[Vnbiz] Coach Riedl resigns

Sat Dec 15 11:58:05 PST 2007

Dear Brotehr Quanh Anh & CACC,

Thanks for the note, bro. Quang Anh.  Of course, the disappointment of the
fans and of the entire country is understandable.  But I am still bothered
greatly by the treatment toward coach Riedl, simple because it is
unVietnamese.

The sacking of the England coach was a very sick British practice.  I hope
we Vietnamese will know what is bad from a foreign country to avoid, and
what is good to learn.  This is my major concern.  I can see that many
developing countries, including Vietnam, want to learn from the West but
have no clue on what is good and what is bad.  So they end up learning a lot
of garbage in the process.  As an example, look at www.vnexpress.net in the
Van Hoa (culture section).  It contains mostly of juvenile gossiping pieces
about foreign rock stars and movie stars, as if the culture of the world is
just a bunch of dumb things movie and music people do.

Unfortunatly, this "learning" attitude is true from religion, to culture, to
law, to economics, to politics.  Many good political and economic practices
from the West become so corrupted when they are imported to the East,
because the importers only know the bad parts to import.  In any field,
there are good practices and bad practices.  We really have to learn to
distinguish the bad from the good.

I am not saying that we should go on keeping an incompetent coach (or any
professional).  I am saying that a person who has led the team to victory
many times deserve gratitude, especially in the one time his team fails.
And we can't just simply copy unwise foreign practices to prove that we
Vietnam can act like "advanced" Westerners.

Just so that we can really about this issue, let's try to look at the issue
from another angle:  If the lead coach is not a foreigner like Reidl, but a
Vietnamese like Mai Duc Chung, would he be requested to resign right after a
loss?  Or would many people rush to his defense instead?

Can we be honest to ourselves?

Have a great day!

Hoanh

PS:  BTW, events in Vietnam's sports world over the years raise serious
questions about the ethics of Vietnam's sports authorities.
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On Dec 14, 2007 4:00 AM, <QuangAnh.Nguyen at dfat.gov.au> wrote:

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> Dear anh Shandon
>
> I totally agree with you about unprofessional or "excessive" behaviour of
> the fans and the officials. But please noted what have just happened with
> England team? And its coach? Recently, what just happened with coaches of
> Chelsea and Tottenham Spurs, who were admired by their pupils, but not the
> fans. They were sacked! It is appears that the coach position is more and
> more pressure and the leaving of those guys after failure has becoming
> normal. I assume football is a special game (it is called King of sport
> games, isn't it?) that received so much admiral or crazy "love" all over
> the world. As a result, football workers (including coaches and players)
> should be familiar with such pressure.
>
> This issue could open another topic. Please refer to my previous email
> regarding the poor public/community entertainment in many urban areas in
> Vietnam. Not many book readers (see the number of publications - 1000
> copies per title in average), not many public entertainment place, not
> many
> gymnastic venues/swimming pools or other kind of playing fields, etc. It
> is
> understandable that watching football (and attaching games like betting on
> TV) has become the most popular favourite of a majority group of people.
> Through daily engagement with a favourite, I believe that would create a
> kind of "love". Let's think about the guy who offered giving Rield a
> kidney, how could he do that without a big love to the national team and
> therefore, to its coach?
>
> All the best
>
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> >> Anh Quang said: When people receive love, they should live up with
> that love. It is not a writing rule, but that's a common sense of
> people, I believe.
>
> If you call that "love," I think that's a very immature expression of
> "love" on the part of Vietnamese fans and sports officials.  Reading
> the news before, during and after the game, all I see is a sense of
> almost fanatical attitude of many fans, with the Vietnamese media
> playing a big part in hyping it up.  How about sportmanship, honor,
> respect, I would deem these qualities to be the standards to measure
> Vietnam's progress.  I read many articles predicting how Vietnam will
> kick the Burmese azz adn others worrrying about losing, but I haven't
> seen any article or a single word from the pundits about sportmanship.
>  I think for our big population, Vietnam can produce many qualified
> competitors but we also need a lot of time to grow.
>
> Sometimes, I wonder whether the fans' "crazy, fanatical expression of
> love" for soccer or any other sport is just an indirect consequence of
> the lack of freedom to express themselves in other aspects of life.
>
> It is one thing that we have many from the audience acting so
> disrespectful toward a coach that took their team to unprecedent level
> of success, it is another thing when none of the officials or public
> commentators say anything about this very negative behavior.  True
> that the coach got paid the most out of all foreign coaches as anh
> Quang pointed out, but isn't it true that he also has done a lot for
> Vietnam.  A dream of a gold medal in soccer is a dream for every Asian
> country but how you fight the fight earns the international respect
> for the team and for Vietnam in the eyes of our Asian neighbors.  And
> how the competitors carry themselves, whether they win or lose,
> matters.
>
> Unfairness is sometime a fact of life.  But it shows a serious lack of
> sportmanship and maturity when the audience shouted to the coach with
> disrespectful words, or the sports authority forced the coach to
> resign within a matter of hours after Vietnam's loss, or when the
> free-style fighter running from the fighting ring, crying because he
> felt the referee was unfair, and then, decided to jump-kick the
> referee to revenge.  This sudden change of attitute and extreme
> behavior were totally immature and should be discouraged.
>
> THe reality is that Vietnamese competitors have not learned to handle
> themselves very well on the international stage, in front of the eyes
> of the world.  We walked away with a lot of medals, but how about a
> single class act that shows the true spirit of sports, or of the Viet
> people?
>
> "Lanh dao khong co sang suot trong chinh sach va cung cach ung xu, van
> dong vien thi thieu chuan bi, thieu tinh than the thao va khong tu chu
> duoc chinh minh, va co dong vien thi qua khich va hao thang."
>
> THere is a lot to think about anh Hoanh's message below.
>
> Shandon
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> From: "Tran Dinh Hoanh" <tdhoanh at gmail.com>
> To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:04:32 -0500
> Subject: [Vnbiz] Coach Riedl resigns
>
> Dear CACC,
>
> Immediately after Vietnam the lost to Myanmar at the SEA Games soccer
> match, coach Riedl of the Viet U23 team was pressured to resign and
> has just resigned today.  I must say, that is a very grateful attitude
> from both the soccer fans and soccer authorities to a coach!  I have
> not known that the Vietnamese can turn their back on someone so fast.
>
> Fine, if people want to be so demanding and ungrateful about it.  But
> this is soccer, guys.  It is just a game.  Why no one is even 1/10
> serious when it comes to more important things, like the government.
> When government officials do all kinds of unethical and questionable
> conduct, no one seems to care about demanding an immediate
> resignation, or even some kind of sanction.
>
> Isn't that something!
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Hoanh
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Tran Dinh Hoanh, Esq., LLB, JD
Washington DC
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