[Vnbiz] Ngoai Hinh Can Doi (Proportionate Body)

[Tran Ba Thien]

Dear brother Hoanh,

totally agree, I like this explanation of yours. thanx a lot


Tran Ba Thien
tranbathien at gmail.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tran Dinh Hoanh 
  To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net 
  Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:49 PM
  Subject: [Vnbiz] Ngoai Hinh Can Doi (Proportionate Body)


  [ Vietnam Business Forum ]




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  Dear Brother Thien & CACC,

  Thanks for the interesting point, brother Thien.  I have changed the subject title to Proportionate Body to focus on this phrase.

  I think brother Thien is playing Devil's Advocate, because you intentionally raised an argument usually raised by obnoxious employers.  Sorry, in my line of thinking and attitude, Ngoai Hinh Can Doi  (Proportionate Body) is the phrase only fit for a slave master who is buying female slaves or a ma'  mi` looking for prostitutes.  I cannot see any justification for any employer to say that.  IN the US, if an employer says he want employees if Proportionate Body chances are he go bankrupt the next day, because no man or woman in their right mind would work for a person like that. 

  Even if the employer is in the fashion business, he can say his employees have to be "presentable" (lich su).  That is enough to make his point and everyone would understand exactly what he wants.

  But we may talk in theory here.  The fact is the term NGoai Hinh Can doi and "Chan Dai" (long legs) is used as a fact in Vietnam for employers to focus on the body of the women they hire, including women for the job that need brain and not the body.  This shows how far behind the men of Vietnam is in their thinking and attitude. 

  So brother Thien is right that there are job that need people who look presentable.  Actually any job require people who look presentable.  What is presentable varies with circumstances, and we all generally have an idea what they are.  But "Proportionate body"?  Common guys, that is simply so sexist and chauvinistic beyond my comprehension. 

  Have a great day, brother Thien and all.

  Hoanh

   
  On 4/19/07, Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com> wrote: 
    [ Vietnam Business Forum ]

     

     
    Dear brother Hoanh,

    I totally agree your points of talent and business. but I want to focus on your example of "ngoai hinh can doi" a little bit.

    generally, we need to define the concept of fair and concept of equality. When I pay $50 for a shirt, I must receive it. Then you pay $100, you must receive 2. It's fair. Then it's unfair if I ask shopkeeper to give me 2 shirt. but the shopkeeper need to treat you and me with the same service even you pay more than me. It's equal. 

    In some particular business, for example in  a fashion shop, the boss of the shop can employ shopkeeper with ngoai hinh can doi instead of not "can doi". The boss might afraid that his customers wouldn't want to visit his shop because his shopkeeper is not very beautiful. The boss cannot give his business into the hand of someone that he cannot believe. the shop is his property, his life and etc. We cannot say that his treatment for the case is unequality.We need to interprete his excuse as difference in business. 

    when he employ beautiful shopkeeper, he needs to pay more than not very beautiful person. the decision of employment comes from his customers. they love to see beautiful shopkeeper. When he meets their need, his business can work well. Compare to the other business such as in making clothe factory. customers of the factory don't need to see who makes their clotes. If the director of the factory refuse someone by their appearance, it's unequal. but the boss of the clothe showroom can refuse not very beautiful shopkeepers. it's fair. 

    When boss can prove that his business need beauty, he can select beautiful workers. We should distinguish unequality in business with difference in business.

    Best luck,
    Tran Ba Thien
    tranbathien at gmail.com
      -- 
      Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
      Attorney of Law
      Washington DC 


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