[Vnbiz] TO CHUC THI TUYEN QUAN CHUC NHA NUOC

Thu Sep 7 11:08:29 PDT 2006

Dear CACC,

I don't think the entrance examination for government official in VN will work whatsoever due to several issues:

1- Cost to manage the examination, cost to the people who is going to take the test, cost to the government to pay higher salary for the one who pass and get a job (compete with the private company), etc.
2- Favortism, corruption, fake  diplomas, etc.
3- You may be a good test taker but a lousy government employee
4- Our Vietnamese students took too many tests and what is a results of those tests. 
5- What are you going to do with millions government employees who will lost their jobs?? 

I think the idea sounds so good but impractical. There are better ways to improve the efficiency of bureaucrat (ironic isn't it):

- streamline the processing paperwork
- deligate authority to employees with fully responsible for their actions
- continue provide trainings to improve the performance
- proactive to correct mistake 
- bring in experts help (from outside) on problem 

Those from my experience as a long time Federal employee. 

Cheers,

Tai

-----Original Message-----
From: vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com
[mailto:vnbiz-bounces at mail.saigon.com]On Behalf Of Nga Tran
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:20 PM
To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net
Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] TO CHUC THI TUYEN QUAN CHUC NHA NUOC

[Vietnam Business Forum]

Dear all,

You seem do not know all. Students study under 322 can still stay after 
their study, especially here in USA since their visa status is F1, not J1. 
And I know many did and many will do like that. I do not tell something fair 
or unfair, but does it worth? And thus, do not say that they earn nothing 
when they study aboard. They have very luxury life in compare with us! They 
even can sponsor for their family come here and live on the schoolarship.

Well, nothing is perfect. It just depends on your perception. If you still 
feel satisfied with the current circumstance,well, nothing to discuss since 
we will reach nowhere.

Cheers,

NN.

nix ist unmöglich
wage zu träumen
bereit mich alles zu stellen

>From: "Dzung Nguyen" <dnguyen.lse at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net
>To: vnbiz at vietlinks.net
>Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] TO CHUC THI TUYEN QUAN CHUC NHA NUOC
>Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:31:08 +0700
>
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>[Vietnam Business Forum]
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>

>Anh Hoanh
>
>Indeed there's selection tests for most of the Gov organizations for young
>people at junior level-as far as I know- I have friends who passed officer
>selection exams at several ministries, several state-owned banks, research
>institute etc. I'm sure if one's good enough she/he will get through. It 
>may
>not be completely fair, but well, don't ask for too much fairness in this
>world. There isn't even a "fair" way to define " fairness", you know.
>
>Regarding the second recommendation of Prof Tran Van Tho, first instance, 
>we
>all tend to agree. Giving someone a huge some of Government budget as
>scholarship to do a PhD seem irrational. At first, I thought if someone's
>good enough, they should be able to receive a scholarship from the 
>Institute
>they're applying to, or some sort of NGO scholarship.
>
>But think again, I hesitate to agree with Prof Tran Van Tho. We've got to 
>be
>careful here: A PhD scholarship is equal to 3-5 years taken away from the
>prosperous career at home ( The ones who've gone to do PhD here must be the
>brilliant ones or relatives of someone in some sort- which means they are
>either very intellectual or can be the "power" class). If one doesn't have
>the capability, doesn't have some ambition or doesn't inspire to gain some
>more knowledge, is he in his right mind making such a decision: taking
>through all the hassle  to apply to the chosen Universities, then take
>exams, try to prove themselves to many people, and then finally live 
>abroad,
>earn no money for 3-5 years of their golden lifetime? From being an 
>official
>to being a university student abroad, well, it's a huge decision to make.
>
>
>Just some thoughts. Have a great day, if you're reading this :-)
>
>Dzung,
>
>
>On 9/1/06, Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>>[Vietnam Business Forum]
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>>Dear CACC,
>>
>>FYI, below is an article by Prof. Nguyen Van Tho about exams to select
>>personnel for government offices.  I'm still thinking about this proposal.
>>You let you know how I feel about it later.
>>
>>Have a great day!
>>
>>Hoanh
>>
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>>Date: Aug 31, 2006 5:37 PM
>>Subject: TO CHUC THI TUYEN QUAN CHUC NHA NUOC
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