[vacets-gen] RE: [Vacets-local-dc] Bush's View on the
SouthVietnamese
Tin Le
tin at le.org
Fri Oct 8 11:00:56 PDT 2004
Hello anh Luc,
I was intending for people to do their own legwork :-). One learn more
that way... but it sounded like you did. Thanks.
Here are some more web sites that has done the work of research on Kerry's
voting records.
http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=S0421103
Vote-smart site seem to show that Kerry did vote in '88.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=405487
It shows that over his career in the Senate, his voting record is in the
92+ %, pretty good. There were some discussion about getting earlier
records for 85-88, seem that is not online at the Senate Gov web site.
1985-6: 92% x
1987-8: 100% x
1989: 100% x 312 = 312
1990: 100% x 326 = 326
1991: 93% x 280 = 260
1992: 92% x 270 = 248
1993: 100% x 395 = 395
1994: 92% x 329 = 303
1995: 100% x 613 = 613
1996: 100% x 306 = 306
The above listed the issues for vote and whether Kerry voted.
As for Bush, he seem to be more of a devil than Kerry. So I am curious as
to why people still prefer a known devil [that lied to them] to one who
has shown that he is courageous and honest in expressing his heartfelt
beliefs.
Wouldn't it be a question of truthfulness over falsehood, lies and
deceivers? Which one is better?
Cheers,
Tin Le
--
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Tin Le - tin at le.org
Firewall and Security Consulting
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Luc T. Nguyen wrote:
> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:29:02 -0400
> From: Luc T. Nguyen <luc2503 at bellsouth.net>
> Reply-To: Gneral forum for members of VACETS <vacets-gen at vacets.org>
> To: Gneral forum for members of VACETS <vacets-gen at vacets.org>
> Subject: RE: [vacets-gen] RE: [Vacets-local-dc] Bush's View on the
> SouthVietnamese
>
> Hello anh Ti'n,
>
> I am one of those undecided.
>
> I lookup the website you provided and did not find a voting
> record of Kerry.
> I did a little search and find a site
> http://capwiz.com/c-span/dbq/issuesdbq/votesearch.dbq
> that tells which senator (or congressman) votes for what
> bill. I cannot find a full statistics but
> I did a fairly random look up of about a dozen bills. And to
> my surprise, or I should not be,
> I found that J. Kerry only vote on one of those bills. The
> rest he is just a "No Vote". I did not
> check on other senators, may be there are lots of "no vote"
> senators but as you said, the
> job of the senator is to "introduce bills and vote on them".
> I don't remember any bill by
> J. Kerry in recent years, and he definitely did not vote
> much in recent years either. For that
> I don't think he is "performing his duty as a senator".
>
> I don't necessary agree with Bush on how he handle the
> economy either but, as of right now,
> I think that a devil we know is better than the one we
> don't.
>
> My mind can still be changed :)
> Luc T. Nguyen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vacets-gen-bounces at vacets.org
> [mailto:vacets-gen-bounces at vacets.org]On Behalf Of Tin Le
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 11:33 AM
> To: Gneral forum for members of VACETS
> Cc: 'Forum for members of VACETS in the DC area';
> vacets-local-dc at vacets.org
> Subject: Re: [vacets-gen] RE: [Vacets-local-dc] Bush's View
> on the
> SouthVietnamese
>
>
> Hello Anh Dung,
>
> I am curious as to what do you mean as doing nothing as
> Senator? What is
> a Senator's job? Introduce bills and vote on them? I
> believe Government
> records will show that Kerry did a very good job on
> performing his duty as
> a Senator.
>
> Some Google search shows that one can find voting records on
> Senate site
> at
>
> http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/a_three_section
> s_with_teasers/votes.htm
>
> What else are you looking for?
>
> How about Bush's record as Texas gov? He left Texas
> education system in
> ruin, the state in record debt (and now the US in record
> deficit).
> Thousands of US citizens and soldiers died, billions in debt
> (which we and
> our children will have to pay), world opinion of the US
> sinking by the
> minute... the list goes on.
>
> And you think Bush's record is better?
>
> My observation is that the majority of old timer Vietnamese
> are angry at
> Kerry for having fought courageously in Vietnam, then come
> home and said
> what his heart felt. Whereas Bush, cowardly hid at home,
> didn't do
> anything, didn't say anything until recently. So he "must
> be the lesser
> evil".... shudder.
>
> Everything else that is an "issue" brought up by Vietnamese
> voting for
> Bush is simply an excuse to justify why they hate Kerry.
>
> It would seem that Bush should be the one that Vietnamese
> should be afraid
> of the most, and dislike the most. Bush & Cheney represents
> a corrupted
> government (Haliburton, Oil interest), a disregard for
> freedom and
> democracy (invasion of privacy in the name of "greater
> good", does that
> remind you of the communism?), use of force and arms instead
> of brain and
> diplomacy.... Advocacy of a totalitarian form of
> government, no longer a
> democracy. One where government controls and have the power
> to do
> anything it wants... in the name of "security". George
> Orwell 1984
> anyone?
>
> Not so cheers.... :-(
>
> Tin Le
> --
> http://tin.le.org
> Tin Le - tin at le.org
> Firewall and Security Consulting
>
> On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Dr. Viet-Dung Hoang wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> Allow my 2 cents:
>> How can we expect someone who did nothing as a Senator
>> (for 20 years, that's 1/3 of his life and 1/2 of his
>> working life) to start doing something as a President?
>> If Kerry is proud of his record as a Senator, we would
>> have heard a lot more during his campaign.
>> Viet-Dung
>>
>>
>> --- "Cao, Chanh" <CCao at ciena.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bros,
>>>
>>> I am not so sure that Kerry is the lesser of the
>>> two. Do keep in mind that what Kerry did in the
>>> 70's was argueably in the interest of the US -- his
>>> country first.
>>>
>>> About the interview, what does Bush really know
>>> about personal sacrifice? I really do not know why
>>> Vnese Americans support Bush in the first place.
>>>
>>> I don't know what Bush's legacy will be but we have
>>> got into a big mess in Iraq and for what? To prove
>>> that we are the biggest bully in the world? I know
>>> some Vnese Americans being blown off in that part of
>>> the world right now. Reports after reports confirm
>>> that Iraq had no ties to Al Qadar and 9/11. The
>>> bottom line is are we safer today?
>>>
>>> Economic conditions at home are no better as we have
>>> not seen the end of the layoffs. I have not met
>>> anyone who thinks s/he is better off today than four
>>> years ago. Maybe we are giving too much credit or
>>> blame on one person but frankly Bush got to go.
>>>
>>> Whatever he said in the interview below does not
>>> matter in a few weeks because people do not take a
>>> lame duck seriously. Back to the ranch in that hick
>>> town he will go. Bush will get slammed tonight and
>>> next week on the debates.
>>>
>>> Good weekend to all,
>>>
>>> Bo+`m
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Hai Tran [mailto:hai_v_tran at yahoo.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:25 AM
>>> To: vacets-local-dc at vacets.org;
>>> vacets-gen at vacets.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Vacets-local-dc] Bush's View on the
>>> South Vietnamese
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Anh Hung,
>>>
>>> We should remember and tell our friends that more
>>> than 245,000 South Vietnamese soldiers died during
>>> the war, compared with more than 58,000 Americans
>>> and nearly 2 million North Vietnamese soldiers. (Not
>>> counting Cambodia and China limited wars in 1978 and
>>> 1979.) If you visit North Vietnam towns and cities,
>>> you'll notice that there are very few middle aged
>>> men, more women and young people. They were sent to
>>> die in the south according to their motto: "Born
>>> North, Die South."
>>>
>>> This exchange confirms to me that Bush is merely an
>>> idiot with respect to Vietnam issues. Furthermore,
>>> he spent his time partying during the time of the
>>> Vietnam war. It also shows that O'Reilly, albeit a
>>> conservative journalist, is influenced by all the
>>> liberal and left-wing propaganda which permeates the
>>> American society since the 60s. The leftists
>>> propagate this view to justify for their avoiding
>>> service in Vietnam, or turning anti-war later.
>>>
>>> Still, Bush was not actively acting to bury South
>>> Vietnam such as adopting the communist peace plan
>>> after secretly meeting with their delegations in
>>> Paris during the negotiations. He has not turned a
>>> blind eye to the oppression and denials of freedoms
>>> in Vietnam today. The designation of VN as a Country
>>> of Particular Concern in the area of religious
>>> freedom is an example.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, we have to choose between these
>>> lesser of the two evils this time!
>>>
>>> That's my 2-cents ...
>>> Hai
>>>
>>>
>>> Hung Nguyen <hunguyen57 at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> If you note Bush's agreeement with O'Reilly below on
>>> the South Vietnamese, what can you say about his
>>> view on the Vietnam War? Do you think that he is
>>> right in agreeing that the South Vietnamese didn't
>>> fight for freedom?
>>>
>>> Hung
>>>
>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> Transcript: Bush Talks to O'Reilly
>>>
>>> Tuesday, September 28, 2004
>>>
>>> <http://www.foxnews.com/images/foxnews_story.gif>
>>>
>>> This is a partial transcript from the September 27,
>>> 2004 edition of "The O'Reilly Factor," that has been
>>> edited for clarity.
>>>
>>> Watch Part II and III of the interview on Tuesday,
>>> September 28 and Wednesday, September 29 at 8 p.m.
>>> and 11 p.m. ET! Catch "The O'Reilly Factor"
>>> weeknights at 8 p.m. and 11 p.m. ET and listen to
>>> the "Radio Factor" weekdays on Westwood One.
>>>
>>> BILL O'REILLY, HOST: OK. First of all, I want to
>>> thank you for talking with me, since so few people
>>> will.
>>>
>>> (LAUGHTER)
>>>
>>> GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES :
>>> Well, it's a big gamble on my part.
>>>
>>> O'REILLY: No, it isn't, not really though. You, we
>>> talked four and a half years ago...
>>>
>>> BUSH: I'm teasing.
>>>
>>> O'REILLY: Yes, when you...
>>>
>>> BUSH: I enjoy how you interview people, and I
>>> appreciate you giving me the chance to come on and
>>> have, what we say in Texas, "Just a visit."
>>>
>>> O'REILLY: Yes. We're going to have a visit here.
>>> I've got 15 questions for you. If they're dumb,
>>> tell me they're dumb, because the audience will like
>>> that.
>>>
>>> (LAUGHTER)
>>>
>>> If they're dumb questions say, "Look, O'Reilly,
>>> that's just dumb."
>>>
>>> The first one is, according to a poll taken by the
>>> Coalition Provisional Authority ( search
>>>
>>
> <http://search.foxnews.com/info.foxnws/redirs_all.htm?pgtarg
> =wbsdogpile&qcat=web&qkw=Coalition%20Provisional%20Authority
>>
>>> ) last spring, only five percent of the Iraqi people
>>> see the United States as liberators. Are you
>>> surprised they don't appreciate the American
>>> sacrifice more?
>>>
>>> BUSH: I think they're beginning to appreciate the
>>> sacrifice, because the country is getting better.
>>> It's tougher than heck right now, because Zarqawi (
>>> search
>>>
>>
> <http://search.foxnews.com/info.foxnws/redirs_all.htm?pgtarg
> =wbsdogpile&qcat=web&qkw=Zarqawi>
>>> ) and some of these former Baathists ( search
>>>
>>
> <http://search.foxnews.com/info.foxnws/redirs_all.htm?pgtarg
> =wbsdogpile&qcat=web&qkw=Baathists>
>>> ) are killing innocent Iraqis and killing our
>>> soldiers in order to try to get us to leave.
>>>
>>> I also saw a poll where it said, by far, the vast
>>> majority of the Iraqis believe the world is getting
>>> better. And that's positive.
>>>
>>> In other words, people are beginning to see
>>> progress. Electricity is better, schools are
>>> opening, hospitals are running. I think when it's
>>> all said and done, the Iraqis are going to look back
>>> and say: "Thank God for America."
>>>
>>> O'REILLY: How long is it going to take before that
>>> happens, do you think?
>>>
>>> BUSH : You know, as soon as possible. Now, I think
>>> the elections are going to have, you know, a very
>>> positive effect, and they take place in January.
>>> Look, the people want to vote.
>>>
>>> O'REILLY: But can they vote when people are being
>>> blown up...
>>>
>>> BUSH : Yes.
>>>
>>> O'REILLY: ... and these guys are threatening them?
>>>
>>> BUSH: That's when you're supposed to vote. You've
>>> got to stand tough with these terrorists. You
>>> cannot allow the terrorists to dictate whether or
>>> not a society can be free or not.
>>>
>>> Do you remember what happened in Afghanistan (
>>> search
>>>
>>
> <http://search.foxnews.com/info.foxnws/redirs_all.htm?pgtarg
> =wbsdogpile&qcat=web&qkw=Afghanistan>
>>> ) when the Taliban ( search
>>>
>>
> <http://search.foxnews.com/info.foxnws/redirs_all.htm?pgtarg
> =wbsdogpile&qcat=web&qkw=Taliban>
>>> ) pulled the four women off the bus and killed them
>>> because they had voter registration cards? I think
>>> there
>> === message truncated ===>
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>>
>> =====
>> Dr. Viet-Dung (Jack) Hoang
>>
>>
>>
>>
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