[Vnbiz] Tet and unbelievable shocking facts

Sun Feb 25 09:20:01 PST 2007

Character is destiny.  The character of the Viet nation does not earn much
respect yet, largely due to a lack of character from the country's leaders.
There are many factors, the disqualifications, the extreme lack of education
of past and current leaders is one.   Couple that with uncontrolled power,
you can see where the future leads.  Another reason is those who cared
enough and dared to take on these challenges, have been effectively
silenced, in one way or another.

Personally, I don't feel that news story any surprise at all.  Born and grew
up in VN, and returned to VN lately, I think it's a matter of time until the
public realize the deterioration of morality in VN, it's from the top down,
and across generations.  Especially, among my generation of youth.  I don't
feel the need to condemn the youth generation of VN, because it's not really
their fault.  Nor do I feel the need to defend them, because they deserve to
be put on public scrutiny, to raise the level of public awareness.  This
alone will not change anything, but it's the start.  Tuoi Tre should be
given much credit for what they're trying to do, in their position.

"Phu quy sanh le nghia"?  Somone once said in this forum as if it's a
statement of truth.  Even if it's just an observation of Vietnamese society
in the past, or of human nature in general, it can only suggest that as VN
achieve more economic development, the people will be more educated and
learn to treat others better, but it is an assumption from those who are not
living in such miserable life, esp. the live of the poor victims.  It cannot
justify the compromise of social justice, of honor or character for the sake
of economic devevlopment.  "Le nghia" nao ma co the danh doi duoc danh du,
le phai va cong bang xa hoi?  "Le nghia" suy cho cung, chi la tren hinh
thuc.  Gia tri song chan chinh van dua vao tu cach va danh du cua moi ca
nhan, moi cong dan.  No xuat phat tu ben trong tam hon ma ra.  Con cai "le
nghia" ma xay dung tren "su phu quy", do co phai la gia tri chan chinh hay
khong?  Hay la "le nghia" cua mot the he moi, mot loi song benh hoan theo
cai kieu "truong gia hoc lam sang"?  That's not our culture.  That's not in
our history.  IN fact, our history is full of stories of individuals who
developed strong character (and thus, good moral, political leaders) during
their days of struggle.  "Doi cho sach, rach cho thom" still seem to be the
lession to teach to the young in this age of economic development.

 Khi xa hoi tran day cach cu xu ich ki, thieu van minh, cha dap len nhau ma
song nhu the, thi dat nuoc do tu danh mat di cai tu cach cao quy cua no, va
su kinh trong cua cong dong quoc te.

We should feel the shame.  But we shall not whine or condemn, but recognize
and analyze the problem.  Support those who stand and fight for the values
that you feel are at stake.  Economic development of VN is a given, it's
simply a natural path for any nation that's been behind and in darkness for
so long.  But while many are investing their time and effort for such
crucial and important tasks, including those who advocate for that path as
the only solution to  VN's today problems, I feel that  the fate of the Viet
nation still pretty much depends on those few who dare the path not taken.
Support them if you can.

Shandon

On 2/25/07, Dao Xuan Lam - Branch Manager (G-mail) <daoxuanlam at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>  Dear brothers and sisters,
>
> I agree with brothers Hoanh and Tram's ideas generally. I understand that
> if I point one of my fingers at my staff when he/she made a mistake, for
> instant, then four other fingers of mine point back myself. The organising
> committee / organisers and or the related bodies of the event should be
> blamed, etc, it is no questioning.
>
> But the problem(s) firstly initiated from the people's thinking,
> behaviours, and sense toward the community. Just take a quick look at the
> "happy/satisfied faces" of those persons while they were doing such wrong
> things, I can't stand them.
>
>  Many expats keep asking me re. the worst thing in Viet Nam - the traffic
> and I repeatedly explained that the streets/ roads in other countries are
> not so wider compared to the ones in Viet Nam but every one travel/move on
> the right lanes/ tracks, on the contrary, in Viet Nam so many people
> travel/move on whatever lanes/tracks that they want to. And my answer is the
> first and foremost thing need to be done is to get the people's thinking
> attitude changed and secondly is the combination of traffic facilities/
> infrastructures and traffic control /enforcement & management.
>
> I assume that you will agree with me that if the little children steal
> small thing(s) and if not well educated  and or no proper measures taken
> then they gradually steal the big/huge ones, one day.
>
> Just a quick note to share with you all.
>
> Bye for now and good nite.
>
> Dao Xuan Lam
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com>
> *To:* vnbiz at vietlinks.net
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:35 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Tet and unbelievable shocking facts
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> Dear CACC,
>
> If you go to a concert and the concert participants have all kinds of
> disorderly conduct like drinking, trashing, fighting, who are you going to
> blame?  The disorderly people?  Yes, of course.  But wouldn't
> you immediately point the finger at the concert organizer?  The organizer
> has a legal duty to make sure that things are safe for concert goers.
>
> Shouldn't the HCMC government, organization agencies for the Test
> festival, and the HCMC police be responsible for all the crazy things that
> amount to outright stealing and robberies as mentioned by the article.
> Obviously this kind of conduct is not new, it has been repeated year after
> year, according to the article and readers' comments.
>
> Why does the press not say anything about the folks in charge of the
> festival, i.e., the HCMC government and the HCMC police, instead of
> whining about some participants' lousy behavior.  Yes, their behavior is bad
> and should be prosecuted, but if the government doesn't know how manage a
> festival, such behavior will happen anywhere in the world.   I can see the
> potential for that right here in Washington DC, not just in HCMC.
>
> There are two big governance issues here:
>
> 1.  The incompetence of city government to conduct a festival that
> relatively free of criminal behavior (stealing and robbing are crimes) (I
> say "relative" because there are always some criminal activities here and
> there) .
>
> 2.  The habit of the press to not see the government's responsibility and
> to blame the entire population for bad things.   So, generally in many
> issues, the blame is that the people is immature and bad, not that the
> government's incompetence and irresponsibility are the cause for the people'
> immaturity.  Does this sound familiar?  The government and the Party don't
> do wrong things, only the stupid People does!
>
> Can we try to get out of this oppressive/subvervient mode of thinking and
> start to think and act like a modern nation?
>
> If any government official says, "We can't control such a huge crowd,"  I
> would respond, "Then why don't you resign so that we can find the people who
> can do that to take over the job?"
>
> Come on, brothers and sisters!  We have to be serious about governance.
> Don't sit there and whine at the people.  Demand that government officials
> either do a good job or resign.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Hoanh
> ___________
>
>
> On 2/24/07, Tram Dang <tdang2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> >
> >
> >
> > True that these acts are nothing to take delight in, but to wave one's
> > finger at the entire youth population in HCMC based on these isolated
> > incidents is a little unfair, (I think).
> > Not that I'm defending these acts, but I think people tend to do stupid
> > things that they normally don't at fiestive get-togethers.  Cinco de mayo
> > and new years eve riots are not that uncommon.  If I remember correctly,
> > there was one in seattle a few years ago.
> >
> > -Tram
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/23/07, Dao Xuan Lam - Branch Manager <daoxuanlam at gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> > > [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  Dear all,
> > >
> > > Whoever reads the content and or sees the photographs in this article
> > > shall feel shame & shock, and if not ashamed at such terrible actions of the
> > > local people especially the youths in Vietnam in general and in HCMC
> > > particularly nowadays!
> > >
> > > How can we can address those people? Since they have not got any sense
> > > of shame at all and they loose all sense of shame! And finally they loose
> > > everything ranging from their behaviours, conduct,..to the Vietnam country'
> > > s face! For my part, nothing else I can say abut it.
> > >
> > > Dao Xuan Lam
> > >
> > --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Attorney of Law
> Washington DC
>
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