[vacets-gen] Bush's View on theSouthVietnamese

[Tin Le]

Hi anh Luc,

I think we are now getting to the meat of the matter.  Anh Dung was 
generalizing and saying that Kerry did not do his job over some 20 years 
as senator.  I just wanted to know on what did anh Dung based that on.

So you and I agreed that over Kerry's 20 years career, he did perform his 
duties.  Case closed.

On to the matter of changing minds.  I think the Republican did a very 
good job smearing and assassinating Kerry's characters (you gotta admired 
Karl Rove, their master strategist, he plays dirty and he play to win).

If you and I has a discussion and disagree on something.  Over the course 
of the discussion, one of us persuaded the other to change opinion. 
Would you then characterize the one who changed opinion to be a "liar"? 
Or would you say flexible, reasonable, open minded?

Which one would be a fair characterization of the person?

Cheers,
Tin Le
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Tin Le - tin at le.org
Firewall and Security Consulting

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Luc T. Nguyen wrote:

> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:21:15 -0400
> From: Luc T. Nguyen <luc2503 at bellsouth.net>
> Reply-To: Gneral forum for members of VACETS <vacets-gen at vacets.org>
> To: Gneral forum for members of VACETS <vacets-gen at vacets.org>
> Subject: RE: [vacets-gen] Bush's View on theSouthVietnamese
> 
> Hi anh Ti'n,
>
> I looked it up on more recent vote records and found that
> for the year 2003, Kerry skipped most of the votes.
> http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_m
> enu_108_1.htm
> I don't have time to compile a full statistics on his voting
> record for last year, but my informal random check of 12
> bills, I only found one that he voted. May be because he is
> out there campaigning. He was OK as a senator earlier on in
> his career but seems to slack off in more recent years.
>
> His lifetime voting records, shown on his own biography
> http://www.lcv.org/Files/OpenFile.cfm?id=1960 is only for
> issues involving the Environment.
> What was discussed at
> http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=405487 is
> only for his earlier years at the senate.
>
> By the way, I do not think that Kerry is truthfull either.
> When he changes his opinions to the opposite direction then
> at least one of his position is a lie. Or may be both
> positions are lies or may be he has no opinion at all and he
> just say what his advisors told him to say.
>
> I did not say that Bush is better, I think that both are
> equally bad. It just that what kind of poison each one of us
> is willing to take.
>
> Luc T. Nguyen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vacets-gen-bounces at vacets.org
> [mailto:vacets-gen-bounces at vacets.org]On Behalf Of Tin Le
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 2:01 PM
> To: Gneral forum for members of VACETS
> Subject: RE: [vacets-gen] RE: [Vacets-local-dc] Bush's View
> on
> theSouthVietnamese
>
>
> Hello anh Luc,
>
> I was intending for people to do their own legwork :-).  One
> learn more
> that way... but it sounded like you did.  Thanks.
>
> Here are some more web sites that has done the work of
> research on Kerry's
> voting records.
>
> http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=S042110
> 3
>
> Vote-smart site seem to show that Kerry did vote in '88.
>
> http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=405487
>
> It shows that over his career in the Senate, his voting
> record is in the
> 92+ %, pretty good.  There were some discussion about
> getting earlier
> records for 85-88, seem that is not online at the Senate Gov
> web site.
>
> 1985-6:    92% x
> 1987-8:   100% x
> 1989:     100% x 312 = 312
> 1990:     100% x 326 = 326
> 1991:      93% x 280 = 260
> 1992:      92% x 270 = 248
> 1993:     100% x 395 = 395
> 1994:      92% x 329 = 303
> 1995:     100% x 613 = 613
> 1996:     100% x 306 = 306
>
> The above listed the issues for vote and whether Kerry
> voted.
>
> As for Bush, he seem to be more of a devil than Kerry.  So I
> am curious as
> to why people still prefer a known devil [that lied to them]
> to one who
> has shown that he is courageous and honest in expressing his
> heartfelt
> beliefs.
>
> Wouldn't it be a question of truthfulness over falsehood,
> lies and
> deceivers?  Which one is better?
>
> Cheers,
> Tin Le
> --
> http://tin.le.org
> Tin Le - tin at le.org
> Firewall and Security Consulting
>
> On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Luc T. Nguyen wrote:
>
>> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:29:02 -0400
>> From: Luc T. Nguyen <luc2503 at bellsouth.net>
>> Reply-To: Gneral forum for members of VACETS
> <vacets-gen at vacets.org>
>> To: Gneral forum for members of VACETS
> <vacets-gen at vacets.org>
>> Subject: RE: [vacets-gen] RE: [Vacets-local-dc] Bush's
> View on the
>>     SouthVietnamese
>>
>> Hello anh Ti'n,
>>
>> I am one of those undecided.
>>
>> I lookup the website you provided and did not find a
> voting
>> record of Kerry.
>> I did a little search and find a site
>> http://capwiz.com/c-span/dbq/issuesdbq/votesearch.dbq
>> that tells which senator (or congressman) votes for what
>> bill. I cannot find a full statistics but
>> I did a fairly random look up of about a dozen bills. And
> to
>> my surprise, or I should not be,
>> I found that J. Kerry only vote on one of those bills. The
>> rest he is just a "No Vote". I did not
>> check on other senators, may be there are lots of "no
> vote"
>> senators but as you said, the
>> job of the senator is to "introduce bills and vote on
> them".
>> I don't remember any bill by
>> J. Kerry in recent years, and he definitely did not vote
>> much in recent years either. For that
>> I don't think he is "performing his duty as a senator".
>>
>> I don't necessary agree with Bush on how he handle the
>> economy either but, as of right now,
>> I think that a devil we know is better than the one we
>> don't.
>>
>> My mind can still be changed :)
>> Luc T. Nguyen
>>
>
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