[Vnbiz] Fwd: Education Reform: Gifts for Teachers

Mon Oct 16 23:27:12 PDT 2006

Dear Huy & CACC,

Anh Huy's message, FYI.
Huy, I am not sure what happens.  Let's see what Tin will say.

Hoanh

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From: Luu Nhat Huy <huy at brandconnections.net>
Date: Oct 16, 2006 11:51 PM
Subject: FW: [Vnbiz] Education Reform: Gifts for Teachers
To: tdhoanh at gmail.com

Dear anh Hoanh,
 Pls fw my message to the list. I got the following error:

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Thanks and regards,
Luu Nhat Huy

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*From:* Luu Nhat Huy [mailto:huy at brandconnections.net]
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:38 AM
*To:* 'vnbiz at vietlinks.net'
*Subject:* RE: [Vnbiz] Education Reform: Gifts for Teachers

 Dear CACC,

Sorry for not reading thoroughly from the beginning of discussion thread,
but things would be easier in my case.

I'm currently teaching at VATC for Non-distance study program which provides
diploma in biz, travel and office admin. My students sometimes gave me
gifts, which is small and sweet, such as a tie when (after) they passed the
exam and events like Trung Thu (Mid-Autumn festival). I do believe that
those gifts were given from heart, since I have no grade or mark to give
them. Cambrige University will provide exam questions and evaluate the
results. The teacher will be assessed by his students feedback to the school
as well as final students' testing result. Another important point here is
that I have been paid well from that institution.

In my opinion, the following three factors would bring more effective
education enviroment:
1. *The teacher* need to be trained - including real working experience if
you are teaching in biz admin - to teach well
2. *Evaluation* would better be designed to another party.
3. *Exam questions* must be designed well to make use of students ideas.
4. *Compensation* to the teacher should be designed to cover their life.

Is it expensive to apply this model to elementary or high school in VN? Of
course 4. is expensive (but fair), however, we can do 2. and 3. in advance.
For 1. let's retrain current teachers on new teaching method and ethics.

Regards,
Luu Nhat Huy

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*From:* Tran Dinh Hoanh [mailto:tdhoanh at gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:24 AM
*To:* vnbiz at vietlinks.net
*Subject:* Re: [Vnbiz] Education Reform: Gifts for Teachers

 Dear anh Shane & CACC,

Anh Shane is correct that parents are to be blamed along with the
teachers for the problems in our education system. The problems must be
addressed by both the teachers and the parents.

Indeed, education is a problem for all of us.  We all need to address this
issue. We need to tell  our family members to stay away from wrong conduct
and focus on true quality, integrity and ethics.  We need to write articles
on our newspapers, magazines, Internet forums, personal blogs about it.  We
need to encourage the government to work on it.  The VCP needs to focus on
it.  We can't fool around with education, folks.  If we produce junkies, our
nation will become a nation of junkies.   To be winning, our education has
to be able to produce winners, people with a winning atitude.

Most education problems in our country are really a problem of attitude. We
talk about law and regulation as a method to help improve attitude.  But
they are just that--Help.  The key thing is our own attitude.  And attitude
is a matter of our mind and our heart.  We need to talk about the right
attitude, the right behavior.  We need to set example by acting right
ourselves.  And we need to make sure everyone understand which is right and
which is wrong.  And we need to avoid making excuses to accept wrong
behavior as "acceptable."  We need to permeate our society with right
values, right behavior, right attitude.

Education truly is not just a matter of school.  It is every where.  Let's
focus our heart and mind on it.  Let's concentrate our talks and our actions
on it.

Have a great day!

Hoanh

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On 10/16/06, Shane Wall <shane.wall at translingualexpress.com> wrote:
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>  Dear CACC,
>    As a teacher at one of the most well known schools in HCMC, whose
> children are *ALL* from rich families, it would be very easy to do
> something similar. However, to do so would be a direct (bad) reflection on
> my own lack of moral and social responsibility, to say nothing about
> tarnishing the name and image of this honored and respected profession.
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>    In my classes, from Grades 1 to 5, I have been subtly insisting that
> the best way any student at any level can honor their teacher(s) is to
> respect them by working hard, getting a good understanding of what they
> learn ( *NOT* 'good grades - there is a difference), and helping others
> understand. I tell them that if they do that everyday, then they have no
> reason to give me anything more than a "Happy Teacher's Day" greeting and
> wishes in class, or just a simple card.
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>    For me, the problems stem from parents as much as from 'wayward'
> teachers. If all the parents in a particular class or school were to refuse
> to "pay" for high marks - which are worthless unless they are true - then
> the teachers bluff would be called! No teacher could ever give every student
> a bad mark in their class! If all the students get 2/10, then the teacher is
> not teaching well enough!!!
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>    Sadly, I don't see this issue going away anytime soon. I trust Dr.
> Nhan, the Minister, will make some widespread, maybe even sweeping, changes,
> but while ever the parental mindset is focussed on "Get good grades, even if
> they are ffake! Get good grades, even if they are fake! Get good grades,
> even if they are fake!", then all the problems will still be there.
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>    As far as grading goes, I believe I am held to the truth by my beliefs,
> my personal integrity, my professional ethics and above all, for the future
> good of the child being graded. If a child's parents can "pay" for good
> grades throughout school, even university, then when that child hits the
> "real world" of employment, they will quickly be found wanting and become a
> failure more often than not. Give me an average 5-6/10 child who strives
> their hardest, and I will give you a successful adult!!!
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> Just some thoughts from the teacher's side.
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> Have a learning day!
>  Shane
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> Mr. Shane Wall
> Principal
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> shane.wall at translingualexpress.com
> Mbl: +84 (090) 9484 753
> Tel: +84 (8) 820 9143
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> www.translingualexpress.com <http://www.translingualexpressk.com/>
>  -----Original Message-----
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Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
Attorney of Law
Washington DC
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