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam**
                          **http://glocall.org**

Thomas N. Robb, Ph.D., Kyoto Sangyo University, Japan
trobb at cc.kyoto-su.ac.jp
http://www.kyoto-su.ac.jp/~trobb/index.html


From toanducpham at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 03:38:43 2007
From: toanducpham at gmail.com (ToanDucPham@GMail.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:38:43 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] =?utf-8?b?W3ZuYml6XTogQuG7k24gbsaw4bubYyBpbm94IFRvw6Bu?=
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Hi CACE,
If you are using a Toan My Water Tank, or planning to use one, please follow
the below link.
http://www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Doi-song/2007/07/3B9F7AD1/
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From ptram at ifc.org  Tue Jul  3 03:07:07 2007
From: ptram at ifc.org (Tram Thi Thuy Pham)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:07:07 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Job Opportunity -Consultants to Tourism Program
Message-ID: <OF81D1C5A7.47D38806-ON4725730D.00368B98-4725730D.0037955C@ifc.org>

Consultants to Tourism Program
The Mekong Private Sector Development Facility (MPDF) is a multi-donor 
funded initiative set up by the International Finance Corporation (IFC) in 
Cambodia, Lao PDR and Vietnam.  Our Tourism Program aims to support the 
growth and improve the sustainability of the tourism sector in Cambodia, 
Lao PDR and Vietnam. MPDF is now looking for additional tourism 
specialists to support the shaping and delivery of the tourism program in 
each country. This is envisaged as short-term consultancy input from a 
variety of tourism specialists with particular areas of expertise.

COMPONENTS OF WORK 
To work alongside and support the existing IFC-MPDF Tourism program team: 
To support the program work by providing input, advice and industry 
knowledge for a variety of program activities and projects across one or 
more country.
To assist with planning and conducting sector studies and diagnostics and 
scoping high impact projects for the program post 2007.
Liaising with tourism businesses and other stakeholders to promote sector 
growth within the region, typically by identifying and addressing key 
business constraints impacting the sector at national (and provincial) 
level, including policy and regulatory environment, supply-chain and 
competitiveness issues.

Qualifications and Experience Required
Suitable consultant/s must have:
An academic qualification in tourism and a minimum 5 years professional 
experience in the sector.
A well developed network of relevant tourism sector contacts
A proven track record of working with tourism industry stakeholders to 
deliver tangible results
Excellent understanding of the constraints faced by tourism businesses in 
the Mekong
Experience of working in one or more of the 3 countries. 
Desirable criteria include:
A strong background in destination marketing and promotion for the tourism 
industry
Good understanding of global good practices for the industry e.g. 
institutional frameworks, standards etc.
Experience of working with similar international NGOs and donor agencies
Candidates without a tourism delivery background need not apply.
Location AND TERMS
The assignments will be based out of one of the 3 country offices: (HCMC, 
Vientiane, Phnom Penh), with a primary focus on one country. The work will 
involve travel as necessary in and around the Mekong region.  Assignments 
are likely to be between 20-150 days, depending on skills and program 
needs.

Interested individuals should email or send a letter of interest (with day 
rates) and a comprehensive CV in English to the address below, by 12 July 
2007. 
Ms Pham Thuy Tram
IFC-MPDF, 3rd Floor Somerset Chancellor Court
21-23 Nguyen Thi Minh Khai St, D1
HCMC, Vietnam
Fax: +84 8823 5271
Email: ptram at ifc.org
All materials will be handled in the strictest confidence. Only 
short-listed candidates will be contacted for an interview.  No phone 
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From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Tue Jul  3 04:50:19 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:50:19 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Scientists find largest colony of rare monkeys in Vietnam
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF414FF@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

July 3, 2007, 2:46AM
Scientists find largest colony of rare monkeys in Vietnam


By MICHAEL CASEY
Associated Press 


BANGKOK, Thailand - The largest known population of rare, gray-shanked doucs has been discovered in a remote part of Vietnam, raising the prospect the endangered monkeys can be saved from extinction, scientists said Tuesday.

Considered one of the world's 25 most-endangered primates, the species has only been recorded in the five central Vietnamese provinces. Fewer than 1,000 individuals are believed to exist, and until now only one other population with more than 100 animals was known.

"This is an exciting and important discovery because of the large size of the population," Barney Long, a conservation biologist with the World Wide Fund for Nature's Vietnam program, said in a statement.

"It's very rare to discover a population of this size with such high numbers in a small area, especially for a species on the brink of extinction," he said. "This indicates that the population has not been impacted by hunting like all other known populations of the species."

Three surveys since 2005 by the WWF and Conservation International in Que Phuoc commune in Quang Nam province recorded at least 116 animals, with an estimated population of over 180 individuals. To date, only a small part of the area has been surveyed, meaning significantly more doucs may live in the adjacent forest, the agencies said.

"To put it into a human perspective, this discovery is like finding a new country with over 1 billion people in it," said Ben Rawson, a regional wildlife biologist for Conservation International's Indo-Burma Program. "We now have a much greater opportunity to overcome the very serious threats faced by this species and prevent its disappearance from our planet."

The gray-shanked douc, or Pygathrix cinerea, was first described in 1997. They are colobine monkeys with cream-and peach-colored faces and white around their mouths. Their backs, bellies and arms are gray, and their hands are black; they have tufts of gray on their heads and white whiskers and tails. They spend much of their time in tree tops, subsisting on fruit and leaves.

Like many primate species in Vietnam, their population has been devastated by hunting and to a lesser degree by habitat loss. A 2006 assessment by the World Conservation Union determined 65 percent of Vietnam's primate species and subspecies were endangered or critically endangered, making the country one of the highest global priorities for primate conservation.

Long said the WWF has done a feasibility study of the 133,434-acre area in Quang Nam Province, where the monkeys were found. It has recommended the area be turned into a species- and habitat-protected area that would, among other things, ban hunting and prevent forest from being converted into plantations.

"There are lots of important areas in the province and the government is weighing which ones they are going to protect," Long said of four areas up for protection.

"I obviously would like to see them to protect all four," he said. "But they have to weigh the benefits the province will get from biodiversity conservation against the things they would lose, such as potential logging revenue and things like this."

---

On the Net:

WWF's Greater Mekong Program: www.panda.org/greatermekong

Conservation International: http://www.conservation.org/xp/CIWEB

AP-WS-07-03-07 0300EDT

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Tue Jul  3 04:51:30 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:51:30 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Thai mall operator to expand in Vietnam
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF41500@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Thai mall operator to expand in Vietnam
By Anuchit Nguyen and Haslinda Amin 
Bloomberg NewsPublished: July 2, 2007


BANGKOK: Central Pattana, Thailand's biggest mall operator, plans to build three outlets in Vietnam and China, its first overseas expansion, to tap rising consumer spending in two of Asia's fastest-growing economies.

The developer will build malls in Hanoi and in Ho Chi Minh City, the chief financial officer, Naris Cheyklin, said in an interview. It will also build a mall in China, Naris said, without giving details on the size or location of the investment.

Central Pattana's first-quarter profit dipped 9 percent after the Bangkok-based company was forced to reduce rents at some of its 10 shopping malls in Thailand, where consumer confidence is at a five-year low after falling in 15 of the past 17 months.

"Expansion in Thailand will slow in future because of the saturation of the market, so we think we should find a place to grow," Naris said. Vietnam and China "are countries whose economies are growing very fast."

Central Pattana, controlled by the Chirathivat family, aims to double annual sales to 15 billion baht, or $434 million, in 2010 by building malls in the capital and provinces of Thailand. The company is spending about 18 billion baht on four Thai shopping malls by 2009. Naris did not say how much the company might spend in Vietnam.

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 "There is no doubt about the growth potential in Vietnam," said Chaiyatorn Sricharoen, an analyst at Bualuang Securities, which has a "hold" recommendation on Central Pattana shares. "For China, there are a lot of risks because of high competition."

The Chinese retail property market is oversupplied with poor-quality shopping centers, Morgan Parker, president of Asian operations at Taubman Centers, the U.S. operator of luxury malls that is developing property in Macao and South Korea, said June 21.

Central Pattana is also studying a plan to sell shares in a real estate investment trust to domestic investors, Naris said.

The funds raised in the sale would help finance construction of the company's new shopping malls in Thailand, said Naris.

The property trust may also be backed by some of the company's office buildings, he said.

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Tue Jul  3 04:53:39 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:53:39 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Laos dam sets high bar, but will others follow?
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF41501@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Laos dam sets high bar, but will others follow? 
By Darren Schuettler 
Sun Jul 1, 5:51 PM ET
 


NAKAI PLATEAU, Laos (Reuters) - Two years from completion, the Nam Theun 2 dam being carved out of a jungle-clad corner of Laos has already set a high standard for future hydroelectric projects in the power-hungry region. 

 
Now the question is will others follow its lead.

Stretching 200 km (125 miles) along the Nakai Plateau in mountainous central Laos, the $1.45-billion project encompasses one of the biggest efforts in Asia to mitigate the social and environmental effects of dam building.

The 1,070-megawatt dam is the centrepiece of the tiny, landlocked country's plan to become a 18,000 MW "battery" for its neighbors Thailand, China and Vietnam, and help pull the nation of 5.8 million people out of poverty.

The communist government says Nam Theun 2 (NT2) is a "code of excellence" for future projects, including nearly a dozen backed by a mix of mainly Asian and some Western investors, mostly from the private sector.

"Compliance to international norms and standards will be there no matter who is the constructor," chief government spokesman Yong Chanthalangsy told reporters at a conference last week near the dam, 280 km (175 miles) southeast of Vientiane.

In 2005, Laos approved a national policy on hydropower that called for "adapting and tailoring the principles developed under the NT2 project to the hydropower sector as a whole."

It requires environmental impact assessments, resettlement and social development plans for displaced people, consultations with affected communities, the publicizing of impact reports and, from 2007, third-party monitoring of all existing dam projects.

Carl Middleton, a campaigner for the International Rivers Network which opposed NT2 but now presses the dam builders and government to keep their promises, worries about Vientiane's commitment to its new policy.

"There is principle and there is practice," he said, noting that IRN's request to see environmental assessments of two other dams already under construction, including the Thai-backed Nam Ngum 2, was declined because they were "confidential documents."

"The indications are not good, but that's not to say in the future it will not be put in place. It's also the responsibility of investors and neighboring governments," he said.

Vietnam, which already relies on 40 percent hydropower, has sent a team to look at NT2. Other projects in Laos have sent observers too, but it's not clear if NT2 will be a blueprint.

"FISHBOWL PROJECT"

The mitigation measures and extensive oversight demanded by the World Bank, a major lender, for its backing of NT2 -- which has seen 50 monitoring visits by bank watchdogs, independent experts and advisers since 2005 -- sets it apart from dams elsewhere in Asia.

But the "fishbowl project," as some call NT2, has also fuelled a perception that World Bank safeguards are too burdensome and costly compared to financing from regional power companies or commercial banks with fewer strings attached.

"This is clearly an open debate at the moment," said Bernard Tribollet, chief executive of Nam Theun 2 Power Co Ltd.

"Many investors are saying of Nam Theun it's too much constraint for the investor," said the 25-year veteran of hydroelectric projects.

"You have to find the right balance. How to get the right balance between the private investor and public responsibility." 

Environmentalists say the wide bilateral donor and development bank support for NT2 and its role in opening up the industry to private sector companies means donors now have a wider obligation to ensure standards are kept. 

After its completion in 2009, NT2 is expected to provide Laos with $2 billion in revenue over the 25-year concession period, helping it to halve poverty levels and take itself off the U.N.'s list of least developed countries. 

But environmentalists worry that the dam's construction is moving faster than plans to help affected communities. 

BEST-LAID PLANS 

NT2 has promised new homes, schools and better healthcare for 6,200 people to be moved before the reservoir, expected to reach a maximum size of 450 sq km (175 sq miles), is flooded next year. 

Nearly two-thirds have moved already, the only holdouts a group of 14 families led by a matriarch in her 70s who has refused to leave the area north of the dam where her husband is buried. 

"We're taking a lot of steps to ensure their safety," resettlement field manager Mike Beauchamp said of plans to move their village to higher ground where they will get rice handouts, radios, access to boats and three development staff. 

The project has faced other unique challenges. 

Some 15,000 unexploded bombs, everything from cluster bombs to 500 pounders, had to be removed from the dam area which straddles the former Ho Chi Minh Trail used by communist forces and heavily bombed during the Vietnam War. 

Plans are also being drawn up to manage 4,000 sq km (1,550 sq miles) of forest which abuts the dam and is home to 150 elephants, rare turtles and snakes. 

Last week's conference highlighted a shortage of lumber for new housing, compensation foul-ups and uncertainty about programs to replace lost livelihoods for thousands of villagers displaced by the dam or affected downstream. 

Dam officials insisted the problems were being fixed. 

"Yes, there are difficulties. It is normal, but we have identified them and are addressing them," Tribollet said. 

Central to NT2's plan is an ambitious goal to double the monthly incomes of 1,216 affected families to $820 by 2009. Independent experts say the target will be missed unless livelihood programs were speeded up. 

In Boua Ma, a new village dotted with half-built wooden houses on concrete stilts nestled on the edge of the reservoir, headman Ontha Ketkaysome said the 75 families were happy with their new home. 

"Life is better. We have a new road and we have electricity," he said as workers hammered nails into the wooden planks of a new house.

From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Tue Jul  3 11:26:58 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:26:58 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Higher Ed presentation by Vietnam MoET
In-Reply-To: <791036.2317.qm@web63409.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <791036.2317.qm@web63409.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50707031126w334c5a9co79684182bd7132fc@mail.gmail.com>

Dear anh Ngoc Anh & CACC,

Thank you anh Ngoc Anh for posting the MOET presentation.  It is very
interesting. I love to have a Vietnamese university ranks within the top 100
universities of the world.  But I am concerned that a good strategy to
improve Vietnam university education is not there.

So far, up to this point in time, from everything I have been reading, MOET
has three major "prongs of attack" to improve university education:  First,
the war against negativism ("Say No to Negativism"), including the war
against cheating.  Second, improving teachers' salaries.  and third, a plan
to push for an "international university."  All these things are good, but
if that is all we have, I am afraid that in the long term our education will
not be improved very well.  The plan for an "international university,"
good as it may be, could be like the Russian government's efforts to land
people on the moon and build nuclear warheads, while the country was
impoverish until it was collapsed, because the fundamentals of the economy
were not there.

A reputable university may sound good, but what does it do to the entire
system of education?  What would happen to all other universities?  How are
they going to be good?

Let me remind everyone of one simple solution that Vietnam has been very
successful  in improving the economy: Competition.  If universities are
encouraged to open and to compete freely, quality will improve across the
board. Bad schools will phase out and every school will try to improve
quality in order to stay in business.

Of course, education is different from selling shoes, so the government may
need to be involved more in the "market," such as running state
universities, issuing guidelines on "state certification" of schools that
meet MOET standards, issuing minimum standards to open a school, etc.  But
other than such supervisory function, the government would be better off
encouraging private universities to be opened, to inject more and more
competition into the scene.

We don't really need one "international school."  We need ALL SCHOOLS to be
better.  We need to help more schools open so that more students may have an
education, and we need ALL schools to be good so that all students are
better.  Competition will make that happen.  That should be the strategy.

Have a great day!

Hoanh


On 6/27/07, Anh Tran <cpanhtran at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> Dear CACC,
>
> FYI , the attached powerpoint provides some short and condensed
> information about what is currently in development and planned for the
> longer term for higher education in Vietnam.
>
> Regards,
>
> - Andrew Tran Ngoc Anh -
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC
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From nhuung at gmail.com  Wed Jul  4 01:48:08 2007
From: nhuung at gmail.com (Nhung)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 15:48:08 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] pollution in HCMC
Message-ID: <468b5ed3.06ec720a.4abd.ffffe520@mx.google.com>

Dear CACC,

I'm writing about a lot of problems regarding of pollution in HCMC from the
air (dirt, noise) issues to water, soil and other things. I would love if
there is anyone among you all has expertise knowlegde and pursues the same
focus with me. Please feel free to contact me - We may have something to
work on together.

Thanks a lot,

-nhung

 

Nguyen Hong Nhung

Reporter

 

Vietnam Investment Review

Timeout

Dau tu

Dau tu Chung khoan

178 Nguyen Dinh Chieu, Dist 3, HCMC

Tel: (08)930 5311 - Fax: 930 5318

Mobile: 0903382870

E-mail:  <mailto:nhuung at gmail.com> nhuung at gmail.com /
<mailto:nhung at virhcm.com.vn> nhung at virhcm.com.vn

http://www.vir.com.vn/Client/TimeOut/Default.asp

 

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Monday. Dau tu is published on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Dau tu Chung
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From duyennv at gmail.com  Wed Jul  4 04:28:36 2007
From: duyennv at gmail.com (Duyen Nguyen)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:28:36 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] pollution in HCMC
In-Reply-To: <468b5ed3.06ec720a.4abd.ffffe520@mx.google.com>
References: <468b5ed3.06ec720a.4abd.ffffe520@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <547dd0ea0707040428q1deeaf2fmdc1b93a9a3b7eedf@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Nhung,

Our organisation, Swiss Agency for Development and Cooperation (SDC) is
supporting the Insitute for Environment and Resources of HCMC National
Universty on 2 projects: (i) the air monitoring, and (2) capacity building.
Please contact Dr Hoang Thanh Thuy, I think that she can give you some
hints. Her email is hengthuy at yahoo.com (she is copied thsi email).

Thuy oi, can you help? Many thanks

Nhung: I hear that there is a Associaiton of the Vietnamese Environmental
Journalists. Do you know them. Do you need my introduction?
Cheers

On 7/4/07, Nhung <nhuung at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
>  Dear CACC,
>
> I'm writing about a lot of problems regarding of pollution in HCMC from
> the air (dirt, noise) issues to water, soil and other things. I would love
> if there is anyone among you all has expertise knowlegde and pursues the
> same focus with me. Please feel free to contact me ? We may have something
> to work on together.
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> -nhung
>
>
>
> *Nguyen Hong Nhung*
>
> *Reporter*
>
> * *
>
> Vietnam Investment Review
>
> Timeout
>
> Dau tu
>
> Dau tu Chung khoan
>
> 178 Nguyen Dinh Chieu, Dist 3, HCMC
>
> Tel: (08)930 5311 - Fax: 930 5318
>
> Mobile: 0903382870
>
> E-mail: nhuung at gmail.com / nhung at virhcm.com.vn
>
> http://www.vir.com.vn/Client/TimeOut/Default.asp
>
>
>
> *Vietnam Investment Review and its supplement Timeout are published every
> Monday. Dau tu is published on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Dau tu Chung
> khoan is published on Monday and Thursday.*
>
>
>
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With best regards

Nguyen Van Duyen
Master of Environment Law (Sydney)
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From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Thu Jul  5 04:32:44 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:32:44 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Bank seeks US$300m in foreign, local float
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF41508@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Bank seeks US$300m in foreign, local float

John Jannarone
The Standards
Thursday, July 05, 2007

Vietnam's second largest bank by assets, The Bank for Foreign Trade of Vietnam, plans to raise about US$300 million (HK$2.34 billion) from an initial public offering in August or September, the lender's deputy general director said Wednesday. 
"It's probably about US$300 million, but for the exact figure we'll have to consult with our financial advisers," Nguyen Van Tuan said. 

The IPO shares will represent a 30 percent equity stake in the state-controlled lender, also known as Vietcombank, and half of the offering will be sold to foreign investors. 

Vietnamese banks have recently sought fresh capital and tied up with foreign partners to help meet burgeoning credit demand in the Southeast Asian nation, which boasts one of the fastest economic growth rates in the world. 

Some portion of the international tranche will be taken up by strategic partners who will have board seats and participate in the bank's management. 

Tuan said the company expects to choose three or fewer such partners to help it expand abroad and build an investment banking franchise. 

"We don't want to have many board seats, so we will check and balance on this issue and probably we'll have one to three," he said. 

Current regulations limit foreign ownership in listed Vietnamese firms to 10 percent, but the government has said it may raise the limit to 20 percent. 

Tuan said the strategic investors will "not necessarily" be from Asia, as Vietcombank seeks partners best suited to help the bank expand abroad. 

The IPO shares will be denominated in US dollars and initially be listed on the country's stock market in Ho Chi Minh City. 

Following the first offering, Tuan expects the bank to seek a listing in Hong Kong or Singapore to broaden its investor base and boost its international profile. 

"I don't think that Ho Chi Minh City or Hanoi will give us the big benchmark we want," he said. 

Vietcombank may follow the lead of major Chinese banks that have listed in Hong Kong, but Tuan said the Singapore Exchange imposes fewer hurdles to secure a listing. "In Hong Kong there are stricter regulatory requirements on corporate governance," he said, adding that the bank could sell a smaller portion of its equity if it opts for a Singapore listing. 

"If we list in Hong Kong, we have to issue at least 15 percent [of the bank's equity] and if we list in Singapore we have to float at least US$100 million," Tuan said. "As a starting point we may begin with the minimum amount that they allow." 

Vietcombank had more than US$10 billion in assets at the end of 2006 and has a 15 percent market share, according to the bank's own statistics. 

Credit Suisse is advising Vietcombank on its IPO. DOW JONES NEWSWIRES 

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Thu Jul  5 04:35:04 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:35:04 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Tiny and feisty,
	75-year-old woman is scourge of corrupt officialdom in Vietnam
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF41509@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

By Vu Tien Hong
ASSOCIATED PRESS

10:36 a.m. July 4, 2007

HANOI, Vietnam - Most Vietnamese cower when a cop squeezes them for a bribe. Le Hien Duc, a gray-haired 75-year-old grandmother, fights back. 
Four-foot-nine and weighing just 88 pounds, she'll take on anyone, from lowly bureaucrats to high-level officials. She e-mails, phones, tracks them down at their offices, confronts them at their homes. 



Advertisement"Corruption is definitely an evil, and it is ruining my beloved country," said Duc, a former elementary school teacher who works from dawn until dusk battling graft. 
Corruption is perhaps the most vulnerable spot in the country's single-party Communist state - from the traffic cops who pull drivers over for $3 bribes to the Transportation Ministry officials accused last year of gambling $13 million in public money on British soccer matches. 

Corruption persists here in part because officials earning $50 official salaries consider it perfectly acceptable to charge kickbacks for virtually any kind of service, large or small. 

As a result, the country routinely fares poorly in international corruption rankings. But in Vietnam, where people respect authority, few dare challenge the system. But many turn to Duc. 

"Most of us tremble when we have to deal with police," said Doan Van Hung, a delivery man who recently sought Duc's help. "She is incredibly brave." 

Hung's ordeal was typical - a policeman stopped him for speeding and threatened to seize his motorbike unless he paid a $3 bribe - more than a day's average wage. 

Corruption among "road bullies," as the Vietnamese traffic police are known, is rampant. But most drivers simply pay up and leave. 

Duc tracked down the officer who harassed Hung and filed a complaint with the Hanoi chief of police. The officer was promptly demoted. 

The grandmother of eight intervened in another recent case involving school officials who had apparently been pocketing school lunch money for years by making cafeteria staff cut back on the kids' portions. 

Local government investigators confirmed the scam. But when the evidence was brought before Hanoi education officials, they did nothing. 

Frustrated parents had read about Duc in the newspapers and turned to her for help. She took the case straight to the top. 

She said she called the office of the education minister, Nguyen Thien Nhan, about 30 times. 

When her messages went unanswered, Duc managed to discover the minister's cell phone number and called him. He promised to have the department's internal investigator look into the case. 

"She always knows whom to call," said Nguyen Tan Tien, chairman of the school parents' association. 

In Vietnam, most grandmothers stay home and look after their grandchildren. Duc buries herself in the fight against graft. 

"Someone must stop it, for the sake of justice," she said. 

Duc has spent a lot of time investigating where government and party leaders live and work. If they won't meet her at their offices, she just shows up at their homes. 

"Whenever we see her, we know there is a problem somewhere," said Pham Van Tai, an Education Ministry official. "She has pushed us a little too hard." 

Duc runs her crusade from her narrow, three-story home in Hanoi, where her desk is covered with stacks of mail from people seeking help from all corners of Vietnam. She spends about two-thirds of her $80 monthly pension on the Internet, phone calls, photocopying and motorbike taxis. 

Her work has made enemies. 

Last month, people came to her house and told her to butt out of the school lunch money scam. 

"Drop the case or start saving money for your coffin," they shouted. 

Her children wish she would give up her work. 

"She is too old and weak to protect herself," said Pham Minh Hai, Duc's daughter. "She should stay home and play with the kids." 

But Duc has no intention of quitting. She says she is following the example of Ho Chi Minh, the revolutionary hero of Vietnam's government. 

Like many others of her generation, Duc joined the revolution as a young woman. During Vietnam's war against French colonialists, she spent years in the jungle, decoding messages for the army. 

"We gave our blood, sweat and tears," she said. "There is no excuse for anyone to abuse their authority. I cannot stand seeing corrupt officials bully people." 

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Thu Jul  5 04:36:21 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:36:21 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] M'sia-Viet JV strikes oil Fitch affirms IOI Corp's rating
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF4150A@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Thursday July 5, 2007


M'sia-Viet JV strikes oil Fitch affirms IOI Corp's rating

HANOI: A venture between PetroVietnam and Petroliam Nasional Bhd (Petronas) has discovered oil at a field off Vietnam's southern coast, state media reported yesterday. 

Tests at the oilfield, named Dong Do, showed an oil flow of 2,500 barrels per day (bpd), the Vietnam Economic Times newspaper quoted officials from the field's operator, Lam Son JOC, as saying. 

Dong Do field is about 5km north-east of Thang Long field, where Lam Son JOC said in June it also found oil with a test flow of 4,500 bpd. 

PetroVietnam and Petronas each hold a 50% stake in the oil venture. - Reuters 

 

KUALA LUMPUR: Fitch Ratings said it has affirmed IOI Corp Bhd's long-term foreign currency issuer default rating at A-.  

Fitch said in a statement it also affirmed the A- rating on the US$500mil notes due 2015 issued by IOI Ventures (L) Bhd and guaranteed by IOI Corp.  

Both ratings have been removed from its negative rating watch, with the outlook stable. 

"The rating action reflects Fitch's expectation that IOI Corp's credit metrics will continue to be in line with an A- rating for a company with its risk profile, even after the completion of a proposed capital reduction of up to RM1.38bil in August," it said. - AFX-Asia  

From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 04:58:03 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:58:03 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Tiny and feisty,
	75-year-old woman is scourge of corrupt officialdom in Vietnam
In-Reply-To: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF41509@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>
References: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF41509@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50707050458v2d81aae9x2c3f0fe267aa1636@mail.gmail.com>

Great, fighter.  Great spirit.  Great citizen.

I love this lady.  Our country will be super-good if we have 100 citizens
like this.

Hoanh
_____________________

On 7/5/07, Phan, Tai <Tai.Phan at ed.gov> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> By Vu Tien Hong
> ASSOCIATED PRESS
>
> 10:36 a.m. July 4, 2007
>
> HANOI, Vietnam - Most Vietnamese cower when a cop squeezes them for a
> bribe. Le Hien Duc, a gray-haired 75-year-old grandmother, fights back.
> Four-foot-nine and weighing just 88 pounds, she'll take on anyone, from
> lowly bureaucrats to high-level officials. She e-mails, phones, tracks them
> down at their offices, confronts them at their homes.
>
>
>
> Advertisement"Corruption is definitely an evil, and it is ruining my
> beloved country," said Duc, a former elementary school teacher who works
> from dawn until dusk battling graft.
> Corruption is perhaps the most vulnerable spot in the country's
> single-party Communist state - from the traffic cops who pull drivers over
> for $3 bribes to the Transportation Ministry officials accused last year of
> gambling $13 million in public money on British soccer matches.
>
> Corruption persists here in part because officials earning $50 official
> salaries consider it perfectly acceptable to charge kickbacks for virtually
> any kind of service, large or small.
>
> As a result, the country routinely fares poorly in international
> corruption rankings. But in Vietnam, where people respect authority, few
> dare challenge the system. But many turn to Duc.
>
> "Most of us tremble when we have to deal with police," said Doan Van Hung,
> a delivery man who recently sought Duc's help. "She is incredibly brave."
>
> Hung's ordeal was typical - a policeman stopped him for speeding and
> threatened to seize his motorbike unless he paid a $3 bribe - more than a
> day's average wage.
>
> Corruption among "road bullies," as the Vietnamese traffic police are
> known, is rampant. But most drivers simply pay up and leave.
>
> Duc tracked down the officer who harassed Hung and filed a complaint with
> the Hanoi chief of police. The officer was promptly demoted.
>
> The grandmother of eight intervened in another recent case involving
> school officials who had apparently been pocketing school lunch money for
> years by making cafeteria staff cut back on the kids' portions.
>
> Local government investigators confirmed the scam. But when the evidence
> was brought before Hanoi education officials, they did nothing.
>
> Frustrated parents had read about Duc in the newspapers and turned to her
> for help. She took the case straight to the top.
>
> She said she called the office of the education minister, Nguyen Thien
> Nhan, about 30 times.
>
> When her messages went unanswered, Duc managed to discover the minister's
> cell phone number and called him. He promised to have the department's
> internal investigator look into the case.
>
> "She always knows whom to call," said Nguyen Tan Tien, chairman of the
> school parents' association.
>
> In Vietnam, most grandmothers stay home and look after their
> grandchildren. Duc buries herself in the fight against graft.
>
> "Someone must stop it, for the sake of justice," she said.
>
> Duc has spent a lot of time investigating where government and party
> leaders live and work. If they won't meet her at their offices, she just
> shows up at their homes.
>
> "Whenever we see her, we know there is a problem somewhere," said Pham Van
> Tai, an Education Ministry official. "She has pushed us a little too hard."
>
> Duc runs her crusade from her narrow, three-story home in Hanoi, where her
> desk is covered with stacks of mail from people seeking help from all
> corners of Vietnam. She spends about two-thirds of her $80 monthly pension
> on the Internet, phone calls, photocopying and motorbike taxis.
>
> Her work has made enemies.
>
> Last month, people came to her house and told her to butt out of the
> school lunch money scam.
>
> "Drop the case or start saving money for your coffin," they shouted.
>
> Her children wish she would give up her work.
>
> "She is too old and weak to protect herself," said Pham Minh Hai, Duc's
> daughter. "She should stay home and play with the kids."
>
> But Duc has no intention of quitting. She says she is following the
> example of Ho Chi Minh, the revolutionary hero of Vietnam's government.
>
> Like many others of her generation, Duc joined the revolution as a young
> woman. During Vietnam's war against French colonialists, she spent years in
> the jungle, decoding messages for the army.
>
> "We gave our blood, sweat and tears," she said. "There is no excuse for
> anyone to abuse their authority. I cannot stand seeing corrupt officials
> bully people."
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 05:48:33 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:48:33 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Welcome anh Ferenc Gyurkovics into VNBIZ
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50707050548j6e7305eeyf5efc95ef2d1d64c@mail.gmail.com>

Dear CACC,

Please join to welcome anh Ferenc Gyurkovics into our VNBIZ family.

Ferenc brainshare at fw.hu a Senior Project Manager of E-Group in Budapest,
Hungary.   www.egroup.hu.  E-Group is establishing a software development
office in Hanoi, working with Vietnamese developpers.  Its first goal is to
translate some resource from Net.DATA to ASP.Net; for that, it needs to
write a translator first.  Brother Ferenc would like to have some info
on "the development culture, cultural background and use policy in Hanoi."

Great, welcome in, Ferenc.  And welcome to Vietnam!  I trust that some
brother/sister in VNBIZ will be able to give you some info and chat with
you.  We have quite a few techies here.  About "culture," the best way to
learn a new culture is to hang out with some Vietnamese guys/gals in Hanoi.
Our family has good and friendly brothers/sisters here. Talk to them.  And
if anyone treats you wrongly, tell me :-)  And please feel free to ask
questions on the forum.

Great day, Ferenc and all.

Hoanh
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From: pthang at comcast.net (pthang at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 16:50:49 +0000
Subject: [Vnbiz] Tiny and feisty,
	75-year-old woman is scourge of corrupt officialdom in Vietnam
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The communist party should open an investigation unit for her and help her work  It is a WIN  WIN situation for her and the party.

Thang
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From toanducpham at gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 20:18:55 2007
From: toanducpham at gmail.com (ToanDucPham@GMail.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:18:55 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] [vnbiz]: HCMC businessmen watching porno films in an int'l
	flight?
Message-ID: <a1c1e89f0707052018t4dee8d45r47530b0e5f7901bb@mail.gmail.com>

HCMC brothers, wanna say anything?
Rgds./Toan.

~~~ ~~~ ~~~
Th? n?m, 5/7/2007, 11:46 GMT+7

*Doanh nh?n xem phim sex tr?n m?y bay*
http://www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Kinh-doanh/2007/07/3B9F7CE1/

M?t s? kh?ch n??c ngo?i tham gia chuy?n bay mang m? hi?u VN535 H? N?i -
Paris c?a Vietnam Airlines h?m 17/6 ?? r?t b?t b?nh khi hai h?nh kh?ch l?
nh?ng ?ng ch? doanh nghi?p ng??i Vi?t say s?a xem phim m?t.
Chuy?n bay mang m? hi?u VN535 xu?t ph?t tr? H? N?i l?c 22h30, sau khi c?t
c?nh ???c n?a gi? th? hai gi?m ??c c?a hai c?ng ty t? nh?n thu?c H?i doanh
nghi?p Tr? TP HCM b?t m?y t?nh ?? xem phim sex. Nh?ng ?m thanh v? h?nh ?nh
m?t ??n n?i m?t n? h?nh kh?ch ng??i Ph?p ng?i gh? trong c?ng ph?i l?n ti?ng
ph?n ??i.
Khi b? nh?c nh?, hai v? kh?ch v?n c? t?nh xem th?m v?i gi?, b?t ch?p s? kh?
ch?u c?a ng??i xung quanh g?m c? ng??i n??c ngo?i v? c? nh?ng ?ng ch? doanh
nghi?p kh?c thu?c H?i doanh nghi?p Tr? TP HCM c?ng ?i trong ?o?n.
Sau m?y l?n nh?c nh? kh?ng ???c, c? g?i ng??i Ph?p g?n nh? b?t kh?c r?i ?i
b?o an ninh h?ng kh?ng ?? nh? can thi?p. B?i l?, h?ng gh? ch? c? 3 ng??i,
g?m hai v? gi?m ??c v? c? g?i ng??i Ph?p.
Hai v? kh?ch b? d?n v?o ph?ng an ninh ?? x?c minh v? vi?c. Sau khi b? nh?c
nh? v? h?a kh?ng t?i ph?m, 2 ?ng gi?m ??c "m?i vui" kia ???c v? ch? ?? ti?p
t?c cu?c h?nh tr?nh.
?ng Nguy?n Thu Phong, ng??i ph? tr?ch ?o?n c?ng t?c c? 2 v? gi?m ??c tr?n
x?c nh?n c? s? vi?c n?y.
D? ch?a nh?n ???c th?ng tin v? v? vi?c song theo ?ng Tr?nh Ng?c Th?nh, ng??i
ph?t ng?n c?a Vietnam Airlines, v? nguy?n t?c, c?c h?ng h?ng kh?ng ch? y?u
c?u kh?ch h?ng t?t m?y di ??ng v? c?c v?n d?ng kh?c khi m?y bay c?t v? h?
c?nh nh?m ??m b?o an to?n. Sau ??, kh?ch h?ng ???c s? d?ng c?c ph??ng ti?n
c? nh?n b?nh th??ng.
"Ch?ng t?i kh?ng th? b?t kh?ch h?ng ph?i xem hay nghe lo?i h?nh ngh? thu?t
n?o. Vietnam Airlines c?ng kh?ng c? v?n b?n hay quy ??nh n?o v? vi?c c?m
kh?ch h?ng xem phim m?t tr?n chuy?n bay c?. V?n ?? c?n l?i l? m?i h?nh kh?ch
ph?i t? ? th?c v? vi?c m?nh l?m ?? tr?nh ?nh h??ng ??n ng??i xung quanh",
?ng Th?nh nh?n m?nh.
H?ng Anh
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 20:55:38 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:55:38 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] [vnbiz]: HCMC businessmen watching porno films in an
	int'l flight?
In-Reply-To: <a1c1e89f0707052018t4dee8d45r47530b0e5f7901bb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a1c1e89f0707052018t4dee8d45r47530b0e5f7901bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50707052055q721cf698l309c117b4b8af895@mail.gmail.com>

Dear brohter Toan & CACC,

Thanks for the interesting article.  The airline official's response is even
more interesting: "Vietnamese airlines has no documents or regulations about
passenger watching porno movie in a flight.  The issue is that each
passenger has to be conscious about his action so not to disturb other
passengers."

I think Vien Kiem Sat Nhan Dan may have a different opinion.  Now, if you
sit in a restaurant in Saigon and play a porno movie on your computer, you
will be arrested and prosecuted immediately, maybe for "public indecency" or
some similar offense in the criminal code.  (Would some lawyer in the house
check out the criminal law?)

If you are on the airplane, it is exactly like a restaurant.  And airplane
is a public place like a restaurant. It is not a private room.  Playing
porno movie in an airplane seat is a public display of indecency.  That must
be a violation of some criminal law section.  And since the airplane is of
Vietnamese nationality, Vietname criminal law will govern.  (Also, probably
the movie was played inside Vietnam's land and air territory too).

It is a serious criminal offense.

Have a great day!

Hoanh

On 7/5/07, ToanDucPham at GMail.com <toanducpham at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
>
> HCMC brothers, wanna say anything?
> Rgds./Toan.
>
> ~~~ ~~~ ~~~
> Th? n?m, 5/7/2007, 11:46 GMT+7
>
> *Doanh nh?n xem phim sex tr?n m?y bay*
> http://www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Kinh-doanh/2007/07/3B9F7CE1/
>
> M?t s? kh?ch n??c ngo?i tham gia chuy?n bay mang m? hi?u VN535 H? N?i -
> Paris c?a Vietnam Airlines h?m 17/6 ?? r?t b?t b?nh khi hai h?nh kh?ch l?
> nh?ng ?ng ch? doanh nghi?p ng??i Vi?t say s?a xem phim m?t.
> Chuy?n bay mang m? hi?u VN535 xu?t ph?t tr? H? N?i l?c 22h30, sau khi c?t
> c?nh ???c n?a gi? th? hai gi?m ??c c?a hai c?ng ty t? nh?n thu?c H?i doanh
> nghi?p Tr? TP HCM b?t m?y t?nh ?? xem phim sex. Nh?ng ?m thanh v? h?nh ?nh
> m?t ??n n?i m?t n? h?nh kh?ch ng??i Ph?p ng?i gh? trong c?ng ph?i l?n ti?ng
> ph?n ??i.
> Khi b? nh?c nh?, hai v? kh?ch v?n c? t?nh xem th?m v?i gi?, b?t ch?p s?
> kh? ch?u c?a ng??i xung quanh g?m c? ng??i n??c ngo?i v? c? nh?ng ?ng ch?
> doanh nghi?p kh?c thu?c H?i doanh nghi?p Tr? TP HCM c?ng ?i trong ?o?n.
> Sau m?y l?n nh?c nh? kh?ng ???c, c? g?i ng??i Ph?p g?n nh? b?t kh?c r?i ?i
> b?o an ninh h?ng kh?ng ?? nh? can thi?p. B?i l?, h?ng gh? ch? c? 3 ng??i,
> g?m hai v? gi?m ??c v? c? g?i ng??i Ph?p.
> Hai v? kh?ch b? d?n v?o ph?ng an ninh ?? x?c minh v? vi?c. Sau khi b? nh?c
> nh? v? h?a kh?ng t?i ph?m, 2 ?ng gi?m ??c "m?i vui" kia ???c v? ch? ?? ti?p
> t?c cu?c h?nh tr?nh.
> ?ng Nguy?n Thu Phong, ng??i ph? tr?ch ?o?n c?ng t?c c? 2 v? gi?m ??c tr?n
> x?c nh?n c? s? vi?c n?y.
> D? ch?a nh?n ???c th?ng tin v? v? vi?c song theo ?ng Tr?nh Ng?c Th?nh,
> ng??i ph?t ng?n c?a Vietnam Airlines, v? nguy?n t?c, c?c h?ng h?ng kh?ng ch?
> y?u c?u kh?ch h?ng t?t m?y di ??ng v? c?c v?n d?ng kh?c khi m?y bay c?t v?
> h? c?nh nh?m ??m b?o an to?n. Sau ??, kh?ch h?ng ???c s? d?ng c?c ph??ng
> ti?n c? nh?n b?nh th??ng.
> "Ch?ng t?i kh?ng th? b?t kh?ch h?ng ph?i xem hay nghe lo?i h?nh ngh? thu?t
> n?o. Vietnam Airlines c?ng kh?ng c? v?n b?n hay quy ??nh n?o v? vi?c c?m
> kh?ch h?ng xem phim m?t tr?n chuy?n bay c?. V?n ?? c?n l?i l? m?i h?nh kh?ch
> ph?i t? ? th?c v? vi?c m?nh l?m ?? tr?nh ?nh h??ng ??n ng??i xung quanh",
> ?ng Th?nh nh?n m?nh.
> H?ng Anh
>
-- 
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Fri Jul  6 20:13:13 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 23:13:13 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Should the bribe payer be prosecuted?
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50707062013x2982798cw95adfd706a54cf38@mail.gmail.com>

  Dear CACC,

According to the VNexpress article below, a Korean company paid an official
at Khanh Hoa's Deparment of Planning and Investment 70,000 USD to grease the
wheel for a proposed investment in Cam Ranh Bay.  The official is being
prosecuted by Viet Kiem Sat Nhan Dan.  But the article mentions nothing
about the Korean company and the Korean person who paid the bribe.

Shouldn't they be prosecuted too?

Have a great day!

Hoanh
__________

  Th? s?u, 22/6/2007, 08:56 GMT+7
[image: B?n ?? in] [image: G?i cho b?n b?]

Kh?i t? v? 'l?t tay' 70.000 USD ? S? K? ho?ch Kh?nh H?a

C?ng an t?nh Kh?nh H?a v?a kh?i t? b? can ?ng Phan Xu?n T?ng, 38 tu?i,
chuy?n vi?n Ph?ng H?p t?c ??u t?, S? K? ho?ch - ??u t? Kh?nh H?a, v? h?nh vi
nh?n h?i l?.
> Sa th?i chuy?n vi?n nh?n h?i l? 70.000 USD<http://www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Phap-luat/2007/06/3B9F722E/>

Ng?y 21/6, VKSND ph? chu?n quy?t ??nh kh?i t? tr?n. Tr??c ?? m?t ng?y, v? ?n
nh?n h?i l? x?y ra t?i S? K? ho?ch - ??u t? Kh?nh H?a ?? b? c? quan ?i?u tra
kh?i t?. B? can Phan Xu?n T?ng b? c?m ?i kh?i n?i c? tr?.

??u n?m 2007, C?ng ty TNHH Sky resort (H?n Qu?c) xin l?p d? ?n ??u t? v?o
khu v?c b?c b?n ??o Cam Ranh. ?ng Phan Xu?n T?ng ???c S? K? ho?ch - ??u t?
Kh?nh H?a giao ti?n h?nh c?c th? t?c ?? tr?nh l?nh ??o c?p gi?y ph?p ??u t?.
Nh? ??u t? H?n Qu?c ?? ngh? ?ng T?ng gi?p ?? ?? ???c c?p gi?y ph?p nhanh v?
??a ti?n "b?i d??ng" cho ?ng T?ng, t?ng c?ng 70.000 USD.

??i l?u kh?ng th?y k?t qu?, ph?a nh? ??u t? H?n Qu?c nghi ng? v? g?p l?nh
??o t?nh Kh?nh H?a ph?n ?nh vi?c ?ng T?ng nh?n ti?n "b?i d??ng". Ng?y 22/5,
?ng T?ng ?? ph?i tr? l?i 60.000 USD cho nh? ??u t? H?n Qu?c. C? quan ?i?u
tra ?? ki?m tra t?i kho?n c?a ?ng T?ng t?i ng?n h?ng v? thu gi? 10.000 USD
c?n l?i.

(Theo *Thanh Ni?n*)


-- 
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Washington DC
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Dear CACC,

FYI.

Thanks, Chuck.

Hoanh

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Chuck Searcy <chucksearcy at yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 7, 2007 2:56 AM
Subject: Hanoi must make choices
To: Hoang Cong Thuy <hcthuy at fpt.vn>, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com>,
Nguyen Hong Hai <hhaiahh at hotmail.com>
Cc: Tran Gia Quang <giaquang at gmail.com>, Duong Trong Hue <
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*New York Times  *
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Air



-- 
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Dear CACC,

 

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From outlook124 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 07:05:27 2007
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Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 21:05:27 +0700
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Dear bro Chuck,

Thanks very much, bro Chuck,


Hai


On 7/7/07, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> Dear CACC,
>
> FYI.
>
> Thanks, Chuck.
>
> Hoanh
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Chuck Searcy <chucksearcy at yahoo.com>
> Date: Jul 7, 2007 2:56 AM
> Subject: Hanoi must make choices
> To: Hoang Cong Thuy <hcthuy at fpt.vn>, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com>,
> Nguyen Hong Hai < hhaiahh at hotmail.com>
> Cc: Tran Gia Quang <giaquang at gmail.com>, Duong Trong Hue <
> tronghue76 at gmail.com>
>
>
> *New York Times  *
> July 7, 2007
> The Economy and the Traffic Are Humming in Hanoi, but the Price Is Dirtier
> Air
>
>
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Sun Jul  8 19:09:23 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:09:23 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Local Non-Government Organizations in Vietnam: Development,
	Civil Society and State-society Relations
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50707081909v488836ebg6e0f6a5b978b9eb1@mail.gmail.com>

Dear CACC,

This dissertation on Civil Society in Vietnam is very good.  Should be read
entirely.  It is at

http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20dissertationTOC.htm

Below is its table of content, posted on VNPH by brother Hai.  Thanks, Hai.

A side note:  Joseph and Dieu Hien, his wife, have been working on Vietnam
issues for a long time.  (I think I met them both in Hanoi when I was there
in 1995).  Both were in VNForum before we merged VNForum into VNBIZ.

Have a great day!

Hoanh


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Date: Jul 8, 2007 9:45 PM
Subject: [VNPH Family] "Local Non-Government Organizations in Vietnam:
Development, Civil Society and State-society Relations"
To: VNPH at mail.saigon.com


[Vietnam Public Health Forum]



Dear brothers and sisters,

Below is the abstract and table of contents of the dissertation entitled
"Local Non-government Organization in Vietnam: Development, Civil Society
and State-society Relations" by Joseph Hannah, Department of Geography,
Univ. of Washington (Seattle). This is the university where sis. Hoang T.
Dieu Hien is working. Sis Hien is a member of VNPH.

Have a great day,


Hai

--


*Local Non-Government Organizations in Vietnam:*

*Development, Civil Society and State-society Relations *



by

Joseph Hannah

Department of Geography

University of Washington (Seattle)

 2007





*Chair of the Supervisory Committee:*

Dr Lucy Jarosz



 *Abstract *



This dissertation explores the fascinating ways the concept of civil society
is understood in Vietnam, its place in Vietnamese political ideology, the
conflicts around its deployment by international donors, and particularly
its daily manifestations through local, non-profit, non-government
development organizations, the so-called Vietnamese NGOs. My goal is to
challenge the dominant definitions in current civil society theory,
particularly those definitions used by international development actors. By
challenging these dominant definitions, I look for understandings and
insights that better explain the empirical data I collected in my fieldwork.
In the process, I argue for a new manner of characterizing civil society
based on activities and roles of both state and non-state actors instead of
on institutions such as "autonomous associations." By looking at what each
actor *does* ? using a "logic of actions" ? rather than what each
actor *is*? using  a "logic of domains" ? we can begin to see forms of
civil society
that are obscured by structural definitions. This new manner of approaching
civil society can help overcome much of the Euro-centric bias in both
mainstream theories of civil society and in the application of civil society
through international development projects, allowing for a broader
understanding of state-society relations in Vietnam and other places in the
world.
---



*Table of Contents*







Abstract<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20abstract.htm>



   Dedication<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20dedication.pdf>


Acknowledgements<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20acknowledgements.pdf>


Introduction<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20introduction.pdf>





Chapter 1: Approaching Civil Society in Vietnam
<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%201%20-%20Introduction%20final.pdf>

Recognizing Civil Society

Civil Society Theory and International Development

Civil Society, Development and Vietnamese NGOs

Conclusion




Chapter 2: Methodology<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%202%20-%20Methodology%20final.pdf>

Introduction

Research Questions

Overview of My Research

Ethnographic Field Techniques

Research Constraints: An American Researcher, A Sensitive Topic

Scope of Research: What I Didn't Do

Conclusion




Chapter 3: Theoretical Foundations
<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%203%20-%20Theoretical%20Foundations%20final.pdf>

Introduction

History and Current Debates in Civil Society

Civil Society in Development

A New Approach ? Civil Society Processes

Conclusion




Chapter 4: Vietnamese Encounters with Civil Society
<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%204%20-%20VNese%20ideas%20of%20CS%20final.pdf>

Introduction

Vietnamese Historical Encounters with Civil Society

Vietnamese Translations of "Civil Society"

Vietnamese Writers on Civil Society

Conclusion: Traveling Theory, Vietnamese Voices




Chapter 5:* ??i M?i*, VNGOs and Prospects for a Vietnamese Civil Society
<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%205%20-%20VN%20context%20final.pdf>

*??i M?i* and the Renegotiation of State-society Relations

VNGOs, Civil Society and the Vietnamese State

Registering VNGOs: Finding the Spaces between Party Lines

Civil Society, Western Development Agencies and the Vietnamese State

Conclusion




Chapter 6: "Autonomous," "Ambiguous" or "Amphibious": The Cross-Colonization
of State and Civil Society Organizations in Vietnam
<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%206%20-%20Amphib%20final.pdf>

Introduction

Autonomy and the Work of Civil Society

Empirical Lessons from Organizations in Vietnam

Conclusions




Chapter 7: "Non-Political Professionals": Appropriate Civil Society Roles
for VNGOs
<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%207%20Professionalism%20final.pdf>


Introduction: Ms Ni

Professionalism

Vietnamese-led Development

When "Professional" Means "Non-Political"

Conclusion: Civil Society Functions in Vietnam: "Appropriate Activities"




Chapter 8: Concluding Remarks
<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%208%20Conclusions%20final.pdf>

Recap: Civil Society and Vietnamese NGOs

Contributions of this Dissertation

Future Study

Conclusion




References<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20references.pdf>





Appendix: Bibliography of Civil Society and NGOs in Vietnam
<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20CivilSocietyVN%20bib.pdf>



-- 
Hai M. Tran, LL.B.
Hanoi, Vietnam

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From a.ledieu at gmail.com  Sun Jul  8 19:51:34 2007
From: a.ledieu at gmail.com (LeDieu Anh)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:51:34 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Local Non-Government Organizations in Vietnam:
	Development, Civil Society and State-society Relations
In-Reply-To: <fe5aabf50707081909v488836ebg6e0f6a5b978b9eb1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fe5aabf50707081909v488836ebg6e0f6a5b978b9eb1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <741a234c0707081951h299eda9dt348f716991379ca9@mail.gmail.com>

Dear bros Hoanh and Hai,

Thank you for posting such an interesting information.

have a great day,
Anh

On 7/9/07, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
> Dear CACC,
>
> This dissertation on Civil Society in Vietnam is very good.  Should be
> read entirely.  It is at
>
> http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20dissertationTOC.htm
>
>
> Below is its table of content, posted on VNPH by brother Hai.  Thanks,
> Hai.
>
> A side note:  Joseph and Dieu Hien, his wife, have been working on Vietnam
> issues for a long time.  (I think I met them both in Hanoi when I was there
> in 1995).  Both were in VNForum before we merged VNForum into VNBIZ.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Hoanh
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Tran Manh Hai < hai124 at gmail.com>
> Date: Jul 8, 2007 9:45 PM
> Subject: [VNPH Family] "Local Non-Government Organizations in Vietnam:
> Development, Civil Society and State-society Relations"
> To: VNPH at mail.saigon.com
>
>
> [Vietnam Public Health Forum]
>
>
>
> Dear brothers and sisters,
>
> Below is the abstract and table of contents of the dissertation entitled
> "Local Non-government Organization in Vietnam: Development, Civil Society
> and State-society Relations" by Joseph Hannah, Department of Geography,
> Univ. of Washington (Seattle). This is the university where sis. Hoang T.
> Dieu Hien is working. Sis Hien is a member of VNPH.
>
> Have a great day,
>
>
> Hai
>
> --
>
>
> *Local Non-Government Organizations in Vietnam:*
>
> *Development, Civil Society and State-society Relations *
>
>
>
> by
>
> Joseph Hannah
>
> Department of Geography
>
> University of Washington (Seattle)
>
>  2007
>
>
>
>
>
> *Chair of the Supervisory Committee:*
>
> Dr Lucy Jarosz
>
>
>
>  *Abstract *
>
>
>
> This dissertation explores the fascinating ways the concept of civil
> society is understood in Vietnam, its place in Vietnamese political
> ideology, the conflicts around its deployment by international donors, and
> particularly its daily manifestations through local, non-profit,
> non-government development organizations, the so-called Vietnamese NGOs. My
> goal is to challenge the dominant definitions in current civil society
> theory, particularly those definitions used by international development
> actors. By challenging these dominant definitions, I look for understandings
> and insights that better explain the empirical data I collected in my
> fieldwork. In the process, I argue for a new manner of characterizing civil
> society based on activities and roles of both state and non-state actors
> instead of on institutions such as "autonomous associations." By looking at
> what each actor *does* ? using a "logic of actions" ? rather than what
> each actor *is* ? using  a "logic of domains" ? we can begin to see forms
> of civil society that are obscured by structural definitions. This new
> manner of approaching civil society can help overcome much of the
> Euro-centric bias in both mainstream theories of civil society and in the
> application of civil society through international development projects,
> allowing for a broader understanding of state-society relations in Vietnam
> and other places in the world.
> ---
>
>
>
> *Table of Contents*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Abstract<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20abstract.htm>
>
>
>
>    Dedication<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20dedication.pdf>
>
>
> Acknowledgements<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20acknowledgements.pdf>
>
>
> Introduction<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20introduction.pdf>
>
>
>
>
>
> Chapter 1: Approaching Civil Society in Vietnam
> <http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%201%20-%20Introduction%20final.pdf>
>
> Recognizing Civil Society
>
> Civil Society Theory and International Development
>
> Civil Society, Development and Vietnamese NGOs
>
> Conclusion
>
>
>
>
> Chapter 2: Methodology<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%202%20-%20Methodology%20final.pdf>
>
> Introduction
>
> Research Questions
>
> Overview of My Research
>
> Ethnographic Field Techniques
>
> Research Constraints: An American Researcher, A Sensitive Topic
>
> Scope of Research: What I Didn't Do
>
> Conclusion
>
>
>
>
> Chapter 3: Theoretical Foundations
> <http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%203%20-%20Theoretical%20Foundations%20final.pdf>
>
> Introduction
>
> History and Current Debates in Civil Society
>
> Civil Society in Development
>
> A New Approach ? Civil Society Processes
>
> Conclusion
>
>
>
>
> Chapter 4: Vietnamese Encounters with Civil Society
> <http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%204%20-%20VNese%20ideas%20of%20CS%20final.pdf>
>
> Introduction
>
> Vietnamese Historical Encounters with Civil Society
>
> Vietnamese Translations of "Civil Society"
>
> Vietnamese Writers on Civil Society
>
> Conclusion: Traveling Theory, Vietnamese Voices
>
>
>
>
> Chapter 5:* ??i M?i*, VNGOs and Prospects for a Vietnamese Civil Society
> <http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%205%20-%20VN%20context%20final.pdf>
>
> *??i M?i* and the Renegotiation of State-society Relations
>
> VNGOs, Civil Society and the Vietnamese State
>
> Registering VNGOs: Finding the Spaces between Party Lines
>
> Civil Society, Western Development Agencies and the Vietnamese State
>
> Conclusion
>
>
>
>
> Chapter 6: "Autonomous," "Ambiguous" or "Amphibious": The
> Cross-Colonization of State and Civil Society Organizations in Vietnam
> <http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%206%20-%20Amphib%20final.pdf>
>
> Introduction
>
> Autonomy and the Work of Civil Society
>
> Empirical Lessons from Organizations in Vietnam
>
> Conclusions
>
>
>
>
> Chapter 7: "Non-Political Professionals": Appropriate Civil Society Roles
> for VNGOs
> <http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%207%20Professionalism%20final.pdf>
>
>
> Introduction: Ms Ni
>
> Professionalism
>
> Vietnamese-led Development
>
> When "Professional" Means "Non-Political"
>
> Conclusion: Civil Society Functions in Vietnam: "Appropriate Activities"
>
>
>
>
> Chapter 8: Concluding Remarks
> <http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%208%20Conclusions%20final.pdf>
>
> Recap: Civil Society and Vietnamese NGOs
>
> Contributions of this Dissertation
>
> Future Study
>
> Conclusion
>
>
>
>
> References<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20references.pdf>
>
>
>
>
>
> Appendix: Bibliography of Civil Society and NGOs in Vietnam
> <http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20CivilSocietyVN%20bib.pdf>
>
>
>
> --
> Hai M. Tran, LL.B.
> Hanoi, Vietnam
>
> _______________________________________________
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> outlook124 at gmail.com"
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>
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> Washington DC
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From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Mon Jul  9 05:09:24 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:09:24 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] HSBC approved to raise stake in Vietnamese bank
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF4151F@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

HSBC approved to raise stake in Vietnamese bank
07-09-2007, 07h10
HONG KONG (AFP)

 

A securities trading floor in Hanoi. Global banking giant HSBC said it has received approval from the State Bank of Vietnam to increase its stake in a Vietnamese bank in a deal worth 33.7 million dollars 
 
 
Global banking giant HSBC said it has received approval from the State Bank of Vietnam to increase its stake in a Vietnamese bank in a deal worth 33.7 million dollars.

HSBC has raised its shareholding in Vietnam Technological and Commercial Joint-Stock Bank (Techcombank) to 15 percent from 10 percent.

The deal came after Vietnam passed a decree in April to allow foreign banks to own 15 percent of a domestic commercial bank, which may be increased further to 20 percent after approval from the government.

HSBC is the first foreign bank to receive the approval for a 15 percent strategic investment and said it intends to subscribe for new shares to increase its stake to 20 percent.

HSBC said the purchase will strengthen its position in emerging markets.

"Raising our investment in Techcombank will allow us to expand our presence in one of Asia's fastest growing economies and reflects our focus on emerging markets," HSBC chairman Vincent Cheng said in a statement over the weekend.

He added that HSBC has committed 13.5 million dollars to support the agreements on technical service assistance over a five-year period.

Founded in 1993, Techcombank is one of Vietnam's largest joint stocks banks, with assets totalling 1.5 billion dollars.
 

AFP 

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Mon Jul  9 05:10:27 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:10:27 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Australian bank buys into Vietnam's SSI
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF41520@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Australian bank buys into Vietnam's SSI
07-09-2007, 03h14
SYDNEY (AFP)

 


 
Australia's ANZ bank said Monday it would take a 10 percent stake in Vietnam's Saigon Securities Inc (SSI) for 88 million US dollars as it presses ahead with its expansion into Asia.

SSI is a leading securities and investment banking company in Vietnam, established in 2000 and listed on the Hanoi Stock Trading Centre.

The Australia and New Zealand Banking Group, Australia's third largest bank, said the investment would enable it to play a broader role in the development of the banking sector in Vietnam.

ANZ already has retail and institutional businesses in Vietnam and holds a 10 percent stake in Sacombank, the country's leading commercial bank.

The latest investment comes before the former head of HSBC's Asian operations, Hong Kong-based Michael Smith, takes over as ANZ chief executive on October 1.

Smith's appointment, announced last month, was viewed as confirming ANZ's Asian expansion ambitions. Incumbent John McFarlane retires on September 30 after 10 years in the job.

ANZ last month also appointed Alex Thursby from Standard Chartered Bank to head its new Asia-Pacific division.

ANZ senior managing director Bob Edgar said in a statement that the strategic partnership with SSI would benefit ANZ's existing institutional capital markets business in the fast-growing Vietnamese economy.

The two companies had been cooperating for some time on corporate bond issues for large Vietnamese companies, he said.

The investment remains subject to SSI obtaining regulatory approvals.

ANZ was one of the first foreign banks to operate in Vietnam, opening a branch in 1993. It said it regards expansion in the country as one of its highest priorities.
 

AFP 

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Mon Jul  9 05:12:28 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:12:28 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Vietnam coach plays down shock win
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF41521@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Vietnam coach plays down shock win 
Sun Jul 8, 11:21 PM ET
 


HANOI (AFP) - Vietnam coach Alfred Riedl played down soaring expectations after their stunning Asian Cup win over United Arab Emirates, insisting the co-hosts were lucky and urging fans to brace for disappointment. 


 
Vietnam, playing their first Asian Cup in 47 years, shocked the Gulf Cup champions 2-0 in front of a raucous crowd here on Sunday to take an early lead in Group B.

"We were the outsiders at the start, but there are still two games to go and you never know what can happen. There may still be disappointment," warned the 57-year-old Austrian, in his third stint as Vietnam coach since 1998.

"We need a little luck to win close matches and we got a little luck, sometimes you need a bit of luck," he said.

Bunched in a competitive group including defending champions Japan and Asian Games winners Qatar, Vietnam had looked set for failure.

But Riedl had warned his players were capable of an upset after an encouraging recent run including friendly wins over Jamaica and Bahrain.

Vietnam, half of whom were under-23 players, shrugged off a shaky start to down the Gulf visitors with second-half goals from defender Huynh Quang Thanh and striker Le Cong Vinh, the domestic player of the year.

The UAE, upbeat from their first Gulf Cup win last January under French coach Bruno Metsu, missed plentiful scoring chances with striker Ismaeli Matar, the Gulf Cup's most valuable player, failing to produce from free-kicks.

"It was an exciting match in which we scored twice when many people were expecting it to be a very hard job for Vietnam," said Riedl, whose coaching career has taken him to Saudi Arabia, Morocco and Egypt, among others.

Metsu, who led Senegal to the 2002 World Cup quarter-finals, said UAE still had a chance to qualify for the second round, recalling their Gulf Cup triumph after losing their first match against Oman.

"We missed many opportunities to open the score," he said. "It was difficult because we needed to play with the fans, with the pressure."

"We will try to win the next game for sure. You know, in football, everything is possible when you believe," said the 53-year-old Muslim convert.

Vietnam will play Qatar on Thursday and the UAE face Japan on Friday.

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Mon Jul  9 05:25:19 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:25:19 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Hong Kong investors looking to Vietnam
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF41522@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Hong Kong investors looking to Vietnam
By Olivia Chung 
Asia Times July 9, 2007

HONG KONG - Capital flows to where the profits are. As taxation and production costs increase on mainland China, more Hong Kong enterprises are eyeing Vietnam for investment opportunities following the Southeast Asian country's accession to the World Trade Organization (WTO) in January. 

In order to capture the fresh business opportunities, Peter Woo Kwong-ching, chairman of the government-affiliated Hong Kong



Trade Development Council (TDC) led a 17-member Hong Kong business delegation to Vietnam on June 18-21. The TDC delegation, with representatives from Hong Kong's clothing, jewelry, financial, logistics and electric appliance sectors, visited Hanoi before going to Ho Chi Minh City. 

In Hanoi, the delegation met with Vietnam Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung, who said overseas investment was an integral component of Vietnam's economic development and his government would provide favorable conditions for Hong Kong investors, particularly in the financial, banking, insurance, securities, shipping and manufacturing sectors. 

Earlier, the delegation was briefed by Vietnamese Minister of Trade Truong Dinh Tuyen and Vice-minister of Planning and Investment Nguyen Bich Dat on the latest developments in Vietnam, including laws recently introduced to create a more effective business environment in the country. 

Woo said Vietnam's competitive labor force and its competitiveness as a manufacturing base, particularly for garments and electronics, have drawn attention from Hong Kong businessmen. 

Trade between Vietnam and Hong Kong in January-September, 2006, grew 19.5% to US$2.1 billion. In the same period, Vietnam absorbed more than US$600 million foreign direct investment (FDI) from Hong Kong, which was the largest among all foreign investments in the country. 

Light-industry manufacturing and real estate, such as hotels and commercial and residential buildings, seem to be Hong Kong investors' favorites, jointly accounting for over 75% of Hong Kong FDI between 1998 and 2005, according to a TDC study on Vietnam. 

The study said that Hong Kong companies should consider investing there due to its growing access to the world's top trading nations, especially the US. Foreign investment in Vietnam continues to grow unabated. Last year, the country attracted a record US$10.2 billion. In the first five months of this year, the country attracted US$4.28 billion, 18.7% up from the same period last year. Its government expected up to US$20 billion to come in this year. 

In March, Vietnam's government said that the country's economy had expanded 7.7% in the first quarter, up 7.2% from the same period last year. Overall, the country's economy grew 8.2% last year, and its government is targeting growth this year of 8.5% 

Vietnam's deputy prime minister Nguyen Sinh Hung told the World Economic Forum on East Asia on June 24 that the country looks set to sustain economic growth of between 8% and 10% yearly till at least 2020. 

Hung said the country's economy is expected to double by 2010 from 441.6 trillion dong in 2000, and that will increase twofold by 2020. 

Dao Quoc Khanh, commercial consul of the Vietnam Trade Office in Hong Kong, said Vietnam's economic growth is sustainable as the communist country attracts more foreign investment with plans to cut taxes and amend laws such as enterprise law and investment law. 

He said the country has a cost-competitive labor force; the monthly salary of low-skilled labor is at least US$100, higher than the minimum salary level of US$70. 

"Of a total population of 86 million in Vietnam, 75% are youngsters who have received a better education, particularly those with a university degree can speak English, which can help solve the communication problem where foreigners are concerned," he said. 

Hong Kong-listed automobile equipment manufacturer Zhongda International Holdings is setting up its first overseas plant for the production of truck chassis and special purpose vehicles in a US$60 million joint venture with the state-owned vehicle manufacturer, Vietnam Motors Industry. 

"The Vietnamese government invites us to manufacture vehicles after knowing that we can make good value-for-money ones, which also can meet the standard requirement for vehicles in Vietnam," said Allan Kwok, executive director of Zhongda, which has been selling car maintenance equipment in Vietnam for more than five years. The annual production capacity of the joint venture is 5,000 buses, 20,000 framed chassis with engine and 10,000 bare chassis. 

The Vietnamese government intends to turn auto manufacturing into a pillar industry, and Kwok said the potential market for the automotive and parts industry is great. In Vietnam, vehicles including passenger cars are mostly second-hand or assembled there with imported parts. But the prices are not cheap and supplies aren't stable due to the necessity of importing part. 

"The market is huge for the first vehicle manufacturing company in Vietnam, Kwok said. Part of the reason is because transport companies seldom switch to other vehicle manufacturers once they make the first orders, he added. 

Zhongda is still talking with a provincial Vietnamese government about further tax cuts, such as tax holidays. The plant will be set up in the special economic zone (SEZ) covering China's Guangxi province and part of Vietnam. At present, taxes for vehicle assembling companies and vehicles manufacturers in Vietnam are 18% and 10% resepectively. 

One prime concern for Zhongda is the poor Vietnamese road system, but he said the government has promised to improve the national infrastructure. "A 'highway' in Vietnam can be a single-lane road for two-way traffic ... but the government has pledged to make improvements, for example: build an expressway in the SEZ. We hope it can start soon," he said. 

Another Hong Kong company, listed construction giant Chun Wo Holdings, is also in Vietnam, working on a multi-purpose property development project in Ho Chi Minh City. Eddie Yeung, director of Chun Wo, said the company invests in Vietnam due to the company's desire to diversify, the close proximity to China and the positive economic outlook. 

"The local partner we have been working with is great," Yeung said. "They have given us very useful advice on designing residential flats and consumer tastes in Vietnam. Our presale flats have attracted an enthusiastic market response," he said. "It's not easy to find a good local partner, so we are thinking of working with them again on any new projects," said Yeung, who described a good local partner as "a walking stick" for his company in exploring the new market. 

The demand for property development in Vietnam is strong, Yeung said. He and Kowk said the country is much like China in the late '70s and early '80s, with many opportunities, including a large, competitive lower-paid labor force, for investors to get the first slice of a potentially huge market. 

Olivia Chung is a senior Asia Times Online reporter. 

From romibleue at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 22:08:46 2007
From: romibleue at gmail.com (Romi)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:08:46 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Viet Cabinet shake-up to get party leaders' nod (The
	Straits Times)
Message-ID: <732b2fa30707092208i2ed78901ne2e1dd1450f03003@mail.gmail.com>

FYI ~

THE STRAITS TIMES, July 7, 2007

*Viet Cabinet shake-up to get party leaders' nod*

More young and dynamic ministers to raise the country's profile

By Roger Mitton

HANOI - LEADERS of Vietnam's ruling communist party are meeting to
approve a radical Cabinet shake-up and consolidate the agenda of Prime
Minister Nguyen Tan Dung.

Mr Dung will also use the current two-week party plenum to tighten
controls on the media and reform the bureaucracy.

His bold changes are designed to cement the party's hold on power and
confirm his position as the man in charge of modern-day Vietnam.

Diplomatic sources refer to his imminent shake-up as a power play by Mr
Dung, who has been a dynamo of activity after completing a year in
office last month.

His grand plans include elevating the Western-trained Education
Minister Nguyen Thien Nhan to be a Deputy Prime Minister and the new Foreign
Minister.

As The Straits Times reported last week, Mr Nhan's promotion to a DPM
post is a surprising development since he has been a full minister for
only one year.

But his concurrent move to take over the Foreign Ministry has stunned
observers even more, although most diplomats have applauded the
expected transfer.

Said one Western diplomat: 'Mr Nhan is articulate, Harvard-educated,
speaks English and German, and he's comfortable with diplomats and
foreign leaders. He is replacing a diffident, Czech-educated steel
expert. That says it all.'

The wide-ranging reshuffle will induct more youthful and outgoing
leaders who will boost Vietnam's international profile and help integrate it
more with the global economy.

The number of deputy PMs is expected to increase from three to five,
while the number of Cabinet posts will be reduced from 29 to 22.

Taking over Mr Nhan's education portfolio will be Mr Pham Thanh Binh,
another English-language speaker who is currently the director of Ho
Chi Minh City National University.

Another of Mr Nhan's fellow young technocrats, Industry Minister Hoang
Trung Hai, who attended university in Ireland, will also be promoted to
DPM.

Taking over at the enlarged Trade and Industry Ministry will be a new
face in the Cabinet, Mr Vu Huy Hoang, currently party boss in Lang Son
province, bordering China.

Most of the new ministers admire Singapore and want to develop
comparable standards of administrative efficiency in Vietnam.

Although the reshuffle is one of the most radical in Vietnam's history,
it is expected to be enthusiastically approved by the plenum's 160
party leaders drawn from across the nation.

Mr Dung will benefit from recent changes in party rules that make him
the first premier able to name his own Cabinet, although he will need to be
careful not to upset too many members of the party's old guard.

Said Mr Nguyen Tran Bat, chairman of Investconsult, a business advisory
group: 'I'm very pleased that the Prime Minister is going to reshuffle
his Cabinet to promote more dynamic young ministers. But he will need
to be very skilful in making these big changes.'

Following Mr Dung's wishes, the plenum is also expected to approve
measures to further circumscribe Vietnam's already restricted domestic
media.

The Prime Minister first revealed these new limits on May 28, when he
ruled that unauthorised civil servants cannot 'speak to the public or
provide information to the press'.

Most editors have said they can live with the new controls.

Said Mr Nguyen Dai Phuong, world news editor of Tien Phong newspaper:
'Vietnam is still an undeveloped nation and it will take time for us to
mature. So the demand for a free press at this time is unreasonable.'

But others argue that Mr Dung's government already shackles the media
too much.

Said Mr Bat: 'They go too far and their censorship is not consistent
with the advancement of the country and it has constrained creativity that
would help Vietnam develop faster.'



-- 
~ Romi ~
http://romibleue.wordpress.com/about/
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From duyennv at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 00:38:25 2007
From: duyennv at gmail.com (Duyen Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:38:25 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Hanoi must make choices
In-Reply-To: <d355d2970707070705u42aaea18g9f12250a061582ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <552283.91477.qm@web50308.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<fe5aabf50707070349m357ddd8au27b4c22b29e7a98c@mail.gmail.com>
	<d355d2970707070705u42aaea18g9f12250a061582ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <547dd0ea0707100038g3bc543d1s1877182c4aeff554@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

Interesting to see this artilce in the NYT. Some people quoted here actually
they are working for our Clean Air Project.

For long, I think that in order to protect environment, technology is NOT
important as you more or less have technology available. More importantly,
envrionment can be and can ONLY be protect and nurtured by politic.  If the
politicians have no incentives to implement sound environemtn management
measures, there is no hope for enviornment improvement.

By the way, this morning we have a meeting with Hanoi Department of Natural
Reources, Environmetn and Hosung to introduce the Air Quality Management
Action Plan. Hopefully that we can do soemthing to improve air quality in
Hanoi.

Before the air beomce too dirty, please take a deep deep breath!

cheers
Duyen

On 7/7/07, Hai M. Tran <outlook124 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> Dear bro Chuck,
>
> Thanks very much, bro Chuck,
>
>
> Hai
>
>
> On 7/7/07, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear CACC,
> >
> > FYI.
> >
> > Thanks, Chuck.
> >
> > Hoanh
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Chuck Searcy < chucksearcy at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Jul 7, 2007 2:56 AM
> > Subject: Hanoi must make choices
> > To: Hoang Cong Thuy < hcthuy at fpt.vn>, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com>,
> > Nguyen Hong Hai < hhaiahh at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: Tran Gia Quang <giaquang at gmail.com>, Duong Trong Hue <tronghue76 at gmail.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > *New York Times  *
> > July 7, 2007
> > The Economy and the Traffic Are Humming in Hanoi, but the Price Is
> > Dirtier Air
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> > Washington DC
> > _______________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe, please contact admins at
> > vnbizadmin at vietlinks.net
> > Info at http://mail.saigon.com/mailman/listinfo/vnbiz
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> > or http://groups-beta.google.com/group/VNBIZforum/
> > or http://mail.saigon.com/pipermail/vnbiz
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Hai M. Tran, LL.B.
> Hanoi, Vietnam
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
With best regards

Nguyen Van Duyen
Master of Environment Law (Sydney)
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From lien.bb at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 03:18:26 2007
From: lien.bb at gmail.com (Bui Bich Lien)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:18:26 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Hanoi must make choices
In-Reply-To: <547dd0ea0707100038g3bc543d1s1877182c4aeff554@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46935d4e.27ed720a.5795.ffff8789@mx.google.com>

How about community/civil society actions?  Any hope for that?  Or they too
depend on the politicians?

 

 

  _____  

From: vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com [mailto:vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com]
On Behalf Of Duyen Nguyen
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:38 PM
To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net
Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Hanoi must make choices

 

Dear all,

 

Interesting to see this artilce in the NYT. Some people quoted here actually
they are working for our Clean Air Project. 

 

For long, I think that in order to protect environment, technology is NOT
important as you more or less have technology available. More importantly,
envrionment can be and can ONLY be protect and nurtured by politic.  If the
politicians have no incentives to implement sound environemtn management
measures, there is no hope for enviornment improvement. 

 

By the way, this morning we have a meeting with Hanoi Department of Natural
Reources, Environmetn and Hosung to introduce the Air Quality Management
Action Plan. Hopefully that we can do soemthing to improve air quality in
Hanoi. 

Before the air beomce too dirty, please take a deep deep breath!

 

cheers

Duyen

 

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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 11:36:24 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:36:24 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Hanoi must make choices
In-Reply-To: <46935d4e.27ed720a.5795.ffff8789@mx.google.com>
References: <547dd0ea0707100038g3bc543d1s1877182c4aeff554@mail.gmail.com>
	<46935d4e.27ed720a.5795.ffff8789@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50707101136j32cfc8b9gcf767e5e410e4ae1@mail.gmail.com>

Dear CACC,

Chi Bich Lien makes a lot of sense.  Shouldn't the Hanoians themselves start
to worry and work on the air they breathe instead of simply waiting for
politicians.  If you trust politicians, you must be so gullible beyond cure
:-(

How about the students and young professionals who want to practice
activism?  How about organizing a project, say, "Hanoi Clean-Air"?  As long
as you get together in a group and talk about it, you will know what to do,
including getting the people to be involved and the politicians to move.

Have a great day!

Hoanh


On 7/10/07, Bui Bich Lien <lien.bb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
>  How about community/civil society actions?  Any hope for that?  Or they
> too depend on the politicians?
>
-- 
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC
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From tdang2006 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 12:39:28 2007
From: tdang2006 at gmail.com (Tram Dang)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:39:28 -0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Local Non-Government Organizations in Vietnam:
	Development, Civil Society and State-society Relations
In-Reply-To: <741a234c0707081951h299eda9dt348f716991379ca9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fe5aabf50707081909v488836ebg6e0f6a5b978b9eb1@mail.gmail.com>
	<741a234c0707081951h299eda9dt348f716991379ca9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <728d19f0707101239j4e815eeci42f8805dfd80466b@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to echo chi Dieu Anh's thank.  Thanks anh Hoanh & anh Hai for
sharing the information.  Very interesting read.

Tram


On 7/8/07, LeDieu Anh <a.ledieu at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> Dear bros Hoanh and Hai,
>
> Thank you for posting such an interesting information.
>
> have a great day,
> Anh
>
> On 7/9/07, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear CACC,
> >
> > This dissertation on Civil Society in Vietnam is very good.  Should be
> > read entirely.  It is at
> >
> > http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20dissertationTOC.htm
> >
> >
> > Below is its table of content, posted on VNPH by brother Hai.  Thanks,
> > Hai.
> >
> > A side note:  Joseph and Dieu Hien, his wife, have been working on
> > Vietnam issues for a long time.  (I think I met them both in Hanoi when I
> > was there in 1995).  Both were in VNForum before we merged VNForum into
> > VNBIZ.
> >
> > Have a great day!
> >
> > Hoanh
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Tran Manh Hai < hai124 at gmail.com>
> > Date: Jul 8, 2007 9:45 PM
> > Subject: [VNPH Family] "Local Non-Government Organizations in Vietnam:
> > Development, Civil Society and State-society Relations"
> > To: VNPH at mail.saigon.com
> >
> >
> > [Vietnam Public Health Forum]
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear brothers and sisters,
> >
> > Below is the abstract and table of contents of the dissertation entitled
> > "Local Non-government Organization in Vietnam: Development, Civil Society
> > and State-society Relations" by Joseph Hannah, Department of Geography,
> > Univ. of Washington (Seattle). This is the university where sis. Hoang T.
> > Dieu Hien is working. Sis Hien is a member of VNPH.
> >
> > Have a great day,
> >
> >
> > Hai
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > *Local Non-Government Organizations in Vietnam:*
> >
> > *Development, Civil Society and State-society Relations *
> >
> >
> >
> > by
> >
> > Joseph Hannah
> >
> > Department of Geography
> >
> > University of Washington (Seattle)
> >
> >  2007
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Chair of the Supervisory Committee:*
> >
> > Dr Lucy Jarosz
> >
> >
> >
> >  *Abstract *
> >
> >
> >
> > This dissertation explores the fascinating ways the concept of civil
> > society is understood in Vietnam, its place in Vietnamese political
> > ideology, the conflicts around its deployment by international donors, and
> > particularly its daily manifestations through local, non-profit,
> > non-government development organizations, the so-called Vietnamese NGOs. My
> > goal is to challenge the dominant definitions in current civil society
> > theory, particularly those definitions used by international development
> > actors. By challenging these dominant definitions, I look for understandings
> > and insights that better explain the empirical data I collected in my
> > fieldwork. In the process, I argue for a new manner of characterizing civil
> > society based on activities and roles of both state and non-state actors
> > instead of on institutions such as "autonomous associations." By looking at
> > what each actor *does* ? using a "logic of actions" ? rather than what
> > each actor *is* ? using  a "logic of domains" ? we can begin to see
> > forms of civil society that are obscured by structural definitions. This new
> > manner of approaching civil society can help overcome much of the
> > Euro-centric bias in both mainstream theories of civil society and in the
> > application of civil society through international development projects,
> > allowing for a broader understanding of state-society relations in Vietnam
> > and other places in the world.
> > ---
> >
> >
> >
> > *Table of Contents*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Abstract<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20abstract.htm>
> >
> >
> >
> >    Dedication<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20dedication.pdf>
> >
> >
> > Acknowledgements<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20acknowledgements.pdf>
> >
> >
> > Introduction<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20introduction.pdf>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chapter 1: Approaching Civil Society in Vietnam
> > <http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%201%20-%20Introduction%20final.pdf>
> >
> > Recognizing Civil Society
> >
> > Civil Society Theory and International Development
> >
> > Civil Society, Development and Vietnamese NGOs
> >
> > Conclusion
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chapter 2: Methodology<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%202%20-%20Methodology%20final.pdf>
> >
> > Introduction
> >
> > Research Questions
> >
> > Overview of My Research
> >
> > Ethnographic Field Techniques
> >
> > Research Constraints: An American Researcher, A Sensitive Topic
> >
> > Scope of Research: What I Didn't Do
> >
> > Conclusion
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chapter 3: Theoretical Foundations
> > <http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%203%20-%20Theoretical%20Foundations%20final.pdf>
> >
> > Introduction
> >
> > History and Current Debates in Civil Society
> >
> > Civil Society in Development
> >
> > A New Approach ? Civil Society Processes
> >
> > Conclusion
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chapter 4: Vietnamese Encounters with Civil Society
> > <http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%204%20-%20VNese%20ideas%20of%20CS%20final.pdf>
> >
> > Introduction
> >
> > Vietnamese Historical Encounters with Civil Society
> >
> > Vietnamese Translations of "Civil Society"
> >
> > Vietnamese Writers on Civil Society
> >
> > Conclusion: Traveling Theory, Vietnamese Voices
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chapter 5:* ??i M?i*, VNGOs and Prospects for a Vietnamese Civil Society
> >
> > <http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%205%20-%20VN%20context%20final.pdf>
> >
> > *??i M?i* and the Renegotiation of State-society Relations
> >
> > VNGOs, Civil Society and the Vietnamese State
> >
> > Registering VNGOs: Finding the Spaces between Party Lines
> >
> > Civil Society, Western Development Agencies and the Vietnamese State
> >
> > Conclusion
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chapter 6: "Autonomous," "Ambiguous" or "Amphibious": The
> > Cross-Colonization of State and Civil Society Organizations in Vietnam
> > <http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%206%20-%20Amphib%20final.pdf>
> >
> > Introduction
> >
> > Autonomy and the Work of Civil Society
> >
> > Empirical Lessons from Organizations in Vietnam
> >
> > Conclusions
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chapter 7: "Non-Political Professionals": Appropriate Civil Society
> > Roles for VNGOs
> > <http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%207%20Professionalism%20final.pdf>
> >
> >
> > Introduction: Ms Ni
> >
> > Professionalism
> >
> > Vietnamese-led Development
> >
> > When "Professional" Means "Non-Political"
> >
> > Conclusion: Civil Society Functions in Vietnam: "Appropriate Activities"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chapter 8: Concluding Remarks
> > <http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20--%20Ch%208%20Conclusions%20final.pdf>
> >
> > Recap: Civil Society and Vietnamese NGOs
> >
> > Contributions of this Dissertation
> >
> > Future Study
> >
> > Conclusion
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > References<http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20references.pdf>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Appendix: Bibliography of Civil Society and NGOs in Vietnam
> > <http://faculty.washington.edu/jhannah/dissertation/Hannah%20-%20CivilSocietyVN%20bib.pdf>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Hai M. Tran, LL.B.
> > Hanoi, Vietnam
> >
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> > Washington DC
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 16:22:57 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:22:57 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Welcome anh Francis Sarmiento into VNBIZ
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50707101622x64c09624td55dc594d43fabd5@mail.gmail.com>

Dear CACC,

Please jointo welcome Dr. Francis Sarmiento, III into out VNBIZ family.

Anh Francis is a Project Officer of the UNDP
International Open Source Network (IOSN) ASEAN+3.

IOSN is a United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) Centre of
Excellence in Free/Open Source Software (FOSS) for the Asia-Pacific
region. It was established by UNDP Asia Pacific Development
Information Programme (APDIP) in 2002 through the support of the
International Development Research Centre (IDRC) of Canada. Through a
virtual secretariat - and now a network of sub-regional centres, IOSN
South Asia (based in India), IOSN Pacific Islands Countries (Fiji),
and IOSN ASEAN+3 (Philippines), it shapes its activities around FOSS
technologies and applications; awareness and advocacy; and capacity
building initiatives.

IOSN ASEAN+3 sub-regional centre for the Southeast Asian countries is
based at the University of Philippines Manila. The geographical
mandate of IOSN ASEAN+3 encompasses Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos,
Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam, China,
Japan and Korea. IOSN ASEAN+3 is tasked specifically to facilitate and
network FOSS advocates, experts, and developers in these 13 countries
to foster the adoption of FOSS. The vision is to have developing
countries in these countries achieve rapid and sustained economic and
social development with the utilization of affordable yet effective
FOSS ICT solutions to bridge the digital divide.

Its website is at URL: http://www.iosn.net

Welcome in, Francis.  Glad you join us.  Open Source software is obviously a
major solution for developing countries to catch up with expensive
technology.  I hope that Vietnam will consider open source software
seriously. Please feel free to share your information often with us.  We do
have representatives of software companies here in our family.  We would be
happy to hear from you.

Have a great day, Francis and all.

BTW, Francis, CACC stands for ca'c anh ca'c chi. and it means "brothers and
sisters."

Hoanh

-- 
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC
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From francis.sarmiento3 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 10 17:18:09 2007
From: francis.sarmiento3 at yahoo.com (Francisco Sarmiento III)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:18:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vnbiz] INVITATION FOR FORUM SPEAKERS ON FOSS BUSINESS MODELS
Message-ID: <650148.14303.qm@web55407.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Dear Sir or Madam: 

The United Nations Development Program-International Open Source Network (IOSN) ASEAN+3, together with InWEnt Capacity Building International, Germany and NetNam Corporation will hold a Linux Training of Trainers on 30 July to 10 August 2007 at the Vietnam Academy of Science and Technology in Hanoi, Vietnam.

Along with this activity, a 2-day session on Introduction to Free/Open Source Software (FOSS) Business Models will be held on 30 to 31 July 2007. 

In this connection, may we invite speakers from the Vietnam business community with the following credentials: 

>> Vietnamese businessman whose main business is in Free/Open Source Software in any of the following areas: 
              services and support 
              product enhancement and customization 
              enabling hardware components  
              dual licensing 
              solution integration 
              lowering cost of end-of-life 
              training and certification

>> Be willing to share his/her experiences in building up a successful business by marketing FOSS 
>> Be able to motivate and inspire the participants and have the opportunity to promote your company. 
>> Be able to speak Vietnamese and English clearly. 


Why training on business models? 

Countries that want to adopt FOSS need to build capacity for ICT and FOSS by developing and increasing the pool of human resource skilled in FOSS application and development. Countries face several barriers that must be addressed simultaneously. These barriers include lack of local trainers and developers, high costs of training and 
certification, and lack of awareness in industry of the benefits of FOSS, FOSS trained human resource, as well as viable FOSS business models. 

Yet, as observed from IOSN's previous engagements, awareness and capacity development cannot be endpoints in and of themselves. A nurturing ICT ecosystem must exist wherein suppliers and end users of FOSS products and services are able to understand each other's roles and support each other's needs. 

Should you be interested to participate as a RESOURCE SPEAKER, please send us your information ON or BEFORE 20 July 2007, as follows: 

Name: 
Company: 
Company profile: 
Address: 
Official designation: 
Product line: 
Email:
Mobile telephone number: 
Telefax number: 

Please send the above information to asean3 [at] iosn [dot] net with a Subject: Speaker for FOSS Business Models. 

Please indicate your preferred topic related to Introduction to FOSS Business Models. 

Should you have further questions, please email us at asean3 [at] iosn [dot] net 

Thank you very much to your interest and attention. 


Yours truly,

Francisco E. Sarmiento III, MD 
Project Officer 
UNDP-International Open Source Network (IOSN) ASEAN+3 

3rd Floor I.T. Complex 
PGH Compound, Taft Avenue 
1000 MANILA, Philippines 

Work: 632.525.6501 
Mobile: 63.915.850.1111 
Fax: 632.525.6501 
http://www.iosn.net


       
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From duyennv at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 20:33:21 2007
From: duyennv at gmail.com (Duyen Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:33:21 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Hanoi must make choices
In-Reply-To: <fe5aabf50707101136j32cfc8b9gcf767e5e410e4ae1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <547dd0ea0707100038g3bc543d1s1877182c4aeff554@mail.gmail.com>
	<46935d4e.27ed720a.5795.ffff8789@mx.google.com>
	<fe5aabf50707101136j32cfc8b9gcf767e5e410e4ae1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <547dd0ea0707112033q747a1db8tb3869b609b0248ba@mail.gmail.com>

Dear CACC,
I would love to see how the civil society can do in environment in general
and in clean air in Hanoi in particular.
Recently, in the Vietnam innovation day, SDC joined the World Bank gave
award to an NGO (Action for Urban) to do a campaing for *NO motorbke day* (
4.6.2008) Please support us. I would love to see more such initiatives.
best


On 7/11/07, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> Dear CACC,
>
> Chi Bich Lien makes a lot of sense.  Shouldn't the Hanoians themselves
> start to worry and work on the air they breathe instead of simply waiting
> for politicians.  If you trust politicians, you must be so gullible beyond
> cure :-(
>
> How about the students and young professionals who want to practice
> activism?  How about organizing a project, say, "Hanoi Clean-Air"?  As long
> as you get together in a group and talk about it, you will know what to do,
> including getting the people to be involved and the politicians to move.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Hoanh
>
>
> On 7/10/07, Bui Bich Lien <lien.bb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> >  How about community/civil society actions?  Any hope for that?  Or they
> > too depend on the politicians?
> >
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
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-- 
With best regards

Nguyen Van Duyen
Master of Environment Law (Sydney)
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From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Thu Jul 12 04:34:13 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:34:13 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Viets too short, says coach Riedl
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF4154B@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Thursday July 12, 2007


Viets too short, says coach Riedl

HANOI: Vietnam coach Alfred Riedl believes his Asian minnow side would have found their place in the international limelight if they were 10cm (four inches) taller. 

"How can you make our players bigger?" the Austrian coach sighed when asked how the unfancied co-hosts will cope with Qatar today following their 2-0 upset of the United Arab Emirates in their Asian Cup opener. 

"When you are unlucky, you get three heading goals and there's nothing you can do. We're too short and we know this," said Riedl. "That's the reason why we have problems in coming to the international level." 

Riedl cited his team's average height at around 170cm (5ft 5ins) against 182cm (5ft 9ins) for the other teams. 

"When we play against Arab teams, they always have five to eight players taller than us," he said. "This creates danger when there is a cross or a free-kick from the side or a corner." - AFP 

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Thu Jul 12 04:35:35 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:35:35 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Vietnam's trade deficit
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF4154C@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Vietnam's trade deficit

HANOI, July 9: Vietnam's trade deficit this year is forecast to reach $8 billion as demand for machinery, equipment and raw materials remains strong, an official report said on Monday.

Although the figure is high, it is still "acceptable for a developing economy on its way to international integration," said an online report released by the ministry of trade's planning and investment department.

"In the long run, the import of machinery, equipment and materials for production will be a necessary step for overall economic development," it said.

In the first half of this year, Vietnam's trade deficit was estimated at $4.78 billion. -AFP

From phothu at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 12 10:23:24 2007
From: phothu at yahoo.com (Pho Minh Thu)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:23:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vnbiz] Insurance Concept
Message-ID: <444510.81184.qm@web54507.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear CACC, 
  I am working on the translation of the Product Capability Manual, which is named as Intergrated Insurance Management Solution. Thus, it requires me to have deep understanding of both the Insurance Industry and Information Technology Sector. 
  However, I am good at neither of them :)
  Is there any bro/sister in VNBiz forum could help me to translate this Word into Vietnamese? That is "Takaful" and "Retakaful". Thxs to Mr. Wikipedia, I did find out the explanation of these words but could not know what it should be translated into Vietnamese. 
  Anyone who work in the related fields could answer me? I would highly appreciate your help. 
  Many thanks!
  Yours sincerely, 
  Pho Thu
   

 
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From Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov  Thu Jul 12 15:04:31 2007
From: Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov (Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:04:31 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Insurance Concept
In-Reply-To: <444510.81184.qm@web54507.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OFA617BC36.963ADFEF-ON85257316.007884B5-85257316.00794377@mail.doc.gov>

I don't think there is a direct translation.  The closest concept in 
Vietnamese is "hu.i".
You may have to use a descriptive phrase such as "mo^ hi`nh (ta'i) ba?o 
hie^?m tu+o+ng tro+. theo Ho^`i gia'o"
HPP




Pho Minh Thu <phothu at yahoo.com> 
Sent by: vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com
07/12/2007 01:23 PM
Please respond to
vnbiz at vietlinks.net


To
vnbiz at vietlinks.net
cc

Subject
[Vnbiz] Insurance Concept






[ Vietnam Business Forum ]

Dear CACC, 
I am working on the translation of the Product Capability Manual, which is 
named as Intergrated Insurance Management Solution. Thus, it requires me 
to have deep understanding of both the Insurance Industry and Information 
Technology Sector. 
However, I am good at neither of them :)
Is there any bro/sister in VNBiz forum could help me to translate this 
Word into Vietnamese? That is "Takaful" and "Retakaful". Thxs to Mr. 
Wikipedia, I did find out the explanation of these words but could not 
know what it should be translated into Vietnamese. 
Anyone who work in the related fields could answer me? I would highly 
appreciate your help. 
Many thanks!
Yours sincerely, 
Pho Thu
 
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From tranbathien at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 17:06:31 2007
From: tranbathien at gmail.com (Tran Ba Thien)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:06:31 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Viets too short, says coach Riedl
References: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF4154B@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>
Message-ID: <003601c7c4e1$ae208140$0100a8c0@BATHIEN>

that dang ghet,

khong gian nhung ma ghet. Boi vi cai tat den hen lai xu tro thanh ban tinh 
roi. Ngay nao con gap thi con phai chap nhan cai tat ay,

That dang ghet
Tran Ba Thien
tranbathien at gmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phan, Tai" <Tai.Phan at ed.gov>
To: <vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:34 PM
Subject: [Vnbiz] Viets too short, says coach Riedl


>[ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> Thursday July 12, 2007
>
>
> Viets too short, says coach Riedl
>
> HANOI: Vietnam coach Alfred Riedl believes his Asian minnow side would 
> have found their place in the international limelight if they were 10cm 
> (four inches) taller.
>
> "How can you make our players bigger?" the Austrian coach sighed when 
> asked how the unfancied co-hosts will cope with Qatar today following 
> their 2-0 upset of the United Arab Emirates in their Asian Cup opener.
>
> "When you are unlucky, you get three heading goals and there's nothing you 
> can do. We're too short and we know this," said Riedl. "That's the reason 
> why we have problems in coming to the international level."
>
> Riedl cited his team's average height at around 170cm (5ft 5ins) against 
> 182cm (5ft 9ins) for the other teams.
>
> "When we play against Arab teams, they always have five to eight players 
> taller than us," he said. "This creates danger when there is a cross or a 
> free-kick from the side or a corner." - AFP
> _______________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe, please contact admins at
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> or http://mail.saigon.com/pipermail/vnbiz 


From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 08:30:44 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:30:44 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Hanoi must make choices
In-Reply-To: <552283.91477.qm@web50308.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <552283.91477.qm@web50308.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50707130830p26abed22xb0273f599d4b037a@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Previously I sent the following message (with an attached file named NY
Times...)  to VNBIZ.  But now thinking about it, shouldn't air pollution a
public health issue?

On a more fundamental issue, shouldn't many environment problems, such as
air pollution, water pollution, public health issues?  If that is so, then
shouldn't public health professionals tackle many issues that traditionally
have been within the sole responsibility of environment professionals?
Shouldn't environment professionals work closely with public health
professionals, especially at the policy level?

Have a great day!

Hoanh

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Chuck Searcy <chucksearcy at yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 7, 2007 2:56 AM
Subject: Hanoi must make choices
To: Hoang Cong Thuy <hcthuy at fpt.vn>, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com>,
Nguyen Hong Hai <hhaiahh at hotmail.com>
Cc: Tran Gia Quang <giaquang at gmail.com>, Duong Trong Hue <
tronghue76 at gmail.com>


*New York Times  *
July 7, 2007
The Economy and the Traffic Are Humming in Hanoi, but the Price Is Dirtier
Air



-- 
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC
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From duongphh at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jul 13 08:53:05 2007
From: duongphh at yahoo.co.uk (Pham Hoang Duong)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:53:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Vnbiz] Vietnam public holidays
Message-ID: <7264.33862.qm@web25910.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Dear CACC,

Could you let me know where can I find some government weblinks on public holidays in Vietnam pls? I know it is available on the web but not government related.

Many thanks!
 
Pham Hoang Duong
 
Maersk Broker Singapore
 
 










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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 13:18:07 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:18:07 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
In-Reply-To: <fe5aabf50707131312idc32252u61450e8b63b78395@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fe5aabf50707131312idc32252u61450e8b63b78395@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear CACC,

Let me continue this never-ending leadership series by asking everyone a
simple question.  This question is used as a general survey on what our
common-sense idea about leadership is.

The question is:  *What are you looking for in your leader? *

Think about one person who is your leader, say, your university president,
your minister, your mayor (chu tich HDND of your city), or president of your
company.  What kinds of thing you would want him/her to have?  I say "kind
of thing" to make it very broad, as broad as you want it to be to cover
whatever you want it to be.
Please note, I say "Think about ONE person as your leader"  So please think
about a very specific person, not personS as you leaderS.

Would you all please kindly give me a hand by just posting here the things
that you would want your leader to have, in the order of importance to you.
This is not a true or false question.  There is no true or false answer
here.

Thanks a million in advance.  Have a great day!

Hoanh


-- 
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC
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From tranbathien at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 16:19:47 2007
From: tranbathien at gmail.com (Tran Ba Thien)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 06:19:47 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
References: <fe5aabf50707131312idc32252u61450e8b63b78395@mail.gmail.com>
	<fe5aabf50707131318n53e6634w90d57cb6dee011b7@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear anh Hoanh,

It's very interesting issue. But it's very abstract and condense. When I want to tell you what I need my leader to do for me and for all, I figure out that I need to explain why I need those things from him.

Could you please analyse the question into smaller and more concrete issues? 


Tran Ba Thien
tranbathien at gmail.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tran Dinh Hoanh 
  To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net 
  Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 3:18 AM
  Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?


  [ Vietnam Business Forum ]




------------------------------------------------------------------------------


  Dear CACC,

  Let me continue this never-ending leadership series by asking everyone a simple question.  This question is used as a general survey on what our common-sense idea about leadership is. 

  The question is:  What are you looking for in your leader? 

  Think about one person who is your leader, say, your university president, your minister, your mayor (chu tich HDND of your city), or president of your company.  What kinds of thing you would want him/her to have?  I say "kind of thing" to make it very broad, as broad as you want it to be to cover whatever you want it to be. 

  Please note, I say "Think about ONE person as your leader"  So please think about a very specific person, not personS as you leaderS.

  Would you all please kindly give me a hand by just posting here the things that you would want your leader to have, in the order of importance to you.  This is not a true or false question.  There is no true or false answer here. 

  Thanks a million in advance.  Have a great day!

  Hoanh


  -- 
  Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
  Washington DC 


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From tranbathien at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 16:41:24 2007
From: tranbathien at gmail.com (Tran Ba Thien)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 06:41:24 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Fw:  Viets too short, says coach Riedl
Message-ID: <006901c7c5a7$55bae330$0100a8c0@BATHIEN>

Dear friends

I don't know why it was sent to this list. I need to scan my HDD. It must 
have been spy or worm.

sorry for this message
Tran Ba Thien
tranbathien at gmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tran Ba Thien" <tranbathien at gmail.com>
To: <vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Viets too short, says coach Riedl


> that dang ghet,
>
> khong gian nhung ma ghet. Boi vi cai tat den hen lai xu tro thanh ban tinh 
> roi. Ngay nao con gap thi con phai chap nhan cai tat ay,
>
> That dang ghet
> Tran Ba Thien
> tranbathien at gmail.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Phan, Tai" <Tai.Phan at ed.gov>
> To: <vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:34 PM
> Subject: [Vnbiz] Viets too short, says coach Riedl
>
>
>>[ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>>
>> Thursday July 12, 2007
>>
>>
>> Viets too short, says coach Riedl
>>
>> HANOI: Vietnam coach Alfred Riedl believes his Asian minnow side would 
>> have found their place in the international limelight if they were 10cm 
>> (four inches) taller.
>>
>> "How can you make our players bigger?" the Austrian coach sighed when 
>> asked how the unfancied co-hosts will cope with Qatar today following 
>> their 2-0 upset of the United Arab Emirates in their Asian Cup opener.
>>
>> "When you are unlucky, you get three heading goals and there's nothing 
>> you can do. We're too short and we know this," said Riedl. "That's the 
>> reason why we have problems in coming to the international level."
>>
>> Riedl cited his team's average height at around 170cm (5ft 5ins) against 
>> 182cm (5ft 9ins) for the other teams.
>>
>> "When we play against Arab teams, they always have five to eight players 
>> taller than us," he said. "This creates danger when there is a cross or a 
>> free-kick from the side or a corner." - AFP
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>> or http://mail.saigon.com/pipermail/vnbiz
> 


From admarshall at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 18:28:05 2007
From: admarshall at gmail.com (AD Marshall)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:28:05 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
In-Reply-To: <fe5aabf50707131318n53e6634w90d57cb6dee011b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fe5aabf50707131312idc32252u61450e8b63b78395@mail.gmail.com>
	<fe5aabf50707131318n53e6634w90d57cb6dee011b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <184392620707131828n69dcde9dw7ca781a670e4ed7d@mail.gmail.com>

A. Hoanh va CACC,

This is a welcome new angle on the Leadership thread.  Thanks.

I've inserted my first attempt at a listing of prioritized leadership
qualities in which i try limiting them a Top Ten of such qualities.  I'd
like to note that in compiling this list i was thinking most of what one
would ultimately need to lead humanity, not just one nation or another, in
this age of information and disinformation overload, over-population and
global US-led environmental and military crises.  See BeLow.

Top Ten Prioritized Leadership Qualities, ver 0.1
---------------------------------------------------------------
00. Wisdom (somewhat ineffable, but likely comprised of the following
qualities, several of which overlap or are interdependent)
01. Wit
02. Grace
03. Kindness
04. Resilience
05. Humble Intelligence
06. Open-minded Skepticism
07. Physical, Mental, Spiritual & Economic Fitness
08. Awareness of Contemporary Domestic and Global Issues
09. Reasonable Degree of Contemporary Legal, Scientific and Technological
Savvy

There is one quality i left out because i felt that if someone had all the
above, in these times, they would not be able to avoid have this quality as
well.  But i want to add it here, for those lesser souls among us who would
not intuitively deduce it: ie, a deep, abiding respect of and sense of
effective responsibility for the non-human world as a victim of humanity's
ongoing follies in the face of knowledge and technologies humanity has
irresponsibly exploited for its own self-centered, hedonistic ends.

-- 
AD (Andi) Marshall
Mobile: +84 (0) 903871313
eMail: admarshall at gmail.com
Zone: ICT (IndoChina Time, GMT/UTC+7)
Web: http://admarshall.googlepages.com/
Post: HoChiMinh City (ex/or SaiGon), VietNam
Quote: "Love all, trust a few. Do wrong to none..."
Source: Shakespeare, 1623, "All's Well That Ends Well"
Get it at Gutenberg: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/2246
GPG/PGP Public Keys online: http://cryptonomicon.mit.edu/

On 7/14/07, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
> Dear CACC,
>
> Let me continue this never-ending leadership series by asking everyone a
> simple question.  This question is used as a general survey on what our
> common-sense idea about leadership is.
>
> The question is:  *What are you looking for in your leader? *
>
> Think about one person who is your leader, say, your university president,
> your minister, your mayor (chu tich HDND of your city), or president of your
> company.  What kinds of thing you would want him/her to have?  I say "kind
> of thing" to make it very broad, as broad as you want it to be to cover
> whatever you want it to be.
> Please note, I say "Think about ONE person as your leader"  So
> please think about a very specific person, not personS as you leaderS.
>
> Would you all please kindly give me a hand by just posting here the things
> that you would want your leader to have, in the order of importance to you.
> This is not a true or false question.  There is no true or false answer
> here.
>
> Thanks a million in advance.  Have a great day!
>
> Hoanh
>
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
>
> _______________________________________________
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 19:52:12 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:52:12 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
In-Reply-To: <005801c7c5a4$50c51470$0100a8c0@BATHIEN>
References: <fe5aabf50707131312idc32252u61450e8b63b78395@mail.gmail.com>
	<fe5aabf50707131318n53e6634w90d57cb6dee011b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<005801c7c5a4$50c51470$0100a8c0@BATHIEN>
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50707131952m250d7a7cn50ef6c29101e289@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Brother Thien,

Sorry if I have been confusing to you.  I was looking for a list similar to
the list submitted by anh Andi Marshall.  Put it in a concrete example, I
would ask: If you have to vote for one among a number of candidates for the
National Assembly, what would you look for in a candidate in order to
convince yourself to vote for him (other than the typical solution:  Vote
for the least bad guys among all the bad guys :-)

Of if you have to vote for someone to be your president (of the country),
what kind of things in him would convince you to vote for him?

Hope that is clear enough, anh Thien.

Have a great day!

Hoanh


On 7/13/07, Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
>  Dear anh Hoanh,
>
> It's very interesting issue. But it's very abstract and condense. When I
> want to tell you what I need my leader to do for me and for all, I figure
> out that I need to explain why I need those things from him.
>
> Could you please analyse the question into smaller and more concrete
> issues?
>
>
> Tran Ba Thien
> tranbathien at gmail.com
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
>
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From tranbathien at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 20:50:23 2007
From: tranbathien at gmail.com (Tran Ba Thien)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:50:23 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
References: <fe5aabf50707131312idc32252u61450e8b63b78395@mail.gmail.com><fe5aabf50707131318n53e6634w90d57cb6dee011b7@mail.gmail.com><005801c7c5a4$50c51470$0100a8c0@BATHIEN>
	<fe5aabf50707131952m250d7a7cn50ef6c29101e289@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004401c7c5ca$23488790$0100a8c0@BATHIEN>

Dear anh Hoanh,

for the question of yours, I tell you my truth. That's what I really performed in every election in Vietnam.

I have no choice, nothing at all. My family members and I used to meet together then asked who might have time to go voting. Then we selected someone. The person would take our voter card to go to the voting place. The person would have no choice at all. He/she deleted some candidates accidentally then voted.

It's not my joke story. But It's my real. Sometime, I don't care the percentage of who have real choice and who have no choice in election. A few months ago, in the voting day for congress election, my friend was very busy. No one of his family could go voting. then his "to truong dan pho" came and asked his family gave him their voter cards. He did voting for them. 

Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the truth.

In my real life, I really don't have opportunity to choose and to vote my leader. The position is set up from above. But if you want to know my knowledge about how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many things. All of them come from my theory, my dream and nothing from my real. You might be surprised. I can understand your reaction. For me, my choice is not to select how to perform my democracy but what I can gain from this type of democracy. I feel ok. This type of society can give me enough opportunity to get paid, to get food and that's all. 

In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very simple. When the boy is 3 year you just give him 3-year clothes. When he is 10 you need to give him 10-year clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a 10-year clothes because it cannot meet his needs. Then the type of democracy is the same. I think we have talked about definition of democracy many times. In this issues, I don't want to talk about democracy but leadership. I have no choice in electing. Then I cannot give you a correct answer. I am very serious. I understand my answer doesn't meet your question correctly. But according to your words, I try to give my best.

best regards,
Tran Ba Thien
tranbathien at gmail.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tran Dinh Hoanh 
  To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net 
  Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 9:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?


  [ Vietnam Business Forum ]




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  Dear Brother Thien,

  Sorry if I have been confusing to you.  I was looking for a list similar to the list submitted by anh Andi Marshall.  Put it in a concrete example, I would ask: If you have to vote for one among a number of candidates for the National Assembly, what would you look for in a candidate in order to convince yourself to vote for him (other than the typical solution:  Vote for the least bad guys among all the bad guys :-) 

  Of if you have to vote for someone to be your president (of the country), what kind of things in him would convince you to vote for him?

  Hope that is clear enough, anh Thien.

  Have a great day!

  Hoanh

   
  On 7/13/07, Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com> wrote: 
    [ Vietnam Business Forum ]

     


    Dear anh Hoanh,

    It's very interesting issue. But it's very abstract and condense. When I want to tell you what I need my leader to do for me and for all, I figure out that I need to explain why I need those things from him. 

    Could you please analyse the question into smaller and more concrete issues? 


    Tran Ba Thien
    tranbathien at gmail.com
    -- 
    Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
    Washington DC 


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From duyennv at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 00:38:42 2007
From: duyennv at gmail.com (Duyen Nguyen)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:38:42 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Hanoi must make choices
In-Reply-To: <fe5aabf50707130830p26abed22xb0273f599d4b037a@mail.gmail.com>
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	<fe5aabf50707130830p26abed22xb0273f599d4b037a@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear a Hoanh,

You are right to say that envi problems are actually the issues of public
health. Regarding your question: Shouldn't environment professionals work
closely with public health professionals, especially at the policy level? I
would like to say that when we work in one project to improve the
environment condition at a craft village, it is hard for us to raise
awareness to the people there about the bad impacts of the pullution. Later
on: we sell the message that these envi pullution shall cause health problem
for people, especially for women and children. Then we collect information
on the abnormal born babies and everage life expectancy of that village to
compare with national evarage. People shock and then they stand up and are
convinced that they have to do smt to improve environment.

How you link poverty and environment: the best way is to do thru the eyes of
public health.

Thankyou anh Hoanh to pose very interesting questions for us: interlink
between envi and public health.

Have a nice day.
best regards

On 7/13/07, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> Dear Brothers and Sisters,
>
> Previously I sent the following message (with an attached file named NY
> Times...)  to VNBIZ.  But now thinking about it, shouldn't air pollution a
> public health issue?
>
> On a more fundamental issue, shouldn't many environment problems, such as
> air pollution, water pollution, public health issues?  If that is so, then
> shouldn't public health professionals tackle many issues that traditionally
> have been within the sole responsibility of environment professionals?
> Shouldn't environment professionals work closely with public health
> professionals, especially at the policy level?
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Hoanh
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Chuck Searcy <chucksearcy at yahoo.com>
> Date: Jul 7, 2007 2:56 AM
> Subject: Hanoi must make choices
> To: Hoang Cong Thuy <hcthuy at fpt.vn>, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com>,
> Nguyen Hong Hai < hhaiahh at hotmail.com>
> Cc: Tran Gia Quang <giaquang at gmail.com>, Duong Trong Hue <
> tronghue76 at gmail.com>
>
>
> *New York Times  *
> July 7, 2007
> The Economy and the Traffic Are Humming in Hanoi, but the Price Is Dirtier
> Air
>
>
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
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>


-- 
With best regards

Nguyen Van Duyen
Master of Environment Law (Sydney)
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From thquangvn at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 09:01:30 2007
From: thquangvn at gmail.com (Quang Tran Hai)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:01:30 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Vietnam public holidays
In-Reply-To: <7264.33862.qm@web25910.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <7264.33862.qm@web25910.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ea2c6eb0707140901l91a1280ga4ed773a383bba9d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi bro Duong,

You can try www.chinhphu.gov.vn

cheers,

Quang


On 13/07/07, Pham Hoang Duong <duongphh at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
>  Dear CACC,
>
> Could you let me know where can I find some government weblinks on public
> holidays in Vietnam pls? I know it is available on the web but not
> government related.
>
> Many thanks!
>
>    Pham Hoang Duong
>
> Maersk Broker Singapore
>
>
>
>
>
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 12:38:10 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:38:10 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Choosing job or choosing profession?
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50707141238s487f6a42gddb98d48fd444cbb@mail.gmail.com>

Dear CACC,

Below FYI  is the link to my short article entitled Chon Viec hay Chon Nghe
on the Viec Lam supplement of Lao Dong Newspaper that chi Nga` manages.

http://laodong.com.vn/Home/vieclam/2007/7/45285.laodong

Have a great day!

Hoanh

-- 
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 14:19:36 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:19:36 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Hanoi must make choices
In-Reply-To: <00f401c7c5cf$9e09c110$158689ca@Serge>
References: <552283.91477.qm@web50308.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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	<00f401c7c5cf$9e09c110$158689ca@Serge>
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Dear Serge & Brothers/Sisters,

Very interesting question, brother Serge.  Who would want to slow down
development?  I think we all know the answer:  No one.  It is impossible to
convince someone, least of all a developing country that is trying to get
out of poverty, to slow down development. It is a losing position to try to
convince people to slow down development.

Instead of trying to slow down, we must think about taking care of the
environment as development goes.  The truth of the matter is that in many
big cities of the world we have always had horrendous traffic jam and air
pollution, regardless how governments have tried to open new road and impose
stricter car exhaust standards.  That testifies to the natural fact that
development will always go one step ahead of environmental cleanup, just
like at home, we cook and eat and throw garbage around before we do house
cleaning.

So instead of trying to convince governments to slow down development, we
need to constantly come up with environment-friendly development ideas, like
focusing on eco-tourism and keeping the envrionment green instead of hotel
blocks and booze and gambling; focusing on public transportation like subway
and buses;  enforcing environmental regulations on factories, focusing on
waste management, running a constant "clean and beautiful city campaign,"
etc.

In this kind of task, it would be wise for environment advocates to work
with tourism and public health authorities (because environment directly
affects tourism and public health), self-help groups of citizens with
serious environment problems (such as communities adversely affected by a
major factory), consumer advocacy groups (who would be able to organize
campaigns to boycott environmentally abusive companies) and industry leaders
(who understand the wishes of a consuming public who is constantly getting
smarter by the time).

Instead of taking the position of "environment versus development," we need
to take the position of "environment-unfriendly development versus
environment friendly development."

Have a great day!

Hoanh

On 7/14/07, Serge Doussantousse <sergefabali at yahoo.fr> wrote:

> [Vietnam Public Health Forum]
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Family,
>
>
>
> I am always puzzled by such title: "Hanoi must make choices" But the
> question is *who, what is **Hanoi*... Economist, Publicist, Law Makers, UN
> officials Consumers, Citizens... are promoting / avid a kind of Development
> at all cost and there is not forum and space for alternatives... You ask the
> same people who are in power to do the opposite they were advocating 10-15
> years ago... Can they do it... Do they want?... Not sure?
>
>
>
> Thanks for the story?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Serge Doussantousse
> Research Consultant
> tel: 020 2418398
> home 856 21-21 41 49 19
> Vientiane-- Lao PDR
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
>
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 15:45:59 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:45:59 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
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Dear brother Thien & CACC,

Thanks for the frank and emotional response, anh Thien.  And thanks for your
frankness and courage.  Frankness and courage are very rare commodity
anywhere in the world.

Of course, I understand exactly what you are talking about. If there is any
consolation, I have never been able to choose anyone I really like either.
When I was in Vietnam, of course, we had no choice.  In the US, I often did
the task of choosing the least bad guy among the bad guys.  Hard to find
good leaders.  That is just the nature of life.

The issues you raise are not simple matters.  As you say, we cannot give the
3-yr-old kid the 7-yr-old-kid clothing.  Democracy is a process, in which
economic and social development as well as the human relationship among the
citizens play a major role.  Indeed, I think democracy is not a destination,
but a journey.

These all are matters close to my heart.  But we will develop this thread
about democracy, choosing leaders and citizen responsibilities in the
future, so that we don't confuse our current discussion:  What is your own
idea of leadership?

So brother Thien, assuming that you don't really care about other leaders
because you have no right to really choose the leaders you like and
everything is imposed from above, I agree with you absolutely and I am
sympathetic with you.  So let me switch the angle a little and ask you this
question:  You must be the leader of someone, be that your younger brother
or sister, your children, your students, or someone you have been
mentoring.  In such capacity as that person's leader, what do you think you
need in order to to fulfill your job?

I don't care about other guys.  I care about you.  What your idea of
leadership is?  What do you demand of yourself as a leader of someone?

Have a great day!

Hoanh




On 7/13/07, Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
>  Dear anh Hoanh,
>
> for the question of yours, I tell you my truth. That's what I really
> performed in every election in Vietnam.
>
> I have no choice, nothing at all. My family members and I used to meet
> together then asked who might have time to go voting. Then we selected
> someone. The person would take our voter card to go to the voting place. The
> person would have no choice at all. He/she deleted some candidates
> accidentally then voted.
>
> It's not my joke story. But It's my real. Sometime, I don't care the
> percentage of who have real choice and who have no choice in election. A few
> months ago, in the voting day for congress election, my friend was very
> busy. No one of his family could go voting. then his "to truong dan pho"
> came and asked his family gave him their voter cards. He did voting for
> them.
>
> Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the truth.
>
> In my real life, I really don't have opportunity to choose and to vote my
> leader. The position is set up from above. But if you want to know my
> knowledge about how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many things. All of
> them come from my theory, my dream and nothing from my real. You might be
> surprised. I can understand your reaction. For me, my choice is not to
> select how to perform my democracy but what I can gain from this type of
> democracy. I feel ok. This type of society can give me enough opportunity to
> get paid, to get food and that's all.
>
> In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very simple. When the boy is 3
> year you just give him 3-year clothes. When he is 10 you need to give him
> 10-year clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a 10-year clothes because
> it cannot meet his needs. Then the type of democracy is the same. I think we
> have talked about definition of democracy many times. In this issues, I
> don't want to talk about democracy but leadership. I have no choice in
> electing. Then I cannot give you a correct answer. I am very serious. I
> understand my answer doesn't meet your question correctly. But according to
> your words, I try to give my best.
>
> best regards,
> Tran Ba Thien
> tranbathien at gmail.com
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
>
>
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From tranbathien at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 16:58:33 2007
From: tranbathien at gmail.com (Tran Ba Thien)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 06:58:33 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Choosing job or choosing profession?
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Hi anh Hoanh,

I like the article. You encountered a problem then gave us a solution. It's very interesting.
Tran Ba Thien
tranbathien at gmail.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tran Dinh Hoanh 
  To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net 
  Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 2:38 AM
  Subject: [Vnbiz] Choosing job or choosing profession?


  [ Vietnam Business Forum ]




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  Dear CACC,

  Below FYI  is the link to my short article entitled Chon Viec hay Chon Nghe on the Viec Lam supplement of Lao Dong Newspaper that chi Nga` manages.

  http://laodong.com.vn/Home/vieclam/2007/7/45285.laodong 

  Have a great day!

  Hoanh

  -- 
  Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
  Washington DC 


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From tranbathien at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 17:31:15 2007
From: tranbathien at gmail.com (Tran Ba Thien)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 07:31:15 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
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Dear anh Hoanh and CACC,

First I am not very cynical on against the current social system of Vietnam.I feel ok with this circumstance and condition. It meets my needs and my values of democracy and values of development. No, I never agree the system totally. but I encounter not many problems to complain.

In the role of a leader, what do I need to do for me and for my members? It's very interesting question.

-First I need to achieve the goal of my group as effective as possible.
-Then I need to set up friendship environment in our group. I may name the activity as building up group culture. I need to respect my member's idea, their values and their hopes. I need to litsen to them and protect their reputation their interests.

-Every member and I need to understand that the success of our group is from all not from some specific persons.
-The group must give opportunities of developing to every member in equally and fairly.

I must be the one who takes the final decision 

If I cannot apply one of the above indicators, I must resign.

best regards,
Tran Ba Thien
tranbathien at gmail.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tran Dinh Hoanh 
  To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net 
  Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?


  [ Vietnam Business Forum ]




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  Dear brother Thien & CACC,

  Thanks for the frank and emotional response, anh Thien.  And thanks for your frankness and courage.  Frankness and courage are very rare commodity anywhere in the world.  

  Of course, I understand exactly what you are talking about. If there is any consolation, I have never been able to choose anyone I really like either.  When I was in Vietnam, of course, we had no choice.  In the US, I often did the task of choosing the least bad guy among the bad guys.  Hard to find good leaders.  That is just the nature of life. 

  The issues you raise are not simple matters.  As you say, we cannot give the 3-yr-old kid the 7-yr-old-kid clothing.  Democracy is a process, in which economic and social development as well as the human relationship among the citizens play a major role.  Indeed, I think democracy is not a destination, but a journey. 

  These all are matters close to my heart.  But we will develop this thread about democracy, choosing leaders and citizen responsibilities in the future, so that we don't confuse our current discussion:  What is your own idea of leadership? 

  So brother Thien, assuming that you don't really care about other leaders because you have no right to really choose the leaders you like and everything is imposed from above, I agree with you absolutely and I am sympathetic with you.  So let me switch the angle a little and ask you this question:  You must be the leader of someone, be that your younger brother or sister, your children, your students, or someone you have been mentoring.  In such capacity as that person's leader, what do you think you need in order to to fulfill your job?  

  I don't care about other guys.  I care about you.  What your idea of leadership is?  What do you demand of yourself as a leader of someone?

  Have a great day!

  Hoanh



   
  On 7/13/07, Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com> wrote: 
    [ Vietnam Business Forum ]

     


    Dear anh Hoanh,

    for the question of yours, I tell you my truth. That's what I really performed in every election in Vietnam.

    I have no choice, nothing at all. My family members and I used to meet together then asked who might have time to go voting. Then we selected someone. The person would take our voter card to go to the voting place. The person would have no choice at all. He/she deleted some candidates accidentally then voted. 

    It's not my joke story. But It's my real. Sometime, I don't care the percentage of who have real choice and who have no choice in election. A few months ago, in the voting day for congress election, my friend was very busy. No one of his family could go voting. then his "to truong dan pho" came and asked his family gave him their voter cards. He did voting for them. 

    Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the truth.

    In my real life, I really don't have opportunity to choose and to vote my leader. The position is set up from above. But if you want to know my knowledge about how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many things. All of them come from my theory, my dream and nothing from my real. You might be surprised. I can understand your reaction. For me, my choice is not to select how to perform my democracy but what I can gain from this type of democracy. I feel ok. This type of society can give me enough opportunity to get paid, to get food and that's all. 

    In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very simple. When the boy is 3 year you just give him 3-year clothes. When he is 10 you need to give him 10-year clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a 10-year clothes because it cannot meet his needs. Then the type of democracy is the same. I think we have talked about definition of democracy many times. In this issues, I don't want to talk about democracy but leadership. I have no choice in electing. Then I cannot give you a correct answer. I am very serious. I understand my answer doesn't meet your question correctly. But according to your words, I try to give my best. 

    best regards,
    Tran Ba Thien
    tranbathien at gmail.com
      -- 
      Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
      Washington DC 


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From admarshall at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 19:35:16 2007
From: admarshall at gmail.com (AD Marshall)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:35:16 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
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Thien oi,

Your comments on group (or "community"?) development and maintenance (BeLow)
are indeed intriguing, to say the least, especially your concluding comment
that, "I [ie, you] must be the one who takes the final decision".

Thanks indeed for yet again dispelling any notion i might have again
entertained that living here might be becoming monotonous or even
predictable.

Admittedly i must wonder if i'm witnessing or experiencing some sort of
communications disconnect or not.  But assuming "not", i would then wonder
at what sorts of correlations might be found between your comments and the
incessant lament i've heard from people here who source Vietnamese software
programmers for overseas work, ie, that Vietnamese programmers are
remarkably team-work challenged.

With warm wishes,
AD Marshall

On 7/15/07, Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>  Dear anh Hoanh and CACC,
>
> First I am not very cynical on against the current social system of
> Vietnam.I feel ok with this circumstance and condition. It meets my needs
> and my values of democracy and values of development. No, I never agree the
> system totally. but I encounter not many problems to complain.
>
> In the role of a leader, what do I need to do for me and for my members?
> It's very interesting question.
>
> -First I need to achieve the goal of my group as effective as possible.
> -Then I need to set up friendship environment in our group. I may name the
> activity as building up group culture. I need to respect my member's idea,
> their values and their hopes. I need to litsen to them and protect their
> reputation their interests.
>
> -Every member and I need to understand that the success of our group is
> from all not from some specific persons.
> -The group must give opportunities of developing to every member in
> equally and fairly.
>
> I must be the one who takes the final decision
>
> If I cannot apply one of the above indicators, I must resign.
>
> best regards,
> Tran Ba Thien
> tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Tran Dinh Hoanh<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tdhoanh at gmail.com>
> *To:* vnbiz at vietlinks.net<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:45 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your
> leader?
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> Dear brother Thien & CACC,
>
> Thanks for the frank and emotional response, anh Thien.  And thanks for
> your frankness and courage.  Frankness and courage are very rare commodity
> anywhere in the world.
>
> Of course, I understand exactly what you are talking about. If there is
> any consolation, I have never been able to choose anyone I really like
> either.  When I was in Vietnam, of course, we had no choice.  In the US, I
> often did the task of choosing the least bad guy among the bad guys.  Hard
> to find good leaders.  That is just the nature of life.
>
> The issues you raise are not simple matters.  As you say, we cannot give
> the 3-yr-old kid the 7-yr-old-kid clothing.  Democracy is a process, in
> which economic and social development as well as the human relationship
> among the citizens play a major role.  Indeed, I think democracy is not a
> destination, but a journey.
>
> These all are matters close to my heart.  But we will develop this thread
> about democracy, choosing leaders and citizen responsibilities in the
> future, so that we don't confuse our current discussion:  What is your own
> idea of leadership?
>
> So brother Thien, assuming that you don't really care about other leaders
> because you have no right to really choose the leaders you like and
> everything is imposed from above, I agree with you absolutely and I am
> sympathetic with you.  So let me switch the angle a little and ask you this
> question:  You must be the leader of someone, be that your younger brother
> or sister, your children, your students, or someone you have been
> mentoring.  In such capacity as that person's leader, what do you think you
> need in order to to fulfill your job?
>
> I don't care about other guys.  I care about you.  What your idea of
> leadership is?  What do you demand of yourself as a leader of someone?
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Hoanh
>
>
>
>
> On 7/13/07, Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> >  Dear anh Hoanh,
> >
> > for the question of yours, I tell you my truth. That's what I really
> > performed in every election in Vietnam.
> >
> > I have no choice, nothing at all. My family members and I used to meet
> > together then asked who might have time to go voting. Then we selected
> > someone. The person would take our voter card to go to the voting place. The
> > person would have no choice at all. He/she deleted some candidates
> > accidentally then voted.
> >
> > It's not my joke story. But It's my real. Sometime, I don't care the
> > percentage of who have real choice and who have no choice in election. A few
> > months ago, in the voting day for congress election, my friend was very
> > busy. No one of his family could go voting. then his "to truong dan pho"
> > came and asked his family gave him their voter cards. He did voting for
> > them.
> >
> > Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the truth.
> >
> > In my real life, I really don't have opportunity to choose and to vote
> > my leader. The position is set up from above. But if you want to know my
> > knowledge about how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many things. All of
> > them come from my theory, my dream and nothing from my real. You might be
> > surprised. I can understand your reaction. For me, my choice is not to
> > select how to perform my democracy but what I can gain from this type of
> > democracy. I feel ok. This type of society can give me enough opportunity to
> > get paid, to get food and that's all.
> >
> > In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very simple. When the boy is 3
> > year you just give him 3-year clothes. When he is 10 you need to give him
> > 10-year clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a 10-year clothes because
> > it cannot meet his needs. Then the type of democracy is the same. I think we
> > have talked about definition of democracy many times. In this issues, I
> > don't want to talk about democracy but leadership. I have no choice in
> > electing. Then I cannot give you a correct answer. I am very serious. I
> > understand my answer doesn't meet your question correctly. But according to
> > your words, I try to give my best.
> >
> > best regards,
> > Tran Ba Thien
> > tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>
> >
> > --
> > Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> > Washington DC
> >
> >  ------------------------------
>
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From cstevenson2000 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 21:52:18 2007
From: cstevenson2000 at gmail.com (Craig Stevenson)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 00:52:18 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Hanoi must make choices
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Dear Family:

I have been busy trying to settle in and do hope to see everyone soon; will
have a dinner party where I cook and any are welcome.  But I digress and
I reply to this thread, because of Serge's use of the term. "Dear Family",
how great, I hope he won't mind were I to borrow it in the future.

Pollution, haphazard development, erosion, worsening water conditions,
dirtier air, polluting aqua-culture techniques (basa, shrimp farming), the
destruction of natural resources (sites that cannot be regenerated)  for the
development of tourism, the development of business, the development of
wealth for some and perhaps, even, opportunities for others.

These issues are both serious and one would think that the solutions may be
difficult; to get the many who must participate in any solution an
intractable/impossible process.

I believe that the question here where culturally such great exceptionalism,
great power distance, the acceptance of that distance exists we have a
doubly difficult problem.  How to convince one to do what is "right" when
others can gain exception?.How to convince another who can be excepted to do
what is right because others have and will gain exception (again).

How to convince, how to enable others, to retrofit their modes of
transportation, their houses, their lives, their businesses as they focus on
survival, the future of their children, and similar. How to do it not just
in Viet Nam but elsewhere, many wheres, how?  How to get a human who for
thousands of years has often, if not mostly, done what was perceived in his
immediate interest.  These are the great questions attempted, but failed to
be answered by many great people, philosphers, and simply concerned people
down through the ages.

It's funny for me it's a circle. Bringing the discussion back to Vietnam, I
wonder how, again.
The government installs a tax for people over a certain income.  This should
help to raise funds for many needed programs and perhaps work to reform the
bureaucracy. Few are honest in declaring their incomes as others are
dishonest in creating their incomes.  The one says why should I pay such
taxes, it won't change how things happen.  The other, might say, how can a
few more pennies in my pocket, rather than my current method for attracting
income and wealth, allow me to take care of my family, create their future.
All say, it won't change because the other won't change.  It's a circle.

How?
 Yes to more public and mass transportation;
Yes to cleaner motorbikes
Yes to these things.
Yes to sustainable aqua-culture techniques.  Yes, Yes, Yes.

But it always comes back to the same thing:

First, would be for honesty and a focus on others, the actual collective,
interest
Before that how can the other tough decisions be made.

This is a problem faced everywhere. In Vietnam it is very important as we
hope for the
development of a country and for that development to positively impact the
lives of the people
on the street as is necessary for stability, especially, where such large
numbers of young people exist. A better life is their right, and the way
things currently function, a better life is difficult to accomplish. How?
Simply for some, no all, to except their self-interest for the collective
interest. But that is a very big HOW?

Craig


What of the street vendors that use coal across Vietnamese cities to cook
the food they sell to a hungry public? What would happen were they to be
outlawed? More expensive food? A futrther hardship on the people, both
businesses


On 7/14/07, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> Dear Serge & Brothers/Sisters,
>
> Very interesting question, brother Serge.  Who would want to slow down
> development?  I think we all know the answer:  No one.  It is impossible to
> convince someone, least of all a developing country that is trying to get
> out of poverty, to slow down development. It is a losing position to try to
> convince people to slow down development.
>
> Instead of trying to slow down, we must think about taking care of the
> environment as development goes.  The truth of the matter is that in many
> big cities of the world we have always had horrendous traffic jam and air
> pollution, regardless how governments have tried to open new road and impose
> stricter car exhaust standards.  That testifies to the natural fact that
> development will always go one step ahead of environmental cleanup, just
> like at home, we cook and eat and throw garbage around before we do house
> cleaning.
>
> So instead of trying to convince governments to slow down development, we
> need to constantly come up with environment-friendly development ideas, like
> focusing on eco-tourism and keeping the envrionment green instead of hotel
> blocks and booze and gambling; focusing on public transportation like subway
> and buses;  enforcing environmental regulations on factories, focusing on
> waste management, running a constant "clean and beautiful city campaign,"
> etc.
>
> In this kind of task, it would be wise for environment advocates to work
> with tourism and public health authorities (because environment directly
> affects tourism and public health), self-help groups of citizens with
> serious environment problems (such as communities adversely affected by a
> major factory), consumer advocacy groups (who would be able to organize
> campaigns to boycott environmentally abusive companies) and industry leaders
> (who understand the wishes of a consuming public who is constantly getting
> smarter by the time).
>
> Instead of taking the position of "environment versus development," we
> need to take the position of "environment-unfriendly development versus
> environment friendly development."
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Hoanh
>
> On 7/14/07, Serge Doussantousse <sergefabali at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
> > [Vietnam Public Health Forum]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Family,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am always puzzled by such title: "Hanoi must make choices" But the
> > question is *who, what is **Hanoi* ... Economist, Publicist, Law Makers,
> > UN officials Consumers, Citizens... are promoting / avid a kind of
> > Development at all cost and there is not forum and space for alternatives...
> > You ask the same people who are in power to do the opposite they were
> > advocating 10-15 years ago... Can they do it... Do they want?... Not sure?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the story?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Serge Doussantousse
> > Research Consultant
> > tel: 020 2418398
> > home 856 21-21 41 49 19
> > Vientiane-- Lao PDR
> >
> > --
> > Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> > Washington DC
> >
>
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From: cstevenson2000 at gmail.com (Craig Stevenson)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:06:41 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
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To answer the original question, traits of the (one) leader I have in mind:


   1. great concern for his followers
   2. willing to make the hard decisions
   3. open, communicative, and energetic
   4. includes the concerns/needs of others in his/her decision-making
   process
   5. Inspiring
   6. dedicated
   7. honest
   8. hard-working
   9. serves as a role model

I listed these as they came to mind, not sure how to prioritize them or if I
should, perhaps they are prioritized.  Perhaps they are intertwined and
couldn't be separated fully, either to answer the question, or for the
purposes of scientific study.

Craig


On 7/14/07, AD Marshall <admarshall at gmail.com> wrote:

> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> Thien oi,
>
> Your comments on group (or "community"?) development and maintenance
> (BeLow) are indeed intriguing, to say the least, especially your concluding
> comment that, "I [ie, you] must be the one who takes the final decision".
>
> Thanks indeed for yet again dispelling any notion i might have again
> entertained that living here might be becoming monotonous or even
> predictable.
>
> Admittedly i must wonder if i'm witnessing or experiencing some sort of
> communications disconnect or not.  But assuming "not", i would then wonder
> at what sorts of correlations might be found between your comments and the
> incessant lament i've heard from people here who source Vietnamese software
> programmers for overseas work, ie, that Vietnamese programmers are
> remarkably team-work challenged.
>
> With warm wishes,
> AD Marshall
>
> On 7/15/07, Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> >  Dear anh Hoanh and CACC,
> >
> > First I am not very cynical on against the current social system of
> > Vietnam.I feel ok with this circumstance and condition. It meets my
> > needs and my values of democracy and values of development. No, I never
> > agree the system totally. but I encounter not many problems to complain.
> >
> > In the role of a leader, what do I need to do for me and for my members?
> > It's very interesting question.
> >
> > -First I need to achieve the goal of my group as effective as possible.
> > -Then I need to set up friendship environment in our group. I may name
> > the activity as building up group culture. I need to respect my member's
> > idea, their values and their hopes. I need to litsen to them and protect
> > their reputation their interests.
> >
> > -Every member and I need to understand that the success of our group is
> > from all not from some specific persons.
> > -The group must give opportunities of developing to every member in
> > equally and fairly.
> >
> > I must be the one who takes the final decision
> >
> > If I cannot apply one of the above indicators, I must resign.
> >
> > best regards,
> > Tran Ba Thien
> > tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Tran Dinh Hoanh<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tdhoanh at gmail.com>
> > *To:* vnbiz at vietlinks.net<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
> > *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:45 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your
> > leader?
> >
> >
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> >
> > Dear brother Thien & CACC,
> >
> > Thanks for the frank and emotional response, anh Thien.  And thanks for
> > your frankness and courage.  Frankness and courage are very rare commodity
> > anywhere in the world.
> >
> > Of course, I understand exactly what you are talking about. If there is
> > any consolation, I have never been able to choose anyone I really like
> > either.  When I was in Vietnam, of course, we had no choice.  In the US, I
> > often did the task of choosing the least bad guy among the bad guys.  Hard
> > to find good leaders.  That is just the nature of life.
> >
> > The issues you raise are not simple matters.  As you say, we cannot give
> > the 3-yr-old kid the 7-yr-old-kid clothing.  Democracy is a process, in
> > which economic and social development as well as the human relationship
> > among the citizens play a major role.  Indeed, I think democracy is not a
> > destination, but a journey.
> >
> > These all are matters close to my heart.  But we will develop this
> > thread about democracy, choosing leaders and citizen responsibilities in the
> > future, so that we don't confuse our current discussion:  What is your own
> > idea of leadership?
> >
> > So brother Thien, assuming that you don't really care about other
> > leaders because you have no right to really choose the leaders you like and
> > everything is imposed from above, I agree with you absolutely and I am
> > sympathetic with you.  So let me switch the angle a little and ask you this
> > question:  You must be the leader of someone, be that your younger brother
> > or sister, your children, your students, or someone you have been
> > mentoring.  In such capacity as that person's leader, what do you think you
> > need in order to to fulfill your job?
> >
> > I don't care about other guys.  I care about you.  What your idea of
> > leadership is?  What do you demand of yourself as a leader of someone?
> >
> > Have a great day!
> >
> > Hoanh
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/13/07, Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  Dear anh Hoanh,
> > >
> > > for the question of yours, I tell you my truth. That's what I really
> > > performed in every election in Vietnam.
> > >
> > > I have no choice, nothing at all. My family members and I used to meet
> > > together then asked who might have time to go voting. Then we selected
> > > someone. The person would take our voter card to go to the voting place. The
> > > person would have no choice at all. He/she deleted some candidates
> > > accidentally then voted.
> > >
> > > It's not my joke story. But It's my real. Sometime, I don't care the
> > > percentage of who have real choice and who have no choice in election. A few
> > > months ago, in the voting day for congress election, my friend was very
> > > busy. No one of his family could go voting. then his "to truong dan pho"
> > > came and asked his family gave him their voter cards. He did voting for
> > > them.
> > >
> > > Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the truth.
> > >
> > > In my real life, I really don't have opportunity to choose and to vote
> > > my leader. The position is set up from above. But if you want to know my
> > > knowledge about how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many things. All of
> > > them come from my theory, my dream and nothing from my real. You might be
> > > surprised. I can understand your reaction. For me, my choice is not to
> > > select how to perform my democracy but what I can gain from this type of
> > > democracy. I feel ok. This type of society can give me enough opportunity to
> > > get paid, to get food and that's all.
> > >
> > > In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very simple. When the boy is
> > > 3 year you just give him 3-year clothes. When he is 10 you need to give him
> > > 10-year clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a 10-year clothes because
> > > it cannot meet his needs. Then the type of democracy is the same. I think we
> > > have talked about definition of democracy many times. In this issues, I
> > > don't want to talk about democracy but leadership. I have no choice in
> > > electing. Then I cannot give you a correct answer. I am very serious. I
> > > understand my answer doesn't meet your question correctly. But according to
> > > your words, I try to give my best.
> > >
> > > best regards,
> > > Tran Ba Thien
> > > tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> > > Washington DC
> > >
> > >  ------------------------------
> >
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From cstevenson2000 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 22:09:53 2007
From: cstevenson2000 at gmail.com (Craig Stevenson)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:09:53 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
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Hoanh:

I enjoyed your clothing example for discussion of systems.

Not having a child, I am not sure if this is done, but as I am the practical
sort, and believe in economy/frugality in all aspects of life, might not we
want to buy at least 4 year old clothes for our children to give them
something to grow into.

Craig


On 7/15/07, Craig Stevenson <cstevenson2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> To answer the original question, traits of the (one) leader I have in
> mind:
>
>
>    1. great concern for his followers
>    2. willing to make the hard decisions
>    3. open, communicative, and energetic
>    4. includes the concerns/needs of others in his/her decision-making
>    process
>    5. Inspiring
>    6. dedicated
>    7. honest
>    8. hard-working
>    9. serves as a role model
>
> I listed these as they came to mind, not sure how to prioritize them or if
> I should, perhaps they are prioritized.  Perhaps they are intertwined and
> couldn't be separated fully, either to answer the question, or for the
> purposes of scientific study.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On 7/14/07, AD Marshall <admarshall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> > Thien oi,
> >
> > Your comments on group (or "community"?) development and maintenance
> > (BeLow) are indeed intriguing, to say the least, especially your concluding
> > comment that, "I [ie, you] must be the one who takes the final decision".
> >
> > Thanks indeed for yet again dispelling any notion i might have again
> > entertained that living here might be becoming monotonous or even
> > predictable.
> >
> > Admittedly i must wonder if i'm witnessing or experiencing some sort of
> > communications disconnect or not.  But assuming "not", i would then wonder
> > at what sorts of correlations might be found between your comments and the
> > incessant lament i've heard from people here who source Vietnamese software
> > programmers for overseas work, ie, that Vietnamese programmers are
> > remarkably team-work challenged.
> >
> > With warm wishes,
> > AD Marshall
> >
> > On 7/15/07, Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  Dear anh Hoanh and CACC,
> > >
> > > First I am not very cynical on against the current social system of
> > > Vietnam.I feel ok with this circumstance and condition. It meets my
> > > needs and my values of democracy and values of development. No, I never
> > > agree the system totally. but I encounter not many problems to complain.
> > >
> > > In the role of a leader, what do I need to do for me and for my
> > > members? It's very interesting question.
> > >
> > > -First I need to achieve the goal of my group as effective as
> > > possible.
> > > -Then I need to set up friendship environment in our group. I may name
> > > the activity as building up group culture. I need to respect my member's
> > > idea, their values and their hopes. I need to litsen to them and protect
> > > their reputation their interests.
> > >
> > > -Every member and I need to understand that the success of our group
> > > is from all not from some specific persons.
> > > -The group must give opportunities of developing to every member in
> > > equally and fairly.
> > >
> > > I must be the one who takes the final decision
> > >
> > > If I cannot apply one of the above indicators, I must resign.
> > >
> > > best regards,
> > > Tran Ba Thien
> > > tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > *From:* Tran Dinh Hoanh<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tdhoanh at gmail.com>
> > > *To:* vnbiz at vietlinks.net<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
> > > *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:45 AM
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your
> > > leader?
> > >
> > >
> > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > >
> > >  ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Dear brother Thien & CACC,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the frank and emotional response, anh Thien.  And thanks
> > > for your frankness and courage.  Frankness and courage are very rare
> > > commodity anywhere in the world.
> > >
> > > Of course, I understand exactly what you are talking about. If there
> > > is any consolation, I have never been able to choose anyone I really like
> > > either.  When I was in Vietnam, of course, we had no choice.  In the US, I
> > > often did the task of choosing the least bad guy among the bad guys.  Hard
> > > to find good leaders.  That is just the nature of life.
> > >
> > > The issues you raise are not simple matters.  As you say, we cannot
> > > give the 3-yr-old kid the 7-yr-old-kid clothing.  Democracy is a process, in
> > > which economic and social development as well as the human relationship
> > > among the citizens play a major role.  Indeed, I think democracy is not a
> > > destination, but a journey.
> > >
> > > These all are matters close to my heart.  But we will develop this
> > > thread about democracy, choosing leaders and citizen responsibilities in the
> > > future, so that we don't confuse our current discussion:  What is your own
> > > idea of leadership?
> > >
> > > So brother Thien, assuming that you don't really care about other
> > > leaders because you have no right to really choose the leaders you like and
> > > everything is imposed from above, I agree with you absolutely and I am
> > > sympathetic with you.  So let me switch the angle a little and ask you this
> > > question:  You must be the leader of someone, be that your younger brother
> > > or sister, your children, your students, or someone you have been
> > > mentoring.  In such capacity as that person's leader, what do you think you
> > > need in order to to fulfill your job?
> > >
> > > I don't care about other guys.  I care about you.  What your idea of
> > > leadership is?  What do you demand of yourself as a leader of someone?
> > >
> > > Have a great day!
> > >
> > > Hoanh
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/13/07, Tran Ba Thien < tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Dear anh Hoanh,
> > > >
> > > > for the question of yours, I tell you my truth. That's what I really
> > > > performed in every election in Vietnam.
> > > >
> > > > I have no choice, nothing at all. My family members and I used to
> > > > meet together then asked who might have time to go voting. Then we selected
> > > > someone. The person would take our voter card to go to the voting place. The
> > > > person would have no choice at all. He/she deleted some candidates
> > > > accidentally then voted.
> > > >
> > > > It's not my joke story. But It's my real. Sometime, I don't care the
> > > > percentage of who have real choice and who have no choice in election. A few
> > > > months ago, in the voting day for congress election, my friend was very
> > > > busy. No one of his family could go voting. then his "to truong dan pho"
> > > > came and asked his family gave him their voter cards. He did voting for
> > > > them.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the truth.
> > > >
> > > > In my real life, I really don't have opportunity to choose and to
> > > > vote my leader. The position is set up from above. But if you want to know
> > > > my knowledge about how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many things. All
> > > > of them come from my theory, my dream and nothing from my real. You might be
> > > > surprised. I can understand your reaction. For me, my choice is not to
> > > > select how to perform my democracy but what I can gain from this type of
> > > > democracy. I feel ok. This type of society can give me enough opportunity to
> > > > get paid, to get food and that's all.
> > > >
> > > > In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very simple. When the boy
> > > > is 3 year you just give him 3-year clothes. When he is 10 you need to give
> > > > him 10-year clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a 10-year clothes
> > > > because it cannot meet his needs. Then the type of democracy is the same. I
> > > > think we have talked about definition of democracy many times. In this
> > > > issues, I don't want to talk about democracy but leadership. I have no
> > > > choice in electing. Then I cannot give you a correct answer. I am very
> > > > serious. I understand my answer doesn't meet your question correctly. But
> > > > according to your words, I try to give my best.
> > > >
> > > > best regards,
> > > > Tran Ba Thien
> > > > tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> > > > Washington DC
> > > >
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From shane.wall at translingualexpress.com  Sun Jul 15 05:18:26 2007
From: shane.wall at translingualexpress.com (Shane Wall)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:18:26 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
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Great list Craig.

Here's my list, not in prioritized order because I consider all of them 
equally important, and some comments, thoughts or examples.

*1.  Willing to openly canvass and listen to all opinions, including 
ones the leader may disagree with.*
      Only by listening to all views and perspectives can the correct 
one be found.

*2.  Be totally committed to the welfare of the "entity" being led as a 
whole, not just elements within it.*
     If only one section of the entity is cared for, human nature will 
quickly ensure that the entity disintegrates. This also means that 
sometimes a leader must be willing to harm part of the whole in order 
for the whole to become or remain healthy. A true example is the Ship 
Captain whose ship has an uncontrolled fire in the engineroom. He knows 
there are 4 sailors still in the engineroom and 195 others safe. He does 
not know if the 4 are still alive or dead already. He orders the 
engineroom sealed and the firefighting chemical Halon to be dumped into 
the compartment. Halon is lethally toxic when it reacts with fire 
(that's part of how it works). He knows if the 4 are alive, he has just 
killed them. He knows if he does not extinguish the fire, he places all 
195 others in jeopardy. I know this story is FACT because it happened in 
the Royal Australian Navy when I was still serving.

*3.  Not afraid to make the hard decisions, like the example above, for 
the good of the whole.*

*4.  Able to be self-critical and honest about mistakes or errors.*
     The member of a sports team who gives their all and is defeated by 
their opponent because the coach put them in the wrong position or gave 
the wrong task is not to blame for losing the game, the coach who put 
there is. The coach must then be able to exonerate the player and take 
the blame.

*5.  Never asks another to do what he/she would not do themselves*, 
a.k.a. lead by example or leading from the front.
     This does not mean the leader has to actually participate, but it 
does mean that those being led must know that when placed in the same 
position, the leader DID do exactly what he/she is now asking others to 
do, so understands their plight.

*6.  Is cooperative rather than combative or manipulative.*

*7.  Honest, moral, ethical and upstanding with a sense of justice and 
what is "right".*
      Nothing loses the respect of the led faster than some misdeed by a 
leader. Nonetheless, this does not mean the leader cannot have made 
mistakes, (See 4. above), but just how they handle them. Another true 
story. On learning that their team leader was simply writing his own 
reports based on his own presumptions and perceptions and not analyzing 
and compiling their results and reports as he should have done, the team 
simply stopped collecting the information and writing the reports - not 
a healthy situation for intelligence operators. When I took over the 
team, they were the worst, most demoralized team and the laughing stock 
of the Unit. Morale was deeper than Whale doo-doo!

*8.  Openly and equitably distributes and shares the benefits and burdens.*
     I've seen instances where everything is shared equally (a 
Communist-style model) and others where things are shared according to 
pre-determined criteria or systems (a Capitalist-style model). From my 
(limited) experience, it doesn't seem to matter which method is used, 
rather that it is open and mutually agreed upon (See 6. above).

*9.  Deep understanding of the aspirations, wishes, needs and desires of 
the led.*
     Without this understanding, no leader can ever hope to satisfy 
these things for their followers.

*10. Willingness to delegate responsibilities, reward success and 
rectify the causes of failure.*
      By letting people undertake important tasks, rewarding them when 
they succeed and helping rectify the reasons they may have failed, a 
leader builds trust. From mutual trust comes teamwork. From teamwork 
comes success. Any team-building guru will tell you that, or something 
similar.

Finally, I don't remember where this comes from, but I remember a 
definition of "Leadership":

_*"The ability to make others willingly do what they otherwise do not 
want to do."*_

Have a pleasant Sunday all.

Shane
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mr. Shane Wall
Principal,

Trans Lingual Express
120/14 Mai Thi Luu St,
P. Dakao, Q.1, HCMC,
Vietnam

Mail: shane.wall at translingualexpress.com
Web: www.translingualexpress.com

Mbl: +84 (090) 9484 753 (Anh) - Tel: +84 (8) 820 9143 (Viet)






Craig Stevenson wrote:
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>   
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> To answer the original question, traits of the (one) leader I have in 
> mind:
>  
>
>    1. great concern for his followers
>    2. willing to make the hard decisions
>    3. open, communicative, and energetic
>    4. includes the concerns/needs of others in his/her decision-making
>       process
>    5. Inspiring
>    6. dedicated
>    7. honest
>    8. hard-working
>    9. serves as a role model
>
> I listed these as they came to mind, not sure how to prioritize them 
> or if I should, perhaps they are prioritized.  Perhaps they are 
> intertwined and couldn't be separated fully, either to answer the 
> question, or for the purposes of scientific study.
>  
> Craig 
>
>  
> On 7/14/07, *AD Marshall* <admarshall at gmail.com 
> <mailto:admarshall at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>      
>
>     Thien oi,
>
>     Your comments on group (or "community"?) development and
>     maintenance (BeLow) are indeed intriguing, to say the least,
>     especially your concluding comment that, "I [ie, you] must be the
>     one who takes the final decision".  
>
>     Thanks indeed for yet again dispelling any notion i might have
>     again entertained that living here might be becoming monotonous or
>     even predictable. 
>
>     Admittedly i must wonder if i'm witnessing or experiencing some
>     sort of communications disconnect or not.  But assuming "not", i
>     would then wonder at what sorts of correlations might be found
>     between your comments and the incessant lament i've heard from
>     people here who source Vietnamese software programmers for
>     overseas work, ie, that Vietnamese programmers are remarkably
>     team-work challenged.
>
>     With warm wishes,
>     AD Marshall
>
>     On 7/15/07, *Tran Ba Thien* <tranbathien at gmail.com
>     <mailto:tranbathien at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>          
>
>         Dear anh Hoanh and CACC,
>          
>         First I am not very cynical on against the current social
>         system of Vietnam.I feel ok with this circumstance and
>         condition. It meets my needs and my values of democracy and
>         values of development. No, I never agree the system totally.
>         but I encounter not many problems to complain.
>          
>         In the role of a leader, what do I need to do for me and for
>         my members? It's very interesting question.
>          
>         -First I need to achieve the goal of my group as effective as
>         possible.
>         -Then I need to set up friendship environment in our group. I
>         may name the activity as building up group culture. I need to
>         respect my member's idea, their values and their hopes. I need
>         to litsen to them and protect their reputation their interests.
>          
>         -Every member and I need to understand that the success of our
>         group is from all not from some specific persons.
>         -The group must give opportunities of developing to every
>         member in equally and fairly.
>          
>         I must be the one who takes the final decision
>          
>         If I cannot apply one of the above indicators, I must resign.
>          
>         best regards,
>         Tran Ba Thien
>         tranbathien at gmail.com
>         <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>
>
>             ----- Original Message -----
>             *From:* Tran Dinh Hoanh
>             <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tdhoanh at gmail.com>
>
>             *To:* vnbiz at vietlinks.net
>             <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
>
>             *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:45 AM
>             *Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking
>             for in your leader?
>
>              
>             [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>             Dear brother Thien & CACC,
>              
>             Thanks for the frank and emotional response, anh Thien. 
>             And thanks for your frankness and courage.  Frankness and
>             courage are very rare commodity anywhere in the world. 
>              
>             Of course, I understand exactly what you are talking
>             about. If there is any consolation, I have never been able
>             to choose anyone I really like either.  When I was in
>             Vietnam, of course, we had no choice.  In the US, I often
>             did the task of choosing the least bad guy among the bad
>             guys.  Hard to find good leaders.  That is just the nature
>             of life.
>              
>             The issues you raise are not simple matters.  As you say,
>             we cannot give the 3-yr-old kid the 7-yr-old-kid
>             clothing.  Democracy is a process, in which economic and
>             social development as well as the human relationship among
>             the citizens play a major role.  Indeed, I think democracy
>             is not a destination, but a journey.
>              
>             These all are matters close to my heart.  But we will
>             develop this thread about democracy, choosing leaders and
>             citizen responsibilities in the future, so that we don't
>             confuse our current discussion:  What is your own idea of
>             leadership?
>              
>             So brother Thien, assuming that you don't really care
>             about other leaders because you have no right to really
>             choose the leaders you like and everything is imposed from
>             above, I agree with you absolutely and I am sympathetic
>             with you.  So let me switch the angle a little and ask you
>             this question:  You must be the leader of someone, be that
>             your younger brother or sister, your children, your
>             students, or someone you have been mentoring.  In
>             such capacity as that person's leader, what do you think
>             you need in order to to fulfill your job? 
>              
>             I don't care about other guys.  I care about you.  What
>             your idea of leadership is?  What do you demand of
>             yourself as a leader of someone?
>              
>             Have a great day!
>              
>             Hoanh
>              
>
>
>              
>             On 7/13/07, *Tran Ba Thien* < tranbathien at gmail.com
>             <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>>
>             wrote:
>
>                 [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>                  
>
>                 Dear anh Hoanh,
>                  
>                 for the question of yours, I tell you my truth. That's
>                 what I really performed in every election in Vietnam.
>                  
>                 I have no choice, nothing at all. My family members
>                 and I used to meet together then asked who might have
>                 time to go voting. Then we selected someone. The
>                 person would take our voter card to go to the voting
>                 place. The person would have no choice at all. He/she
>                 deleted some candidates accidentally then voted.
>                  
>                 It's not my joke story. But It's my real. Sometime, I
>                 don't care the percentage of who have real choice and
>                 who have no choice in election. A few months ago, in
>                 the voting day for congress election, my friend was
>                 very busy. No one of his family could go voting. then
>                 his "to truong dan pho" came and asked his family gave
>                 him their voter cards. He did voting for them.
>                  
>                 Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the truth.
>                  
>                 In my real life, I really don't have opportunity to
>                 choose and to vote my leader. The position is set up
>                 from above. But if you want to know my knowledge about
>                 how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many things.
>                 All of them come from my theory, my dream and nothing
>                 from my real. You might be surprised. I can understand
>                 your reaction. For me, my choice is not to select how
>                 to perform my democracy but what I can gain from this
>                 type of democracy. I feel ok. This type of society can
>                 give me enough opportunity to get paid, to get food
>                 and that's all.
>                  
>                 In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very simple.
>                 When the boy is 3 year you just give him 3-year
>                 clothes. When he is 10 you need to give him 10-year
>                 clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a 10-year
>                 clothes because it cannot meet his needs. Then the
>                 type of democracy is the same. I think we have talked
>                 about definition of democracy many times. In this
>                 issues, I don't want to talk about democracy but
>                 leadership. I have no choice in electing. Then I
>                 cannot give you a correct answer. I am very serious. I
>                 understand my answer doesn't meet your question
>                 correctly. But according to your words, I try to give
>                 my best.
>                  
>                 best regards,
>                 Tran Ba Thien
>                 tranbathien at gmail.com
>                 <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>
>
>                     -- 
>                     Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
>                     Washington DC 
>
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From chucksearcy at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 15 13:12:34 2007
From: chucksearcy at yahoo.com (Chuck Searcy)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:12:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
In-Reply-To: <469A1092.7040503@translingualexpress.com>
Message-ID: <310440.42485.qm@web50304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Shane, good list.  Sensible, and proven by experience.  -- Chuck Searcy

Shane Wall <shane.wall at translingualexpress.com> wrote:  [ Vietnam Business Forum ]

Great list Craig.

Here's my list, not in prioritized order because I consider all of them 
equally important, and some comments, thoughts or examples.

*1. Willing to openly canvass and listen to all opinions, including 
ones the leader may disagree with.*
Only by listening to all views and perspectives can the correct 
one be found.

*2. Be totally committed to the welfare of the "entity" being led as a 
whole, not just elements within it.*
If only one section of the entity is cared for, human nature will 
quickly ensure that the entity disintegrates. This also means that 
sometimes a leader must be willing to harm part of the whole in order 
for the whole to become or remain healthy. A true example is the Ship 
Captain whose ship has an uncontrolled fire in the engineroom. He knows 
there are 4 sailors still in the engineroom and 195 others safe. He does 
not know if the 4 are still alive or dead already. He orders the 
engineroom sealed and the firefighting chemical Halon to be dumped into 
the compartment. Halon is lethally toxic when it reacts with fire 
(that's part of how it works). He knows if the 4 are alive, he has just 
killed them. He knows if he does not extinguish the fire, he places all 
195 others in jeopardy. I know this story is FACT because it happened in 
the Royal Australian Navy when I was still serving.

*3. Not afraid to make the hard decisions, like the example above, for 
the good of the whole.*

*4. Able to be self-critical and honest about mistakes or errors.*
The member of a sports team who gives their all and is defeated by 
their opponent because the coach put them in the wrong position or gave 
the wrong task is not to blame for losing the game, the coach who put 
there is. The coach must then be able to exonerate the player and take 
the blame.

*5. Never asks another to do what he/she would not do themselves*, 
a.k.a. lead by example or leading from the front.
This does not mean the leader has to actually participate, but it 
does mean that those being led must know that when placed in the same 
position, the leader DID do exactly what he/she is now asking others to 
do, so understands their plight.

*6. Is cooperative rather than combative or manipulative.*

*7. Honest, moral, ethical and upstanding with a sense of justice and 
what is "right".*
Nothing loses the respect of the led faster than some misdeed by a 
leader. Nonetheless, this does not mean the leader cannot have made 
mistakes, (See 4. above), but just how they handle them. Another true 
story. On learning that their team leader was simply writing his own 
reports based on his own presumptions and perceptions and not analyzing 
and compiling their results and reports as he should have done, the team 
simply stopped collecting the information and writing the reports - not 
a healthy situation for intelligence operators. When I took over the 
team, they were the worst, most demoralized team and the laughing stock 
of the Unit. Morale was deeper than Whale doo-doo!

*8. Openly and equitably distributes and shares the benefits and burdens.*
I've seen instances where everything is shared equally (a 
Communist-style model) and others where things are shared according to 
pre-determined criteria or systems (a Capitalist-style model). From my 
(limited) experience, it doesn't seem to matter which method is used, 
rather that it is open and mutually agreed upon (See 6. above).

*9. Deep understanding of the aspirations, wishes, needs and desires of 
the led.*
Without this understanding, no leader can ever hope to satisfy 
these things for their followers.

*10. Willingness to delegate responsibilities, reward success and 
rectify the causes of failure.*
By letting people undertake important tasks, rewarding them when 
they succeed and helping rectify the reasons they may have failed, a 
leader builds trust. From mutual trust comes teamwork. From teamwork 
comes success. Any team-building guru will tell you that, or something 
similar.

Finally, I don't remember where this comes from, but I remember a 
definition of "Leadership":

_*"The ability to make others willingly do what they otherwise do not 
want to do."*_

Have a pleasant Sunday all.

Shane
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mr. Shane Wall
Principal,

Trans Lingual Express
120/14 Mai Thi Luu St,
P. Dakao, Q.1, HCMC,
Vietnam

Mail: shane.wall at translingualexpress.com
Web: www.translingualexpress.com

Mbl: +84 (090) 9484 753 (Anh) - Tel: +84 (8) 820 9143 (Viet)






Craig Stevenson wrote:
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> 
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> To answer the original question, traits of the (one) leader I have in 
> mind:
> 
>
> 1. great concern for his followers
> 2. willing to make the hard decisions
> 3. open, communicative, and energetic
> 4. includes the concerns/needs of others in his/her decision-making
> process
> 5. Inspiring
> 6. dedicated
> 7. honest
> 8. hard-working
> 9. serves as a role model
>
> I listed these as they came to mind, not sure how to prioritize them 
> or if I should, perhaps they are prioritized. Perhaps they are 
> intertwined and couldn't be separated fully, either to answer the 
> question, or for the purposes of scientific study.
> 
> Craig 
>
> 
> On 7/14/07, *AD Marshall* > > wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> 
>
> Thien oi,
>
> Your comments on group (or "community"?) development and
> maintenance (BeLow) are indeed intriguing, to say the least,
> especially your concluding comment that, "I [ie, you] must be the
> one who takes the final decision". 
>
> Thanks indeed for yet again dispelling any notion i might have
> again entertained that living here might be becoming monotonous or
> even predictable. 
>
> Admittedly i must wonder if i'm witnessing or experiencing some
> sort of communications disconnect or not. But assuming "not", i
> would then wonder at what sorts of correlations might be found
> between your comments and the incessant lament i've heard from
> people here who source Vietnamese software programmers for
> overseas work, ie, that Vietnamese programmers are remarkably
> team-work challenged.
>
> With warm wishes,
> AD Marshall
>
> On 7/15/07, *Tran Ba Thien* > > wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> 
>
> Dear anh Hoanh and CACC,
> 
> First I am not very cynical on against the current social
> system of Vietnam.I feel ok with this circumstance and
> condition. It meets my needs and my values of democracy and
> values of development. No, I never agree the system totally.
> but I encounter not many problems to complain.
> 
> In the role of a leader, what do I need to do for me and for
> my members? It's very interesting question.
> 
> -First I need to achieve the goal of my group as effective as
> possible.
> -Then I need to set up friendship environment in our group. I
> may name the activity as building up group culture. I need to
> respect my member's idea, their values and their hopes. I need
> to litsen to them and protect their reputation their interests.
> 
> -Every member and I need to understand that the success of our
> group is from all not from some specific persons.
> -The group must give opportunities of developing to every
> member in equally and fairly.
> 
> I must be the one who takes the final decision
> 
> If I cannot apply one of the above indicators, I must resign.
> 
> best regards,
> Tran Ba Thien
> tranbathien at gmail.com
> 
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Tran Dinh Hoanh
> 
>
> *To:* vnbiz at vietlinks.net
> 
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:45 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking
> for in your leader?
>
> 
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dear brother Thien & CACC,
> 
> Thanks for the frank and emotional response, anh Thien. 
> And thanks for your frankness and courage. Frankness and
> courage are very rare commodity anywhere in the world. 
> 
> Of course, I understand exactly what you are talking
> about. If there is any consolation, I have never been able
> to choose anyone I really like either. When I was in
> Vietnam, of course, we had no choice. In the US, I often
> did the task of choosing the least bad guy among the bad
> guys. Hard to find good leaders. That is just the nature
> of life.
> 
> The issues you raise are not simple matters. As you say,
> we cannot give the 3-yr-old kid the 7-yr-old-kid
> clothing. Democracy is a process, in which economic and
> social development as well as the human relationship among
> the citizens play a major role. Indeed, I think democracy
> is not a destination, but a journey.
> 
> These all are matters close to my heart. But we will
> develop this thread about democracy, choosing leaders and
> citizen responsibilities in the future, so that we don't
> confuse our current discussion: What is your own idea of
> leadership?
> 
> So brother Thien, assuming that you don't really care
> about other leaders because you have no right to really
> choose the leaders you like and everything is imposed from
> above, I agree with you absolutely and I am sympathetic
> with you. So let me switch the angle a little and ask you
> this question: You must be the leader of someone, be that
> your younger brother or sister, your children, your
> students, or someone you have been mentoring. In
> such capacity as that person's leader, what do you think
> you need in order to to fulfill your job? 
> 
> I don't care about other guys. I care about you. What
> your idea of leadership is? What do you demand of
> yourself as a leader of someone?
> 
> Have a great day!
> 
> Hoanh
> 
>
>
> 
> On 7/13/07, *Tran Ba Thien* < tranbathien at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> 
>
> Dear anh Hoanh,
> 
> for the question of yours, I tell you my truth. That's
> what I really performed in every election in Vietnam.
> 
> I have no choice, nothing at all. My family members
> and I used to meet together then asked who might have
> time to go voting. Then we selected someone. The
> person would take our voter card to go to the voting
> place. The person would have no choice at all. He/she
> deleted some candidates accidentally then voted.
> 
> It's not my joke story. But It's my real. Sometime, I
> don't care the percentage of who have real choice and
> who have no choice in election. A few months ago, in
> the voting day for congress election, my friend was
> very busy. No one of his family could go voting. then
> his "to truong dan pho" came and asked his family gave
> him their voter cards. He did voting for them.
> 
> Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the truth.
> 
> In my real life, I really don't have opportunity to
> choose and to vote my leader. The position is set up
> from above. But if you want to know my knowledge about
> how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many things.
> All of them come from my theory, my dream and nothing
> from my real. You might be surprised. I can understand
> your reaction. For me, my choice is not to select how
> to perform my democracy but what I can gain from this
> type of democracy. I feel ok. This type of society can
> give me enough opportunity to get paid, to get food
> and that's all.
> 
> In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very simple.
> When the boy is 3 year you just give him 3-year
> clothes. When he is 10 you need to give him 10-year
> clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a 10-year
> clothes because it cannot meet his needs. Then the
> type of democracy is the same. I think we have talked
> about definition of democracy many times. In this
> issues, I don't want to talk about democracy but
> leadership. I have no choice in electing. Then I
> cannot give you a correct answer. I am very serious. I
> understand my answer doesn't meet your question
> correctly. But according to your words, I try to give
> my best.
> 
> best regards,
> Tran Ba Thien
> tranbathien at gmail.com
> 
>
> -- 
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC 
>
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From ductruong at kimvang.com  Sun Jul 15 18:07:47 2007
From: ductruong at kimvang.com (Cty CP Tin Hoc Kim Vang)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:07:47 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Choosing job or choosing profession?
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Dear A.Hoanh

I have read your article entitled "Chon Viec hay Chon Nghe", it make me think about myself.  You right when you said that "?i?u kh? kh?n nh?t cho nhi?u ng??i trong ch?ng ta kh?ng ph?i l? ?am m? g?, m? l? ch?ng bi?t m?nh c? ?am m? g?.?" That is question I ask myself many time but until now i have no answer.

I hope everybody know what we like.

Have a nice week!

Best regard,

Truong Thi Duc 
Skype: truong.thi.duc

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tran Dinh Hoanh 
  To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net 
  Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 2:38 AM
  Subject: [Vnbiz] Choosing job or choosing profession?


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  Dear CACC,

  Below FYI  is the link to my short article entitled Chon Viec hay Chon Nghe on the Viec Lam supplement of Lao Dong Newspaper that chi Nga` manages.

  http://laodong.com.vn/Home/vieclam/2007/7/45285.laodong 

  Have a great day!

  Hoanh

  -- 
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  Washington DC 


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From cstevenson2000 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 15 18:25:55 2007
From: cstevenson2000 at gmail.com (Craig Stevenson)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:25:55 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
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Shane:

Great List, Shane. Thank you.

Craig


On 7/15/07, Chuck Searcy <chucksearcy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [ Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> *Shane, good list.  Sensible, and proven by experience.  -- Chuck Searcy*
>
> *Shane Wall <shane.wall at translingualexpress.com>* wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> Great list Craig.
>
> Here's my list, not in prioritized order because I consider all of them
> equally important, and some comments, thoughts or examples.
>
> *1. Willing to openly canvass and listen to all opinions, including
> ones the leader may disagree with.*
> Only by listening to all views and perspectives can the correct
> one be found.
>
> *2. Be totally committed to the welfare of the "entity" being led as a
> whole, not just elements within it.*
> If only one section of the entity is cared for, human nature will
> quickly ensure that the entity disintegrates. This also means that
> sometimes a leader must be willing to harm part of the whole in order
> for the whole to become or remain healthy. A true example is the Ship
> Captain whose ship has an uncontrolled fire in the engineroom. He knows
> there are 4 sailors still in the engineroom and 195 others safe. He does
> not know if the 4 are still alive or dead already. He orders the
> engineroom sealed and the firefighting chemical Halon to be dumped into
> the compartment. Halon is lethally toxic when it reacts with fire
> (that's part of how it works). He knows if the 4 are alive, he has just
> killed them. He knows if he does not extinguish the fire, he places all
> 195 others in jeopardy. I know this story is FACT because it happened in
> the Royal Australian Navy when I was still serving.
>
> *3. Not afraid to make the hard decisions, like the example above, for
> the good of the whole.*
>
> *4. Able to be self-critical and honest about mistakes or errors.*
> The member of a sports team who gives their all and is defeated by
> their opponent because the coach put them in the wrong position or gave
> the wrong task is not to blame for losing the game, the coach who put
> there is. The coach must then be able to exonerate the player and take
> the blame.
>
> *5. Never asks another to do what he/she would not do themselves*,
> a.k.a. lead by example or leading from the front.
> This does not mean the leader has to actually participate, but it
> does mean that those being led must know that when placed in the same
> position, the leader DID do exactly what he/she is now asking others to
> do, so understands their plight.
>
> *6. Is cooperative rather than combative or manipulative.*
>
> *7. Honest, moral, ethical and upstanding with a sense of justice and
> what is "right".*
> Nothing loses the respect of the led faster than some misdeed by a
> leader. Nonetheless, this does not mean the leader cannot have made
> mistakes, (See 4. above), but just how they handle them. Another true
> story. On learning that their team leader was simply writing his own
> reports based on his own presumptions and perceptions and not analyzing
> and compiling their results and reports as he should have done, the team
> simply stopped collecting the information and writing the reports - not
> a healthy situation for intelligence operators. When I took over the
> team, they were the worst, most demoralized team and the laughing stock
> of the Unit. Morale was deeper than Whale doo-doo!
>
> *8. Openly and equitably distributes and shares the benefits and burdens.*
> I've seen instances where everything is shared equally (a
> Communist-style model) and others where things are shared according to
> pre-determined criteria or systems (a Capitalist-style model). From my
> (limited) experience, it doesn't seem to matter which method is used,
> rather that it is open and mutually agreed upon (See 6. above).
>
> *9. Deep understanding of the aspirations, wishes, needs and desires of
> the led.*
> Without this understanding, no leader can ever hope to satisfy
> these things for their followers.
>
> *10. Willingness to delegate responsibilities, reward success and
> rectify the causes of failure.*
> By letting people undertake important tasks, rewarding them when
> they succeed and helping rectify the reasons they may have failed, a
> leader builds trust. From mutual trust comes teamwork. From teamwork
> comes success. Any team-building guru will tell you that, or something
> similar.
>
> Finally, I don't remember where this comes from, but I remember a
> definition of "Leadership":
>
> _*"The ability to make others willingly do what they otherwise do not
> want to do."*_
>
> Have a pleasant Sunday all.
>
> Shane
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mr. Shane Wall
> Principal,
>
> Trans Lingual Express
> 120/14 Mai Thi Luu St,
> P. Dakao, Q.1, HCMC,
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>
> Mail: shane.wall at translingualexpress.com
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> Mbl: +84 (090) 9484 753 (Anh) - Tel: +84 (8) 820 9143 (Viet)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Craig Stevenson wrote:
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > To answer the original question, traits of the (one) leader I have in
> > mind:
> >
> >
> > 1. great concern for his followers
> > 2. willing to make the hard decisions
> > 3. open, communicative, and energetic
> > 4. includes the concerns/needs of others in his/her decision-making
> > process
> > 5. Inspiring
> > 6. dedicated
> > 7. honest
> > 8. hard-working
> > 9. serves as a role model
> >
> > I listed these as they came to mind, not sure how to prioritize them
> > or if I should, perhaps they are prioritized. Perhaps they are
> > intertwined and couldn't be separated fully, either to answer the
> > question, or for the purposes of scientific study.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> > On 7/14/07, *AD Marshall* > > wrote:
> >
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> > Thien oi,
> >
> > Your comments on group (or "community"?) development and
> > maintenance (BeLow) are indeed intriguing, to say the least,
> > especially your concluding comment that, "I [ie, you] must be the
> > one who takes the final decision".
> >
> > Thanks indeed for yet again dispelling any notion i might have
> > again entertained that living here might be becoming monotonous or
> > even predictable.
> >
> > Admittedly i must wonder if i'm witnessing or experiencing some
> > sort of communications disconnect or not. But assuming "not", i
> > would then wonder at what sorts of correlations might be found
> > between your comments and the incessant lament i've heard from
> > people here who source Vietnamese software programmers for
> > overseas work, ie, that Vietnamese programmers are remarkably
> > team-work challenged.
> >
> > With warm wishes,
> > AD Marshall
> >
> > On 7/15/07, *Tran Ba Thien* > > wrote:
> >
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear anh Hoanh and CACC,
> >
> > First I am not very cynical on against the current social
> > system of Vietnam.I feel ok with this circumstance and
> > condition. It meets my needs and my values of democracy and
> > values of development. No, I never agree the system totally.
> > but I encounter not many problems to complain.
> >
> > In the role of a leader, what do I need to do for me and for
> > my members? It's very interesting question.
> >
> > -First I need to achieve the goal of my group as effective as
> > possible.
> > -Then I need to set up friendship environment in our group. I
> > may name the activity as building up group culture. I need to
> > respect my member's idea, their values and their hopes. I need
> > to litsen to them and protect their reputation their interests.
> >
> > -Every member and I need to understand that the success of our
> > group is from all not from some specific persons.
> > -The group must give opportunities of developing to every
> > member in equally and fairly.
> >
> > I must be the one who takes the final decision
> >
> > If I cannot apply one of the above indicators, I must resign.
> >
> > best regards,
> > Tran Ba Thien
> > tranbathien at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Tran Dinh Hoanh
> >
> >
> > *To:* vnbiz at vietlinks.net
> >
> >
> > *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:45 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking
> > for in your leader?
> >
> >
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Dear brother Thien & CACC,
> >
> > Thanks for the frank and emotional response, anh Thien.
> > And thanks for your frankness and courage. Frankness and
> > courage are very rare commodity anywhere in the world.
> >
> > Of course, I understand exactly what you are talking
> > about. If there is any consolation, I have never been able
> > to choose anyone I really like either. When I was in
> > Vietnam, of course, we had no choice. In the US, I often
> > did the task of choosing the least bad guy among the bad
> > guys. Hard to find good leaders. That is just the nature
> > of life.
> >
> > The issues you raise are not simple matters. As you say,
> > we cannot give the 3-yr-old kid the 7-yr-old-kid
> > clothing. Democracy is a process, in which economic and
> > social development as well as the human relationship among
> > the citizens play a major role. Indeed, I think democracy
> > is not a destination, but a journey.
> >
> > These all are matters close to my heart. But we will
> > develop this thread about democracy, choosing leaders and
> > citizen responsibilities in the future, so that we don't
> > confuse our current discussion: What is your own idea of
> > leadership?
> >
> > So brother Thien, assuming that you don't really care
> > about other leaders because you have no right to really
> > choose the leaders you like and everything is imposed from
> > above, I agree with you absolutely and I am sympathetic
> > with you. So let me switch the angle a little and ask you
> > this question: You must be the leader of someone, be that
> > your younger brother or sister, your children, your
> > students, or someone you have been mentoring. In
> > such capacity as that person's leader, what do you think
> > you need in order to to fulfill your job?
> >
> > I don't care about other guys. I care about you. What
> > your idea of leadership is? What do you demand of
> > yourself as a leader of someone?
> >
> > Have a great day!
> >
> > Hoanh
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/13/07, *Tran Ba Thien* < tranbathien at gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear anh Hoanh,
> >
> > for the question of yours, I tell you my truth. That's
> > what I really performed in every election in Vietnam.
> >
> > I have no choice, nothing at all. My family members
> > and I used to meet together then asked who might have
> > time to go voting. Then we selected someone. The
> > person would take our voter card to go to the voting
> > place. The person would have no choice at all. He/she
> > deleted some candidates accidentally then voted.
> >
> > It's not my joke story. But It's my real. Sometime, I
> > don't care the percentage of who have real choice and
> > who have no choice in election. A few months ago, in
> > the voting day for congress election, my friend was
> > very busy. No one of his family could go voting. then
> > his "to truong dan pho" came and asked his family gave
> > him their voter cards. He did voting for them.
> >
> > Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the truth.
> >
> > In my real life, I really don't have opportunity to
> > choose and to vote my leader. The position is set up
> > from above. But if you want to know my knowledge about
> > how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many things.
> > All of them come from my theory, my dream and nothing
> > from my real. You might be surprised. I can understand
> > your reaction. For me, my choice is not to select how
> > to perform my democracy but what I can gain from this
> > type of democracy. I feel ok. This type of society can
> > give me enough opportunity to get paid, to get food
> > and that's all.
> >
> > In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very simple.
> > When the boy is 3 year you just give him 3-year
> > clothes. When he is 10 you need to give him 10-year
> > clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a 10-year
> > clothes because it cannot meet his needs. Then the
> > type of democracy is the same. I think we have talked
> > about definition of democracy many times. In this
> > issues, I don't want to talk about democracy but
> > leadership. I have no choice in electing. Then I
> > cannot give you a correct answer. I am very serious. I
> > understand my answer doesn't meet your question
> > correctly. But according to your words, I try to give
> > my best.
> >
> > best regards,
> > Tran Ba Thien
> > tranbathien at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> > Washington DC
> >
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From duyennv at gmail.com  Sun Jul 15 20:48:33 2007
From: duyennv at gmail.com (Duyen Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:48:33 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] [VNPH Family] Hanoi must make choices
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Dear A Hoanh and CACC,

Thanks brother Hoanh for your pro-environment development analysis. I just
come accross an article in recent *Far Eastern Economic Review*, regarding
how China dealing with this. I hope that you can see similarity between
China and Vietnam.

Give me 2 cents for typing on very hot weekend in Hanoi as I could not
access FEER online.

Have a great week ahead.
Cheers

On 7/16/07, Hien Dao <hien at youthaidscoalition.org> wrote:
>
> [Vietnam Public Health Forum]
>
>
>
> Dear Brother Hoanh,
>
> It's so great to raise such ...hot issue concerning environment in Hanoi.
> So many problems to talk about, and you are all right. Just one thing, about
> using buses, i my self don't agree with. Such huge machines are so dangerous
> to others... Ah, I don't blame for that great machines, but the drivers, no
> thanks.
>
> Wish you all a great week.
>
> Hien
>
> On 7/15/07, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > [Vietnam Public Health Forum]
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Serge & Brothers/Sisters,
> >
> > Very interesting question, brother Serge.  Who would want to slow down
> > development?  I think we all know the answer:  No one.  It is impossible to
> > convince someone, least of all a developing country that is trying to get
> > out of poverty, to slow down development. It is a losing position to try to
> > convince people to slow down development.
> >
> > Instead of trying to slow down, we must think about taking care of the
> > environment as development goes.  The truth of the matter is that in many
> > big cities of the world we have always had horrendous traffic jam and air
> > pollution, regardless how governments have tried to open new road and impose
> > stricter car exhaust standards.  That testifies to the natural fact that
> > development will always go one step ahead of environmental cleanup, just
> > like at home, we cook and eat and throw garbage around before we do house
> > cleaning.
> >
> > So instead of trying to convince governments to slow down development,
> > we need to constantly come up with environment-friendly development ideas,
> > like focusing on eco-tourism and keeping the envrionment green instead of
> > hotel blocks and booze and gambling; focusing on public transportation like
> > subway and buses;  enforcing environmental regulations on factories,
> > focusing on waste management, running a constant "clean and beautiful city
> > campaign," etc.
> >
> > In this kind of task, it would be wise for environment advocates to work
> > with tourism and public health authorities (because environment directly
> > affects tourism and public health), self-help groups of citizens with
> > serious environment problems (such as communities adversely affected by a
> > major factory), consumer advocacy groups (who would be able to organize
> > campaigns to boycott environmentally abusive companies) and industry leaders
> > (who understand the wishes of a consuming public who is constantly getting
> > smarter by the time).
> >
> > Instead of taking the position of "environment versus development," we
> > need to take the position of "environment-unfriendly development versus
> > environment friendly development."
> >
> > Have a great day!
> >
> > Hoanh
> >
> > On 7/14/07, Serge Doussantousse <sergefabali at yahoo.fr > wrote:
> >
> > > [Vietnam Public Health Forum]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Family,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am always puzzled by such title: "Hanoi must make choices" But the
> > > question is *who, what is **Hanoi* ... Economist, Publicist, Law
> > > Makers, UN officials Consumers, Citizens... are promoting / avid a kind of
> > > Development at all cost and there is not forum and space for alternatives...
> > > You ask the same people who are in power to do the opposite they were
> > > advocating 10-15 years ago... Can they do it... Do they want?... Not sure?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the story?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Serge Doussantousse
> > > Research Consultant
> > > tel: 020 2418398
> > > home 856 21-21 41 49 19
> > > Vientiane-- Lao PDR
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> > > Washington DC
> > >
> >
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From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Mon Jul 16 04:30:13 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:30:13 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Barest minimum
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF4155B@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>



Monday July 16, 2007


Barest minimum

Stories by TAN GIM EAN
The Star online - Malaysia

The villagers of Van Nho, in one of the poorest districts in Vietnam, struggle hard to survive. 

THERE is no crime in Van Nho, a sprawling highland village where people leave their doors open as they tend the fields, and attap thatched huts surrounded by clumps of greenery, viewed from a distance, could pass off as holiday chalets in exotic locales. 

But, step into one of these huts, built from bamboo and wood, and any thought of luxurious comfort immediately disappears. The inhabitants of these homes hardly have anything to call their own, let alone tempt an intruder. 

  
Living off the land: Low-quality seeds and outdated farming methods result in poor yields. 
Van Nho falls within the perimeter of Ba Thuoc, one of the poorest of 27 districts in Thanh Hoa, a province located over 270km south of Hanoi.  

Most of the huts in Van Nho are bare. What visitors may see are a soot-encrusted kettle, an equally-black pot for boiling rice and cassava (the staple foods), some rolled-up mats and woolly, floral-print blankets. 

There is no water supply, no proper toilet, no furniture, or the little personal belongings that make up a home.  

Guests won't smell cooking wafting from a pot, or trip over toys strewn across the floor. At most, they will be served hot tea from containers that look like they could do with a good scrub. 

Over 65% of Ba Thuoc's 10,400 inhabitants live below the poverty line. According to 2006 figures released by the Vietnamese government, they survive on less than US$12.50 (RM43) per month. Over 67% of the 21,753 households in this district farm land for self-consumption; a few earn extra Vietnamese Dong (VND) from raising cattle, chicken and pigs. The annual income per household is US$120 (RM414). 

Farm plots are given out by the government, according to the size of each family. On average, a four-member household will get about 500 square metres - which often don't produce enough for everyone. Thus, after the stored grains are eaten, over 70% of the population go hungry during the three months leading up to the harvest season, in May. 

Harvests are not occasions to celebrate either, because yields are poor due to low-quality seeds, backward farming methods, lack of water for irrigation, a high incidence of disease and excessive use of pesticides. 

The children of Ba Thuoc are often malnourished, evident in their small build and copper-tinged hair - evident to a group of journalists who visited the district early July on a tour organised by World Vision Malaysia (WVM). 

World Vision (WV) is an international humanitarian and advocacy organisation that strives to help the poor to help themselves. The Malaysian arm, set up in 1997, serves as a support office that raises funds for projects targeted at children and needy families, at home and abroad.  

A key WVM fund-raising event is the annual 30-Hour Famine, which will be held for the 10th consecutive year come Sept 15. Ba Thuoc is one of the beneficiaries of this year's famine, which aims to raise RM1.5mil. 

  
Makeshift classroom: Villagers value education above all else. 
Le Quang Dao, manager of WV's Area Development Programme (ADP) in Ba Thuoc, has spent the last nine months talking to its people about their problems and needs. 

The media group visited the home of Ha An Bao at Tra Ky, a highland village in Dien Quang commune. Bao could well speak for his neighbours and friends, when he lists lack of food and having to live in a temporary stilt hut as his major concerns.  

The ex-soldier was allotted 650 sq m of land for rice and another 2,000 sq m for cassava. Sadly, low yields means that sometimes, there's not enough for his family of six. 

He also wishes that he had the 45 million VND (RM9,600) needed to build a simple concrete house. While having a stable abode may remain a dream for him, he is firm about his hopes for his two grandsons.  

  
Hopeful: Ha An Bao wants his grandchildren to have a better future. 
"They need a proper school, from kindergarten level to high school. I hope they will have enough food to eat, clean water and proper toilets, and good roads that link the different villages," Bao says. 

  
Bumpy ride: A pot-holed road in Ba Thuoc. 
Except for a lucky handful who own motorcycles, people go everywhere on foot in Tra Ky. The sick have to be carried in makeshift stretchers to the nearest health centre - often a 10-hour journey over uneven terrain, potholes and puddles of mud. 

Ultimately, Bao hopes that the future generations will have access to new and better agricultural techniques. "Now, my land cannot produce enough to feed my family because of backward farming methods, passed down through the generations, and low-quality seeds." 

Bao harvests his rice fields twice yearly, and his cassava plants, once. His whole family, like most of those in Tra Ky, live on what they grow. Last year, he had a buffalo, but it died as a result of diarrhoea. This year, his pig died too. He seems quite resigned to his losses. "We eat rice mixed with cassava the whole year round," he says. "We haven't had meat for months." 

But malnutrition takes its toll on him and his fellow villagers. He notes that the elderly are prone to fever, diarrhoea, malaria and aches and pains - from years of back-bending work in the fields. 

When asked what makes him happy, Bao is at a loss for words. After some thought, he reveals that satellite television - thanks to the introduction of electricity to the commune in 2004 - gives the whole village access to its only form of entertainment. 

He cannot afford a (14-inch) TV set, which costs about RM690, nor the RM100 for the satellite connection. But there's nothing to stop him from heading for a neighbour's house where, for a while at least, he can forget his dismal surroundings as he is drawn to the bright, flitting images on the screen.
 
 

From vern.weitzel at gmail.com  Mon Jul 16 04:32:25 2007
From: vern.weitzel at gmail.com (Vern Weitzel)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:32:25 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] HOA SEN UNIVERSITY: DEAN and FULL/ PART-TIME TEACHING
	POSITIONS
Message-ID: <469B5749.8060900@gmail.com>

Subject: 	Could you help out ? Thanks
Date: 	Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:48:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: 	chinh nguyenba <bachinh2003 at yahoo.com.au>

HOA SEN UNIVERSITY

*DEAN and FULL/ PART-TIME TEACHING POSITIONS*

Hoa Sen University* (www.hoasen.edu.vn <http://www.hoasen.edu.vn/>)
continues inviting nominations and applications for full/part-time
teaching positions and Dean of Business Administration.

    1. Business Administration (Master's, MBA, PhD, DBA, all majors)

    2. Finance/ Accounting/ Banking (Master's, PhD, DBA)

    3. Human Resources management/Tourism and Hospitality (Master's, PhD)

The University is now also inviting expressions of interest from
excellent individuals to apply for Dean of Health Services Department
(Nursing education).

The Career

The Dean appointee for Business Administration Department will be
expected to lead respective department and provide leaderships for the
university. The Dean is also expected to carry out academic
administration, outreach activities, and research, and provide
  consulting/training services at local and international levels.

The Qualifications and Experience

The minimum requirement for Dean position is a PhD/ DBA degree and at
least a Master??s degree for teaching positions from a well-reputed
university from the USA, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, France,
Switzerland, Austria, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Singapore,
Scandinavia, Japan, Korea, India (IIM), China/ HongKong, Thailand and
Phils with specialization/ international accreditations in the above areas.

Appointees are expected to possess:

-Strong leadership skills and the ability to develop a shared vision
among multiple constituencies.

-Ability to develop and execute complex organizational strategies.

-Significant experience living and working in Vietnam and other areas of
the world.

-Fluent in English is a must and working knowledge of one language other
than English and Vietnamese is highly expected.

-Highly collaborative, adaptive, and entrepreneurial style.

-Ready to relocate to Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam

The appointees are expected to join the University in either August 2007
or Feb 2008.

The Remuneration

Excellent pay package and career growth are expected for qualified
candidates.

The Application and Further Information

Please submit a detailed CV, a cover letter and three references (pdf
files) via email to:

Chinh Nguyen, nbchinh at hoasen.edu.vn <mailto:nbchinh at hoasen.edu.vn>

HOA SEN UNIVERSITY IS EQUAL OPPORTUNITY/ AFFIRMATIVE ACTION EMPLOYER.

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Mon Jul 16 04:33:04 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:33:04 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Hunger for knowledge
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF4155C@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

Hunger for knowledge
Stories by TAN GIM EAN
The Star online  - Malaysia
Monday July 16, 2007


NGUYEN Tuong Linh does not have a dollar to her name. She farms a 500 square metre plot that yields about 400kg of rice yearly. That, together with some vegetables she plants, are just enough to feed her husband and son. 

"I have no money and my son is just as poor," says the 61-year-old farmer matter-of-factly, as she sat upright on a mat in her empty home. Whenever she needs cash, she has to sell some chickens or pigs. 

Yet Linh, who belongs to the Muong ethnic minority, is as magnanimous as any philanthropist. She allows a group of primary schoolchildren to use the space beneath her stilt hut in Kho village in Dien Quang commune as their school.  

  
Doing her bit: Nguyen Tuong Linh allows primary schoolchildren to use the space below her stilt hut as a classroom. 
The hut has no water supply and the children dart to the nearby bushes when nature calls. Still, that rectangular space is sheltered and airy, and it gives them, especially those who live too far from the nearest proper primary school, the chance to attend classes. 

"I like teachers and studying," Linh says softly, when asked why she didn't hesitate to let her home be used as a school when approached by the Vietnamese government. 

Having dropped out of school after Grade 7, she knows the importance of a good education. Her bachelor son, who is 32 and lives next door in a concrete house which they managed to build last year, finished high school (Grade 12) but was unable to get a job. So, like her, he has to till the land. 

Linh, like most of the inhabitants of Ba Thuoc, is concerned about education, which ranks above health, agricultural techniques and animal husbandry as the issue villagers want most help with under World Vision's (WV) Area Development Programme (ADP).  

After months of visiting schools to talk to principals, teachers, students and village leaders, Le Quang Dao, ADP manager for the district, has arrived at a bleak analysis: primary schools at hamlet level still lack the proper facilities.  

Roofs leak and children, as well as learning kits, get wet when it rains.  

Furniture is rudimentary - the rough-hewn long tables and benches are often old and broken, floors are dirty, and the walls of classrooms are literally bare, save for a portrait of Ho Chi Minh.  

There is inadequate sanitation and infrastructure is just as bad; the majority of the kids have to leave home at 5 in the morning - often on empty stomachs - and walk two hours to school.  

After classes end at 11.30am, they trudge home to eat the same bland lunch daily - rice mixed with cassava and, if they're lucky, some greens.  

When it pours, roads get flooded or landslides occur, thus forcing them to skip school. 

Students don't have textbooks or writing materials, let alone the knick-knacks that fill the bags of the average Malaysian child today.  

Some children don't even get a chance to enrol for lessons because their parents cannot afford to pay the required donation towards the "school construction fee". 

Many schools lack teaching aids; those that have them may not have the proper place to store them. Or, teachers are not trained to use such equipment.  

Between high levels of illiteracy and drop-out rates lies the problem of language. Almost all the pre-school kids of ethnic minorities (Thai and Muong, for example) cannot speak and write Vietnamese. This inability to communicate, often up till Grade Three to Five, affects their confidence and, subsequently, their performance in school. 

Dao observes that Ba Thuoc's villagers are receptive to WV's approach of forming what it calls "partnerships", whereby the poor are taught how to help themselves. 

During the last nine months - termed the Seed Phase - he met with them, as well as commune leaders and provincial representatives to find out the root cause of problems and work out a programme that involves education, agriculture, health, water and sanitation, disaster mitigation and livelihood support. 

He has compiled a detailed assessment report on natural and socio-economic conditions in four specific ADP communes, namely Dien Quang, Van Nho, Thanh Son and Ky Tan.  

The next step of this phase is to design specific programmes for each commune, which will then be implemented over five-year periods.  

WV allots a time frame of 10 to 15 years for its programmes to make a difference in the lives of its "partners".  

It then steps out of the picture to allow the community to build an independent, sustainable future. Currently, WV works in over 100 countries across the globe. It has a hand in over 5,000 projects involving more than 100 million people.

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Mon Jul 16 04:36:47 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:36:47 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] World Ecosystems of Vietnam's long coastline are in peril
Message-ID: <4062487BDB6029428A763CAEF4E1FE5B0CF4155D@wdcrobe2m03.ed.gov>

World Ecosystems of Vietnam's long coastline are in peril  

Sunday July 15, 2007   
 NHA TRANG, Vietnam (Reuters) - It was the destruction of coral reef and over-fishing that moved artist Nguyen Lieu to paint brightly coloured canvasses warning Vietnamese that their coastal environment is in peril.

"Nha Trang is the most beautiful bay recognized worldwide but exploitation there is chaotic," Lieu, 53, said at Galerie DEWI, where 15 of his oil paintings were exhibited in June and July.

His home town on the south-central coast has smooth sandy beaches, islands and mountains, but it also carries the burden of the ugly side of rapid development and fast-growing tourism.

It is a story being repeated up and down the impoverished country's 3,200 km (2,000 mile)-long coastline, despite awareness among officialdom and non-governmental groups to harmonize conservation and making a living from the sea.

Oil slicks, dead rivers and polluted air are part of an often-bleak environmental picture as Vietnam's 85 million people head toward industrialization.

Lieu's art is unusual in communist-run Vietnam in that it displays a consciousness about a contemporary global issue. Seen through his eyes, there is a dire need to preserve and protect coral reefs and marine life for future generations.

For good reason, environmentalists say. Research shows Vietnam is a "biodiversity hotspot" with ecosystems under threat. Less than 25 percent of coral reefs surveyed have living coral and 75 percent are at high or very high risk, eight times the southeast Asian average.

MOTHER PROCTECTOR

Lieu's impressionist works in the exhibit "Sea 80 Square" each feature a mother protector as an elongated, cloaked figure in a conical hat or a face in the ocean.

"I would like to send a message to viewers to understand that the sea is like the mother," said Lieu. "I used the image of a mother's face as the face of this sea, this bay."

Lieu varies his colors from blues to greens, to reds and browns and violet to depict each stage of the ocean's condition, whether it be clear and clean or dirty and damaged.

Visitors and residents of Nha Trang say they can find fish swimming close to the beach one day but the water unswimmable the next because of styrofoam, plastic bags and pieces of wood.

Diving clubs and businesses have spawned along the main palm tree-lined oceanfront boulevard alongside high-rise hotels and some unfinished grey concrete buildings.

"It was really up there compared with a lot of the places I've been. Beautiful," Tanya Anderson of Normal, Illinois, said on one boat after a dive to see the coral. "I saw a little bit of garbage and so it would be nice to clean up some of the garbage."

In one of Lieu's paintings, a smear of yellow and brown represents an oil slick threatening fish in the blue sea.

Oil spills have struck more than 20 provinces on the coast this year, including Nha Trang in Khanh Hoa province. According to Vietnamese media reports, more than 1,720 tonnes of oil have been scraped off the beaches and water.

MYSTERIOUS

The causes are mysterious, according to a series of investigations, which speculated oil came from a leaking oil rig, damaged tanker or oil and gas platforms in the South China Sea.

Environmental awareness and "sustainable development" are built into the government's socio-economic plans to lift people out of poverty, but constant construction and proliferation of tourist sites make it difficult to carry out.

A masterplan to collect and dispose of waste from islands, barges and cages raising aqua products is being worked out, said Truong Kinh, director of Nha Trang Bay Marine Protected Area Authority.

"Now we are facing some challenges and difficulties such as

fast urbanization, the waste coming from industrial, agricultural sectors and daily living," Kinh said.

The government says earnings from sea and seaside business would account for 54 percent of GDP in 2020, increasing pressure on provinces to meet economic targets.

In the southern beach town of Phan Thiet in Binh Thuan province, resort owner Pascal Lefebvre said work was being done in schools to educate young people about how to dispose of waste and rubbish in environmentally-sound ways.

"Any developing country faces those problems. Officials understand the need to preserve the environment here, however it is often a matter of budget and who will finance the plans," Lefebvre said.

A Vietnamese non-governmental organization, the Centre for Marinelife Conservation and Community Development, works with local fishermen in Khanh Hoa province.

The centre's director Nguyen Thu Hue said it encourages fishermen to "take ownership of the water" so they can play an active part in their own business plans.

"What we tell them is that if the environment is ignored, you will have nothing left to live on," she said.

In other parts of Vietnam, research shows that rivers are dying and air pollution is above internationally-accepted levels in the capital, Hanoi.

Surface water in Hanoi was unusable for agriculture or for domestic use, a report in April by the Ministry of Natural Resources and Environment said. The waterways of the biggest urban area, Ho Chi Minh City, are even worse and considered "dead" the report said.

It said most enterprises do not have or do not use wastewater treatment and domestic wastewater is out of control.

(Additional reporting by Nguyen Van Vinh)

? Reuters 2007

From lien.bb at gmail.com  Mon Jul 16 20:37:59 2007
From: lien.bb at gmail.com (Bui Bich Lien)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:37:59 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
In-Reply-To: <a77371e30707142206w762ecf24me625dda6d94705e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <469c39ea.15528c0a.69c9.ffffb652@mx.google.com>

 

All the lists that CACC have submitted are great.

If I come up with my list, I'm sure it will either be repetitive or
overlapped.  Just wanna add one more quality that I expect from my
leader(s), which is 

 

INTEGRITY  

 

  _____  

From: vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com [mailto:vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com]
On Behalf Of Craig Stevenson
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 12:07 PM
To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net
Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?

 

To answer the original question, traits of the (one) leader I have in mind:

 

1.	great concern for his followers
2.	willing to make the hard decisions
3.	open, communicative, and energetic
4.	includes the concerns/needs of others in his/her decision-making
process
5.	Inspiring
6.	dedicated
7.	honest
8.	hard-working
9.	serves as a role model

I listed these as they came to mind, not sure how to prioritize them or if I
should, perhaps they are prioritized.  Perhaps they are intertwined and
couldn't be separated fully, either to answer the question, or for the
purposes of scientific study. 

 

Craig 

 

On 7/14/07, AD Marshall <admarshall at gmail.com> wrote:

[ Vietnam Business Forum ]

 


Thien oi, 

Your comments on group (or "community"?) development and maintenance (BeLow)
are indeed intriguing, to say the least, especially your concluding comment
that, "I [ie, you] must be the one who takes the final decision".   

Thanks indeed for yet again dispelling any notion i might have again
entertained that living here might be becoming monotonous or even
predictable.  

Admittedly i must wonder if i'm witnessing or experiencing some sort of
communications disconnect or not.  But assuming "not", i would then wonder
at what sorts of correlations might be found between your comments and the
incessant lament i've heard from people here who source Vietnamese software
programmers for overseas work, ie, that Vietnamese programmers are
remarkably team-work challenged. 

With warm wishes,
AD Marshall

On 7/15/07, Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com > wrote: 

[ Vietnam Business Forum ]

 

 

Dear anh Hoanh and CACC,

 

First I am not very cynical on against the current social system of
Vietnam.I feel ok with this circumstance and condition. It meets my needs
and my values of democracy and values of development. No, I never agree the
system totally. but I encounter not many problems to complain. 

 

In the role of a leader, what do I need to do for me and for my members?
It's very interesting question.

 

-First I need to achieve the goal of my group as effective as possible.

-Then I need to set up friendship environment in our group. I may name the
activity as building up group culture. I need to respect my member's idea,
their values and their hopes. I need to litsen to them and protect their
reputation their interests. 

 

-Every member and I need to understand that the success of our group is from
all not from some specific persons.

-The group must give opportunities of developing to every member in equally
and fairly.

 

I must be the one who takes the final decision 

 

If I cannot apply one of the above indicators, I must resign.

 

best regards,

Tran Ba Thien
tranbathien at gmail.com
<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com> 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tran Dinh Hoanh
<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tdhoanh at gmail.com>  

To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net
<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=vnbiz at vietlinks.net>  

Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:45 AM 

Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?


 

[ Vietnam Business Forum ]


  _____  


Dear brother Thien & CACC,

 

Thanks for the frank and emotional response, anh Thien.  And thanks for your
frankness and courage.  Frankness and courage are very rare commodity
anywhere in the world.  

 

Of course, I understand exactly what you are talking about. If there is any
consolation, I have never been able to choose anyone I really like either.
When I was in Vietnam, of course, we had no choice.  In the US, I often did
the task of choosing the least bad guy among the bad guys.  Hard to find
good leaders.  That is just the nature of life. 

 

The issues you raise are not simple matters.  As you say, we cannot give the
3-yr-old kid the 7-yr-old-kid clothing.  Democracy is a process, in which
economic and social development as well as the human relationship among the
citizens play a major role.  Indeed, I think democracy is not a destination,
but a journey. 

 

These all are matters close to my heart.  But we will develop this thread
about democracy, choosing leaders and citizen responsibilities in the
future, so that we don't confuse our current discussion:  What is your own
idea of leadership? 

 

So brother Thien, assuming that you don't really care about other leaders
because you have no right to really choose the leaders you like and
everything is imposed from above, I agree with you absolutely and I am
sympathetic with you.  So let me switch the angle a little and ask you this
question:  You must be the leader of someone, be that your younger brother
or sister, your children, your students, or someone you have been mentoring.
In such capacity as that person's leader, what do you think you need in
order to to fulfill your job?  

 

I don't care about other guys.  I care about you.  What your idea of
leadership is?  What do you demand of yourself as a leader of someone?

 

Have a great day!

 

Hoanh

 



 

On 7/13/07, Tran Ba Thien < tranbathien at gmail.com
<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com> >
wrote: 

[ Vietnam Business Forum ]

 

 

Dear anh Hoanh,

 

for the question of yours, I tell you my truth. That's what I really
performed in every election in Vietnam.

 

I have no choice, nothing at all. My family members and I used to meet
together then asked who might have time to go voting. Then we selected
someone. The person would take our voter card to go to the voting place. The
person would have no choice at all. He/she deleted some candidates
accidentally then voted. 

 

It's not my joke story. But It's my real. Sometime, I don't care the
percentage of who have real choice and who have no choice in election. A few
months ago, in the voting day for congress election, my friend was very
busy. No one of his family could go voting. then his "to truong dan pho"
came and asked his family gave him their voter cards. He did voting for
them. 

 

Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the truth.

 

In my real life, I really don't have opportunity to choose and to vote my
leader. The position is set up from above. But if you want to know my
knowledge about how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many things. All of
them come from my theory, my dream and nothing from my real. You might be
surprised. I can understand your reaction. For me, my choice is not to
select how to perform my democracy but what I can gain from this type of
democracy. I feel ok. This type of society can give me enough opportunity to
get paid, to get food and that's all. 

 

In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very simple. When the boy is 3 year
you just give him 3-year clothes. When he is 10 you need to give him 10-year
clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a 10-year clothes because it
cannot meet his needs. Then the type of democracy is the same. I think we
have talked about definition of democracy many times. In this issues, I
don't want to talk about democracy but leadership. I have no choice in
electing. Then I cannot give you a correct answer. I am very serious. I
understand my answer doesn't meet your question correctly. But according to
your words, I try to give my best. 

 

best regards,

Tran Ba Thien
tranbathien at gmail.com
<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com> 

-- 
Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Washington DC 


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From a.ledieu at gmail.com  Mon Jul 16 22:19:23 2007
From: a.ledieu at gmail.com (LeDieu Anh)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:19:23 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
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Dear CACC,

Like sis Lien, I want to add one more: SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY.

A great day to all,
Dieu Anh

On 7/17/07, Bui Bich Lien <lien.bb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
>
> All the lists that CACC have submitted are great.
>
> If I come up with my list, I'm sure it will either be repetitive or
> overlapped.  Just wanna add one more quality that I expect from my
> leader(s), which is
>
>
>
> INTEGRITY
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com [mailto:
> vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig Stevenson
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 12:07 PM
> *To:* vnbiz at vietlinks.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your
> leader?
>
>
>
> To answer the original question, traits of the (one) leader I have in
> mind:
>
>
>
>    1. great concern for his followers
>    2. willing to make the hard decisions
>    3. open, communicative, and energetic
>    4. includes the concerns/needs of others in his/her decision-making
>    process
>    5. Inspiring
>    6. dedicated
>    7. honest
>    8. hard-working
>    9. serves as a role model
>
>  I listed these as they came to mind, not sure how to prioritize them or
> if I should, perhaps they are prioritized.  Perhaps they are intertwined and
> couldn't be separated fully, either to answer the question, or for the
> purposes of scientific study.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> On 7/14/07, *AD Marshall* <admarshall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
>
> Thien oi,
>
> Your comments on group (or "community"?) development and maintenance
> (BeLow) are indeed intriguing, to say the least, especially your concluding
> comment that, "I [ie, you] must be the one who takes the final decision".
>
> Thanks indeed for yet again dispelling any notion i might have again
> entertained that living here might be becoming monotonous or even
> predictable.
>
> Admittedly i must wonder if i'm witnessing or experiencing some sort of
> communications disconnect or not.  But assuming "not", i would then wonder
> at what sorts of correlations might be found between your comments and the
> incessant lament i've heard from people here who source Vietnamese software
> programmers for overseas work, ie, that Vietnamese programmers are
> remarkably team-work challenged.
>
> With warm wishes,
> AD Marshall
>
> On 7/15/07, *Tran Ba Thien* <tranbathien at gmail.com > wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear anh Hoanh and CACC,
>
>
>
> First I am not very cynical on against the current social system of
> Vietnam.I feel ok with this circumstance and condition. It meets my needs
> and my values of democracy and values of development. No, I never agree the
> system totally. but I encounter not many problems to complain.
>
>
>
> In the role of a leader, what do I need to do for me and for my members?
> It's very interesting question.
>
>
>
> -First I need to achieve the goal of my group as effective as possible.
>
> -Then I need to set up friendship environment in our group. I may name the
> activity as building up group culture. I need to respect my member's idea,
> their values and their hopes. I need to litsen to them and protect their
> reputation their interests.
>
>
>
> -Every member and I need to understand that the success of our group is
> from all not from some specific persons.
>
> -The group must give opportunities of developing to every member in
> equally and fairly.
>
>
>
> I must be the one who takes the final decision
>
>
>
> If I cannot apply one of the above indicators, I must resign.
>
>
>
> best regards,
>
> Tran Ba Thien
> tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Tran Dinh Hoanh<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tdhoanh at gmail.com>
>
> *To:* vnbiz at vietlinks.net<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:45 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your
> leader?
>
>
>
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>  ------------------------------
>
> Dear brother Thien & CACC,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the frank and emotional response, anh Thien.  And thanks for
> your frankness and courage.  Frankness and courage are very rare commodity
> anywhere in the world.
>
>
>
> Of course, I understand exactly what you are talking about. If there is
> any consolation, I have never been able to choose anyone I really like
> either.  When I was in Vietnam, of course, we had no choice.  In the US, I
> often did the task of choosing the least bad guy among the bad guys.  Hard
> to find good leaders.  That is just the nature of life.
>
>
>
> The issues you raise are not simple matters.  As you say, we cannot give
> the 3-yr-old kid the 7-yr-old-kid clothing.  Democracy is a process, in
> which economic and social development as well as the human relationship
> among the citizens play a major role.  Indeed, I think democracy is not a
> destination, but a journey.
>
>
>
> These all are matters close to my heart.  But we will develop this thread
> about democracy, choosing leaders and citizen responsibilities in the
> future, so that we don't confuse our current discussion:  What is your own
> idea of leadership?
>
>
>
> So brother Thien, assuming that you don't really care about other leaders
> because you have no right to really choose the leaders you like and
> everything is imposed from above, I agree with you absolutely and I am
> sympathetic with you.  So let me switch the angle a little and ask you this
> question:  You must be the leader of someone, be that your younger brother
> or sister, your children, your students, or someone you have been
> mentoring.  In such capacity as that person's leader, what do you think you
> need in order to to fulfill your job?
>
>
>
> I don't care about other guys.  I care about you.  What your idea of
> leadership is?  What do you demand of yourself as a leader of someone?
>
>
>
> Have a great day!
>
>
>
> Hoanh
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7/13/07, *Tran Ba Thien* < tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear anh Hoanh,
>
>
>
> for the question of yours, I tell you my truth. That's what I really
> performed in every election in Vietnam.
>
>
>
> I have no choice, nothing at all. My family members and I used to meet
> together then asked who might have time to go voting. Then we selected
> someone. The person would take our voter card to go to the voting place. The
> person would have no choice at all. He/she deleted some candidates
> accidentally then voted.
>
>
>
> It's not my joke story. But It's my real. Sometime, I don't care the
> percentage of who have real choice and who have no choice in election. A few
> months ago, in the voting day for congress election, my friend was very
> busy. No one of his family could go voting. then his "to truong dan pho"
> came and asked his family gave him their voter cards. He did voting for
> them.
>
>
>
> Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the truth.
>
>
>
> In my real life, I really don't have opportunity to choose and to vote my
> leader. The position is set up from above. But if you want to know my
> knowledge about how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many things. All of
> them come from my theory, my dream and nothing from my real. You might be
> surprised. I can understand your reaction. For me, my choice is not to
> select how to perform my democracy but what I can gain from this type of
> democracy. I feel ok. This type of society can give me enough opportunity to
> get paid, to get food and that's all.
>
>
>
> In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very simple. When the boy is 3
> year you just give him 3-year clothes. When he is 10 you need to give him
> 10-year clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a 10-year clothes because
> it cannot meet his needs. Then the type of democracy is the same. I think we
> have talked about definition of democracy many times. In this issues, I
> don't want to talk about democracy but leadership. I have no choice in
> electing. Then I cannot give you a correct answer. I am very serious. I
> understand my answer doesn't meet your question correctly. But according to
> your words, I try to give my best.
>
>
>
> best regards,
>
> Tran Ba Thien
> tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
>
>   ------------------------------
>
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From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Tue Jul 17 04:40:27 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:40:27 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Vietnam plans to allow expatriates to buy and sell houses
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Vietnam plans to allow expatriates to buy and sell houses
ReutersPublished: July 16, 2007
International Herald Tribune


HANOI: Vietnam plans to allow expatriates to buy and sell houses to attract foreign investment to the sector, real estate dealers said Monday.

The Ministry of Construction plan applies to foreigners who will stay in Vietnam for a year. They will be allowed to buy and own one house per person over 50 years.

Many of the expatriates are executives in foreign-invested companies.

"The new rule," said Nguyen Xuan Dao, chief executive at the Hanoi-based developer Vietnam Property, "will not only attract more investment in quality property projects but also boost demand from foreigners and create more opportunities for locals to trade in real estate."

The proposal allows foreign owners to sell without restrictions and use the property as collateral for bank loans in Vietnam but forbids them from renting the home.


Property markets are on the rise across Asia, fueled by cash-rich investors looking for higher returns, the booming economies of China and India and the emergence of Japan from over a decade of economic stagnation.

Since India eased rules on investment in the construction sector, foreign property funds have flocked in, helping to double property prices in major cities since 2005.

Home prices in Singapore have seen their biggest gains in over seven years, led by strong buying of luxury properties by foreigners.

About a quarter of the 81,000 expatriates currently living in Vietnam would be eligible to buy houses, said the director of the Housing Management Administration, Nguyen Manh Ha.

"House ownership will help expatriates cut living cost significantly," Ha was quoted as saying by state media Monday.

Last year, the consulting firm Mercer ranked Hanoi the world's 32nd most expensive city for expatriates, mainly for high rents that could go up to $3,000 per month for a three-bedroom serviced apartment.

Real estate prices, especially condominiums in big cities like Ho Chi Minh City, have gone up about 50 percent in the past year due to limited supply, with most new projects sold before they are built.

From tealetran at gmail.com  Tue Jul 17 05:36:54 2007
From: tealetran at gmail.com (Tea (Tuy-Phuong) LeTran)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:36:54 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
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Absolutely a great list and very sensible anh Shane.  So is anh Craig.  Sis
Lien's addition is equally important.  Thank you so much.  I would like to
mention one more trait that I sincerely believe a sensible leader should
have and that is:

* VIRTUE

I hope this addition of mine is not a repetitive of number *7 on your list
anh Shane.

Be well and be safe everyone.


On 7/15/07, Shane Wall <shane.wall at translingualexpress.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
> Great list Craig.
>
> Here's my list, not in prioritized order because I consider all of them
> equally important, and some comments, thoughts or examples.
>
> *1.  Willing to openly canvass and listen to all opinions, including
> ones the leader may disagree with.*
>      Only by listening to all views and perspectives can the correct
> one be found.
>
> *2.  Be totally committed to the welfare of the "entity" being led as a
> whole, not just elements within it.*
>     If only one section of the entity is cared for, human nature will
> quickly ensure that the entity disintegrates. This also means that
> sometimes a leader must be willing to harm part of the whole in order
> for the whole to become or remain healthy. A true example is the Ship
> Captain whose ship has an uncontrolled fire in the engineroom. He knows
> there are 4 sailors still in the engineroom and 195 others safe. He does
> not know if the 4 are still alive or dead already. He orders the
> engineroom sealed and the firefighting chemical Halon to be dumped into
> the compartment. Halon is lethally toxic when it reacts with fire
> (that's part of how it works). He knows if the 4 are alive, he has just
> killed them. He knows if he does not extinguish the fire, he places all
> 195 others in jeopardy. I know this story is FACT because it happened in
> the Royal Australian Navy when I was still serving.
>
> *3.  Not afraid to make the hard decisions, like the example above, for
> the good of the whole.*
>
> *4.  Able to be self-critical and honest about mistakes or errors.*
>     The member of a sports team who gives their all and is defeated by
> their opponent because the coach put them in the wrong position or gave
> the wrong task is not to blame for losing the game, the coach who put
> there is. The coach must then be able to exonerate the player and take
> the blame.
>
> *5.  Never asks another to do what he/she would not do themselves*,
> a.k.a. lead by example or leading from the front.
>     This does not mean the leader has to actually participate, but it
> does mean that those being led must know that when placed in the same
> position, the leader DID do exactly what he/she is now asking others to
> do, so understands their plight.
>
> *6.  Is cooperative rather than combative or manipulative.*
>
> *7.  Honest, moral, ethical and upstanding with a sense of justice and
> what is "right".*
>      Nothing loses the respect of the led faster than some misdeed by a
> leader. Nonetheless, this does not mean the leader cannot have made
> mistakes, (See 4. above), but just how they handle them. Another true
> story. On learning that their team leader was simply writing his own
> reports based on his own presumptions and perceptions and not analyzing
> and compiling their results and reports as he should have done, the team
> simply stopped collecting the information and writing the reports - not
> a healthy situation for intelligence operators. When I took over the
> team, they were the worst, most demoralized team and the laughing stock
> of the Unit. Morale was deeper than Whale doo-doo!
>
> *8.  Openly and equitably distributes and shares the benefits and
> burdens.*
>     I've seen instances where everything is shared equally (a
> Communist-style model) and others where things are shared according to
> pre-determined criteria or systems (a Capitalist-style model). From my
> (limited) experience, it doesn't seem to matter which method is used,
> rather that it is open and mutually agreed upon (See 6. above).
>
> *9.  Deep understanding of the aspirations, wishes, needs and desires of
> the led.*
>     Without this understanding, no leader can ever hope to satisfy
> these things for their followers.
>
> *10. Willingness to delegate responsibilities, reward success and
> rectify the causes of failure.*
>      By letting people undertake important tasks, rewarding them when
> they succeed and helping rectify the reasons they may have failed, a
> leader builds trust. From mutual trust comes teamwork. From teamwork
> comes success. Any team-building guru will tell you that, or something
> similar.
>
> Finally, I don't remember where this comes from, but I remember a
> definition of "Leadership":
>
> _*"The ability to make others willingly do what they otherwise do not
> want to do."*_
>
> Have a pleasant Sunday all.
>
> Shane
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mr. Shane Wall
> Principal,
>
> Trans Lingual Express
> 120/14 Mai Thi Luu St,
> P. Dakao, Q.1, HCMC,
> Vietnam
>
> Mail: shane.wall at translingualexpress.com
> Web: www.translingualexpress.com
>
> Mbl: +84 (090) 9484 753 (Anh) - Tel: +84 (8) 820 9143 (Viet)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Craig Stevenson wrote:
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > To answer the original question, traits of the (one) leader I have in
> > mind:
> >
> >
> >    1. great concern for his followers
> >    2. willing to make the hard decisions
> >    3. open, communicative, and energetic
> >    4. includes the concerns/needs of others in his/her decision-making
> >       process
> >    5. Inspiring
> >    6. dedicated
> >    7. honest
> >    8. hard-working
> >    9. serves as a role model
> >
> > I listed these as they came to mind, not sure how to prioritize them
> > or if I should, perhaps they are prioritized.  Perhaps they are
> > intertwined and couldn't be separated fully, either to answer the
> > question, or for the purposes of scientific study.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> > On 7/14/07, *AD Marshall* <admarshall at gmail.com
> > <mailto:admarshall at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> >     Thien oi,
> >
> >     Your comments on group (or "community"?) development and
> >     maintenance (BeLow) are indeed intriguing, to say the least,
> >     especially your concluding comment that, "I [ie, you] must be the
> >     one who takes the final decision".
> >
> >     Thanks indeed for yet again dispelling any notion i might have
> >     again entertained that living here might be becoming monotonous or
> >     even predictable.
> >
> >     Admittedly i must wonder if i'm witnessing or experiencing some
> >     sort of communications disconnect or not.  But assuming "not", i
> >     would then wonder at what sorts of correlations might be found
> >     between your comments and the incessant lament i've heard from
> >     people here who source Vietnamese software programmers for
> >     overseas work, ie, that Vietnamese programmers are remarkably
> >     team-work challenged.
> >
> >     With warm wishes,
> >     AD Marshall
> >
> >     On 7/15/07, *Tran Ba Thien* <tranbathien at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:tranbathien at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >         [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> >         Dear anh Hoanh and CACC,
> >
> >         First I am not very cynical on against the current social
> >         system of Vietnam.I feel ok with this circumstance and
> >         condition. It meets my needs and my values of democracy and
> >         values of development. No, I never agree the system totally.
> >         but I encounter not many problems to complain.
> >
> >         In the role of a leader, what do I need to do for me and for
> >         my members? It's very interesting question.
> >
> >         -First I need to achieve the goal of my group as effective as
> >         possible.
> >         -Then I need to set up friendship environment in our group. I
> >         may name the activity as building up group culture. I need to
> >         respect my member's idea, their values and their hopes. I need
> >         to litsen to them and protect their reputation their interests.
> >
> >         -Every member and I need to understand that the success of our
> >         group is from all not from some specific persons.
> >         -The group must give opportunities of developing to every
> >         member in equally and fairly.
> >
> >         I must be the one who takes the final decision
> >
> >         If I cannot apply one of the above indicators, I must resign.
> >
> >         best regards,
> >         Tran Ba Thien
> >         tranbathien at gmail.com
> >         <
> https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>
> >
> >             ----- Original Message -----
> >             *From:* Tran Dinh Hoanh
> >             <
> https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tdhoanh at gmail.com>
> >
> >             *To:* vnbiz at vietlinks.net
> >             <
> https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
> >
> >             *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:45 AM
> >             *Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking
> >             for in your leader?
> >
> >
> >             [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >             Dear brother Thien & CACC,
> >
> >             Thanks for the frank and emotional response, anh Thien.
> >             And thanks for your frankness and courage.  Frankness and
> >             courage are very rare commodity anywhere in the world.
> >
> >             Of course, I understand exactly what you are talking
> >             about. If there is any consolation, I have never been able
> >             to choose anyone I really like either.  When I was in
> >             Vietnam, of course, we had no choice.  In the US, I often
> >             did the task of choosing the least bad guy among the bad
> >             guys.  Hard to find good leaders.  That is just the nature
> >             of life.
> >
> >             The issues you raise are not simple matters.  As you say,
> >             we cannot give the 3-yr-old kid the 7-yr-old-kid
> >             clothing.  Democracy is a process, in which economic and
> >             social development as well as the human relationship among
> >             the citizens play a major role.  Indeed, I think democracy
> >             is not a destination, but a journey.
> >
> >             These all are matters close to my heart.  But we will
> >             develop this thread about democracy, choosing leaders and
> >             citizen responsibilities in the future, so that we don't
> >             confuse our current discussion:  What is your own idea of
> >             leadership?
> >
> >             So brother Thien, assuming that you don't really care
> >             about other leaders because you have no right to really
> >             choose the leaders you like and everything is imposed from
> >             above, I agree with you absolutely and I am sympathetic
> >             with you.  So let me switch the angle a little and ask you
> >             this question:  You must be the leader of someone, be that
> >             your younger brother or sister, your children, your
> >             students, or someone you have been mentoring.  In
> >             such capacity as that person's leader, what do you think
> >             you need in order to to fulfill your job?
> >
> >             I don't care about other guys.  I care about you.  What
> >             your idea of leadership is?  What do you demand of
> >             yourself as a leader of someone?
> >
> >             Have a great day!
> >
> >             Hoanh
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >             On 7/13/07, *Tran Ba Thien* < tranbathien at gmail.com
> >             <
> https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>>
> >             wrote:
> >
> >                 [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> >                 Dear anh Hoanh,
> >
> >                 for the question of yours, I tell you my truth. That's
> >                 what I really performed in every election in Vietnam.
> >
> >                 I have no choice, nothing at all. My family members
> >                 and I used to meet together then asked who might have
> >                 time to go voting. Then we selected someone. The
> >                 person would take our voter card to go to the voting
> >                 place. The person would have no choice at all. He/she
> >                 deleted some candidates accidentally then voted.
> >
> >                 It's not my joke story. But It's my real. Sometime, I
> >                 don't care the percentage of who have real choice and
> >                 who have no choice in election. A few months ago, in
> >                 the voting day for congress election, my friend was
> >                 very busy. No one of his family could go voting. then
> >                 his "to truong dan pho" came and asked his family gave
> >                 him their voter cards. He did voting for them.
> >
> >                 Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the truth.
> >
> >                 In my real life, I really don't have opportunity to
> >                 choose and to vote my leader. The position is set up
> >                 from above. But if you want to know my knowledge about
> >                 how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many things.
> >                 All of them come from my theory, my dream and nothing
> >                 from my real. You might be surprised. I can understand
> >                 your reaction. For me, my choice is not to select how
> >                 to perform my democracy but what I can gain from this
> >                 type of democracy. I feel ok. This type of society can
> >                 give me enough opportunity to get paid, to get food
> >                 and that's all.
> >
> >                 In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very simple.
> >                 When the boy is 3 year you just give him 3-year
> >                 clothes. When he is 10 you need to give him 10-year
> >                 clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a 10-year
> >                 clothes because it cannot meet his needs. Then the
> >                 type of democracy is the same. I think we have talked
> >                 about definition of democracy many times. In this
> >                 issues, I don't want to talk about democracy but
> >                 leadership. I have no choice in electing. Then I
> >                 cannot give you a correct answer. I am very serious. I
> >                 understand my answer doesn't meet your question
> >                 correctly. But according to your words, I try to give
> >                 my best.
> >
> >                 best regards,
> >                 Tran Ba Thien
> >                 tranbathien at gmail.com
> >                 <
> https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>
> >
> >                     --
> >                     Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> >                     Washington DC
> >
> >
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From: cstevenson2000 at gmail.com (Craig Stevenson)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:57:07 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
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Integrity and Virtue, I am starting to like the shorter listings better.

Very good additions,
>From them we should be ore likely to have the others, no?

Craig

On 7/17/07, Tea (Tuy-Phuong) LeTran <tealetran at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> Absolutely a great list and very sensible anh Shane.  So is anh Craig.
> Sis Lien's addition is equally important.  Thank you so much.  I would like
> to mention one more trait that I sincerely believe a sensible leader should
> have and that is:
>
> * VIRTUE
>
> I hope this addition of mine is not a repetitive of number *7 on your list
> anh Shane.
>
> Be well and be safe everyone.
>
>
> On 7/15/07, Shane Wall <shane.wall at translingualexpress.com> wrote:
> >
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> > Great list Craig.
> >
> > Here's my list, not in prioritized order because I consider all of them
> > equally important, and some comments, thoughts or examples.
> >
> > *1.  Willing to openly canvass and listen to all opinions, including
> > ones the leader may disagree with.*
> >      Only by listening to all views and perspectives can the correct
> > one be found.
> >
> > *2.  Be totally committed to the welfare of the "entity" being led as a
> > whole, not just elements within it.*
> >     If only one section of the entity is cared for, human nature will
> > quickly ensure that the entity disintegrates. This also means that
> > sometimes a leader must be willing to harm part of the whole in order
> > for the whole to become or remain healthy. A true example is the Ship
> > Captain whose ship has an uncontrolled fire in the engineroom. He knows
> > there are 4 sailors still in the engineroom and 195 others safe. He does
> > not know if the 4 are still alive or dead already. He orders the
> > engineroom sealed and the firefighting chemical Halon to be dumped into
> > the compartment. Halon is lethally toxic when it reacts with fire
> > (that's part of how it works). He knows if the 4 are alive, he has just
> > killed them. He knows if he does not extinguish the fire, he places all
> > 195 others in jeopardy. I know this story is FACT because it happened in
> > the Royal Australian Navy when I was still serving.
> >
> > *3.  Not afraid to make the hard decisions, like the example above, for
> > the good of the whole.*
> >
> > *4.  Able to be self-critical and honest about mistakes or errors.*
> >     The member of a sports team who gives their all and is defeated by
> > their opponent because the coach put them in the wrong position or gave
> > the wrong task is not to blame for losing the game, the coach who put
> > there is. The coach must then be able to exonerate the player and take
> > the blame.
> >
> > *5.  Never asks another to do what he/she would not do themselves*,
> > a.k.a. lead by example or leading from the front.
> >     This does not mean the leader has to actually participate, but it
> > does mean that those being led must know that when placed in the same
> > position, the leader DID do exactly what he/she is now asking others to
> > do, so understands their plight.
> >
> > *6.  Is cooperative rather than combative or manipulative.*
> >
> > *7.  Honest, moral, ethical and upstanding with a sense of justice and
> > what is "right".*
> >      Nothing loses the respect of the led faster than some misdeed by a
> > leader. Nonetheless, this does not mean the leader cannot have made
> > mistakes, (See 4. above), but just how they handle them. Another true
> > story. On learning that their team leader was simply writing his own
> > reports based on his own presumptions and perceptions and not analyzing
> > and compiling their results and reports as he should have done, the team
> > simply stopped collecting the information and writing the reports - not
> > a healthy situation for intelligence operators. When I took over the
> > team, they were the worst, most demoralized team and the laughing stock
> > of the Unit. Morale was deeper than Whale doo-doo!
> >
> > *8.  Openly and equitably distributes and shares the benefits and
> > burdens.*
> >     I've seen instances where everything is shared equally (a
> > Communist-style model) and others where things are shared according to
> > pre-determined criteria or systems (a Capitalist-style model). From my
> > (limited) experience, it doesn't seem to matter which method is used,
> > rather that it is open and mutually agreed upon (See 6. above).
> >
> > *9.  Deep understanding of the aspirations, wishes, needs and desires of
> > the led.*
> >     Without this understanding, no leader can ever hope to satisfy
> > these things for their followers.
> >
> > *10. Willingness to delegate responsibilities, reward success and
> > rectify the causes of failure.*
> >      By letting people undertake important tasks, rewarding them when
> > they succeed and helping rectify the reasons they may have failed, a
> > leader builds trust. From mutual trust comes teamwork. From teamwork
> > comes success. Any team-building guru will tell you that, or something
> > similar.
> >
> > Finally, I don't remember where this comes from, but I remember a
> > definition of "Leadership":
> >
> > _*"The ability to make others willingly do what they otherwise do not
> > want to do."*_
> >
> > Have a pleasant Sunday all.
> >
> > Shane
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Mr. Shane Wall
> > Principal,
> >
> > Trans Lingual Express
> > 120/14 Mai Thi Luu St,
> > P. Dakao, Q.1, HCMC,
> > Vietnam
> >
> > Mail: shane.wall at translingualexpress.com
> > Web: www.translingualexpress.com
> >
> > Mbl: +84 (090) 9484 753 (Anh) - Tel: +84 (8) 820 9143 (Viet)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Craig Stevenson wrote:
> > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > To answer the original question, traits of the (one) leader I have in
> > > mind:
> > >
> > >
> > >    1. great concern for his followers
> > >    2. willing to make the hard decisions
> > >    3. open, communicative, and energetic
> > >    4. includes the concerns/needs of others in his/her decision-making
> >
> > >       process
> > >    5. Inspiring
> > >    6. dedicated
> > >    7. honest
> > >    8. hard-working
> > >    9. serves as a role model
> > >
> > > I listed these as they came to mind, not sure how to prioritize them
> > > or if I should, perhaps they are prioritized.  Perhaps they are
> > > intertwined and couldn't be separated fully, either to answer the
> > > question, or for the purposes of scientific study.
> > >
> > > Craig
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/14/07, *AD Marshall* <admarshall at gmail.com
> > > <mailto:admarshall at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >     [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >     Thien oi,
> > >
> > >     Your comments on group (or "community"?) development and
> > >     maintenance (BeLow) are indeed intriguing, to say the least,
> > >     especially your concluding comment that, "I [ie, you] must be the
> > >     one who takes the final decision".
> > >
> > >     Thanks indeed for yet again dispelling any notion i might have
> > >     again entertained that living here might be becoming monotonous or
> > >     even predictable.
> > >
> > >     Admittedly i must wonder if i'm witnessing or experiencing some
> > >     sort of communications disconnect or not.  But assuming "not", i
> > >     would then wonder at what sorts of correlations might be found
> > >     between your comments and the incessant lament i've heard from
> > >     people here who source Vietnamese software programmers for
> > >     overseas work, ie, that Vietnamese programmers are remarkably
> > >     team-work challenged.
> > >
> > >     With warm wishes,
> > >     AD Marshall
> > >
> > >     On 7/15/07, *Tran Ba Thien* < tranbathien at gmail.com
> > >     <mailto:tranbathien at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >         [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         Dear anh Hoanh and CACC,
> > >
> > >         First I am not very cynical on against the current social
> > >         system of Vietnam.I feel ok with this circumstance and
> > >         condition. It meets my needs and my values of democracy and
> > >         values of development. No, I never agree the system totally.
> > >         but I encounter not many problems to complain.
> > >
> > >         In the role of a leader, what do I need to do for me and for
> > >         my members? It's very interesting question.
> > >
> > >         -First I need to achieve the goal of my group as effective as
> > >         possible.
> > >         -Then I need to set up friendship environment in our group. I
> > >         may name the activity as building up group culture. I need to
> > >         respect my member's idea, their values and their hopes. I need
> > >         to litsen to them and protect their reputation their
> > interests.
> > >
> > >         -Every member and I need to understand that the success of our
> > >         group is from all not from some specific persons.
> > >         -The group must give opportunities of developing to every
> > >         member in equally and fairly.
> > >
> > >         I must be the one who takes the final decision
> > >
> > >         If I cannot apply one of the above indicators, I must resign.
> > >
> > >         best regards,
> > >         Tran Ba Thien
> > >         tranbathien at gmail.com
> > >         <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > >             ----- Original Message -----
> > >             *From:* Tran Dinh Hoanh
> > >             <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tdhoanh at gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > >             *To:* vnbiz at vietlinks.net
> > >             <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=vnbiz at vietlinks.net
> > >
> > >
> > >             *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:45 AM
> > >             *Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking
> > >             for in your leader?
> > >
> > >
> > >             [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > >
> > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >             Dear brother Thien & CACC,
> > >
> > >             Thanks for the frank and emotional response, anh Thien.
> > >             And thanks for your frankness and courage.  Frankness and
> > >             courage are very rare commodity anywhere in the world.
> > >
> > >             Of course, I understand exactly what you are talking
> > >             about. If there is any consolation, I have never been able
> > >             to choose anyone I really like either.  When I was in
> > >             Vietnam, of course, we had no choice.  In the US, I often
> > >             did the task of choosing the least bad guy among the bad
> > >             guys.  Hard to find good leaders.  That is just the nature
> > >             of life.
> > >
> > >             The issues you raise are not simple matters.  As you say,
> > >             we cannot give the 3-yr-old kid the 7-yr-old-kid
> > >             clothing.  Democracy is a process, in which economic and
> > >             social development as well as the human relationship among
> >
> > >             the citizens play a major role.  Indeed, I think democracy
> > >             is not a destination, but a journey.
> > >
> > >             These all are matters close to my heart.  But we will
> > >             develop this thread about democracy, choosing leaders and
> > >             citizen responsibilities in the future, so that we don't
> > >             confuse our current discussion:  What is your own idea of
> > >             leadership?
> > >
> > >             So brother Thien, assuming that you don't really care
> > >             about other leaders because you have no right to really
> > >             choose the leaders you like and everything is imposed from
> >
> > >             above, I agree with you absolutely and I am sympathetic
> > >             with you.  So let me switch the angle a little and ask you
> > >             this question:  You must be the leader of someone, be that
> >
> > >             your younger brother or sister, your children, your
> > >             students, or someone you have been mentoring.  In
> > >             such capacity as that person's leader, what do you think
> > >             you need in order to to fulfill your job?
> > >
> > >             I don't care about other guys.  I care about you.  What
> > >             your idea of leadership is?  What do you demand of
> > >             yourself as a leader of someone?
> > >
> > >             Have a great day!
> > >
> > >             Hoanh
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >             On 7/13/07, *Tran Ba Thien* < tranbathien at gmail.com
> > >             <
> > https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>>
> > >             wrote:
> > >
> > >                 [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >                 Dear anh Hoanh,
> > >
> > >                 for the question of yours, I tell you my truth. That's
> >
> > >                 what I really performed in every election in Vietnam.
> > >
> > >                 I have no choice, nothing at all. My family members
> > >                 and I used to meet together then asked who might have
> > >                 time to go voting. Then we selected someone. The
> > >                 person would take our voter card to go to the voting
> > >                 place. The person would have no choice at all. He/she
> > >                 deleted some candidates accidentally then voted.
> > >
> > >                 It's not my joke story. But It's my real. Sometime, I
> > >                 don't care the percentage of who have real choice and
> > >                 who have no choice in election. A few months ago, in
> > >                 the voting day for congress election, my friend was
> > >                 very busy. No one of his family could go voting. then
> > >                 his "to truong dan pho" came and asked his family gave
> > >                 him their voter cards. He did voting for them.
> > >
> > >                 Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the
> > truth.
> > >
> > >                 In my real life, I really don't have opportunity to
> > >                 choose and to vote my leader. The position is set up
> > >                 from above. But if you want to know my knowledge about
> >
> > >                 how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many things.
> > >                 All of them come from my theory, my dream and nothing
> > >                 from my real. You might be surprised. I can understand
> >
> > >                 your reaction. For me, my choice is not to select how
> > >                 to perform my democracy but what I can gain from this
> > >                 type of democracy. I feel ok. This type of society can
> >
> > >                 give me enough opportunity to get paid, to get food
> > >                 and that's all.
> > >
> > >                 In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very simple.
> > >                 When the boy is 3 year you just give him 3-year
> > >                 clothes. When he is 10 you need to give him 10-year
> > >                 clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a 10-year
> > >                 clothes because it cannot meet his needs. Then the
> > >                 type of democracy is the same. I think we have talked
> > >                 about definition of democracy many times. In this
> > >                 issues, I don't want to talk about democracy but
> > >                 leadership. I have no choice in electing. Then I
> > >                 cannot give you a correct answer. I am very serious. I
> > >                 understand my answer doesn't meet your question
> > >                 correctly. But according to your words, I try to give
> > >                 my best.
> > >
> > >                 best regards,
> > >                 Tran Ba Thien
> > >                 tranbathien at gmail.com
> > >                 <
> > https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>
> > >
> > >                     --
> > >                     Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> > >                     Washington DC
> > >
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From: admarshall at gmail.com (AD Marshall)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:33:39 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
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All excellent lists to consider.  I'd side with Craig's emerging preference
for the shorter listings.   As Tea's concern about being repetitive
suggested, i suspect that if the lists were analysed to reduce them to their
core or synonymous meanings, as a good editor might do, we'd find a lot of
overlap between each list.

Further, as info' overload plagues us all, i'd suspect most of us find
ourselves daunted when presented, at the outset, with texts longer than a
few paragraphs.  If folks here or elsewhere are really interested and want
more info, they can either look it up online or elsewhere or ask for it
(also a great indicator to authors whether their efforts are productive or
not).

*Perhaps* we could:
01.  Take a couple steps back and
(a) provide more specific criteria for the lists sought, such as length,
format, scope (business, government or general; Vietnam or global?) and
(b) rationalize and summarize what we've collected so far (Relevant Online
Tools: http://dictionary.reference.com/ ; http://thesaurus.reference.com/
;  http://www.saigon.com/~vietdict/ ).
02.  Add some examples.  Just for example, for the list i provided i had
three models of a leader in mind: (i) Kurt Vonnegut Jr, (ii) Fred Burke,
Managing Lawyer, Baker & McKenzie Vietnam and (iii) vague impressions of
what other sorts of people i'd work for without too many questions simply
because s/he had these good qualities ("virtues") which i lack, respect and
sometimes wish i could attain.

Just my two dong's worth.  I personally don't yet have the motivation to do
what i've just suggested.  ;)


On 7/17/07, Craig Stevenson <cstevenson2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> Integrity and Virtue, I am starting to like the shorter listings better.
>
> Very good additions,
> From them we should be ore likely to have the others, no?
>
> Craig
>
> On 7/17/07, Tea (Tuy-Phuong) LeTran <tealetran at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tealetran at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> > Absolutely a great list and very sensible anh Shane.  So is anh Craig.
> > Sis Lien's addition is equally important.  Thank you so much.  I would like
> > to mention one more trait that I sincerely believe a sensible leader should
> > have and that is:
> >
> > * VIRTUE
> >
> > I hope this addition of mine is not a repetitive of number *7 on your
> > list anh Shane.
> >
> > Be well and be safe everyone.
> >
> >
> > On 7/15/07, Shane Wall <shane.wall at translingualexpress.com
> > <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=shane.wall at translingualexpress.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > >
> > >
> > > Great list Craig.
> > >
> > > Here's my list, not in prioritized order because I consider all of
> > > them
> > > equally important, and some comments, thoughts or examples.
> > >
> > > *1.  Willing to openly canvass and listen to all opinions, including
> > > ones the leader may disagree with.*
> > >      Only by listening to all views and perspectives can the correct
> > > one be found.
> > >
> > > *2.  Be totally committed to the welfare of the "entity" being led as
> > > a
> > > whole, not just elements within it.*
> > >     If only one section of the entity is cared for, human nature will
> > > quickly ensure that the entity disintegrates. This also means that
> > > sometimes a leader must be willing to harm part of the whole in order
> > > for the whole to become or remain healthy. A true example is the Ship
> > > Captain whose ship has an uncontrolled fire in the engineroom. He
> > > knows
> > > there are 4 sailors still in the engineroom and 195 others safe. He
> > > does
> > > not know if the 4 are still alive or dead already. He orders the
> > > engineroom sealed and the firefighting chemical Halon to be dumped
> > > into
> > > the compartment. Halon is lethally toxic when it reacts with fire
> > > (that's part of how it works). He knows if the 4 are alive, he has
> > > just
> > > killed them. He knows if he does not extinguish the fire, he places
> > > all
> > > 195 others in jeopardy. I know this story is FACT because it happened
> > > in
> > > the Royal Australian Navy when I was still serving.
> > >
> > > *3.  Not afraid to make the hard decisions, like the example above,
> > > for
> > > the good of the whole.*
> > >
> > > *4.  Able to be self-critical and honest about mistakes or errors.*
> > >     The member of a sports team who gives their all and is defeated by
> > > their opponent because the coach put them in the wrong position or
> > > gave
> > > the wrong task is not to blame for losing the game, the coach who put
> > > there is. The coach must then be able to exonerate the player and take
> > > the blame.
> > >
> > > *5.  Never asks another to do what he/she would not do themselves*,
> > > a.k.a. lead by example or leading from the front.
> > >     This does not mean the leader has to actually participate, but it
> > > does mean that those being led must know that when placed in the same
> > > position, the leader DID do exactly what he/she is now asking others
> > > to
> > > do, so understands their plight.
> > >
> > > *6.  Is cooperative rather than combative or manipulative.*
> > >
> > > *7.  Honest, moral, ethical and upstanding with a sense of justice and
> > > what is "right".*
> > >      Nothing loses the respect of the led faster than some misdeed by
> > > a
> > > leader. Nonetheless, this does not mean the leader cannot have made
> > > mistakes, (See 4. above), but just how they handle them. Another true
> > > story. On learning that their team leader was simply writing his own
> > > reports based on his own presumptions and perceptions and not
> > > analyzing
> > > and compiling their results and reports as he should have done, the
> > > team
> > > simply stopped collecting the information and writing the reports -
> > > not
> > > a healthy situation for intelligence operators. When I took over the
> > > team, they were the worst, most demoralized team and the laughing
> > > stock
> > > of the Unit. Morale was deeper than Whale doo-doo!
> > >
> > > *8.  Openly and equitably distributes and shares the benefits and
> > > burdens.*
> > >     I've seen instances where everything is shared equally (a
> > > Communist-style model) and others where things are shared according to
> > > pre-determined criteria or systems (a Capitalist-style model). From my
> > > (limited) experience, it doesn't seem to matter which method is used,
> > > rather that it is open and mutually agreed upon (See 6. above).
> > >
> > > *9.  Deep understanding of the aspirations, wishes, needs and desires
> > > of
> > > the led.*
> > >     Without this understanding, no leader can ever hope to satisfy
> > > these things for their followers.
> > >
> > > *10. Willingness to delegate responsibilities, reward success and
> > > rectify the causes of failure.*
> > >      By letting people undertake important tasks, rewarding them when
> > > they succeed and helping rectify the reasons they may have failed, a
> > > leader builds trust. From mutual trust comes teamwork. From teamwork
> > > comes success. Any team-building guru will tell you that, or something
> > > similar.
> > >
> > > Finally, I don't remember where this comes from, but I remember a
> > > definition of "Leadership":
> > >
> > > _*"The ability to make others willingly do what they otherwise do not
> > > want to do."*_
> > >
> > > Have a pleasant Sunday all.
> > >
> > > Shane
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mr. Shane Wall
> > > Principal,
> > >
> > > Trans Lingual Express
> > > 120/14 Mai Thi Luu St,
> > > P. Dakao, Q.1, HCMC,
> > > Vietnam
> > >
> > > Mail: shane.wall at translingualexpress.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=shane.wall at translingualexpress.com>
> > > Web: www.translingualexpress.com
> > >
> > > Mbl: +84 (090) 9484 753 (Anh) - Tel: +84 (8) 820 9143 (Viet)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Craig Stevenson wrote:
> > > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > To answer the original question, traits of the (one) leader I have
> > > in
> > > > mind:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >    1. great concern for his followers
> > > >    2. willing to make the hard decisions
> > > >    3. open, communicative, and energetic
> > > >    4. includes the concerns/needs of others in his/her
> > > decision-making
> > > >       process
> > > >    5. Inspiring
> > > >    6. dedicated
> > > >    7. honest
> > > >    8. hard-working
> > > >    9. serves as a role model
> > > >
> > > > I listed these as they came to mind, not sure how to prioritize them
> > >
> > > > or if I should, perhaps they are prioritized.  Perhaps they are
> > > > intertwined and couldn't be separated fully, either to answer the
> > > > question, or for the purposes of scientific study.
> > > >
> > > > Craig
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 7/14/07, *AD Marshall* < admarshall at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=admarshall at gmail.com>
> > > > <mailto:admarshall at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=admarshall at gmail.com>>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >     [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >     Thien oi,
> > > >
> > > >     Your comments on group (or "community"?) development and
> > > >     maintenance (BeLow) are indeed intriguing, to say the least,
> > > >     especially your concluding comment that, "I [ie, you] must be
> > > the
> > > >     one who takes the final decision".
> > > >
> > > >     Thanks indeed for yet again dispelling any notion i might have
> > > >     again entertained that living here might be becoming monotonous
> > > or
> > > >     even predictable.
> > > >
> > > >     Admittedly i must wonder if i'm witnessing or experiencing some
> > > >     sort of communications disconnect or not.  But assuming "not", i
> > >
> > > >     would then wonder at what sorts of correlations might be found
> > > >     between your comments and the incessant lament i've heard from
> > > >     people here who source Vietnamese software programmers for
> > > >     overseas work, ie, that Vietnamese programmers are remarkably
> > > >     team-work challenged.
> > > >
> > > >     With warm wishes,
> > > >     AD Marshall
> > > >
> > > >     On 7/15/07, *Tran Ba Thien* < tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>
> > > >     <mailto:tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >         [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >         Dear anh Hoanh and CACC,
> > > >
> > > >         First I am not very cynical on against the current social
> > > >         system of Vietnam.I feel ok with this circumstance and
> > > >         condition. It meets my needs and my values of democracy and
> > > >         values of development. No, I never agree the system totally.
> > > >         but I encounter not many problems to complain.
> > > >
> > > >         In the role of a leader, what do I need to do for me and for
> > >
> > > >         my members? It's very interesting question.
> > > >
> > > >         -First I need to achieve the goal of my group as effective
> > > as
> > > >         possible.
> > > >         -Then I need to set up friendship environment in our group.
> > > I
> > > >         may name the activity as building up group culture. I need
> > > to
> > > >         respect my member's idea, their values and their hopes. I
> > > need
> > > >         to litsen to them and protect their reputation their
> > > interests.
> > > >
> > > >         -Every member and I need to understand that the success of
> > > our
> > > >         group is from all not from some specific persons.
> > > >         -The group must give opportunities of developing to every
> > > >         member in equally and fairly.
> > > >
> > > >         I must be the one who takes the final decision
> > > >
> > > >         If I cannot apply one of the above indicators, I must
> > > resign.
> > > >
> > > >         best regards,
> > > >         Tran Ba Thien
> > > >         tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>
> > > >         <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >             ----- Original Message -----
> > > >             *From:* Tran Dinh Hoanh
> > > >             <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tdhoanh at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >             *To:* vnbiz at vietlinks.net<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
> > > >             <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=vnbiz at vietlinks.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >             *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:45 AM
> > > >             *Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you
> > > looking
> > > >             for in your leader?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >             [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >             Dear brother Thien & CACC,
> > > >
> > > >             Thanks for the frank and emotional response, anh Thien.
> > > >             And thanks for your frankness and courage.  Frankness
> > > and
> > > >             courage are very rare commodity anywhere in the world.
> > > >
> > > >             Of course, I understand exactly what you are talking
> > > >             about. If there is any consolation, I have never been
> > > able
> > > >             to choose anyone I really like either.  When I was in
> > > >             Vietnam, of course, we had no choice.  In the US, I
> > > often
> > > >             did the task of choosing the least bad guy among the bad
> > > >             guys.  Hard to find good leaders.  That is just the
> > > nature
> > > >             of life.
> > > >
> > > >             The issues you raise are not simple matters.  As you
> > > say,
> > > >             we cannot give the 3-yr-old kid the 7-yr-old-kid
> > > >             clothing.  Democracy is a process, in which economic and
> > > >             social development as well as the human relationship
> > > among
> > > >             the citizens play a major role.  Indeed, I think
> > > democracy
> > > >             is not a destination, but a journey.
> > > >
> > > >             These all are matters close to my heart.  But we will
> > > >             develop this thread about democracy, choosing leaders
> > > and
> > > >             citizen responsibilities in the future, so that we don't
> > > >             confuse our current discussion:  What is your own idea
> > > of
> > > >             leadership?
> > > >
> > > >             So brother Thien, assuming that you don't really care
> > > >             about other leaders because you have no right to really
> > > >             choose the leaders you like and everything is imposed
> > > from
> > > >             above, I agree with you absolutely and I am sympathetic
> > > >             with you.  So let me switch the angle a little and ask
> > > you
> > > >             this question:  You must be the leader of someone, be
> > > that
> > > >             your younger brother or sister, your children, your
> > > >             students, or someone you have been mentoring.  In
> > > >             such capacity as that person's leader, what do you think
> > >
> > > >             you need in order to to fulfill your job?
> > > >
> > > >             I don't care about other guys.  I care about you.  What
> > > >             your idea of leadership is?  What do you demand of
> > > >             yourself as a leader of someone?
> > > >
> > > >             Have a great day!
> > > >
> > > >             Hoanh
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >             On 7/13/07, *Tran Ba Thien* < tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>
> > > >             <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com
> > > >>
> > > >             wrote:
> > > >
> > > >                 [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >                 Dear anh Hoanh,
> > > >
> > > >                 for the question of yours, I tell you my truth.
> > > That's
> > > >                 what I really performed in every election in
> > > Vietnam.
> > > >
> > > >                 I have no choice, nothing at all. My family members
> > > >                 and I used to meet together then asked who might
> > > have
> > > >                 time to go voting. Then we selected someone. The
> > > >                 person would take our voter card to go to the voting
> > > >                 place. The person would have no choice at all.
> > > He/she
> > > >                 deleted some candidates accidentally then voted.
> > > >
> > > >                 It's not my joke story. But It's my real. Sometime,
> > > I
> > > >                 don't care the percentage of who have real choice
> > > and
> > > >                 who have no choice in election. A few months ago, in
> > > >                 the voting day for congress election, my friend was
> > > >                 very busy. No one of his family could go voting.
> > > then
> > > >                 his "to truong dan pho" came and asked his family
> > > gave
> > > >                 him their voter cards. He did voting for them.
> > > >
> > > >                 Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the
> > > truth.
> > > >
> > > >                 In my real life, I really don't have opportunity to
> > > >                 choose and to vote my leader. The position is set up
> > > >                 from above. But if you want to know my knowledge
> > > about
> > > >                 how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many
> > > things.
> > > >                 All of them come from my theory, my dream and
> > > nothing
> > > >                 from my real. You might be surprised. I can
> > > understand
> > > >                 your reaction. For me, my choice is not to select
> > > how
> > > >                 to perform my democracy but what I can gain from
> > > this
> > > >                 type of democracy. I feel ok. This type of society
> > > can
> > > >                 give me enough opportunity to get paid, to get food
> > > >                 and that's all.
> > > >
> > > >                 In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very
> > > simple.
> > > >                 When the boy is 3 year you just give him 3-year
> > > >                 clothes. When he is 10 you need to give him 10-year
> > > >                 clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a 10-year
> > > >                 clothes because it cannot meet his needs. Then the
> > > >                 type of democracy is the same. I think we have
> > > talked
> > > >                 about definition of democracy many times. In this
> > > >                 issues, I don't want to talk about democracy but
> > > >                 leadership. I have no choice in electing. Then I
> > > >                 cannot give you a correct answer. I am very serious.
> > > I
> > > >                 understand my answer doesn't meet your question
> > > >                 correctly. But according to your words, I try to
> > > give
> > > >                 my best.
> > > >
> > > >                 best regards,
> > > >                 Tran Ba Thien
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> > > >                 <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >                     --
> > > >                     Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> > > >                     Washington DC
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Tue Jul 17 19:34:28 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:34:28 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
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Dear CACC,

Thanks for the enthusiastic responses, everyone.  We have got a very good
list going.  Now let's start to analyze the list a little.

Probably everyone would agree by now that if we go through a list of
leadership quality that everyone of us chip in, we eventually we come up
with the qualifications for a superman or superwoman, and probably no human
would ever meet our expectation.  That is OK, because the task of us
humans is to run after the idealistic image of ourselves (In philosophical
term, we all run after the godliness in us, after the true nature (ban lai
dien muc) of our Self).

But as a method of studying and understanding, we must be able to reduce our
expectations into one, two or maximum three core elements.   So, now comes
the real daunting task of condensation, the real challenge.  How do we
condense our expectations into a couple of things, so that we may have the
hope of mastering them?  (It is impossiible to master 30 things, but it may
be possible to master 3 things).

So among everything mentioned by cac anh Andi, Thien, Chuck, Craig and cac
chi Bich Lien, Dieu Anh & Tea, I would ask everyone's help to reduce them
into a couple of core elements and, if possible, with the explanation why
these core elements are essential.

Thanks a million everyone for such a vigorous discussion.

Have a great day!

Hoanh

On 7/17/07, AD Marshall <admarshall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> All excellent lists to consider.  I'd side with Craig's emerging
> preference for the shorter listings.   As Tea's concern about being
> repetitive suggested, i suspect that if the lists were analysed to reduce
> them to their core or synonymous meanings, as a good editor might do, we'd
> find a lot of overlap between each list.
>
> Further, as info' overload plagues us all, i'd suspect most of us find
> ourselves daunted when presented, at the outset, with texts longer than a
> few paragraphs.  If folks here or elsewhere are really interested and want
> more info, they can either look it up online or elsewhere or ask for it
> (also a great indicator to authors whether their efforts are productive or
> not).
>
> *Perhaps* we could:
> 01.  Take a couple steps back and
> (a) provide more specific criteria for the lists sought, such as length,
> format, scope (business, government or general; Vietnam or global?) and
> (b) rationalize and summarize what we've collected so far (Relevant Online
> Tools: http://dictionary.reference.com/ ; http://thesaurus.reference.com/
> ;  http://www.saigon.com/~vietdict/ ).
>
> 02.  Add some examples.  Just for example, for the list i provided i had
> three models of a leader in mind: (i) Kurt Vonnegut Jr, (ii) Fred Burke,
> Managing Lawyer, Baker & McKenzie Vietnam and (iii) vague impressions of
> what other sorts of people i'd work for without too many questions simply
> because s/he had these good qualities ("virtues") which i lack, respect and
> sometimes wish i could attain.
>
>
> Just my two dong's worth.  I personally don't yet have the motivation to
> do what i've just suggested.  ;)
>
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
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From romibleue at gmail.com  Tue Jul 17 19:47:01 2007
From: romibleue at gmail.com (Romi)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:47:01 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Let me invite you to Quy Nhon...
Message-ID: <732b2fa30707171947r2b2f6351r2b24085a880afc20@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

I hope this mail finds you well. My life has been a lot more hectic than
ever before. I am enjoying it deeply! Just lacking in time to write you more
properly. Perhaps after my trip to Thailand and Sri Lanka this coming
August.
In the meantime, here are some new pictures to share with you:
http://picasaweb.google.com/romibleue/QuyNhonJuly2007 (Click Slide Show for
better view). It was a field trip to Quy Nhon, as part of a project
examining the gender imbalance situation in several provinces of Viet Nam.
(You might be aware of a growing problem of Viet Nam's population, in
which men currently outnumber women).

Despite my crazy schedule in Quy Nhon, I did have great fun walking along
the beach and shooting photos (using my colleague's camera) every early
morning. Hope you enjoy the pictures!

Though you don't hear much from me, pls remember that I think of you from
time to time...

All the best,

Romi :)
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From nhonpt at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 01:42:29 2007
From: nhonpt at gmail.com (Pham Thanh Nhon)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:42:29 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Let me invite you to Quy Nhon...
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Great sharing! Romi

On 7/18/07, Romi <romibleue at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> I hope this mail finds you well. My life has been a lot more hectic than
> ever before. I am enjoying it deeply! Just lacking in time to write you more
> properly. Perhaps after my trip to Thailand and Sri Lanka this coming
> August.
> In the meantime, here are some new pictures to share with you: http://picasaweb.google.com/romibleue/QuyNhonJuly2007
>  (Click Slide Show for better view). It was a field trip to Quy Nhon, as
> part of a project examining the gender imbalance situation in several
> provinces of Viet Nam. (You might be aware of a growing problem of Viet
> Nam's population, in which men currently outnumber women).
>
> Despite my crazy schedule in Quy Nhon, I did have great fun walking along
> the beach and shooting photos (using my colleague's camera) every early
> morning. Hope you enjoy the pictures!
>
> Though you don't hear much from me, pls remember that I think of you from
> time to time...
>
> All the best,
>
> Romi :)
>
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From pthang at comcast.net  Wed Jul 18 01:52:44 2007
From: pthang at comcast.net (pthang at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:52:44 +0000
Subject: [Vnbiz] Let me invite you to Quy Nhon...
Message-ID: <071820070852.10011.469DD4DC000C90220000271B221353965309020E089B9F@comcast.net>

Thanks Romi,
I have never been to Qui Nhon. Thanks to your picture, I saw it is very beautiful. I will put Qui Nhon on my agenda for my future vacation spot.

Thang Pham
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From nhuung at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 06:35:06 2007
From: nhuung at gmail.com (Nhung)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:35:06 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Let me invite you to Quy Nhon...
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Hi Romi,

Great photos. As you are involved with many interesting social activities,
would be great if you want to share all of those in articles for Time Out. I
would be happy to introduce you to our editing board. Pls let me know what
you think. I can tell you more about Time Out style and format if you are
interested in writing for us.

Love,

-nhung

 

Nguyen Hong Nhung

Reporter

 

Vietnam Investment Review

Timeout

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From: vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com [mailto:vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com]
On Behalf Of Romi
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:47 AM
To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net
Cc: Van Anh Nguyen; Sumie Arima; Binh Nguyen; richard_pooley at yahoo.com;
Ariel Amir; Sara Schapiro; royby at royby.com; leseignoux soazig; Huiqi Davina
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Roux; elsa salame; nghia_sua_hn at yahoo.com
Subject: [Vnbiz] Let me invite you to Quy Nhon...

 

Dear all,

 

I hope this mail finds you well. My life has been a lot more hectic than
ever before. I am enjoying it deeply! Just lacking in time to write you more
properly. Perhaps after my trip to Thailand and Sri Lanka this coming
August. 


In the meantime, here are some new pictures to share with you:
http://picasaweb.google.com/romibleue/QuyNhonJuly2007  (Click Slide Show for
better view). It was a field trip to Quy Nhon, as part of a project
examining the gender imbalance situation in several provinces of Viet Nam.
(You might be aware of a growing problem of Viet Nam's population, in which
men currently outnumber women). 

 

Despite my crazy schedule in Quy Nhon, I did have great fun walking along
the beach and shooting photos (using my colleague's camera) every early
morning. Hope you enjoy the pictures!  

 

Though you don't hear much from me, pls remember that I think of you from
time to time...

 

All the best,

 

Romi :)

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From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Wed Jul 18 06:50:00 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:50:00 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Honda to Build Second Motorcycle Plant in Vietnam
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Company Press Releases 

Honda to Build Second Motorcycle Plant in Vietnam
Wednesday July 18 12:37 PM
 
Vinh Phuc Province, Vietnam, July 18, 2007 - (JCN Newswire) - Honda Vietnam Co., Ltd. (HVN, President: Koji Onishi), a Honda subsidiary in Vietnam, announced it has begun construction of its second motorcycle plant in order to continue responding to the diversifying needs of customers and increasing overall demand for motorcycles in Vietnam. 
The second plant will be located adjacent to the existing motorcycle plant in Vinh Phuc Province, the suburbs of Hanoi. With total investment of approximately US$65 million, the new plant is scheduled to begin mass production in the latter half of 2008, with initial annual production capacity of 500,000 units and employment of approximately 1,400 associates. Combined with the existing plant's one million units in annual production capacity, Honda's annual motorcycle production capacity in Vietnam will be expanded to 1.5 million units.

Supported by the country's strong economy, the motorcycle market in Vietnam last year reached more than 2.3 million units (+31% vs. 2005) and is expected to continue growing steadily in the future. Ever since it began motorcycle production in 1997, HVN has been trying to increase customers' joy in Vietnam through its commitment to provide convenient and attractive products. In 2006, HVN achieved all-time record sales of 851,000 units (up 27% vs. 2005). HVN's cumulative motorcycle production reached 3 million units in September 2006. In April 2007, HVN also started production and sales of the Future Neo FI, with environmentally responsible PGM-FI (Programmed fuel injection) for the first time in Vietnam.

With increased production capacity, Honda will continue to make an effort to be a company that society wants to exist in Vietnam by enhancing traffic safety promotion activity in addition to continued aggressive introduction of products with advanced environmental and safety technology.

Motorcycle Plants


I. Existing Plant -
Location:              Vinh Phuc Province
Employment:            Approx. 3,600 associates (as of June, 2007)
Production Capacity:   1 million units annually
Lot Site:              200,000 m2
Production Models:     Wave, Future Neo, etc.

II. New Second Plant - 
Location:              Vinh Phuc Province
Employment:            Approximately 1,400 associates
Production Capacity:   500,000 units annually
Lot Site:              280,000 m2
Production Models:     Mainly scooter-types

About Honda Vietnam Co., Ltd. (HVN)

Establishment:         March 1996 
Capital:               US$62.9 million  
Capitalization ratio:  42% Honda Motor Co., Ltd.
                       28% Asian Honda Motor Co., Ltd.
                       30% VEAM Corporation (Vietnam Engine & 
                        Agricultural Machinery Corporation) 
Representative:        President: Koji Onishi
Business Areas:        Production and sales of motorcycles & automobiles

About Honda Motor Co., Ltd.


Honda Motor Co., Ltd. (TSE:7267/NYSE:HMC/LSE:HNDA.L) is one of the leading manufacturers of automobiles and power products and the largest manufacture of motorcycles in the world. Honda has always sought to provide genuine satisfaction to people worldwide. The result is more than 120 manufacturing facilities in 30 countries worldwide, producing a wide range of products, including motorcycles, ATVs, generators, marine engines, lawn and garden equipment and automobiles that bring the company into contact with over 19 million customers annually. For more information, please visit http://world.honda.com.

Source: Honda Motor Co., Ltd.

Contact:

Honda Motor Co., Ltd.
Corporate Communications Division
corporate_pr at hm.honda.co.jp
Telephone: +81-(0)3-5412-1512
Facsimile: +81-(0)3-5412-1545
 

From Tai.Phan at ed.gov  Wed Jul 18 06:54:37 2007
From: Tai.Phan at ed.gov (Phan, Tai)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:54:37 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Helmer opens SOS Children's Village in Vietnam
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Helmer opens SOS Children's Village in Vietnam
(FIFA.com)
 Monday 16 July 2007
 

Former German international Thomas Helmer and his wife, the actress Yasmina Filali, have officially opened the SOS Children's Village of Dong Hoi in Vietnam. The village and its SOS Kindergarten are part of the '6 Villages for 2006' campaign that was run jointly by FIFA and SOS Children's Villages. Thomas and Yasmina were the high-profile patrons of the SOS Children's Village of Dong Hoi.

"We visited the building site at Dong Hoi two and a half years ago. Seeing what a great facility it's now become touched us very deeply. Laughing children and mothers, a proud village leader - a really fantastic project. It's not just about the fun we had with the kids, but also the joy of knowing that the kids have a wonderful home there and a tremendous opportunity for their future," says Helmer.

At the heart of the new SOS Children's Village is a large field where the kids can play ball games. Thomas and Yasmina had brought along 50 balls, and the kids all lined up to take a shot at the same time - with Thomas Helmer in goal. He did not stand much of a chance. Thomas also played a full part in the subsequent match, cheered on by many fans who knew him well from his time as a German international and Bundesliga star. Yasmina did not get involved for a very appropriate reason: she is five months pregnant.

Lots of friends and visitors from the surrounding communities had come to the SOS Children's Village of Dong Hoi to join in the festivities. This reflects a strong tradition, as those responsible for the SOS Children's Villages always make sure that these facilities maintain close contact with people in the area, and that the children in the village play football and participate in other activities with other children. Many of the guests in Dong Hoi could still recall Thomas Helmer from his playing days. In other areas of Vietnam too, they are so keen on football that they are familiar with both current and former stars from all over the world.

This SOS Children's Village has room for 120 children, although at the moment it is not full to capacity. In collaboration with the authorities, children with the most urgent need for long-term care in the SOS Children's Village are being selected. Most of the children are orphans. A large number of parents across the country are still dying prematurely from the long-term effects of chemical weapons used during the war in Vietnam.

The SOS Children's Village is supplemented by an SOS Kindergarten for 180 boys and girls. This kindergarten is also open to children from the area around the village.

Dong Hoi is the second of the '6 Villages for 2006' to be officially opened. The first one is in Morelia (Mexico), which is supported by German actor and Schalke fan Peter Lohmeyer as well as Mexico's national coach Hugo Sanchez. The '6 Villages for 2006' illustrate how a global community of football fans are coming together under the FIFA umbrella to recognise and fulfil their social responsibilities.

From tealetran at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 08:04:20 2007
From: tealetran at gmail.com (Tea (Tuy-Phuong) LeTran)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:04:20 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
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Yes, anh Craig.  From these core traits we surely should be able to have all
others.  Per anh Hoanh's request, if I have to condense, here are my 3 core
elements must have in a capable sensible leader:

*WISDOM
>From Wisdom, we would gain knowledge to know the different.

*VIRTUE
>From Virtue, we would be capable to identify what right from wrong.  We
would be more honest, more ethical, more moral, more humane, more
considerate, more compassionate toward our fellows human being.

*INTEGRITY
>From Integrity, we will command respect and inspiration from others.  Out
of respect and inspiration we'll receive unfading cooperation in all
aspects.

Great day everyone!  Please be well and be safe!

TP


On 7/17/07, Craig Stevenson <cstevenson2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> Integrity and Virtue, I am starting to like the shorter listings better.
>
> Very good additions,
> From them we should be ore likely to have the others, no?
>
> Craig
>
> On 7/17/07, Tea (Tuy-Phuong) LeTran <tealetran at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> > Absolutely a great list and very sensible anh Shane.  So is anh Craig.
> > Sis Lien's addition is equally important.  Thank you so much.  I would like
> > to mention one more trait that I sincerely believe a sensible leader should
> > have and that is:
> >
> > * VIRTUE
> >
> > I hope this addition of mine is not a repetitive of number *7 on your
> > list anh Shane.
> >
> > Be well and be safe everyone.
> >
> >
> > On 7/15/07, Shane Wall <shane.wall at translingualexpress.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > >
> > >
> > > Great list Craig.
> > >
> > > Here's my list, not in prioritized order because I consider all of
> > > them
> > > equally important, and some comments, thoughts or examples.
> > >
> > > *1.  Willing to openly canvass and listen to all opinions, including
> > > ones the leader may disagree with.*
> > >      Only by listening to all views and perspectives can the correct
> > > one be found.
> > >
> > > *2.  Be totally committed to the welfare of the "entity" being led as
> > > a
> > > whole, not just elements within it.*
> > >     If only one section of the entity is cared for, human nature will
> > > quickly ensure that the entity disintegrates. This also means that
> > > sometimes a leader must be willing to harm part of the whole in order
> > > for the whole to become or remain healthy. A true example is the Ship
> > > Captain whose ship has an uncontrolled fire in the engineroom. He
> > > knows
> > > there are 4 sailors still in the engineroom and 195 others safe. He
> > > does
> > > not know if the 4 are still alive or dead already. He orders the
> > > engineroom sealed and the firefighting chemical Halon to be dumped
> > > into
> > > the compartment. Halon is lethally toxic when it reacts with fire
> > > (that's part of how it works). He knows if the 4 are alive, he has
> > > just
> > > killed them. He knows if he does not extinguish the fire, he places
> > > all
> > > 195 others in jeopardy. I know this story is FACT because it happened
> > > in
> > > the Royal Australian Navy when I was still serving.
> > >
> > > *3.  Not afraid to make the hard decisions, like the example above,
> > > for
> > > the good of the whole.*
> > >
> > > *4.  Able to be self-critical and honest about mistakes or errors.*
> > >     The member of a sports team who gives their all and is defeated by
> > > their opponent because the coach put them in the wrong position or
> > > gave
> > > the wrong task is not to blame for losing the game, the coach who put
> > > there is. The coach must then be able to exonerate the player and take
> > > the blame.
> > >
> > > *5.  Never asks another to do what he/she would not do themselves*,
> > > a.k.a. lead by example or leading from the front.
> > >     This does not mean the leader has to actually participate, but it
> > > does mean that those being led must know that when placed in the same
> > > position, the leader DID do exactly what he/she is now asking others
> > > to
> > > do, so understands their plight.
> > >
> > > *6.  Is cooperative rather than combative or manipulative.*
> > >
> > > *7.  Honest, moral, ethical and upstanding with a sense of justice and
> > > what is "right".*
> > >      Nothing loses the respect of the led faster than some misdeed by
> > > a
> > > leader. Nonetheless, this does not mean the leader cannot have made
> > > mistakes, (See 4. above), but just how they handle them. Another true
> > > story. On learning that their team leader was simply writing his own
> > > reports based on his own presumptions and perceptions and not
> > > analyzing
> > > and compiling their results and reports as he should have done, the
> > > team
> > > simply stopped collecting the information and writing the reports -
> > > not
> > > a healthy situation for intelligence operators. When I took over the
> > > team, they were the worst, most demoralized team and the laughing
> > > stock
> > > of the Unit. Morale was deeper than Whale doo-doo!
> > >
> > > *8.  Openly and equitably distributes and shares the benefits and
> > > burdens.*
> > >     I've seen instances where everything is shared equally (a
> > > Communist-style model) and others where things are shared according to
> > > pre-determined criteria or systems (a Capitalist-style model). From my
> > > (limited) experience, it doesn't seem to matter which method is used,
> > > rather that it is open and mutually agreed upon (See 6. above).
> > >
> > > *9.  Deep understanding of the aspirations, wishes, needs and desires
> > > of
> > > the led.*
> > >     Without this understanding, no leader can ever hope to satisfy
> > > these things for their followers.
> > >
> > > *10. Willingness to delegate responsibilities, reward success and
> > > rectify the causes of failure.*
> > >      By letting people undertake important tasks, rewarding them when
> > > they succeed and helping rectify the reasons they may have failed, a
> > > leader builds trust. From mutual trust comes teamwork. From teamwork
> > > comes success. Any team-building guru will tell you that, or something
> > > similar.
> > >
> > > Finally, I don't remember where this comes from, but I remember a
> > > definition of "Leadership":
> > >
> > > _*"The ability to make others willingly do what they otherwise do not
> > > want to do."*_
> > >
> > > Have a pleasant Sunday all.
> > >
> > > Shane
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mr. Shane Wall
> > > Principal,
> > >
> > > Trans Lingual Express
> > > 120/14 Mai Thi Luu St,
> > > P. Dakao, Q.1, HCMC,
> > > Vietnam
> > >
> > > Mail: shane.wall at translingualexpress.com
> > > Web: www.translingualexpress.com
> > >
> > > Mbl: +84 (090) 9484 753 (Anh) - Tel: +84 (8) 820 9143 (Viet)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Craig Stevenson wrote:
> > > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > To answer the original question, traits of the (one) leader I have
> > > in
> > > > mind:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >    1. great concern for his followers
> > > >    2. willing to make the hard decisions
> > > >    3. open, communicative, and energetic
> > > >    4. includes the concerns/needs of others in his/her
> > > decision-making
> > > >       process
> > > >    5. Inspiring
> > > >    6. dedicated
> > > >    7. honest
> > > >    8. hard-working
> > > >    9. serves as a role model
> > > >
> > > > I listed these as they came to mind, not sure how to prioritize them
> > >
> > > > or if I should, perhaps they are prioritized.  Perhaps they are
> > > > intertwined and couldn't be separated fully, either to answer the
> > > > question, or for the purposes of scientific study.
> > > >
> > > > Craig
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 7/14/07, *AD Marshall* < admarshall at gmail.com
> > > > <mailto:admarshall at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >     [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >     Thien oi,
> > > >
> > > >     Your comments on group (or "community"?) development and
> > > >     maintenance (BeLow) are indeed intriguing, to say the least,
> > > >     especially your concluding comment that, "I [ie, you] must be
> > > the
> > > >     one who takes the final decision".
> > > >
> > > >     Thanks indeed for yet again dispelling any notion i might have
> > > >     again entertained that living here might be becoming monotonous
> > > or
> > > >     even predictable.
> > > >
> > > >     Admittedly i must wonder if i'm witnessing or experiencing some
> > > >     sort of communications disconnect or not.  But assuming "not", i
> > >
> > > >     would then wonder at what sorts of correlations might be found
> > > >     between your comments and the incessant lament i've heard from
> > > >     people here who source Vietnamese software programmers for
> > > >     overseas work, ie, that Vietnamese programmers are remarkably
> > > >     team-work challenged.
> > > >
> > > >     With warm wishes,
> > > >     AD Marshall
> > > >
> > > >     On 7/15/07, *Tran Ba Thien* < tranbathien at gmail.com
> > > >     <mailto:tranbathien at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >         [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >         Dear anh Hoanh and CACC,
> > > >
> > > >         First I am not very cynical on against the current social
> > > >         system of Vietnam.I feel ok with this circumstance and
> > > >         condition. It meets my needs and my values of democracy and
> > > >         values of development. No, I never agree the system totally.
> > > >         but I encounter not many problems to complain.
> > > >
> > > >         In the role of a leader, what do I need to do for me and for
> > >
> > > >         my members? It's very interesting question.
> > > >
> > > >         -First I need to achieve the goal of my group as effective
> > > as
> > > >         possible.
> > > >         -Then I need to set up friendship environment in our group.
> > > I
> > > >         may name the activity as building up group culture. I need
> > > to
> > > >         respect my member's idea, their values and their hopes. I
> > > need
> > > >         to litsen to them and protect their reputation their
> > > interests.
> > > >
> > > >         -Every member and I need to understand that the success of
> > > our
> > > >         group is from all not from some specific persons.
> > > >         -The group must give opportunities of developing to every
> > > >         member in equally and fairly.
> > > >
> > > >         I must be the one who takes the final decision
> > > >
> > > >         If I cannot apply one of the above indicators, I must
> > > resign.
> > > >
> > > >         best regards,
> > > >         Tran Ba Thien
> > > >         tranbathien at gmail.com
> > > >         <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >             ----- Original Message -----
> > > >             *From:* Tran Dinh Hoanh
> > > >             <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tdhoanh at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >             *To:* vnbiz at vietlinks.net
> > > >             <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=vnbiz at vietlinks.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >             *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:45 AM
> > > >             *Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you
> > > looking
> > > >             for in your leader?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >             [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >             Dear brother Thien & CACC,
> > > >
> > > >             Thanks for the frank and emotional response, anh Thien.
> > > >             And thanks for your frankness and courage.  Frankness
> > > and
> > > >             courage are very rare commodity anywhere in the world.
> > > >
> > > >             Of course, I understand exactly what you are talking
> > > >             about. If there is any consolation, I have never been
> > > able
> > > >             to choose anyone I really like either.  When I was in
> > > >             Vietnam, of course, we had no choice.  In the US, I
> > > often
> > > >             did the task of choosing the least bad guy among the bad
> > > >             guys.  Hard to find good leaders.  That is just the
> > > nature
> > > >             of life.
> > > >
> > > >             The issues you raise are not simple matters.  As you
> > > say,
> > > >             we cannot give the 3-yr-old kid the 7-yr-old-kid
> > > >             clothing.  Democracy is a process, in which economic and
> > > >             social development as well as the human relationship
> > > among
> > > >             the citizens play a major role.  Indeed, I think
> > > democracy
> > > >             is not a destination, but a journey.
> > > >
> > > >             These all are matters close to my heart.  But we will
> > > >             develop this thread about democracy, choosing leaders
> > > and
> > > >             citizen responsibilities in the future, so that we don't
> > > >             confuse our current discussion:  What is your own idea
> > > of
> > > >             leadership?
> > > >
> > > >             So brother Thien, assuming that you don't really care
> > > >             about other leaders because you have no right to really
> > > >             choose the leaders you like and everything is imposed
> > > from
> > > >             above, I agree with you absolutely and I am sympathetic
> > > >             with you.  So let me switch the angle a little and ask
> > > you
> > > >             this question:  You must be the leader of someone, be
> > > that
> > > >             your younger brother or sister, your children, your
> > > >             students, or someone you have been mentoring.  In
> > > >             such capacity as that person's leader, what do you think
> > >
> > > >             you need in order to to fulfill your job?
> > > >
> > > >             I don't care about other guys.  I care about you.  What
> > > >             your idea of leadership is?  What do you demand of
> > > >             yourself as a leader of someone?
> > > >
> > > >             Have a great day!
> > > >
> > > >             Hoanh
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >             On 7/13/07, *Tran Ba Thien* < tranbathien at gmail.com
> > > >             <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com
> > > >>
> > > >             wrote:
> > > >
> > > >                 [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >                 Dear anh Hoanh,
> > > >
> > > >                 for the question of yours, I tell you my truth.
> > > That's
> > > >                 what I really performed in every election in
> > > Vietnam.
> > > >
> > > >                 I have no choice, nothing at all. My family members
> > > >                 and I used to meet together then asked who might
> > > have
> > > >                 time to go voting. Then we selected someone. The
> > > >                 person would take our voter card to go to the voting
> > > >                 place. The person would have no choice at all.
> > > He/she
> > > >                 deleted some candidates accidentally then voted.
> > > >
> > > >                 It's not my joke story. But It's my real. Sometime,
> > > I
> > > >                 don't care the percentage of who have real choice
> > > and
> > > >                 who have no choice in election. A few months ago, in
> > > >                 the voting day for congress election, my friend was
> > > >                 very busy. No one of his family could go voting.
> > > then
> > > >                 his "to truong dan pho" came and asked his family
> > > gave
> > > >                 him their voter cards. He did voting for them.
> > > >
> > > >                 Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the
> > > truth.
> > > >
> > > >                 In my real life, I really don't have opportunity to
> > > >                 choose and to vote my leader. The position is set up
> > > >                 from above. But if you want to know my knowledge
> > > about
> > > >                 how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many
> > > things.
> > > >                 All of them come from my theory, my dream and
> > > nothing
> > > >                 from my real. You might be surprised. I can
> > > understand
> > > >                 your reaction. For me, my choice is not to select
> > > how
> > > >                 to perform my democracy but what I can gain from
> > > this
> > > >                 type of democracy. I feel ok. This type of society
> > > can
> > > >                 give me enough opportunity to get paid, to get food
> > > >                 and that's all.
> > > >
> > > >                 In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very
> > > simple.
> > > >                 When the boy is 3 year you just give him 3-year
> > > >                 clothes. When he is 10 you need to give him 10-year
> > > >                 clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a 10-year
> > > >                 clothes because it cannot meet his needs. Then the
> > > >                 type of democracy is the same. I think we have
> > > talked
> > > >                 about definition of democracy many times. In this
> > > >                 issues, I don't want to talk about democracy but
> > > >                 leadership. I have no choice in electing. Then I
> > > >                 cannot give you a correct answer. I am very serious.
> > > I
> > > >                 understand my answer doesn't meet your question
> > > >                 correctly. But according to your words, I try to
> > > give
> > > >                 my best.
> > > >
> > > >                 best regards,
> > > >                 Tran Ba Thien
> > > >                 tranbathien at gmail.com
> > > >                 <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >                     --
> > > >                     Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> > > >                     Washington DC
> > > >
> > > >
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> >
> > Form is not different from Void, Void is not different from Form
> > Form is Void, Void is Form
> >         (The Great-Wisdom-Beyond-Wisdom Heart Sutra)
> >
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From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:15:27 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] [VNPH Family] Hanoi must make choices
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Dear brother Duyen & CACC,

Thank you for sending the article on China's environment efforts.  I wonder
if we have somewhere an article or a short summary of Vietnam's environment
efforts to date.

Have a great day!

Hoanh


On 7/15/07, Duyen Nguyen <duyennv at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> Dear A Hoanh and CACC,
>
> Thanks brother Hoanh for your pro-environment development analysis. I just
> come accross an article in recent *Far Eastern Economic Review*, regarding
> how China dealing with this. I hope that you can see similarity between
> China and Vietnam.
>
> Give me 2 cents for typing on very hot weekend in Hanoi as I could not
> access FEER online.
>
> Have a great week ahead.
> Cheers
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
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From admarshall at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 09:44:29 2007
From: admarshall at gmail.com (AD Marshall)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:44:29 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
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Good reduction, Chi Tea.  In fact, i'd bet that if someone had real wisdom,
they'd have virtue, integrity, and several other good, basic qualities, too.


But there seems to be a trade-off between brevity and clarity or
verifiability arising here.  Someone could say, "Just show me a real wise
guy, or gal, and s/he'll be my leader."  Someone else might justifiable ask,
"Wise?"  You might answer, "To know the difference between good and bad
knowledge or actions and to always choose and do good." and you'd have
provided an apparently good response.  But would it be sufficient?

Wouldn't we need some further criteria we could use to identify or verify
the wisdom, virtue and integrity of such a person?  And what if a
pre-pubescent child, like the Dalai Lama candidates, is shown to have
intuitive wisdom, virtue and integrity?  Should we follow him or her?  Or
does wisdom need to be balanced by, say, for example, experience?

And should we also ask good for who and what?  Is what is "good" for a wise
Buddhist monk the same as what a wise business-person or a wise politician
will consider "good"?   For example, how would we expect each of them to
judge the principle of buying low and selling high among poor people buying
goods and selling their labour?  Or, if they live in an over-populated
emergent economy in a world faced with imminent human-induced environmental
collapse, what policies would we expect them to make or enforce about family
planning or advertising products and services related to raising families?
Just questions...


(Btw, another potential leadership model i've run into, for any Buddhist
business-folks here, might be Thich Minh Thanh of the South Central
Monastery in Binh Thanh, HCMC.  I recently introduced him to gmail and
blogger.com and he's gone hog-wild with online publishing.  He was already
proficient in computer usage, English and Chinese.  Widely read and
travelled.  Interpreted English to Vietnamese for the Dalai Lama in New York
a few years back.  See, for example,
http://www.blogger.com/profile/11063141492749437626 for a list of all his
new blogs.  The Giac Ngo English Club (GNEC) blog is in (what else?)
English, at http://giacngoenglishclub.blogspot.com/.  The rest are mainly in
Vietnamese.  Due disclosure: i'm his [part-time, temporary] "assistant" for
the GNEC. ;))


On 7/18/07, Tea (Tuy-Phuong) LeTran <tealetran at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
> Yes, anh Craig.  From these core traits we surely should be able to
> have all others.  Per anh Hoanh's request, if I have to condense, here are
> my 3 core elements must have in a capable sensible leader:
>
> *WISDOM
> From Wisdom, we would gain knowledge to know the different.
>
> *VIRTUE
> From Virtue, we would be capable to identify what right from wrong.  We
> would be more honest, more ethical, more moral, more humane, more
> considerate, more compassionate toward our fellows human being.
>
> *INTEGRITY
> From Integrity, we will command respect and inspiration from others.  Out
> of respect and inspiration we'll receive unfading cooperation in all
> aspects.
>
> Great day everyone!  Please be well and be safe!
>
> TP
>
>
> On 7/17/07, Craig Stevenson <cstevenson2000 at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=cstevenson2000 at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> > Integrity and Virtue, I am starting to like the shorter listings better.
> >
> > Very good additions,
> > From them we should be ore likely to have the others, no?
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > On 7/17/07, Tea (Tuy-Phuong) LeTran <tealetran at gmail.com
> > <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tealetran at gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Absolutely a great list and very sensible anh Shane.  So is anh
> > > Craig.  Sis Lien's addition is equally important.  Thank you so much.  I
> > > would like to mention one more trait that I sincerely believe a sensible
> > > leader should have and that is:
> > >
> > > * VIRTUE
> > >
> > > I hope this addition of mine is not a repetitive of number *7 on your
> > > list anh Shane.
> > >
> > > Be well and be safe everyone.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/15/07, Shane Wall <shane.wall at translingualexpress.com
> > > <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=shane.wall at translingualexpress.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Great list Craig.
> > > >
> > > > Here's my list, not in prioritized order because I consider all of
> > > > them
> > > > equally important, and some comments, thoughts or examples.
> > > >
> > > > *1.  Willing to openly canvass and listen to all opinions, including
> > > > ones the leader may disagree with.*
> > > >      Only by listening to all views and perspectives can the correct
> > > >
> > > > one be found.
> > > >
> > > > *2.  Be totally committed to the welfare of the "entity" being led
> > > > as a
> > > > whole, not just elements within it.*
> > > >     If only one section of the entity is cared for, human nature
> > > > will
> > > > quickly ensure that the entity disintegrates. This also means that
> > > > sometimes a leader must be willing to harm part of the whole in
> > > > order
> > > > for the whole to become or remain healthy. A true example is the
> > > > Ship
> > > > Captain whose ship has an uncontrolled fire in the engineroom. He
> > > > knows
> > > > there are 4 sailors still in the engineroom and 195 others safe. He
> > > > does
> > > > not know if the 4 are still alive or dead already. He orders the
> > > > engineroom sealed and the firefighting chemical Halon to be dumped
> > > > into
> > > > the compartment. Halon is lethally toxic when it reacts with fire
> > > > (that's part of how it works). He knows if the 4 are alive, he has
> > > > just
> > > > killed them. He knows if he does not extinguish the fire, he places
> > > > all
> > > > 195 others in jeopardy. I know this story is FACT because it
> > > > happened in
> > > > the Royal Australian Navy when I was still serving.
> > > >
> > > > *3.  Not afraid to make the hard decisions, like the example above,
> > > > for
> > > > the good of the whole.*
> > > >
> > > > *4.  Able to be self-critical and honest about mistakes or errors.*
> > > >     The member of a sports team who gives their all and is defeated
> > > > by
> > > > their opponent because the coach put them in the wrong position or
> > > > gave
> > > > the wrong task is not to blame for losing the game, the coach who
> > > > put
> > > > there is. The coach must then be able to exonerate the player and
> > > > take
> > > > the blame.
> > > >
> > > > *5.  Never asks another to do what he/she would not do themselves*,
> > > > a.k.a. lead by example or leading from the front.
> > > >     This does not mean the leader has to actually participate, but
> > > > it
> > > > does mean that those being led must know that when placed in the
> > > > same
> > > > position, the leader DID do exactly what he/she is now asking others
> > > > to
> > > > do, so understands their plight.
> > > >
> > > > *6.  Is cooperative rather than combative or manipulative.*
> > > >
> > > > *7.  Honest, moral, ethical and upstanding with a sense of justice
> > > > and
> > > > what is "right".*
> > > >      Nothing loses the respect of the led faster than some misdeed
> > > > by a
> > > > leader. Nonetheless, this does not mean the leader cannot have made
> > > > mistakes, (See 4. above), but just how they handle them. Another
> > > > true
> > > > story. On learning that their team leader was simply writing his own
> > > > reports based on his own presumptions and perceptions and not
> > > > analyzing
> > > > and compiling their results and reports as he should have done, the
> > > > team
> > > > simply stopped collecting the information and writing the reports -
> > > > not
> > > > a healthy situation for intelligence operators. When I took over the
> > > >
> > > > team, they were the worst, most demoralized team and the laughing
> > > > stock
> > > > of the Unit. Morale was deeper than Whale doo-doo!
> > > >
> > > > *8.  Openly and equitably distributes and shares the benefits and
> > > > burdens.*
> > > >     I've seen instances where everything is shared equally (a
> > > > Communist-style model) and others where things are shared according
> > > > to
> > > > pre-determined criteria or systems (a Capitalist-style model). From
> > > > my
> > > > (limited) experience, it doesn't seem to matter which method is
> > > > used,
> > > > rather that it is open and mutually agreed upon (See 6. above).
> > > >
> > > > *9.  Deep understanding of the aspirations, wishes, needs and
> > > > desires of
> > > > the led.*
> > > >     Without this understanding, no leader can ever hope to satisfy
> > > > these things for their followers.
> > > >
> > > > *10. Willingness to delegate responsibilities, reward success and
> > > > rectify the causes of failure.*
> > > >      By letting people undertake important tasks, rewarding them
> > > > when
> > > > they succeed and helping rectify the reasons they may have failed, a
> > > > leader builds trust. From mutual trust comes teamwork. From teamwork
> > > > comes success. Any team-building guru will tell you that, or
> > > > something
> > > > similar.
> > > >
> > > > Finally, I don't remember where this comes from, but I remember a
> > > > definition of "Leadership":
> > > >
> > > > _*"The ability to make others willingly do what they otherwise do
> > > > not
> > > > want to do."*_
> > > >
> > > > Have a pleasant Sunday all.
> > > >
> > > > Shane
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mr. Shane Wall
> > > > Principal,
> > > >
> > > > Trans Lingual Express
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> > > > Vietnam
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Craig Stevenson wrote:
> > > > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > To answer the original question, traits of the (one) leader I have
> > > > in
> > > > > mind:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >    1. great concern for his followers
> > > > >    2. willing to make the hard decisions
> > > > >    3. open, communicative, and energetic
> > > > >    4. includes the concerns/needs of others in his/her
> > > > decision-making
> > > > >       process
> > > > >    5. Inspiring
> > > > >    6. dedicated
> > > > >    7. honest
> > > > >    8. hard-working
> > > > >    9. serves as a role model
> > > > >
> > > > > I listed these as they came to mind, not sure how to prioritize
> > > > them
> > > > > or if I should, perhaps they are prioritized.  Perhaps they are
> > > > > intertwined and couldn't be separated fully, either to answer the
> > > > > question, or for the purposes of scientific study.
> > > > >
> > > > > Craig
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/14/07, *AD Marshall* < admarshall at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=admarshall at gmail.com>
> > > > > <mailto:admarshall at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=admarshall at gmail.com>>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >     [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >     Thien oi,
> > > > >
> > > > >     Your comments on group (or "community"?) development and
> > > > >     maintenance (BeLow) are indeed intriguing, to say the least,
> > > > >     especially your concluding comment that, "I [ie, you] must be
> > > > the
> > > > >     one who takes the final decision".
> > > > >
> > > > >     Thanks indeed for yet again dispelling any notion i might have
> > > > >     again entertained that living here might be becoming
> > > > monotonous or
> > > > >     even predictable.
> > > > >
> > > > >     Admittedly i must wonder if i'm witnessing or experiencing
> > > > some
> > > > >     sort of communications disconnect or not.  But assuming "not",
> > > > i
> > > > >     would then wonder at what sorts of correlations might be found
> > > >
> > > > >     between your comments and the incessant lament i've heard from
> > > > >     people here who source Vietnamese software programmers for
> > > > >     overseas work, ie, that Vietnamese programmers are remarkably
> > > > >     team-work challenged.
> > > > >
> > > > >     With warm wishes,
> > > > >     AD Marshall
> > > > >
> > > > >     On 7/15/07, *Tran Ba Thien* < tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>
> > > > >     <mailto:tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >         [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >         Dear anh Hoanh and CACC,
> > > > >
> > > > >         First I am not very cynical on against the current social
> > > > >         system of Vietnam.I feel ok with this circumstance and
> > > > >         condition. It meets my needs and my values of democracy
> > > > and
> > > > >         values of development. No, I never agree the system
> > > > totally.
> > > > >         but I encounter not many problems to complain.
> > > > >
> > > > >         In the role of a leader, what do I need to do for me and
> > > > for
> > > > >         my members? It's very interesting question.
> > > > >
> > > > >         -First I need to achieve the goal of my group as effective
> > > > as
> > > > >         possible.
> > > > >         -Then I need to set up friendship environment in our
> > > > group. I
> > > > >         may name the activity as building up group culture. I need
> > > > to
> > > > >         respect my member's idea, their values and their hopes. I
> > > > need
> > > > >         to litsen to them and protect their reputation their
> > > > interests.
> > > > >
> > > > >         -Every member and I need to understand that the success of
> > > > our
> > > > >         group is from all not from some specific persons.
> > > > >         -The group must give opportunities of developing to every
> > > > >         member in equally and fairly.
> > > > >
> > > > >         I must be the one who takes the final decision
> > > > >
> > > > >         If I cannot apply one of the above indicators, I must
> > > > resign.
> > > > >
> > > > >         best regards,
> > > > >         Tran Ba Thien
> > > > >         tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>
> > > > >         <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >             ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >             *From:* Tran Dinh Hoanh
> > > > >             <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tdhoanh at gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >             *To:* vnbiz at vietlinks.net<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=vnbiz at vietlinks.net>
> > > > >             <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=vnbiz at vietlinks.net
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >             *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:45 AM
> > > > >             *Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you
> > > > looking
> > > > >             for in your leader?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >             [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >             Dear brother Thien & CACC,
> > > > >
> > > > >             Thanks for the frank and emotional response, anh
> > > > Thien.
> > > > >             And thanks for your frankness and courage.  Frankness
> > > > and
> > > > >             courage are very rare commodity anywhere in the world.
> > > > >
> > > > >             Of course, I understand exactly what you are talking
> > > > >             about. If there is any consolation, I have never been
> > > > able
> > > > >             to choose anyone I really like either.  When I was in
> > > > >             Vietnam, of course, we had no choice.  In the US, I
> > > > often
> > > > >             did the task of choosing the least bad guy among the
> > > > bad
> > > > >             guys.  Hard to find good leaders.  That is just the
> > > > nature
> > > > >             of life.
> > > > >
> > > > >             The issues you raise are not simple matters.  As you
> > > > say,
> > > > >             we cannot give the 3-yr-old kid the 7-yr-old-kid
> > > > >             clothing.  Democracy is a process, in which economic
> > > > and
> > > > >             social development as well as the human relationship
> > > > among
> > > > >             the citizens play a major role.  Indeed, I think
> > > > democracy
> > > > >             is not a destination, but a journey.
> > > > >
> > > > >             These all are matters close to my heart.  But we will
> > > > >             develop this thread about democracy, choosing leaders
> > > > and
> > > > >             citizen responsibilities in the future, so that we
> > > > don't
> > > > >             confuse our current discussion:  What is your own idea
> > > > of
> > > > >             leadership?
> > > > >
> > > > >             So brother Thien, assuming that you don't really care
> > > > >             about other leaders because you have no right to
> > > > really
> > > > >             choose the leaders you like and everything is imposed
> > > > from
> > > > >             above, I agree with you absolutely and I am
> > > > sympathetic
> > > > >             with you.  So let me switch the angle a little and ask
> > > > you
> > > > >             this question:  You must be the leader of someone, be
> > > > that
> > > > >             your younger brother or sister, your children, your
> > > > >             students, or someone you have been mentoring.  In
> > > > >             such capacity as that person's leader, what do you
> > > > think
> > > > >             you need in order to to fulfill your job?
> > > > >
> > > > >             I don't care about other guys.  I care about
> > > > you.  What
> > > > >             your idea of leadership is?  What do you demand of
> > > > >             yourself as a leader of someone?
> > > > >
> > > > >             Have a great day!
> > > > >
> > > > >             Hoanh
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >             On 7/13/07, *Tran Ba Thien* < tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>
> > > > >             <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com
> > > > >>
> > > > >             wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >                 [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >                 Dear anh Hoanh,
> > > > >
> > > > >                 for the question of yours, I tell you my truth.
> > > > That's
> > > > >                 what I really performed in every election in
> > > > Vietnam.
> > > > >
> > > > >                 I have no choice, nothing at all. My family
> > > > members
> > > > >                 and I used to meet together then asked who might
> > > > have
> > > > >                 time to go voting. Then we selected someone. The
> > > > >                 person would take our voter card to go to the
> > > > voting
> > > > >                 place. The person would have no choice at all.
> > > > He/she
> > > > >                 deleted some candidates accidentally then voted.
> > > > >
> > > > >                 It's not my joke story. But It's my real.
> > > > Sometime, I
> > > > >                 don't care the percentage of who have real choice
> > > > and
> > > > >                 who have no choice in election. A few months ago,
> > > > in
> > > > >                 the voting day for congress election, my friend
> > > > was
> > > > >                 very busy. No one of his family could go voting.
> > > > then
> > > > >                 his "to truong dan pho" came and asked his family
> > > > gave
> > > > >                 him their voter cards. He did voting for them.
> > > > >
> > > > >                 Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the
> > > > truth.
> > > > >
> > > > >                 In my real life, I really don't have opportunity
> > > > to
> > > > >                 choose and to vote my leader. The position is set
> > > > up
> > > > >                 from above. But if you want to know my knowledge
> > > > about
> > > > >                 how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many
> > > > things.
> > > > >                 All of them come from my theory, my dream and
> > > > nothing
> > > > >                 from my real. You might be surprised. I can
> > > > understand
> > > > >                 your reaction. For me, my choice is not to select
> > > > how
> > > > >                 to perform my democracy but what I can gain from
> > > > this
> > > > >                 type of democracy. I feel ok. This type of society
> > > > can
> > > > >                 give me enough opportunity to get paid, to get
> > > > food
> > > > >                 and that's all.
> > > > >
> > > > >                 In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very
> > > > simple.
> > > > >                 When the boy is 3 year you just give him 3-year
> > > > >                 clothes. When he is 10 you need to give him
> > > > 10-year
> > > > >                 clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a
> > > > 10-year
> > > > >                 clothes because it cannot meet his needs. Then the
> > > >
> > > > >                 type of democracy is the same. I think we have
> > > > talked
> > > > >                 about definition of democracy many times. In this
> > > > >                 issues, I don't want to talk about democracy but
> > > > >                 leadership. I have no choice in electing. Then I
> > > > >                 cannot give you a correct answer. I am very
> > > > serious. I
> > > > >                 understand my answer doesn't meet your question
> > > > >                 correctly. But according to your words, I try to
> > > > give
> > > > >                 my best.
> > > > >
> > > > >                 best regards,
> > > > >                 Tran Ba Thien
> > > > >                 tranbathien at gmail.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com>
> > > > >                 <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >                     --
> > > > >                     Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> > > > >                     Washington DC
> > > > >
> > > > >
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The World Bank's report attached provides a comprehensive conceptual frame 
work for all the choices Vietnam must make, including environmental 
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Dear brother Duyen & CACC,
 
Thank you for sending the article on China's environment efforts.  I 
wonder if we have somewhere an article or a short summary of Vietnam's 
environment efforts to date.
 
Have a great day!
 
Hoanh

 
On 7/15/07, Duyen Nguyen <duyennv at gmail.com> wrote: 
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Dear A Hoanh and CACC,
 
Thanks brother Hoanh for your pro-environment development analysis. I just 
come accross an article in recent Far Eastern Economic Review, regarding 
how China dealing with this. I hope that you can see similarity between 
China and Vietnam. 
 
Give me 2 cents for typing on very hot weekend in Hanoi as I could not 
access FEER online.
 
Have a great week ahead.
Cheers
 
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 07:00:46 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] What are you looking for in your leader?
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Dear Tuy Phuong and CACC


It's very enthusiastic. May I have a question? In positivist view, can you measure those virtues? It means that How can I aware that my leader is qualify leader? 

When you want to employ a director for a section, how can you choose the qualify director? Do you need to test him/her in some specific activities? Or do you just study CVs of candidates  then you can get the decision? 

Theory and practice are 2 different things. I don't want to open an argument. I hope we can apply what we have discussed. Don't focus too much on theory.

I like your condense idea, sis Tuy Phuong

best regards,
Tran Ba Thien
tranbathien at gmail.com
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  Yes, anh Craig.  From these core traits we surely should be able to have all others.  Per anh Hoanh's request, if I have to condense, here are my 3 core elements must have in a capable sensible leader:

  *WISDOM 
  From Wisdom, we would gain knowledge to know the different.  

  *VIRTUE
  From Virtue, we would be capable to identify what right from wrong.  We would be more honest, more ethical, more moral, more humane, more considerate, more compassionate toward our fellows human being.  

  *INTEGRITY
  From Integrity, we will command respect and inspiration from others.  Out of respect and inspiration we'll receive unfading cooperation in all aspects.

  Great day everyone!  Please be well and be safe!

  TP

   
  On 7/17/07, Craig Stevenson <cstevenson2000 at gmail.com> wrote: 
    [ Vietnam Business Forum ]

     


    Integrity and Virtue, I am starting to like the shorter listings better.

    Very good additions,
    From them we should be ore likely to have the others, no?

    Craig
     
    On 7/17/07, Tea (Tuy-Phuong) LeTran <tealetran at gmail.com > wrote: 
      [ Vietnam Business Forum ]

       


      Absolutely a great list and very sensible anh Shane.  So is anh Craig.  Sis Lien's addition is equally important.  Thank you so much.  I would like to mention one more trait that I sincerely believe a sensible leader should have and that is: 

      * VIRTUE 

      I hope this addition of mine is not a repetitive of number *7 on your list anh Shane.

      Be well and be safe everyone.

       
      On 7/15/07, Shane Wall <shane.wall at translingualexpress.com > wrote: 
        [ Vietnam Business Forum ]


        Great list Craig.

        Here's my list, not in prioritized order because I consider all of them 
        equally important, and some comments, thoughts or examples.

        *1.  Willing to openly canvass and listen to all opinions, including
        ones the leader may disagree with.*
             Only by listening to all views and perspectives can the correct 
        one be found.

        *2.  Be totally committed to the welfare of the "entity" being led as a
        whole, not just elements within it.*
            If only one section of the entity is cared for, human nature will
        quickly ensure that the entity disintegrates. This also means that
        sometimes a leader must be willing to harm part of the whole in order
        for the whole to become or remain healthy. A true example is the Ship
        Captain whose ship has an uncontrolled fire in the engineroom. He knows 
        there are 4 sailors still in the engineroom and 195 others safe. He does
        not know if the 4 are still alive or dead already. He orders the
        engineroom sealed and the firefighting chemical Halon to be dumped into
        the compartment. Halon is lethally toxic when it reacts with fire
        (that's part of how it works). He knows if the 4 are alive, he has just
        killed them. He knows if he does not extinguish the fire, he places all
        195 others in jeopardy. I know this story is FACT because it happened in
        the Royal Australian Navy when I was still serving.

        *3.  Not afraid to make the hard decisions, like the example above, for
        the good of the whole.* 

        *4.  Able to be self-critical and honest about mistakes or errors.*
            The member of a sports team who gives their all and is defeated by
        their opponent because the coach put them in the wrong position or gave 
        the wrong task is not to blame for losing the game, the coach who put
        there is. The coach must then be able to exonerate the player and take
        the blame.

        *5.  Never asks another to do what he/she would not do themselves*, 
        a.k.a. lead by example or leading from the front.
            This does not mean the leader has to actually participate, but it
        does mean that those being led must know that when placed in the same
        position, the leader DID do exactly what he/she is now asking others to 
        do, so understands their plight.

        *6.  Is cooperative rather than combative or manipulative.*

        *7.  Honest, moral, ethical and upstanding with a sense of justice and
        what is "right".*
             Nothing loses the respect of the led faster than some misdeed by a 
        leader. Nonetheless, this does not mean the leader cannot have made
        mistakes, (See 4. above), but just how they handle them. Another true
        story. On learning that their team leader was simply writing his own
        reports based on his own presumptions and perceptions and not analyzing 
        and compiling their results and reports as he should have done, the team
        simply stopped collecting the information and writing the reports - not
        a healthy situation for intelligence operators. When I took over the 
        team, they were the worst, most demoralized team and the laughing stock
        of the Unit. Morale was deeper than Whale doo-doo!

        *8.  Openly and equitably distributes and shares the benefits and burdens.*
            I've seen instances where everything is shared equally (a 
        Communist-style model) and others where things are shared according to
        pre-determined criteria or systems (a Capitalist-style model). >From my
        (limited) experience, it doesn't seem to matter which method is used, 
        rather that it is open and mutually agreed upon (See 6. above).

        *9.  Deep understanding of the aspirations, wishes, needs and desires of
        the led.*
            Without this understanding, no leader can ever hope to satisfy 
        these things for their followers.

        *10. Willingness to delegate responsibilities, reward success and
        rectify the causes of failure.*
             By letting people undertake important tasks, rewarding them when
        they succeed and helping rectify the reasons they may have failed, a
        leader builds trust. From mutual trust comes teamwork. From teamwork
        comes success. Any team-building guru will tell you that, or something
        similar. 

        Finally, I don't remember where this comes from, but I remember a
        definition of "Leadership":

        _*"The ability to make others willingly do what they otherwise do not
        want to do."*_ 

        Have a pleasant Sunday all.

        Shane
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        Craig Stevenson wrote:
        > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
        >
        >
        >
        > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
        >
        > To answer the original question, traits of the (one) leader I have in 
        > mind:
        >
        >
        >    1. great concern for his followers
        >    2. willing to make the hard decisions
        >    3. open, communicative, and energetic 
        >    4. includes the concerns/needs of others in his/her decision-making 
        >       process
        >    5. Inspiring
        >    6. dedicated
        >    7. honest
        >    8. hard-working
        >    9. serves as a role model 
        >
        > I listed these as they came to mind, not sure how to prioritize them 
        > or if I should, perhaps they are prioritized.  Perhaps they are
        > intertwined and couldn't be separated fully, either to answer the 
        > question, or for the purposes of scientific study.
        >
        > Craig
        >
        >
        > On 7/14/07, *AD Marshall* < admarshall at gmail.com
        > <mailto:admarshall at gmail.com>> wrote: 
        >
        >     [ Vietnam Business Forum ] 
        >
        >
        >
        >     Thien oi,
        >
        >     Your comments on group (or "community"?) development and
        >     maintenance (BeLow) are indeed intriguing, to say the least, 
        >     especially your concluding comment that, "I [ie, you] must be the 
        >     one who takes the final decision".
        >
        >     Thanks indeed for yet again dispelling any notion i might have
        >     again entertained that living here might be becoming monotonous or
        >     even predictable. 
        >
        >     Admittedly i must wonder if i'm witnessing or experiencing some
        >     sort of communications disconnect or not.  But assuming "not", i 
        >     would then wonder at what sorts of correlations might be found 
        >     between your comments and the incessant lament i've heard from
        >     people here who source Vietnamese software programmers for 
        >     overseas work, ie, that Vietnamese programmers are remarkably 
        >     team-work challenged.
        >
        >     With warm wishes,
        >     AD Marshall
        >
        >     On 7/15/07, *Tran Ba Thien* < tranbathien at gmail.com
        >     <mailto:tranbathien at gmail.com>> wrote:
        >
        >         [ Vietnam Business Forum ] 
        >
        >
        >
        >         Dear anh Hoanh and CACC,
        >
        >         First I am not very cynical on against the current social
        >         system of Vietnam.I feel ok with this circumstance and
        >         condition. It meets my needs and my values of democracy and 
        >         values of development. No, I never agree the system totally.
        >         but I encounter not many problems to complain.
        > 
        >         In the role of a leader, what do I need to do for me and for 
        >         my members? It's very interesting question.
        >
        >         -First I need to achieve the goal of my group as effective as 
        >         possible.
        >         -Then I need to set up friendship environment in our group. I 
        >         may name the activity as building up group culture. I need to
        >         respect my member's idea, their values and their hopes. I need 
        >         to litsen to them and protect their reputation their interests. 
        >
        >         -Every member and I need to understand that the success of our
        >         group is from all not from some specific persons. 
        >         -The group must give opportunities of developing to every 
        >         member in equally and fairly.
        >
        >         I must be the one who takes the final decision
        >
        >         If I cannot apply one of the above indicators, I must resign. 
        >
        >         best regards, 
        >         Tran Ba Thien
        >         tranbathien at gmail.com 
        >         <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com >
        >
        >             ----- Original Message -----
        >             *From:* Tran Dinh Hoanh
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        >             *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:45 AM
        >             *Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking
        >             for in your leader?
        >
        >
        >             [ Vietnam Business Forum ] 
        >
        >             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
        >             Dear brother Thien & CACC,
        >
        >             Thanks for the frank and emotional response, anh Thien. 
        >             And thanks for your frankness and courage.  Frankness and
        >             courage are very rare commodity anywhere in the world.
        >
        >             Of course, I understand exactly what you are talking 
        >             about. If there is any consolation, I have never been able
        >             to choose anyone I really like either.  When I was in
        >             Vietnam, of course, we had no choice.  In the US, I often 
        >             did the task of choosing the least bad guy among the bad
        >             guys.  Hard to find good leaders.  That is just the nature
        >             of life.
        >
        >             The issues you raise are not simple matters.  As you say, 
        >             we cannot give the 3-yr-old kid the 7-yr-old-kid
        >             clothing.  Democracy is a process, in which economic and
        >             social development as well as the human relationship among 
        >             the citizens play a major role.  Indeed, I think democracy
        >             is not a destination, but a journey.
        >
        >             These all are matters close to my heart.  But we will
        >             develop this thread about democracy, choosing leaders and
        >             citizen responsibilities in the future, so that we don't
        >             confuse our current discussion:  What is your own idea of 
        >             leadership?
        >
        >             So brother Thien, assuming that you don't really care
        >             about other leaders because you have no right to really
        >             choose the leaders you like and everything is imposed from 
        >             above, I agree with you absolutely and I am sympathetic
        >             with you.  So let me switch the angle a little and ask you
        >             this question:  You must be the leader of someone, be that 
        >             your younger brother or sister, your children, your
        >             students, or someone you have been mentoring.  In
        >             such capacity as that person's leader, what do you think 
        >             you need in order to to fulfill your job?
        >
        >             I don't care about other guys.  I care about you.  What
        >             your idea of leadership is?  What do you demand of 
        >             yourself as a leader of someone?
        >
        >             Have a great day!
        >
        >             Hoanh
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >             On 7/13/07, *Tran Ba Thien* < tranbathien at gmail.com
        >             <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com >> 
        >             wrote:
        >
        >                 [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
        >
        >
        >
        >                 Dear anh Hoanh,
        >
        >                 for the question of yours, I tell you my truth. That's 
        >                 what I really performed in every election in Vietnam.
        >
        >                 I have no choice, nothing at all. My family members
        >                 and I used to meet together then asked who might have 
        >                 time to go voting. Then we selected someone. The
        >                 person would take our voter card to go to the voting
        >                 place. The person would have no choice at all. He/she 
        >                 deleted some candidates accidentally then voted.
        >
        >                 It's not my joke story. But It's my real. Sometime, I
        >                 don't care the percentage of who have real choice and 
        >                 who have no choice in election. A few months ago, in
        >                 the voting day for congress election, my friend was
        >                 very busy. No one of his family could go voting. then 
        >                 his "to truong dan pho" came and asked his family gave
        >                 him their voter cards. He did voting for them.
        >
        >                 Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the truth. 
        >
        >                 In my real life, I really don't have opportunity to
        >                 choose and to vote my leader. The position is set up
        >                 from above. But if you want to know my knowledge about 
        >                 how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many things.
        >                 All of them come from my theory, my dream and nothing
        >                 from my real. You might be surprised. I can understand 
        >                 your reaction. For me, my choice is not to select how
        >                 to perform my democracy but what I can gain from this
        >                 type of democracy. I feel ok. This type of society can 
        >                 give me enough opportunity to get paid, to get food
        >                 and that's all.
        >
        >                 In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very simple.
        >                 When the boy is 3 year you just give him 3-year 
        >                 clothes. When he is 10 you need to give him 10-year
        >                 clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a 10-year
        >                 clothes because it cannot meet his needs. Then the 
        >                 type of democracy is the same. I think we have talked
        >                 about definition of democracy many times. In this
        >                 issues, I don't want to talk about democracy but 
        >                 leadership. I have no choice in electing. Then I
        >                 cannot give you a correct answer. I am very serious. I
        >                 understand my answer doesn't meet your question 
        >                 correctly. But according to your words, I try to give
        >                 my best.
        >
        >                 best regards,
        >                 Tran Ba Thien
        >                 tranbathien at gmail.com
        >                 <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com > 
        >
        >                     --
        >                     Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
        >                     Washington DC
        >
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  Form is not different from Void, Void is not different from Form
  Form is Void, Void is Form
          (The Great-Wisdom-Beyond-Wisdom Heart Sutra) 

  Sa('c ba^'t di. Kho^ng, Kho^ng ba^'t di. Sa('c
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From Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov  Wed Jul 18 17:07:45 2007
From: Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov (Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:07:45 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Let me invite you to Quy Nhon...
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Romi,
Thanks for sharing your pictures of Quy Nhon.  They bring back good 
memories of the golden sand.  I haven't been there since 1991 when I 
stopped by there and Quy Hoa to search for traces of the talented but 
ill-fated poet who's a favorite.  There wasn't much then.  I guess people 
were too poor and preoccupied with basic needs to do much with poetry.  So 
I am glad to see that things have changed so much for the better.
Best,  HPP
P.S.  Out of respect for the author, and in the interest of IPR, it would 
be good to have his verses attributed with his pen name and year composed 
on those big signs you took pictures of.  HPP



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[ Vietnam Business Forum ]

Dear all,
 
I hope this mail finds you well. My life has been a lot more hectic than 
ever before. I am enjoying it deeply! Just lacking in time to write you 
more properly. Perhaps after my trip to Thailand and Sri Lanka this coming 
August. 
In the meantime, here are some new pictures to share with you: 
http://picasaweb.google.com/romibleue/QuyNhonJuly2007  (Click Slide Show 
for better view). It was a field trip to Quy Nhon, as part of a project 
examining the gender imbalance situation in several provinces of Viet Nam. 
(You might be aware of a growing problem of Viet Nam's population, in 
which men currently outnumber women). 
 
Despite my crazy schedule in Quy Nhon, I did have great fun walking along 
the beach and shooting photos (using my colleague's camera) every early 
morning. Hope you enjoy the pictures! 
 
Though you don't hear much from me, pls remember that I think of you from 
time to time...
 
All the best,
 
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 20:05:11 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:05:11 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
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Dear CACC,

Thanks chi Tea for the wonderful short list and brothers Andi & Brother
Thien for the critical look at Tea's response.  While waiting for more short
lists to come, I'd like to make a quick comment on brothers Andi's and
Thien's responses, because the wonderful analytical questions from them have
the potential to lead us into a great confusion if we don't try to clear the
air as fast as we can.

Anh Andi question belongs to the "definition" category.  How do we define
"wise" or "integrity"?  This question carries with it two other definition
questions:  First, we need further concepts to define what "wise" or
"integrity" really is.   And second, the problem of subjectivity:  "Wise" to
this person may mean "unwise" to another person.

These questions are superb philosophical questions.  And if you really act
like a philosopoher, your chain of questions may go indefinitely--as soon as
someone gives you an answer, you will be able to push for another sesires of
questions (of the Socrates style).  Can't win :-)

But let me say this:  There is a general agreement among us humans about
many things, and there is disagreement only in borderline cases.  Say, in
general, we all will agree that helping the poor is good, stealing is bad.
But in some borderline cases, someone may say he is doing something (like
lending money) to help the poor, while others may say that he
actually steals from the poor (by charging a high interest rate on his
loans).  These borderline cases may bring disagreement and dispute, and
bring into question what we consider good or bad.  But they cannot stop us
from agreeing worldwide that helping the poor is good and stealing is bad.

Once I heard someone say: "Don't sit there and argue what 'good' really
means.  Just go out and try to be good."  The author implies correctly
that most of us has our own definition of "good" and most of the time our
own definition agrees with other people's definitions around the world, even
though there may be differences in borderline cases here and there.  The
main things is that we don't sit until we can define everything absolutely
clearly -- because we're NEVER able to define anything with absolute
clarity; human language always has a great degree of vagueness in it.

I believe that in general we all know what wisdom and integrity mean,
although we may disagree where Mr. X is wise or not.

On another point, anh Andi is correct that we will sacrify clarity for
brevity.  That may be true, but as a matter of learning and practice, in
almost every single subject we need to focus on one or two or three core
elements ad the guiding principles for everything else.  Say, when I teach
people to write, I tell them to focus on one thing: "Simplicity, simplicity,
simplicity.  You have to be able to write about Einstein relativity theory
in a way that a junior high school student will understand you. If you can't
do that, you are not a good writer."  When I teach martial arts, I say:
"Lots of things are important--strength, speed, flexibility, stamina,
strategy.  But we want to focus on speed, because if you practice speed, you
will build up your strength, your flexibility, your stamina, and your
strategy.  It is useless to be strong if you cannot hit a fast guy."

Christianity teaches a great many many things, but all of them come from the
central idea of "lovling your neighbor as you love yourself" and "Do
unto your neighbor what you would have done unto you."  Western Democracy
encompasses many things, but they all flow from the concept that "everyone
is born equal" and "living together with our differences."   Communism also
teaches many things, but they all flow from the concept that "everyone is
born equal, but the bad guys (i.e., captialists and the like) have created
and maintained inequality and must be destroyed."

In any subject, there are great many things to learn, but for us not to get
lost, there must one on or two things acting like the North Star. to act as
a point of reference for everything else.  That is what I call "core
element."

In a separate message, I will attempt to "clear the air" on Brother Thien's
message. Also, anh Shane's wonderful list has one or two points that I would
love to analylize further, soon.

In the meantime, it would be great with other brothers/sisters volunteer
some core elements of leadership.

Have a great day!

Hoanh

On 7/18/07, AD Marshall <admarshall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> Good reduction, Chi Tea.  In fact, i'd bet that if someone had real
> wisdom, they'd have virtue, integrity, and several other good, basic
> qualities, too.
>
> But there seems to be a trade-off between brevity and clarity or
> verifiability arising here.  Someone could say, "Just show me a real wise
> guy, or gal, and s/he'll be my leader."  Someone else might justifiable ask,
> "Wise?"  You might answer, "To know the difference between good and bad
> knowledge or actions and to always choose and do good." and you'd have
> provided an apparently good response.  But would it be sufficient?
>
> Wouldn't we need some further criteria we could use to identify or verify
> the wisdom, virtue and integrity of such a person?  And what if a
> pre-pubescent child, like the Dalai Lama candidates, is shown to have
> intuitive wisdom, virtue and integrity?  Should we follow him or her?  Or
> does wisdom need to be balanced by, say, for example, experience?
>
> And should we also ask good for who and what?  Is what is "good" for a
> wise Buddhist monk the same as what a wise business-person or a wise
> politician will consider "good"?   For example, how would we expect each of
> them to judge the principle of buying low and selling high among poor people
> buying goods and selling their labour?  Or, if they live in an
> over-populated emergent economy in a world faced with imminent human-induced
> environmental collapse, what policies would we expect them to make or
> enforce about family planning or advertising products and services related
> to raising families?  Just questions...
>
>
> (Btw, another potential leadership model i've run into, for any Buddhist
> business-folks here, might be Thich Minh Thanh of the South Central
> Monastery in Binh Thanh, HCMC.  I recently introduced him to gmail and
> blogger.com and he's gone hog-wild with online publishing.  He was already
> proficient in computer usage, English and Chinese.  Widely read and
> travelled.  Interpreted English to Vietnamese for the Dalai Lama in New York
> a few years back.  See, for example,
> http://www.blogger.com/profile/11063141492749437626 for a list of all his
> new blogs.  The Giac Ngo English Club (GNEC) blog is in (what else?)
> English, at http://giacngoenglishclub.blogspot.com/.  The rest are mainly
> in Vietnamese.  Due disclosure: i'm his [part-time, temporary] "assistant"
> for the GNEC. ;))
>
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
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From tdhoanh at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 20:13:23 2007
From: tdhoanh at gmail.com (Tran Dinh Hoanh)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:13:23 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Welcome chi Xuan Hoa into VNBIZ
Message-ID: <fe5aabf50707182013p1c7787fbqef8cef91e64d1fe2@mail.gmail.com>

Dear CACC,

Please join to welcome chi Du Thi Xuan hoa into our VNBIZ family.

Chi Xuan Hoa   xuanhoa.du at gmail.com is a news reporter at Vietnam Investment
Review, Timeout, (Dau tu, Dau tu Chung khoan), 178 Nguyen Dinh Chieu, Dist
3, HCMC.  Tel: (08)930 5311 Fax: 930 5318 E-mail:     xuanhoa.du at gmail.com
xuanhoa.du at virhcm.com.vn
Website:   www.vir.com.vn

Vietnam Investment Review and its supplement Timeout are published every
Monday. Dau tu is published on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Dau tu Chung
khoan is published on Monday and Thursday.

Welcome in, sister.  Thanks for the info about various VIR publications,
enough of them to confuse most of us, including me :-)   I wonder if you
know us through Hong Nhung.   I saw her message today to Romi that she is
working at Time Out.  If yes, Thanks HN for introducing your friend.

Just so you now, sis, Xuan Hoa, we don't have "newsletter" in VNBIZ.  we
just have lots and lots of messages :-)  Hope you enjoy our messages and
will contribute to make them even more enjoyable.

Great day, sis Xuan Hoa and all.

Hoanh

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Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
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From xuanhoa.du at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 20:19:16 2007
From: xuanhoa.du at gmail.com (hoa du)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:19:16 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] Welcome chi Xuan Hoa into VNBIZ
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Hi Hoanh!

Thanks for your walm welcome.

It's true that Nhung was a great supporter for VNBIZ and I like the forum
thorugh her aggressive introduction.

I am ready for the flow of messages and friendship.

Have a great day!


On 7/19/07, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> Dear CACC,
>
> Please join to welcome chi Du Thi Xuan hoa into our VNBIZ family.
>
> Chi Xuan Hoa   xuanhoa.du at gmail.com is a news reporter at Vietnam
> Investment Review, Timeout, (Dau tu, Dau tu Chung khoan), 178 Nguyen Dinh
> Chieu, Dist 3, HCMC.  Tel: (08)930 5311 Fax: 930 5318 E-mail:
> xuanhoa.du at gmail.com   xuanhoa.du at virhcm.com.vn
> Website:   www.vir.com.vn
>
> Vietnam Investment Review and its supplement Timeout are published every
> Monday. Dau tu is published on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Dau tu Chung
> khoan is published on Monday and Thursday.
>
> Welcome in, sister.  Thanks for the info about various VIR publications,
> enough of them to confuse most of us, including me :-)   I wonder if you
> know us through Hong Nhung.   I saw her message today to Romi that she is
> working at Time Out.  If yes, Thanks HN for introducing your friend.
>
> Just so you now, sis, Xuan Hoa, we don't have "newsletter" in VNBIZ.  we
> just have lots and lots of messages :-)  Hope you enjoy our messages and
> will contribute to make them even more enjoyable.
>
> Great day, sis Xuan Hoa and all.
>
> Hoanh
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
>
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From tealetran at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 22:25:50 2007
From: tealetran at gmail.com (Tea (Tuy-Phuong) LeTran)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 01:25:50 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] What are you looking for in your leader?
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Dear anh Thien and CACC,

Thank you anh Thien.  To answer your question - yes, anhThien, you can
measure somewhat of those qualities when you're looking for a qualify
leader.

In the US, in any corporate environment, any management applicant have to go
through a careful screening process.

FIRST - you'll screen his/her CVs.

SECOND - you'll do a background check through the public info system, plus
his/her former and current employers, plus his/her must provide 3 different
references and one of them have to be from the neighbor (he/she must have a
proven record of experiences and personal conducts).

THIRD - you'll interview the applicant for personal screening.  If other
management personnel going to work with he/she, that person need to
interview the applicant as well.  Normally at least three upper management
personnel interview the applicant.

FOURTH - providing you like the applicant with your first interview and
you're really impress with his/her background, you still would have to
interview the applicant again before you make your final decision just in
case there were an error in your judgement earlier.

I am totally agree with you that theory and practice are two different
things.  Realisticly, this is very practicable and applicable and is not
just theory anh Thien :-) .  As a matter of facts, in the US and else where,
there are numerous of Schools, Colleges, Universities carry a
mandatory program to train people on how to find qualify candidates for
corporations.

As to how to justify a person with admirable virtue?  I remembered my
grandfather keep telling me during my grown-up years a famous
Vietnamese ngu. ngo^n and he wanted me to live by it.. "Hu`m Che^'t -De^?
Da, Ngu+o+`i Ta Che^'t -De^? Tie^'ng".  According to this ngu. ngo^n I
think we should be able to obtain the info by his/her reputation among
his/her family, friends, co-workers, supervisors, former employers, and
neighbors.

Be well and be safe everyone,

TP

On 7/18/07, Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
>  Dear Tuy Phuong and CACC
>
>
> It's very enthusiastic. May I have a question? In positivist view, can you
> measure those virtues? It means that How can I aware that my leader is
> qualify leader?
>
> When you want to employ a director for a section, how can you choose the
> qualify director? Do you need to test him/her in some specific activities?
> Or do you just study CVs of candidates  then you can get the decision?
>
> Theory and practice are 2 different things. I don't want to open an
> argument. I hope we can apply what we have discussed. Don't focus too much
> on theory.
>
> I like your condense idea, sis Tuy Phuong
>
> best regards,
> Tran Ba Thien
> tranbathien at gmail.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Tea (Tuy-Phuong) LeTran <tealetran at gmail.com>
> *To:* vnbiz at vietlinks.net
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:04 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your
> leader?
>
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> Yes, anh Craig.  From these core traits we surely should be able to
> have all others.  Per anh Hoanh's request, if I have to condense, here are
> my 3 core elements must have in a capable sensible leader:
>
> *WISDOM
> From Wisdom, we would gain knowledge to know the different.
>
> *VIRTUE
> From Virtue, we would be capable to identify what right from wrong.  We
> would be more honest, more ethical, more moral, more humane, more
> considerate, more compassionate toward our fellows human being.
>
> *INTEGRITY
> From Integrity, we will command respect and inspiration from others.  Out
> of respect and inspiration we'll receive unfading cooperation in all
> aspects.
>
> Great day everyone!  Please be well and be safe!
>
> TP
>
>
> On 7/17/07, Craig Stevenson <cstevenson2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> > Integrity and Virtue, I am starting to like the shorter listings better.
> >
> > Very good additions,
> > From them we should be ore likely to have the others, no?
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > On 7/17/07, Tea (Tuy-Phuong) LeTran <tealetran at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Absolutely a great list and very sensible anh Shane.  So is anh
> > > Craig.  Sis Lien's addition is equally important.  Thank you so much.  I
> > > would like to mention one more trait that I sincerely believe a sensible
> > > leader should have and that is:
> > >
> > > * VIRTUE
> > >
> > > I hope this addition of mine is not a repetitive of number *7 on your
> > > list anh Shane.
> > >
> > > Be well and be safe everyone.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/15/07, Shane Wall <shane.wall at translingualexpress.com > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Great list Craig.
> > > >
> > > > Here's my list, not in prioritized order because I consider all of
> > > > them
> > > > equally important, and some comments, thoughts or examples.
> > > >
> > > > *1.  Willing to openly canvass and listen to all opinions, including
> > > > ones the leader may disagree with.*
> > > >      Only by listening to all views and perspectives can the correct
> > > >
> > > > one be found.
> > > >
> > > > *2.  Be totally committed to the welfare of the "entity" being led
> > > > as a
> > > > whole, not just elements within it.*
> > > >     If only one section of the entity is cared for, human nature
> > > > will
> > > > quickly ensure that the entity disintegrates. This also means that
> > > > sometimes a leader must be willing to harm part of the whole in
> > > > order
> > > > for the whole to become or remain healthy. A true example is the
> > > > Ship
> > > > Captain whose ship has an uncontrolled fire in the engineroom. He
> > > > knows
> > > > there are 4 sailors still in the engineroom and 195 others safe. He
> > > > does
> > > > not know if the 4 are still alive or dead already. He orders the
> > > > engineroom sealed and the firefighting chemical Halon to be dumped
> > > > into
> > > > the compartment. Halon is lethally toxic when it reacts with fire
> > > > (that's part of how it works). He knows if the 4 are alive, he has
> > > > just
> > > > killed them. He knows if he does not extinguish the fire, he places
> > > > all
> > > > 195 others in jeopardy. I know this story is FACT because it
> > > > happened in
> > > > the Royal Australian Navy when I was still serving.
> > > >
> > > > *3.  Not afraid to make the hard decisions, like the example above,
> > > > for
> > > > the good of the whole.*
> > > >
> > > > *4.  Able to be self-critical and honest about mistakes or errors.*
> > > >     The member of a sports team who gives their all and is defeated
> > > > by
> > > > their opponent because the coach put them in the wrong position or
> > > > gave
> > > > the wrong task is not to blame for losing the game, the coach who
> > > > put
> > > > there is. The coach must then be able to exonerate the player and
> > > > take
> > > > the blame.
> > > >
> > > > *5.  Never asks another to do what he/she would not do themselves*,
> > > > a.k.a. lead by example or leading from the front.
> > > >     This does not mean the leader has to actually participate, but
> > > > it
> > > > does mean that those being led must know that when placed in the
> > > > same
> > > > position, the leader DID do exactly what he/she is now asking others
> > > > to
> > > > do, so understands their plight.
> > > >
> > > > *6.  Is cooperative rather than combative or manipulative.*
> > > >
> > > > *7.  Honest, moral, ethical and upstanding with a sense of justice
> > > > and
> > > > what is "right".*
> > > >      Nothing loses the respect of the led faster than some misdeed
> > > > by a
> > > > leader. Nonetheless, this does not mean the leader cannot have made
> > > > mistakes, (See 4. above), but just how they handle them. Another
> > > > true
> > > > story. On learning that their team leader was simply writing his own
> > > > reports based on his own presumptions and perceptions and not
> > > > analyzing
> > > > and compiling their results and reports as he should have done, the
> > > > team
> > > > simply stopped collecting the information and writing the reports -
> > > > not
> > > > a healthy situation for intelligence operators. When I took over the
> > > >
> > > > team, they were the worst, most demoralized team and the laughing
> > > > stock
> > > > of the Unit. Morale was deeper than Whale doo-doo!
> > > >
> > > > *8.  Openly and equitably distributes and shares the benefits and
> > > > burdens.*
> > > >     I've seen instances where everything is shared equally (a
> > > > Communist-style model) and others where things are shared according
> > > > to
> > > > pre-determined criteria or systems (a Capitalist-style model). From
> > > > my
> > > > (limited) experience, it doesn't seem to matter which method is
> > > > used,
> > > > rather that it is open and mutually agreed upon (See 6. above).
> > > >
> > > > *9.  Deep understanding of the aspirations, wishes, needs and
> > > > desires of
> > > > the led.*
> > > >     Without this understanding, no leader can ever hope to satisfy
> > > > these things for their followers.
> > > >
> > > > *10. Willingness to delegate responsibilities, reward success and
> > > > rectify the causes of failure.*
> > > >      By letting people undertake important tasks, rewarding them
> > > > when
> > > > they succeed and helping rectify the reasons they may have failed, a
> > > > leader builds trust. From mutual trust comes teamwork. From teamwork
> > > > comes success. Any team-building guru will tell you that, or
> > > > something
> > > > similar.
> > > >
> > > > Finally, I don't remember where this comes from, but I remember a
> > > > definition of "Leadership":
> > > >
> > > > _*"The ability to make others willingly do what they otherwise do
> > > > not
> > > > want to do."*_
> > > >
> > > > Have a pleasant Sunday all.
> > > >
> > > > Shane
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mr. Shane Wall
> > > > Principal,
> > > >
> > > > Trans Lingual Express
> > > > 120/14 Mai Thi Luu St,
> > > > P. Dakao, Q.1, HCMC,
> > > > Vietnam
> > > >
> > > > Mail: shane.wall at translingualexpress.com
> > > > Web: www.translingualexpress.com
> > > >
> > > > Mbl: +84 (090) 9484 753 (Anh) - Tel: +84 (8) 820 9143 (Viet)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Craig Stevenson wrote:
> > > > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > To answer the original question, traits of the (one) leader I have
> > > > in
> > > > > mind:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >    1. great concern for his followers
> > > > >    2. willing to make the hard decisions
> > > > >    3. open, communicative, and energetic
> > > > >    4. includes the concerns/needs of others in his/her
> > > > decision-making
> > > > >       process
> > > > >    5. Inspiring
> > > > >    6. dedicated
> > > > >    7. honest
> > > > >    8. hard-working
> > > > >    9. serves as a role model
> > > > >
> > > > > I listed these as they came to mind, not sure how to prioritize
> > > > them
> > > > > or if I should, perhaps they are prioritized.  Perhaps they are
> > > > > intertwined and couldn't be separated fully, either to answer the
> > > > > question, or for the purposes of scientific study.
> > > > >
> > > > > Craig
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/14/07, *AD Marshall* < admarshall at gmail.com
> > > > > <mailto:admarshall at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >     [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >     Thien oi,
> > > > >
> > > > >     Your comments on group (or "community"?) development and
> > > > >     maintenance (BeLow) are indeed intriguing, to say the least,
> > > > >     especially your concluding comment that, "I [ie, you] must be
> > > > the
> > > > >     one who takes the final decision".
> > > > >
> > > > >     Thanks indeed for yet again dispelling any notion i might have
> > > > >     again entertained that living here might be becoming
> > > > monotonous or
> > > > >     even predictable.
> > > > >
> > > > >     Admittedly i must wonder if i'm witnessing or experiencing
> > > > some
> > > > >     sort of communications disconnect or not.  But assuming "not",
> > > > i
> > > > >     would then wonder at what sorts of correlations might be found
> > > >
> > > > >     between your comments and the incessant lament i've heard from
> > > > >     people here who source Vietnamese software programmers for
> > > > >     overseas work, ie, that Vietnamese programmers are remarkably
> > > > >     team-work challenged.
> > > > >
> > > > >     With warm wishes,
> > > > >     AD Marshall
> > > > >
> > > > >     On 7/15/07, *Tran Ba Thien* < tranbathien at gmail.com
> > > > >     <mailto:tranbathien at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >         [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >         Dear anh Hoanh and CACC,
> > > > >
> > > > >         First I am not very cynical on against the current social
> > > > >         system of Vietnam.I feel ok with this circumstance and
> > > > >         condition. It meets my needs and my values of democracy
> > > > and
> > > > >         values of development. No, I never agree the system
> > > > totally.
> > > > >         but I encounter not many problems to complain.
> > > > >
> > > > >         In the role of a leader, what do I need to do for me and
> > > > for
> > > > >         my members? It's very interesting question.
> > > > >
> > > > >         -First I need to achieve the goal of my group as effective
> > > > as
> > > > >         possible.
> > > > >         -Then I need to set up friendship environment in our
> > > > group. I
> > > > >         may name the activity as building up group culture. I need
> > > > to
> > > > >         respect my member's idea, their values and their hopes. I
> > > > need
> > > > >         to litsen to them and protect their reputation their
> > > > interests.
> > > > >
> > > > >         -Every member and I need to understand that the success of
> > > > our
> > > > >         group is from all not from some specific persons.
> > > > >         -The group must give opportunities of developing to every
> > > > >         member in equally and fairly.
> > > > >
> > > > >         I must be the one who takes the final decision
> > > > >
> > > > >         If I cannot apply one of the above indicators, I must
> > > > resign.
> > > > >
> > > > >         best regards,
> > > > >         Tran Ba Thien
> > > > >         tranbathien at gmail.com
> > > > >         <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >             ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >             *From:* Tran Dinh Hoanh
> > > > >             <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tdhoanh at gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >             *To:* vnbiz at vietlinks.net
> > > > >             <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=vnbiz at vietlinks.net
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >             *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:45 AM
> > > > >             *Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you
> > > > looking
> > > > >             for in your leader?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >             [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >             Dear brother Thien & CACC,
> > > > >
> > > > >             Thanks for the frank and emotional response, anh
> > > > Thien.
> > > > >             And thanks for your frankness and courage.  Frankness
> > > > and
> > > > >             courage are very rare commodity anywhere in the world.
> > > > >
> > > > >             Of course, I understand exactly what you are talking
> > > > >             about. If there is any consolation, I have never been
> > > > able
> > > > >             to choose anyone I really like either.  When I was in
> > > > >             Vietnam, of course, we had no choice.  In the US, I
> > > > often
> > > > >             did the task of choosing the least bad guy among the
> > > > bad
> > > > >             guys.  Hard to find good leaders.  That is just the
> > > > nature
> > > > >             of life.
> > > > >
> > > > >             The issues you raise are not simple matters.  As you
> > > > say,
> > > > >             we cannot give the 3-yr-old kid the 7-yr-old-kid
> > > > >             clothing.  Democracy is a process, in which economic
> > > > and
> > > > >             social development as well as the human relationship
> > > > among
> > > > >             the citizens play a major role.  Indeed, I think
> > > > democracy
> > > > >             is not a destination, but a journey.
> > > > >
> > > > >             These all are matters close to my heart.  But we will
> > > > >             develop this thread about democracy, choosing leaders
> > > > and
> > > > >             citizen responsibilities in the future, so that we
> > > > don't
> > > > >             confuse our current discussion:  What is your own idea
> > > > of
> > > > >             leadership?
> > > > >
> > > > >             So brother Thien, assuming that you don't really care
> > > > >             about other leaders because you have no right to
> > > > really
> > > > >             choose the leaders you like and everything is imposed
> > > > from
> > > > >             above, I agree with you absolutely and I am
> > > > sympathetic
> > > > >             with you.  So let me switch the angle a little and ask
> > > > you
> > > > >             this question:  You must be the leader of someone, be
> > > > that
> > > > >             your younger brother or sister, your children, your
> > > > >             students, or someone you have been mentoring.  In
> > > > >             such capacity as that person's leader, what do you
> > > > think
> > > > >             you need in order to to fulfill your job?
> > > > >
> > > > >             I don't care about other guys.  I care about
> > > > you.  What
> > > > >             your idea of leadership is?  What do you demand of
> > > > >             yourself as a leader of someone?
> > > > >
> > > > >             Have a great day!
> > > > >
> > > > >             Hoanh
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >             On 7/13/07, *Tran Ba Thien* < tranbathien at gmail.com
> > > > >             <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com
> > > > >>
> > > > >             wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >                 [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >                 Dear anh Hoanh,
> > > > >
> > > > >                 for the question of yours, I tell you my truth.
> > > > That's
> > > > >                 what I really performed in every election in
> > > > Vietnam.
> > > > >
> > > > >                 I have no choice, nothing at all. My family
> > > > members
> > > > >                 and I used to meet together then asked who might
> > > > have
> > > > >                 time to go voting. Then we selected someone. The
> > > > >                 person would take our voter card to go to the
> > > > voting
> > > > >                 place. The person would have no choice at all.
> > > > He/she
> > > > >                 deleted some candidates accidentally then voted.
> > > > >
> > > > >                 It's not my joke story. But It's my real.
> > > > Sometime, I
> > > > >                 don't care the percentage of who have real choice
> > > > and
> > > > >                 who have no choice in election. A few months ago,
> > > > in
> > > > >                 the voting day for congress election, my friend
> > > > was
> > > > >                 very busy. No one of his family could go voting.
> > > > then
> > > > >                 his "to truong dan pho" came and asked his family
> > > > gave
> > > > >                 him their voter cards. He did voting for them.
> > > > >
> > > > >                 Sorry for this story. I just want to tell you the
> > > > truth.
> > > > >
> > > > >                 In my real life, I really don't have opportunity
> > > > to
> > > > >                 choose and to vote my leader. The position is set
> > > > up
> > > > >                 from above. But if you want to know my knowledge
> > > > about
> > > > >                 how to choose my leaders, I can tell you many
> > > > things.
> > > > >                 All of them come from my theory, my dream and
> > > > nothing
> > > > >                 from my real. You might be surprised. I can
> > > > understand
> > > > >                 your reaction. For me, my choice is not to select
> > > > how
> > > > >                 to perform my democracy but what I can gain from
> > > > this
> > > > >                 type of democracy. I feel ok. This type of society
> > > > can
> > > > >                 give me enough opportunity to get paid, to get
> > > > food
> > > > >                 and that's all.
> > > > >
> > > > >                 In the future I may change it. Yes, it's very
> > > > simple.
> > > > >                 When the boy is 3 year you just give him 3-year
> > > > >                 clothes. When he is 10 you need to give him
> > > > 10-year
> > > > >                 clothes. You don't need to give 3-year boy a
> > > > 10-year
> > > > >                 clothes because it cannot meet his needs. Then the
> > > >
> > > > >                 type of democracy is the same. I think we have
> > > > talked
> > > > >                 about definition of democracy many times. In this
> > > > >                 issues, I don't want to talk about democracy but
> > > > >                 leadership. I have no choice in electing. Then I
> > > > >                 cannot give you a correct answer. I am very
> > > > serious. I
> > > > >                 understand my answer doesn't meet your question
> > > > >                 correctly. But according to your words, I try to
> > > > give
> > > > >                 my best.
> > > > >
> > > > >                 best regards,
> > > > >                 Tran Ba Thien
> > > > >                 tranbathien at gmail.com
> > > > >                 <https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=tranbathien at gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >                     --
> > > > >                     Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> > > > >                     Washington DC
> > > > >
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> > >
> > > Form is not different from Void, Void is not different from Form
> > > Form is Void, Void is Form
> > >         (The Great-Wisdom-Beyond-Wisdom Heart Sutra)
> > >
> > > Sa('c ba^'t di. Kho^ng, Kho^ng ba^'t di. Sa('c
> > > Sa('c tu+'c thi. Kho^ng, Kho^ng tu+'c thi. Sa('c
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-- 
Tea (Tuy-Phuong) LeTran

Form is not different from Void, Void is not different from Form
Form is Void, Void is Form
        (The Great-Wisdom-Beyond-Wisdom Heart Sutra)

Sa('c ba^'t di. Kho^ng, Kho^ng ba^'t di. Sa('c
Sa('c tu+'c thi. Kho^ng, Kho^ng tu+'c thi. Sa('c
        ( Ba't Nha~ Ta^m Kinh )
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From duyennv at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 00:08:58 2007
From: duyennv at gmail.com (Duyen Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:08:58 +0700
Subject: [Vnbiz] [VNPH Family] Hanoi must make choices
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Dear a Hong Phong and CACC,

I discuss the issue among my friends and generally I hear people say that
Vietnam Env Protection Agency is less powerful than Chinese SEPA. However, I
found interesting article on Thoi bao Kinh te Saigon 12.7.2007. Interesting
to see how Vietnam start working on environment. Enjoy reading (in
Vietnamese language only)


*Ph?i bi?t t? ch?i*

 S? ki?n t?nh Ninh B?nh c??ng quy?t ??i di d?i Nh? m?y Nhi?t ?i?n Ninh B?nh
2, ?ang chu?n b? ???c x?y d?ng, ra kh?i khu v?c n?i th?nh c?n ch?a k?p l?ng,
th? nay ??n l??t th?nh ph? H?i Ph?ng t? ch?i d? ?n s?n xu?t ph?n ??m t?
nguy?n li?u than, v?i c?ng m?t l? do l? d? ?n s? t?c ??ng x?u ??n m?i
tr??ng. Tr??c ??, l?nh ??o t?nh Qu?ng Nam c?ng tuy?n b? kh?ng mu?n thu h?t
th?m c?c d? ?n c? nguy c? h?y ho?i m?i tr??ng cao nh? luy?n th?p, nhi?t ?i?n
ch?y than...

Vi?c ng?y c?ng nhi?u ??a ph??ng n?i kh?ng v?i c?c d? ?n c?ng nghi?p nh?y c?m
v? m?i tr??ng cho th?y, ?? ??n l?c Vi?t Nam kh?ng th? hy sinh m?i tr??ng
s?ng ?? ch?y theo t?c ?? ph?t tri?n kinh t?, d? d?ng cho du nh?p c?c lo?i
c?ng ngh? r? ti?n nh?ng c? s?c t?n ph? m?i tr??ng cao, ho?c ch?p thu?n c?c
d? ?n m? hi?u qu? c?a n? ??i v?i n?n kinh t? kh?ng t??ng x?ng v?i m?c ti?u
hao n?ng l??ng.



Tr? l?i d? ?n s?n xu?t ph?n ??m t? than ??, l? do ch?nh ?? H?i Ph?ng t? ch?i
l? c?ng ngh? l?c h?u, s? d?ng l?ng ph? t?i nguy?n, ngu?n n??c v? t?o ra ch?t
th?i x? than r?t l?n, ti?m ?n nguy c? g?y ? nhi?m m?i tr??ng nghi?m tr?ng.
L? ra, v?i c?ng ngh? nh? v?y, d? ?n ?? ph?i b? "th?i c?i" tr??c khi chuy?n
v? tham kh?o ? ki?n ??a ph??ng. ??y c?ng l? t?nh tr?ng chung c?a nhi?u nh?
m?y nhi?t ?i?n ch?y than ?? v? ?ang chu?n b? x?y d?ng. H?u h?t c?c d? ?n n?y
??u ???c ??u t? c?ng ngh? c?, tuy su?t ??u t? ban ??u th?p nh?ng c? m?c ti?u
th? than cao, th?i ra m?i tr??ng nhi?u kh? th?i, tro b?i v? l??ng x? than
l?n. Lo?i c?ng ngh? t?ng s?i c? hi?u su?t n?ng l??ng cao v? ?t ? nhi?m m?i
tr??ng h?n th? kh?ng m?y ai quan t?m.



Vi?t Nam l? n?n kinh t? ti?u th? nhi?u n?ng l??ng. M?i ??y, trong cu?c h?p
th??ng k? c?a Ch?nh ph?, Th? t??ng Nguy?n T?n D?ng nh?n m?nh n?u t? nay ??n
2010, c?ng su?t ph?t ?i?n c?a Vi?t Nam kh?ng t?ng ???c g?p ??i th? kh? n?i
??n vi?c ph?t tri?n kinh t?. Trong t??ng lai Vi?t Nam s? ph?i d?a nhi?u v?o
ngu?n nhi?t ?i?n ch?y than. Hi?n m?t lo?t d? ?n ?i?n than l?n, c?ng su?t g?p
4-8 l?n Nh? m?y ?i?n Ninh B?nh 2 ?ang chu?n b? ???c tri?n khai. L? ???ng
nhi?n, l??ng x? than th?i ra m?i tr??ng h?ng n?m c?a c?c nh? m?y n?y c?ng s?
g?p 4 - 8 l?n m?c m?t tri?u t?n c?a nh? m?y Ninh B?nh 2.



Do nhu c?u ph?t tri?n c?a n?n kinh t?, Vi?t Nam kh?ng th? ng?ng x?y d?ng c?c
nh? m?y ?i?n ch?y b?ng than. ? nhi?m m?i tr??ng l? c?i gi? kh?ng th? tr?nh
kh?i trong qu? tr?nh ph?t tri?n, nh?ng v?n ?? l? l?m sao ?? gi?m thi?t h?i.
Ngo?i vi?c ch?n c?ng ngh? m?i, gi?i ph?p t?t nh?t l? n?ng cao hi?u qu? s?
d?ng n?ng l??ng, gi?m b?t s? l? thu?c v?o ngu?n nhi?t ?i?n ch?y than. Mu?n
v?y, Ch?nh ph? c?n m?nh d?n t? ch?i c?c d? ?n c? m?c ti?u th? n?ng l??ng v?
ph?t th?i qu? l?n so v?i hi?u qu? mang l?i cho n?n kinh t?. Ba d? ?n ?i?n
ph?n nh?m c?a t?p ?o?n C?ng nghi?p Than - Kho?ng s?n l? m?t v? d? ?i?n h?nh.
V?i c?ng su?t giai ?o?n ??u l? 700.000 t?n nh?m/n?m, h?ng n?m ba nh? m?y n?y
c? th? ti?u th? l??ng ?i?n n?ng t??ng ???ng v?i s?n l??ng ?i?n c?a s?u Nh?
m?y ?i?n Ninh B?nh 2 c?ng l?i.


On 7/19/07, Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov <Hong-Phong_Pho at ita.doc.gov> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
>
> The World Bank's report attached provides a comprehensive conceptual frame
> work for all the choices Vietnam must make, including environmental
> preservation.  HPP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   *"Tran Dinh Hoanh" <tdhoanh at gmail.com>*
> Sent by: vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com
>
> 07/18/2007 12:15 PM   Please respond to
> vnbiz at vietlinks.net
>
>    To
> vnbiz at vietlinks.net  cc
> vnph at vietlinks.net  Subject
> Re: [Vnbiz] [VNPH Family] Hanoi must make choices
>
>
>
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
> Dear brother Duyen & CACC,
>
> Thank you for sending the article on China's environment efforts.  I
> wonder if we have somewhere an article or a short summary of Vietnam's
> environment efforts to date.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Hoanh
>
>
> On 7/15/07, *Duyen Nguyen* <*duyennv at gmail.com* <duyennv at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> Dear A Hoanh and CACC,
>
> Thanks brother Hoanh for your pro-environment development analysis. I just
> come accross an article in recent *Far Eastern Economic Review*, regarding
> how China dealing with this. I hope that you can see similarity between
> China and Vietnam.
>
> Give me 2 cents for typing on very hot weekend in Hanoi as I could not
> access FEER online.
>
> Have a great week ahead.
> Cheers
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
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-- 
With best regards

Nguyen Van Duyen
Master of Environment Law (Sydney)
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From vandavietnam at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 19 04:33:48 2007
From: vandavietnam at yahoo.com (Nguyen Van Da)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 04:33:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vnbiz] Toi can mua mo hinh MB
Message-ID: <139098.35550.qm@web50310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Chao anh 
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-xin anh ho tro tin tuc >Mua o dau va gia ca
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From hnguyen97 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 08:13:25 2007
From: hnguyen97 at gmail.com (Hien Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:13:25 -0400
Subject: [Vnbiz] Leadership -- What are you looking for in your leader?
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Dear CACE,

It's entertaining to see how social theories can be condensed into one or
two sentences. Thanks anh Hoanh.

I'd like to volunteer three core element