[Vnbiz] Ngoai Hinh Can Doi (Proportionate Body)

[Tran Dinh Hoanh]

Dear Brother Thien & CACC,

Thanks for the interesting point, brother Thien.  I have changed the subject
title to Proportionate Body to focus on this phrase.

I think brother Thien is playing Devil's Advocate, because you
intentionally raised an argument usually raised by obnoxious employers.
Sorry, in my line of thinking and attitude, Ngoai Hinh Can
Doi  (Proportionate Body) is the phrase only fit for a slave master who is
buying female slaves or a ma'  mi` looking for prostitutes.  I cannot see
any justification for any employer to say that.  IN the US, if an employer
says he want employees if Proportionate Body chances are he go bankrupt the
next day, because no man or woman in their right mind would work for a
person like that.

Even if the employer is in the fashion business, he can say his employees
have to be "presentable" (lich su).  That is enough to make his point and
everyone would understand exactly what he wants.

But we may talk in theory here.  The fact is the term NGoai Hinh Can doi and
"Chan Dai" (long legs) is used as a fact in Vietnam for employers to focus
on the body of the women they hire, including women for the job that need
brain and not the body.  This shows how far behind the men of Vietnam is in
their thinking and attitude.

So brother Thien is right that there are job that need people who look
presentable.  Actually any job require people who look presentable.  What is
presentable varies with circumstances, and we all generally have an idea
what they are.  But "Proportionate body"?  Common guys, that is simply so
sexist and chauvinistic beyond my comprehension.

Have a great day, brother Thien and all.

Hoanh


On 4/19/07, Tran Ba Thien <tranbathien at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
>  Dear brother Hoanh,
>
> I totally agree your points of talent and business. but I want to focus on
> your example of "ngoai hinh can doi" a little bit.
>
> generally, we need to define the concept of fair and concept of equality.
> When I pay $50 for a shirt, I must receive it. Then you pay $100, you must
> receive 2. It's fair. Then it's unfair if I ask shopkeeper to give me 2
> shirt. but the shopkeeper need to treat you and me with the same service
> even you pay more than me. It's equal.
>
> In some particular business, for example in  a fashion shop, the boss of
> the shop can employ shopkeeper with ngoai hinh can doi instead of not "can
> doi". The boss might afraid that his customers wouldn't want to visit his
> shop because his shopkeeper is not very beautiful. The boss cannot give his
> business into the hand of someone that he cannot believe. the shop is his
> property, his life and etc. We cannot say that his treatment for the case is
> unequality.We need to interprete his excuse as difference in business.
>
> when he employ beautiful shopkeeper, he needs to pay more than not very
> beautiful person. the decision of employment comes from his customers. they
> love to see beautiful shopkeeper. When he meets their need, his business can
> work well. Compare to the other business such as in making clothe factory.
> customers of the factory don't need to see who makes their clotes. If the
> director of the factory refuse someone by their appearance, it's unequal.
> but the boss of the clothe showroom can refuse not very beautiful
> shopkeepers. it's fair.
>
> When boss can prove that his business need beauty, he can select beautiful
> workers. We should distinguish unequality in business with difference in
> business.
>
> Best luck,
> Tran Ba Thien
> tranbathien at gmail.com
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Attorney of Law
> Washington DC
>
>
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