[Vnbiz] Vietnam detains Vietnamese-born U.S. citizen

Hoang Thanh httmail at gmail.com
Wed Sep 6 11:12:33 PDT 2006 

thank you very much anh Hoanh for your explaination & also Jerica's
question,
yes,,it's wonderful if poeple, Parties,Communist Party use the understanding
of "brothers and sister" in society.  Open market already, --democracy then
multi-party will be the biggest change i would ever seen in VN, In a way
can improve the life of poeple!!!
Well, forming a new party,is now the right time! I just want to point to
Jerica's question as she ask "why..waste precious time?" It's waste time to
deal with the past, but i think it needs time to heal!
Have a good day everyone!
2006/9/6, Vu Thi Huyen Trang <glayten at yahoo.com>:
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> Dear all,
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> I  agree with Hoanh. Let bygones be begones. We, Vietnamese, even have to
> run faster to keep up with the world development. Why we waste our precious
> time just to look back ?
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> Have a nice day
> Jerica
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> *Tran Dinh Hoanh <tdhoanh at gmail.com>* wrote:
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> Dear Thanh Thanh & CACC,
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> Good point, Thanh Thanh.  I'm glad to raise it.  The issue is much more
> complex than one or two or three parties.  I have go over this issues many
> times in this forum, in one form or another.  Let me over them again here to
> help you guys a little.
>
> But before that, let me make sure everyone understand that I am discussing
> things in general.  I am NOT saying anything about this particular news
> article about this arrest of Do Thanh Cong, since I know nothing about the
> case, nothing about who Do Thanh Cong is or whatever that People's
> Democratic Party is.  (There are tons of "parties" out here and every one
> claims a mission to "save Vietnam" and save you guys and gals in Vietnam (if
> you can swallow it!).  I just don't have the time to figure them out).  For
> that reason, I will not comment on this particular case, until I hear some
> more details.
>
> Thanh Thanh is absolutely right that if there is another party you would
> be confused to choose, especially if that "party" is from outside Vietnam,
> founded by some guys in California, or Melbourne, etc.  You don't know who
> they are, what they want, what they plan to do with our country, you would
> be very confused.  My theory is that if you don't know someone well enough,
> then don't deal with him/her, be it business, or personal relationship, or
> politics, or any kind of human relationship.
>
> That is not mentioning that none the "party" out here practices democracy.
> Sister  Hai Van has said correctly last week that her family members would
> not let her speak with her northern accent in Orange county, fearing for her
> safety.  If you hold a Vietnamese official flag (red and yellow star) in
> many Vietnamese communities out herer, you have a great chance of being
> harmed.  And there will not be any party or any Vietnamese language
> newspaper out here that will come out to support your right to carry your
> flag and to condemn extremist violence.  But all them will attempt to preach
> "democracy" to you.
>
> I really don't care about anyone's background.  You can sit and have a cup
> of coffee with me, with a yellow flag, or red flag or white flag or pink
> flag on the table, and I am perfectly happy with you.  You can be
> pro-Communist, anti-Communist, pro-Catholic, anti-Catholic, pro-Muslim
> anti-Muslim, I would be perfectly happy to have coffee with you, even when I
> am in disagreement with you.  To me friendship surpasses all boundaries.
> (And I do have friends with all kinds of background.  You name a kind of
> background, chances are I have at least a friend with that background).  But
> I CANNOT swallow hypocrisy and lying.  If you talk "democracy" and act like
> the mob, I cannot swallow it.  Unfortunately, that is what happens out
> here.  I will believe that a group is pro-democracy if the group comes out
> and says: "I hate your flag, but this is the democratic US, I am defending
> your right to carry that flag."  So far, I have seen NONE.  I see violence
> and support for violence, but no true advocacy and true
> practice of democracy, at least when Vietnam issues are on the table.
>
> In addition, why should any political party out here be allowed to operate
> inside Vietnam?  Even if you have a business in the US, in order to open a
> branch in Vietnam you have to go through a lot of procedures until you get a
> license.  Political activities have to be supervised even more carefully.
> Why should Vietnam allow the US Republican Party to open an office in
> Vietnam?  Why should Vietnam allow any overseas political party to operate
> in Vietnam?   All these are issues that we as Vietnamese have to consider
> seriously.  We cannot let our country be run like a cai' cho+. bat trat tu,
> anyone just does what he wants.  Especially in the time of money politlic,
> we cannot allow outsiders to use money to interfere with our internal
> politics.  I am not advocating a big "NO."  I am advocating control and
> carefulness.  We simply cannot let anyone outside coming in and do whatever
> they want.  These issues have to be ponder over carefully.
>
> Now, let's talk about multi-party.  You will realize that I advocate
> competition in economics, in politics and in everything else, because
> competition is healthy.  Competition brings up quality and reduces cost.
> The example I always use is soccer (or football).  Many conditions have to
> be met in order for a soccer game to go well:
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> 1.  There have to have more than one team.  If there is only one group,
> the group has to spit into at least two teams.
>
> 2.  The two teams have to be friendly with each other.  They compete as
> friends, not as enemies who try to kill each other.  If the only team just
> tries to kick at legs or bodies instead of the ball, the game will have to
> stop or all war will break out in the field.
>
> 3. The two teams have to follow the rule, and no cheating. (Say, if one
> team injects itself with steroid before the game, that would not be fair
> game).
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> 4.  The two team have to compete and not collude to fix the game.
>
> These are the minimum conditions for two teams to compete successfully.
> If these conditions are not met, probably we'd be better off with one team.
>
> Among these four, the number-two condition is the most important:  The two
> teams have to be friendly with each other.  In Vietnam's political context,
> that means that the second team has to be able to compete with the VCP in a
> friendly sporty way (like the Republican and the Democrat in the US).  That
> means, the best possibility is that the second party is formed by a group of
> people inside Vietnam who CAN work with the VCP in friendly terms.  The VCP
> may even help to form that second party, in the spirit of good and healthy
> competition.
>
> Then, sister Thanh Thanh, you will know who to choose and you won't be
> confused.  But these are the matters for you guys and gals inside the
> country to work together.  I believe that things will come that way
> eventually, because I know us Vietnamese.  We are very practical and we know
> how to make things work.  And we are truly a country of brothers and
> sisters.  Nothing brothers and sisters cannot achieve together.
>
> In the meantime, let's pray that God shall open the heart and the mind of
> the folks who are still fighting the old war.  They are so behind the time
> and so destructive.  Let's move our country forward.  Let's love each
> other.  Let's erase all hatred. Then we shall have democracy, because the
> best democracy grows on love.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Hoanh
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> On 9/5/06, Hoang Thanh <httmail at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > [Vietnam Business Forum]
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> > everytime i read these kind of news on the oversea e-news, i have the
> > feeling of uncomfortable and unsure about some thing!
> > I was in Hanoi last week and i saw infront of a Government House in the
> > city center, alot of farmers gather with banroll, show frustrated faces, and
> > police dont let anyone stop over to see what is happening. Poeple around
> > said those farmers are demonstrating for  proper land compensation,
> > In Ho Chi Minh city today, i saw the same scene: Around 20,30 farmers
> > with no'n la' under the sun-heat standing/sitting patiently in front of a
> > Gov House on Dinh Tien Hoang street,near my school. Police blockade the
> > areas, and lots of poeple passing by must ask questions "What is happening?"
> > I first saw this last 2 months, because it's near my school!
> >
> > Back to this piece of news, I have been living under the Communist-ruled
> > country since i was born, I see other country have multi-party and poeple
> > have options ! Because VN is one-party, so i don't really care about
> > learning what is it like, there's no other to compare! However, if VN had
> > one more party, People's Democratic Party of Vietnam, for example (like this
> > below piece of news), i would be confused to choose, or to get used to this
> > change?!!may be.
> > Just something to share.
> > Thanh,.
> > 2006/9/5, Phan, Tai <Tai.Phan at ed.gov>:
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> > > [Vietnam Business Forum]
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> > > Vietnam detains Vietnamese-born U.S. citizen
> > > Mon Sep 4, 2006 7:42am ET
> > > International News
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> > > HANOI (Reuters) - Authorities have detained a Vietnamese-born U.S.
> > > citizen who has used the Internet to call for multi-party democracy in the
> > > one-party communist state, the man's daughter said on Monday.
> > >
> > > A U.S. embassy spokeswoman in Hanoi confirmed that the man, engineer
> > > Cong Thanh Do, 47, was in detention in Ho Chi Minh City and that he had been
> > > visited by consular officials.
> > >
> > > A Vietnam government spokesman said he had no information on the case.
> > >
> > >
> > > Word of the man's arrest came almost a week after Vietnam released
> > > cyber-dissident Pham Hong Son as part of a presidential amnesty after he had
> > > served more than four years in jail for posting essays and translations on
> > > democracy over the Internet.
> > >
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> > >
> > > The United States and European countries had campaigned for the
> > > release of Son and others considered rights activists. Hanoi has been under
> > > pressure to release activists as it prepares to join the World Trade
> > > Organization this year and host the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation forum
> > > summit in November.
> > >
> > > Do's daughter, Bien DoBui, said by telephone from the family home in
> > > San Jose, California, that her father was arrested on August 14 in Phan
> > > Thiet in the southern province of Binh Thuan and then taken to Ho Chi Minh
> > > City.
> > >
> > > "On Friday, he told a visiting American consular official that he was
> > > going on a hunger strike," DoBui, 21 said. "We did not contact anyone until
> > > he came out with his role in a political group and the reason for his arrest
> > > became more clear."
> > >
> > > However, she said Do had not been formally charged.
> > >
> > > She said Do told the consular official he was a member of the People's
> > > Democratic Party of Vietnam and that he was a peaceful supporter of
> > > multi-party democracy and freedom of speech.
> > >
> > > The embassy spokeswoman said she did not have details. "I can confirm
> > > the arrest and that we visited him as part of normal consular services".
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> > > Attorney of Law
> > > Washington DC
> >
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