[vacets-gen] RE: [Vacets-local-dc] Bush's View on the South Vietnamese

[Tin Le]

Hello Anh Dung,

I am curious as to what do you mean as doing nothing as Senator?  What is 
a Senator's job?  Introduce bills and vote on them?  I believe Government 
records will show that Kerry did a very good job on performing his duty as 
a Senator.

Some Google search shows that one can find voting records on Senate site 
at

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/a_three_sections_with_teasers/votes.htm

What else are you looking for?

How about Bush's record as Texas gov?  He left Texas education system in 
ruin, the state in record debt (and now the US in record deficit). 
Thousands of US citizens and soldiers died, billions in debt (which we and 
our children will have to pay), world opinion of the US sinking by the 
minute...  the list goes on.

And you think Bush's record is better?

My observation is that the majority of old timer Vietnamese are angry at 
Kerry for having fought courageously in Vietnam, then come home and said 
what his heart felt.  Whereas Bush, cowardly hid at home, didn't do 
anything, didn't say anything until recently.  So he "must be the lesser 
evil"....  shudder.

Everything else that is an "issue" brought up by Vietnamese voting for 
Bush is simply an excuse to justify why they hate Kerry.

It would seem that Bush should be the one that Vietnamese should be afraid 
of the most, and dislike the most.  Bush & Cheney represents a corrupted 
government (Haliburton, Oil interest), a disregard for freedom and 
democracy (invasion of privacy in the name of "greater good", does that 
remind you of the communism?), use of force and arms instead of brain and 
diplomacy....  Advocacy of a totalitarian form of government, no longer a 
democracy.  One where government controls and have the power to do 
anything it wants... in the name of "security".  George Orwell 1984 
anyone?

Not so cheers.... :-(

Tin Le
-- 
http://tin.le.org
Tin Le - tin at le.org
Firewall and Security Consulting

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Dr. Viet-Dung Hoang wrote:

> Hi all,
> Allow my 2 cents:
> How can we expect someone who did nothing as a Senator
> (for 20 years, that's 1/3 of his life and 1/2 of his
> working life) to start doing something as a President?
> If Kerry is proud of his record as a Senator, we would
> have heard a lot more during his campaign.
> Viet-Dung
>
>
> --- "Cao, Chanh" <CCao at ciena.com> wrote:
>
>> Bros,
>>
>> I am not so sure that Kerry is the lesser of the
>> two.  Do keep in mind that what Kerry did in the
>> 70's was argueably in the interest of the US -- his
>> country first.
>>
>> About the interview, what does Bush really know
>> about personal sacrifice?  I really do not know why
>> Vnese Americans support Bush in the first place.
>>
>> I don't know what Bush's legacy will be but we have
>> got into a big mess in Iraq and for what?  To prove
>> that we are the biggest bully in the world?  I know
>> some Vnese Americans being blown off in that part of
>> the world right now.  Reports after reports confirm
>> that Iraq had no ties to Al Qadar and 9/11.  The
>> bottom line is are we safer today?
>>
>> Economic conditions at home are no better as we have
>> not seen the end of the layoffs.  I have not met
>> anyone who thinks s/he is better off today than four
>> years ago.  Maybe we are giving too much credit or
>> blame on one person but frankly Bush got to go.
>>
>> Whatever he said in the interview below does not
>> matter in a few weeks because people do not take a
>> lame duck seriously.  Back to the ranch in that hick
>> town he will go.  Bush will get slammed tonight and
>> next week on the debates.
>>
>> Good weekend to all,
>>
>> Bo+`m
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Hai Tran [mailto:hai_v_tran at yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:25 AM
>> To: vacets-local-dc at vacets.org;
>> vacets-gen at vacets.org
>> Subject: Re: [Vacets-local-dc] Bush's View on the
>> South Vietnamese
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Anh Hung,
>>
>> We should remember and tell our friends that more
>> than 245,000 South Vietnamese soldiers died during
>> the war, compared with more than 58,000 Americans
>> and nearly 2 million North Vietnamese soldiers. (Not
>> counting Cambodia and China limited wars in 1978 and
>> 1979.) If you visit North Vietnam towns and cities,
>> you'll notice that there are very few middle aged
>> men, more women and young people. They were sent to
>> die in the south according to their motto: "Born
>> North, Die South."
>>
>> This exchange confirms to me that Bush is merely an
>> idiot with respect to Vietnam issues. Furthermore,
>> he spent his time partying during the time of the
>> Vietnam war. It also shows that O'Reilly, albeit a
>> conservative journalist, is influenced by all the
>> liberal and left-wing propaganda which permeates the
>> American society since the 60s. The leftists
>> propagate this view to justify for their avoiding
>> service in Vietnam, or turning anti-war later.
>>
>> Still, Bush was not actively acting to bury South
>> Vietnam such as adopting the communist peace plan
>> after secretly meeting with their delegations in
>> Paris during the negotiations. He has not turned a
>> blind eye to the oppression and denials of freedoms
>> in Vietnam today. The designation of VN as a Country
>> of Particular Concern in the area of religious
>> freedom is an example.
>>
>> Unfortunately, we have to choose between these
>> lesser of the two evils this time!
>>
>> That's my 2-cents ...
>> Hai
>>
>>
>> Hung Nguyen <hunguyen57 at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> If you note Bush's agreeement with O'Reilly below on
>> the South Vietnamese, what can you say about his
>> view on the Vietnam War? Do you think that he is
>> right in agreeing that the South Vietnamese didn't
>> fight for freedom?
>>
>> Hung
>>
>>
> ------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Transcript: Bush Talks to O'Reilly
>>
>> Tuesday, September 28, 2004
>>
>>   <http://www.foxnews.com/images/foxnews_story.gif>
>>
>> This is a partial transcript from the September 27,
>> 2004 edition of "The O'Reilly Factor," that has been
>> edited for clarity.
>>
>> Watch Part II and III of the interview on Tuesday,
>> September 28 and Wednesday, September 29 at 8 p.m.
>> and 11 p.m. ET! Catch "The O'Reilly Factor"
>> weeknights at 8 p.m. and 11 p.m. ET and listen to
>> the "Radio Factor" weekdays on Westwood One.
>>
>> BILL O'REILLY, HOST: OK.  First of all, I want to
>> thank you for talking with me, since so few people
>> will.
>>
>> (LAUGHTER)
>>
>> GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES :
>> Well, it's a big gamble on my part.
>>
>> O'REILLY:  No, it isn't, not really though.  You, we
>> talked four and a half years ago...
>>
>> BUSH:  I'm teasing.
>>
>> O'REILLY:  Yes, when you...
>>
>> BUSH:  I enjoy how you interview people, and I
>> appreciate you giving me the chance to come on and
>> have, what we say in Texas, "Just a visit."
>>
>> O'REILLY:  Yes.  We're going to have a visit here.
>> I've got 15 questions for you.  If they're dumb,
>> tell me they're dumb, because the audience will like
>> that.
>>
>> (LAUGHTER)
>>
>> If they're dumb questions say, "Look, O'Reilly,
>> that's just dumb."
>>
>> The first one is, according to a poll taken by the
>> Coalition Provisional Authority ( search
>>
> <http://search.foxnews.com/info.foxnws/redirs_all.htm?pgtarg=wbsdogpile&qcat=web&qkw=Coalition%20Provisional%20Authority>
>> ) last spring, only five percent of the Iraqi people
>> see the United States as liberators.  Are you
>> surprised they don't appreciate the American
>> sacrifice more?
>>
>> BUSH:  I think they're beginning to appreciate the
>> sacrifice, because the country is getting better.
>> It's tougher than heck right now, because Zarqawi (
>> search
>>
> <http://search.foxnews.com/info.foxnws/redirs_all.htm?pgtarg=wbsdogpile&qcat=web&qkw=Zarqawi>
>> ) and some of these former Baathists ( search
>>
> <http://search.foxnews.com/info.foxnws/redirs_all.htm?pgtarg=wbsdogpile&qcat=web&qkw=Baathists>
>> ) are killing innocent Iraqis and killing our
>> soldiers in order to try to get us to leave.
>>
>> I also saw a poll where it said, by far, the vast
>> majority of the Iraqis believe the world is getting
>> better.  And that's positive.
>>
>> In other words, people are beginning to see
>> progress.  Electricity is better, schools are
>> opening, hospitals are running.  I think when it's
>> all said and done, the Iraqis are going to look back
>> and say: "Thank God for America."
>>
>> O'REILLY: How long is it going to take before that
>> happens, do you think?
>>
>> BUSH : You know, as soon as possible. Now, I think
>> the elections are going to have, you know, a very
>> positive effect, and they take place in January.
>> Look, the people want to vote.
>>
>> O'REILLY: But can they vote when people are being
>> blown up...
>>
>> BUSH : Yes.
>>
>> O'REILLY:  ... and these guys are threatening them?
>>
>> BUSH:  That's when you're supposed to vote.  You've
>> got to stand tough with these terrorists.  You
>> cannot allow the terrorists to dictate whether or
>> not a society can be free or not.
>>
>> Do you remember what happened in Afghanistan (
>> search
>>
> <http://search.foxnews.com/info.foxnws/redirs_all.htm?pgtarg=wbsdogpile&qcat=web&qkw=Afghanistan>
>> ) when the Taliban ( search
>>
> <http://search.foxnews.com/info.foxnws/redirs_all.htm?pgtarg=wbsdogpile&qcat=web&qkw=Taliban>
>> ) pulled the four women off the bus and killed them
>> because they had voter registration cards? I think
>> there
> === message truncated ===>
> _______________________________________________
>> Vacets-gen mailing list
>> Vacets-gen at vacets.org
>> http://mail.saigon.com/mailman/listinfo/vacets-gen
>>
>
>
> =====
> Dr. Viet-Dung (Jack) Hoang
>
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish.
> http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
> _______________________________________________
> Vacets-gen mailing list
> Vacets-gen at vacets.org
> http://mail.saigon.com/mailman/listinfo/vacets-gen
>